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Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

Evolution might be a nice example but that's the only example (maybe Gnumeric too). We are talking about real live applications for companies, industry and science and there is the biggest gap within GNOME. Only KDE is filling here.

KTurtle for Logo stuff.
Quanta Plus for Web development.
QTIPlot for plotting stuff.
Chemical equitation for Chemical courses at school and university.
NeuroScope for neurogic things e.g. in hospitals etc.
Klustersfor neurological stuff also for hospitals etc.
KMobileToolsfor cellphones.
Quantum GIS for Geographical stuff.
Umbrello for UML, Klass diagramms etc.

and many more applications like KDevelop, KOffice and so on. There are countless of usable and needed tools for KDE if you look on kde-apps.org a lot of the stuff available on KDE (with impressing quality) is absolutely missing on GNOME. So why should I use a Desktop Environment that lacks true usable applications while I can find everything on KDE ? GNOME is nice but needs years to solve all it's architectual issues and then offer programs with rapid development and maintainance.

That's SWEET! God, I haven't used that word in a while. If you read this message, check out QBrew!

It would come with beer brewing software...

And if it doesn't, you can still get it here...

Free Beer! That's beer that's free as pretzels and open as speech. I'm talking about the Free and Open Source QBrew Homebrew Recipe Calculator.

[Hey, it's shameless self-promotion, but beer related stories don't appear on Slashdot that often]

You don't even need to know how to brew, because it comes with a brewing primer. To be honest, while the software is free as in pretzels, brewing ingredients might set you back twenty bucks for a two case batch, but that twenty buck is worth it. Now go and make some "Beer Found to be as Healthy as Wine".

[Now I'm starting to feel ashamed about this shameless self-promotion, better wrap up quick]

It's even free for Windows and Mac (but is much cooler under a Free and Open system like Linux or BSD). A new release is due within the month, but why wait? Build now and avoid the rush...

That's just MagicLinux Control panel from kde-apps.org.
Yoper didn't "steal" any icons from anyone. You should be having that discussion with the author of the app.

That's just MagicLinux Control panel from kde-apps.org.
Yoper didn't "steal" any icons from anyone. You should be having that discussion with the author of the app.

Skippy, desktop-neutral
Expocity, for GNOME (more accurately, Metacity)
Komposé, for KDE

well in KDE you have KXdocker thats pretty much the same as the OSX dock and komposeif you want "expose" on KDE

well in KDE you have KXdocker thats pretty much the same as the OSX dock and komposeif you want "expose" on KDE

it'll be interesting to see whether Komposé, aka éxpose clone will make it into the next version of KDE...

I did some looking, and Fast User Switching (FUS) is available in KDE.

Go to the K Menu, and select "Start New Session"

To switch between sessions, use Ctl-Alt-f#. Your original session will be at f7. The next session will be at f8, and so on.

Also, last week an initial version of Expose for KDE came out. It's called Kompose, and it's available here

"I have a solitary Windows machine at home for gaming. Lots of nice hardware to play great games."

Dude, you can do it!

Minesweeper
Hearts
Solitaire
Maj-jongg

The greatest Graphics Software this year, is not "The GIMP", it's KolourPaint! Alias Microsoft Paint KDE clone.

I think one good applicable example is "krename" for KDE. This is a file-renaming tool for KDE which absolutely kicks ass. It's completely GUI driven and can get a little complicated, but it is quite flexible. I use it instead of my shell for giving consistent files names as I like to my mp3 collection.

Check it out here

Krename ?

"if you're so smart, you code it".

Gosh, you mean that Microsoft's past is no indicator of current or future offerings? You are right about reading the article though. When we do, we see each of your points proved in detail. I'll take the trouble to pick through the five individual advert burