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I don't do the P2P thing for various reasons (old box, slow connection, tiny hdd, etc) or I would post the links myself.

With that said I'm not saying avoid moores films, I liked "roger and me" for instance, just to give a real politically neutral and independent guy a chance if this 911 deal is a subject you are interested in, or any other aspects of the creeping big brother society. That's all he deals with.. All he wants is truth to get out, and that's it. In my opinion it's a powerful film, decent enough to watch.

Man... I'm trying to remember... the one about the meeting place in California where all the top world politicians go... oh yes... the Bohemian Grove

Although mainly propagated (sp?) by Alex Jones, who is somewhat of a nut, the hidden video he got of it is very interesting, to say the least.

I mean... on one hand, you have these Pagan type rituals being performed at night, on the other hand you have picutres of Bush Jr./Sr., Cheney, major Dems and Reps., and many other world leaders and major political/business heads there during the day.

This site has the MP3s from the show when Alex Jones was on. It was very interesting to say the least.

Some more info: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Grove.htm

This is a nightmare. Do you want to have tickets mailed to you every time you cross a yellow line, go over the speed limit or go through a yellow/red light? The police state is forming and we need to be aware and say no. They are going to use this to track where everybody is and eventually apply use taxes, including "global" ones. Let's all consider the final destination of systems like this. Link Proof

This is a nightmare. Do you want to have tickets mailed to you every time you cross a yellow line, go over the speed limit or go through a yellow/red light? The police state is forming and we need to be aware and say no. They are going to use this to track where everybody is and eventually apply use taxes, including "global" ones. Let's all consider the final destination of systems like this. Link Proof

Not to mention that most of Fahrenheit 9/11 is shamelessly ripped off from Alex Jones' 2002 documentary 9/11: The Road to Tyranny. Frankly, Michael Moore is the biggest fraud I've ever seen. Why do people worship this cretin? He's the biggest threat to Democrats since Ralph Nader.

He has a lot of nice videos out, and he lets folks copy them free for giving away purposes, so I imagine they might be on some of the P2P networks, if you got broadband and an interst in looking for them. I am not setup for that so I never looked. If you go to his main page you can find the link to the titles. I have "9-11, road to tyranny" here on VHS, it's quite good, I heard that the DVD version is better and longer. He has some other stuff at prisonplanet.tv, for cheap download "officially". Basically he's trying to cover bandwith and his other expenses as far as he has said on his talk show.

My pet theory is it is basically the same guys and their progeny and advocates who whacked kennedy, keep getting us into wars, stick dictators in, smuggle drugs using US assets, etc. Same guys or their handlers. Eisenhower in his address to the nation on retiring as president warned us about them,the goons in the military/industrial complex, the "profits at any cost" crowd as I like to think of them, it is QUITE chilling taken in the context of when he said it and what he was privy to, being both the allied supreme comander of ww2 and also US prez. He wouldn't have said that unless he had a good reason to do so.

Gets complex, I've been a real enthusiast of this stuff since way back when, I know enough to know I don't have all the answers, but I DO know they rarely tell the truth on anything important, so I always look for the angles whenever something weird goes down. 9-11 qualifies as weird, in spades. Kennedy getting whacked got me going (I was a young teen then but it was obvious to me it wasn't just oswald, especially after ruby whacked him), then I had an uncle who was a spook,he told me stuff I know he wasn't supposed to, but he was an honest guy & a patriot, didn't like some of what he was seeing. He still thought all in all what he was doing was "right" (cold war years basically), but he knew some wasn't, and that a lot of it got lied about and the people manipulated into believing it, media propoganda is old "news" to those guys...

He's gone now so I can reference it, I kept my mouth shut while he was still alive in deference to his wishes. but since then,it's been a major interest and I have followed through with just dozens of sources, a lot of them very well connected, plus what I can research on my own,and it all boils down and all points (more or less) to basically a shadow government, out to ownz and control the whole shebang as much as possible.

A victim's widow's website, seeking 9-11 answers

A prior knowledge database and archive

David Schippers, impeachment prosecutor and ex mafia buster/ prosecutor, tries to get Ashcroft's attention to warn of pending imminent attack, gets ignored

Priot knowledge of impending attacks transmitted to US government by other governments, including by Putin: Financial ireregularities in airline stocks up to that day: other indications of government priot knowledge

LetsRoll911 extensive 911 archive and links section, along with logs showing who is interested in the site, worth a look

Fed agents ordered to NOT investigate terrorist ties once they get close to saudi arabi and bush family

More:FBI agent whistleblower tells he was blocked by "orders" from following terrorist money trail

Infowars.com 9-11 archive, the grand daddy of them all

There's lots more, LOTS more,any search engine out there is slap fulla links to news articles and views and dataon this subject. The above is just a small sample of the real info out there and the interest. I can guarantee you neither I, nor all these other people are going to "shut up" over this reichstagg-fire coup d'etat that took place.

But,thanks for the opportunity to reply! And it doesn't bother me a whit to be called names, or be disagreed with! After you have been beat, gassed, threatened with death, been lied about in court, had evidence planted, and various things like that...plus getting to know quite a few insiders in the system who are willing to talk off the record and clue you in to some *quite interesting things*, people who are honest people and true patriots... well ..anything someone on the net can say to you is sorta silly in the way of "hurt", as in "neener neener". It just won't work, but thanks for playing! Everyday, people all over the net are reading similar posts, and going to look for data for themselves. That's how it should be, take a gander at the evidence, see what ya think, it's the american way and stuff. And someone is going to read this, maybe not reply, but go look for themselves, and get hip. It's a good thing.

Anyone find this funny? This page is gone But this one isn't :P The greatness of the way-back machine but due to the power of the great way-back machine ITS BAAAACCCK!

Check out this piece of work on Alex Jones' website.

Under the pretense of preparing for Y2K, the federal government has provided us with a solution for a problem that has not yet come: broader powers and more centralized control. In the name of taking care of us, all our freedoms are being taken away while a huge dictatorial machine is gearing up to control and smash all opposition. Everything that the Global Elite claim they are wanting to do is the exact opposite of what they are actually doing.

FEMA boxes in every radio and television station in the land allow Washington to take control of all of the media in the entire country with the flip of a single switch. The individual broadcasting stations cannot bypass the FEMA equipment; the best they can do is to just shut off the transmitter and stop broadcasting completely. The FEMA boxes effectively turn the tens of thousands of individual broadcast stations into a single government propaganda channel. When activated, there will be only one version of the news: the government version.

Way to go for the journalistic credibilty, Malda! Stay on top of these great sources.

Now, you should go look at Alex Jones' apparent infiltration of Bohemian Grove, an annual meeting of powerful people -- now that's intriguing.

Alex Jones, a documentary film maker and owner of INFOWARS.COM has quite an archive of situations such as this in what he refers to as the rise of a military police state in America. The common theme that is relative to this article is the notion of being presumed guilty until proven innocent. Citizens are being treated like potential-terrorists, forced to show papers, and subjected to tyranny for resisting.

Coincidentally there is an excellent dashboard-cam video of a woman in Texas being abused in this very manner. She knew her rights and they arrested her for abstructing justice and assault on a police officer. A jury acquitted her of all charges.

He has published several films available for purchase, and he gives permission to distribute them at no cost, so you can find most of the films on the P2P networks. Police State 2000, Police State II: The Takeover, Police State III: Total Enslavement

Other relevant sites include PRISON PLANET and PROPAGANDA MATRIX. All of these sites have a raw Drudge Report kind of feel to it and are more of a collection of news stories gathered from around the globe that illustrate their concerns.

Absolutely relevant comment on BSD architecture, but somewhat irrelevant on the WTC side :P In fact "they" have already admitted that WTC 7 was in fact blown up. We have just to wait on 1 and 2.

To be on the safe side with offtopic moderators, I want to stress that when upgrading to 5.2 via make world, one should be sure to build and install kernel _before_ building and installing world. And yes, 5.2 is extremely stable.
The desktop side is as always second priority, Most people still use FreeBSD as a server platform, and those who already master it can always use it for dekstop also.

Hey, Saddam called some of later missile strikes "Operation Monica", not me. Though now that you mention it, I don't know why the news article called it Desert Fox, which it couldn't have been. My point is its hypocritical to say Bush is doing this as a PR campaign, or to deflect attention, when basically the same thing happened with Clinton and his many cruise missiles. I personally tend to give them both the benefit of the doubt. But this is Slashdot, so we should only give one the benefit of the doubt and the earlier one must have been good because we only have 2 year memories. I'm sorry you lost your buddy in Iraq; My family has lost relatives in every war from WW1 to Vietnam; We've been lucky since then.

Who launched a half-assed attack against Al Qaeda? Can you find a reference to "Al Qaeda" that exists before 9/11/01? Not likely. This is all made up bullshit.

Here you go, that took about 10 seconds. I guess you're technically right since it was only called "bin Laden's network of terrorist groups", not "Al Qaeda" then. Of course, 1998 was such a long time ago, and those cruise missiles were just a friendly gesture. Here's an interview where OBL himself mentions the attack. Half-assed is demonstrated in these two articles, however the latter one is written after 9/11 and it isn't fully fair, since hindsight is 20/20. But we could have done better, that's for sure. Here's another referenencing the attack. Calling it all "made up bullshit" sure sounds good, but its hard to rebut the facts of history. Do I think Clinton's scandal caused the 75 cruise missile attack? No, but the timing sure seems bad. Now tell me again why Bush is doing this all as a big PR campaign? Seems like "No War" would have been a hell of a lot more popular with the voters around here.

as a result of the previous Bush's actions

We made a mistake in 1991, but again hindsight is perfect. We're finishing it now; the sanctions and cruise missiles were just putting it off. Responsibility for OBL and Al Qaeda rest soley with Clinton and later GWB. Sure, the original Gulf War fanned the flames a lot, but that was a UN war, and our options were limited since the UN only knows limited/partial war, and all the limited/partial results that brings (see Korea). So who's your favorite leader? More likely than not they either (1) fought a war in which Americans died, or (2) ignored a security threat so that his successor had to fight the war instead. Don't even say JFK was your favorite... you'll have a lot more bodies to count.

You are not alone

They need to charge high taxes to pay for the social programs like welfare, to support Israel, and to confiscate your guns. You understand this I'm sure. It's for your own good. If you disagree with the taxes then you're a kook like Alex Jones or Michael Ruppert who spew so much filth that they should be put in prison for it.

The government is here to help you folks. Time to grow up and realize this.

Ethical problems do not concern these guys. See here and here.

Mr. Hard Ass anti-communist has spoken.

Then this would be a site you would love:
iNfOwArS

But then again, since you are iliterate (the main clue is that you don't know what the word Communism means) it will likely not be comprehendible to you.

I encourage you to also check out InfoWars as well as Prison Planet, or any number of related sites. Most of these things that come up in YRO segments here on slashdot have been predicted or commented on weeks or months in advance by these folks.

A healthy dose of paranoia or cold hard facts, you be the judge. But at any rate, they do their best to avoid speculation and point directly to the house & senate bills and underscore text of scary things like the Patriot Act. Much like Slashdot they are always linking to supporting stories from AP, Reuters, Washington post, etc.

But in the words of Reading Rainbow's beloved host LeVar Burton: "You don't have to take my word for it."

*Dons his Ring of Protection from Flame and wields the Troll Cleaver*

Take this 9-11 link, from 9-11 victims survivors, THEIR questions. Now, here's the challenge, YOU answer their questions adequately, I'll be the first one to say I'm wrong on the conclusions I came up with based on the sum total of the unanswered questions and the government response to date.. All I need is data. Data. I can change my mind,I've done it in the past on various issues, it doesn't bother me at all, just show me the beef. These folks want answers, where are they? You think you can help them, then go for it. Remember, none of these are my questions, I'm just a messenger, they are THEIR questions.

Now, look on the list, number 1 question,SEC section, start with the airline stocks puts, the ones from the brokerage run by a CIA manager. Answer that question first, who-names of the customers- put in those puts? Who profited from prior knowledge? That's a nice smoking gun place to start at. The government obviously has the data,or can get it quickly, kinda funny they won't release it, doncha think? Sorta suspicious such an aberration in the market, directly before the attacks. There's over 50 questions there, go for it, help those victimsms out, you have all the answers, right? And by the way, these aren't ALL the unanswered questions, I can easily find a lot more on some other sites, but this should be enough for you to start with, a lot of these are the easier ones. Should be a piece of cake for you, right? Not being on "meds" and all, you should be able to do it, probably within 5 minutes or so, tops. Let's see it.

Now my favorite pet question,out of many, and I've listened to him twice live and read the transcripts twice, answer why someone with the credentials of a David Schippers, hardly a nobody or any sort of anti-bush liberal or conspiracy theorist, who had details and a warning of an imminent attack,and the ties way back to shrubs dad and when he let in a lot of republican guard from Iraq around OKC (surprise) which happened like he outlined, was refused any contact with Ashcroft, despite repeated tries? Why was he dodged? Answer that and those other questions, adequately,provide proof, or very good empirical evidence in support, and I'll copy & post your reply around the internet,I'll say case solved, give you all the attaboys I can,admit I was wrong, heck, I can probably get you on a few radio shows if you can do that. Probably at least 5 shows I can think of right off the bat, and from there, even more. The victims will put you in for the peace prize maybe, who knows, you might have book offers, you'll certainly be praised all around if you can do it. Give it your best shot. Put it up, let's see what ya got. Good luck.

These guys have been on talking about this (and similar stuff) for at least the past 3 years.

Inforwars, archive

Joe government is a liar and bungler and a crook. Everything these guys especially target and declare a "war" on just wastes money, gets corrupt, and doesn't fix any problems, and usually creates more problems. "War on poverty", "war on drugs". Well, we got as much poverty as we ever had, and the "war on some drugs" is a total failure, costs mega billions, put huge numbers of people in prison, and there's more drugs and corruption and crime then when nixon started it way back when. It's a scam. Mena arkansas ring a bell? Government planes, cash, tons of snow being imported by people getting a government check, plus the cash they make on the side??? Ollie north, george bush senior, bill clinton, iran/contra? Money laundering, BCCI bank, high level named fatcats involved? Ever hear of those things? And now they announce this open ended hundred years vague war on "terror". uh huh. By the way, latest figures, what a coincidence, since the US took over ashcanistan in round one of "war on terror" it went from a low of 80 something tons of opium when the taliban agreed to eliminate it, (estimated produced) to now it's at all time record levels, maybe up to 4,000 tons, with the US being "in control". No, I don't like the taliban, but the other is true, too. They agreed to eliminate it, and did, close to all of it.

Surprised hell out of some spooks and government and banking fatcats who were making truckloads of cash off of it. Losing 100 to 200 billion a year black market cash sure seemed to upset somebody.

Maybe this government got some of the people conned, but other people, it doesn't.

Yes, they may be true, but aliminum does not naturally exhist in a pure form, anywhere. So the forms you digest never make it past the blood brain barrier.

But, aliminum that is ingested from the various aluminum utensils and other various products that use aluminum in forms that are not found in nature have been proven and tested to actually enter brain cells where naturally this would never ever occur.

The amazing thing about this is that I personally know a nurse that is as convinced as you are that aluminum has nothing to do with alzheimers. Why? Because they send all the nurses (I am guessing everywhere in the US) to training seminars frequently, and guess what they are told? Aluminum has nothing to do with alzheimers. Their proof? (laugh) Pharmacutical companies did their own testing, and there's no link.

Yes, it is that blatant. Pharmacutical companies pay for nurses to be brainwashed on a consistent basis. This nurse did not do any research herself in the matter, just trusting what they were told.

Oh, and of course pharmacutical companies never lie for their own benefit...

Your "closer scrutiny" research was funded by Reynolds btw... A completely unbiased company I am sure.

They can be heard from billions of miles away,

We aren't talking about communication transmissions here, the topic is "power" transmission, a hugely different use of microwaves...

Mercury isn't all that toxic.

You really think that? Here's some quite reliable sources that say the complete opposite.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts46.html

How does mercury affect children?

Very young children are more sensitive to mercury than adults. Mercury in the mothers body passes to the fetus and may accumulate there. It can also can pass to a nursing infant through breast milk. However, the benefits of breast feeding may be greater than the possible adverse effects of mercury in breast milk.

Mercurys harmful effects that may be passed from the mother to the fetus include brain damage, mental retardation, incoordination, blindness, seizures, and inability to speak. Children poisoned by mercury may develop problems of their nervous and digestive systems, and kidney damage.

Dental concerns, bans on mercury, etc...
Brain and nerve damage from mercury and other metals

Now, take the statement that even the government says mercury is bad for you in any form combined with the data of the toxic levels in mercury being injected into tiny baby. With the little knowledge that a tiny amount of mercury getting through the vast array of filter systems in a mothers body even across the placenta, and _still_ cause brain damage. You really still think that these lawsuits are frivilous?

I don't even need a team of scientists to prove mercury in any form causes brain damage, the government already knows this. From the above site "The nervous system is very sensitive to all forms of mercury."

Actually, it's been shown that you are more likely to get sick from a shot than not get sick. Doesn't make any sense to me to get the shots... Numerous children have been permantely brain damaged and/or died from childhood shots, not just infant shots. You might as well be playing Russian Roulette with your child...

salem witch hunts

I don't know anything about it, otherthan some people were killed because they thought there was witches, that weren't... not unlike the McCarthy era, or are modern day terrorist witch hunts.

The Nazi's? You should look closer at history, Nazi Germany is being repeated in type right here in America. Some evidence; euthanasia being supported, high levels of ant

Because the government doesn't to want extend you peasants' lives; they only want to extend theirs.

The plan is reduce the population by 80% so that the elite can have their life-extention technology to themselves and rule over a more managable and sustainable populace.

Terrorism is a never ending war.
It is designed that way.
Do some research, who benefited from 9/11?
Look ..
here
here

Do a search on 9/11 psyop.
THINK for a minute before you wave the flag.
Hitler burned the reichstag, nero burned rome the same tricks keep working.

This is very important because it catches the Justice Department in a bald-faced lie. The Justice Department claimed that the secret legislation brought into the House was only for study, and that at this time there was no intention to try and pass it. Now upon reading S. 22, it is clear that the leadership of the Senate is fully aware of the Patriot Act II, and have passed these riders out of their committees into the full bill. I spent two hours scanning through S. 22 and, let me tell you, it is a nightmare for anyone who loves liberty. It even contains the Our Lady of Peace Act that registers all gun owners. It bans the private sale of all firearms, creates a Federal ballistics database, and much more.

Here

I tried to submit this as a story to /. but it never made it.. Keep up the lego stories while the police state forms..

Yeah folks when a techno turd gets nabed /. pays attention.

This county is turning into a freak show.

For some unpleasant truths see..

Here,
Here,
Here,
Here,

For the solution go Here,

www.takebackthemedia.com
www.gnn.tv
www.pbs.org/now/
disinfo.com
www.truthout.org
www.propagandamatrix.com
www.indymedia.org
www.rense.com
www.infowars.com

Alex Jones, the guy who runs infowars.com, is one of the tin-foil hat crowd. He honestly believes that black helicopters are flying all over Austin, Texas and following him around. He believes that Bush and the others who run the government belong to a cult that worships an ancient god and sacrifices babies. He proclaimed that Y2K was going to be the end of the world and immediately shut up about it when nothing happened. He sees conspiracies in everything. He even believed that the United Nations was behind the speed bumps placed in a South Austin neighborhood as a way to eventually make everyone stop using cars. He is the result of having too much access to information without the framework or education to interpret it realistically.

Alex Jones, the guy who runs infowars.com, is one of the tin-foil hat crowd. He honestly believes that black helicopters are flying all over Austin, Texas and following him around. He believes that Bush and the others who run the government belong to a cult that worships an ancient god and sacrifices babies. He proclaimed that Y2K was going to be the end of the world and immediately shut up about it when nothing happened. He sees conspiracies in everything. He even believed that the United Nations was behind the speed bumps placed in a South Austin neighborhood as a way to eventually make everyone stop using cars. He is the result of having too much access to information without the framework or education to interpret it realistically.

Alex Jones, the guy who runs infowars.com, is one of the tin-foil hat crowd. He honestly believes that black helicopters are flying all over Austin, Texas and following him around. He believes that Bush and the others who run the government belong to a cult that worships an ancient god and sacrifices babies. He proclaimed that Y2K was going to be the end of the world and immediately shut up about it when nothing happened. He sees conspiracies in everything. He even believed that the United Nations was behind the speed bumps placed in a South Austin neighborhood as a way to eventually make everyone stop using cars. He is the result of having too much access to information without the framework or education to interpret it realistically.

Get ready for the Police state

Quit calling it a bong! Its a taboco water pipe! I you trying to get this site shut down! :-)

Welcome to the police state!

INFOWARS.COM

and for mp3 stream of the live radio show

In WinAmp http://sce.msktalk.com:8010

You will not f'ng believe it. You won't.

It's pretty good and gets into some detail. He has some other videos as well, and a good mon-fri daily radio show. Also check on the site the link to the 9-11, government prior knowledge collection of articles.

I have a different take on it. I think this event was allowed to happen, on purpose, for precisely the "bad" political agenda you can imagine. The most common analogy used for this is 9-11 was a "reichstagg fire" event.

Relevant link here, government prior knowledge

Just some of the biggees are high level people warned not to fly prior to 9-11, air force non-standard emergency measures in regards to hijacking information, stock market airlines stock short selling immediately prior to 9-11 by brokerages connected to the cia, high level officials ordering lower level to cease investigations, the bin laden family jet being allowed to leave the country when every single other private airplane was ordered grounded, thousands of "taliban" officials and fighters flown out of afghanistan on US military jets during a "time out" period in the war over there, and etc. Check out the link (anyone), there's many hours worth of reading there.

I'd invite anyone to visit Infowars.com. Great collated articles archive and the videos there are great as well. I have a copy of 9-11 Road to Tyranny-just outstanding! It WILL wake people up to what's going on. And here's the cool part, the producer-Alex Jones, AUTHORIZES you to feel free, make VCR tape or VCD disk copies and give them away! There are some teaser downloadable video clips for a lot of his videos on the site, and a bit more looking will take you to the entire video.

Another link, Genesis Communications , check them out for IMPORTANT freedom oriented internet radio and check for local affiliates for over the air broadcasts, and satellite and shortwave schedules.

DON'T GET STUCK IN THE RIGHT-LEFT PARADIGM. The problem is that these laws are one more step by the globalists (Clinton, Bush, Ted Turner, Alan Greenspan, David Rockafeller, and the list just goes on and on and on) for further control over us... We've already seen the Bill of Rights pretty much desecreated and this is just icing on the cake.

InfoWars.com

Not good to have people learning about stuff. Expect similar things in the US. All governments are deeply interested in having a hand in what their people think about. The internet is making that a difficult task.

This is the sort of thing you probably aren't seeing in the mainstream press.

These suits are becoming popular with police forces. Have something you don't like about the government and want to hold a peaceful protest? Kinda makes you think twice. Which is the desired effect of the scary looking suits. This is the United States in 2002. Really.

This is being compared to Bush's alleged prior knowledge, which is well documented here by a rather odd but passionate fellow who has collected much evidence on the matter.

The link is here. However, I doubt anyone will read this, as my karma is so bad it's below anyone's normal threshold.

Who said anythign about the Pentagon? I'm talking about global government.

Here's your link

I saw it on the infowars program here.
Infowars.com

Hm. Yes.

To be very precise: After looking at the available information, much of which conflicts or is filled with peculiar elements which do not mesh with the official story, it seems evident that numerous parties other than the terrorist body may have been aware before hand what was going to happen, did nothing to prevent it, and may in fact have been assisting in its development.

By whom was 9/11 manufactured?

Not easy to answer in a word, however.

The party/ies, assuming they exist, were either able to:

*Quash FBI investigative efforts which would have prevented the disaster.
see interview with David Shippers, the attorney who headed the Clinton impeachment trials, now representing FBI officers who charge that they were regularly prohibited or coerced into withholding their discoveries of the terrorist activities long before, not just the 9/11 attack, but Oklahoma and others.

*Affect the airline check-in systems so that none of the alleged hijackers names appeared on the passenger lists.
See Perplexing puzzle (I linked to this one already in the post above. I assume you have read through it?)

*Affect the major news outlets by removing seasoned staffers to replace them with young and untested journalists all throughout 2001, with many cuts right around 9/11. CNN launched it's new 'look' and staff structure only days prior to the 9/11.
Link 1, Link 2, Link 3

(This is just a brief sampling of pages I looked for just now. I seem to have lost my links which contained a list of CNN staffers fired just prior to 9/11. Can't find it on-line anymore. Annoying. In any case, this last might have been coincidence, but it was very convenient that the American news structure was reduced in brain-size right when it was most critical that good journalists be around to question the weak points of this story. The powers involved, if they were opperating from such high levels, would certainly have been both able to affect such changes and would have been foolish not to. But, of course, that's just speculation.)

There are numerous other aspects of this which are not quickly summed up and require more detailed searching, and indeed, the above links were only selected for their simplicity in demonstrating what I'm talking about; there is much more information for those willing to look. Other aspects include:

*The possibility of remote piloting. (Although, while there are three specific points which indicate a strong possibility of this, including private documents recovered from the terrorists written the day prior to the event wherein they described their willingness to serve jail sentences for the crimes they intended to commit the next day, (ie, they didn't realize they were on a suicide mission), and other crash investigations (AirIndia) the black box voice recordings from which indicated a strong possibility that control of the plane was removed from the pilots and directed into the ocean against their will, (ie, demonstrating that such a thing may be possible), and the 100% perfect paths of descent and vectoring, with zero corrections made, that the planes used to make their impacts into the towers; calculated only once from the first moment the planes changed course, (i.e. suggesting that the human pilots were not involved. In any case, I think these particular arguments, while in themselves are interesting, do not necessarily indicate remote piloting.)
*The numerous links between Bin Laden, Bush and the CIA.
*The various reports of warnings hours before and 'lucky' absentees
*The numerous strange questions surrounding the rented car and Arabic flight manuals.

The list goes on.

Anyway, that should clarify what I meant by, "Manufactured."

Hope this helps.

-Fantastic Lad

For more information, visit www.infowars.com. They've got the inside scoop.

Yeah shitdot you will report on this one huh!

Well, the constitution is being destroyed by lots of other idiot laws you refuse to report on.

Tell the hippies to go here and use the form to e-mail, fax and write letters to their "representatives".

Tell the little lego playing kiddies to go here to learn about what is going on.

Don't get involved, don't vote Libertarian, just play with your legos and enjoy the prison your apathy has bought.

Absolutely.

and..

Yeah, because nobody wants to get involved.

Because shitdot refuses to push the teen hippies in a direction other than towards the legos.

Becuase nobody will go here to learn the truth.

They won't even go here where they can fax, e-mail and write letters to their "reprsentatives".

Enjoy the prison your appathy has bought.

Yeah, because nobody wants to get involved.

Because shitdot refuses to push the teen hippies in a direction other than towards the legos.

Becuase nobody will go here to learn the truth.

They won't even go here where they can fax, e-mail and write letters to their "reprsentatives".

Enjoy the prison your apathy has bought.

Like most Europeans I have a (mandatory) national - in my case German - I.D., and up to this point I do not feel spied on or deprived of any kind of liberty.
In the U.S., the attitude towards a national I.D. seems to range from scepticism to demonization to outright paranoia.
This is an honest question, not trying to make anyone angry: What's the big deal? How does a national ID infringe on liberties?

Alex

P.S.: If you would like to tell me that Europe is already under the control of Martians/Illuminati/New World Order/Jews/Bilderbergs etc.: Please don't. In that case, I would like to stay ignorant and cheerful ;)

This site has many nifty links.

One must ask themself, Is our government sponsering terrorism and what things they stand to gain, we stand to lose?

Governments around the world are groping to maintain their powers, democracies and communists states alike, they'll kill as many of us as it takes, until they get what they want.

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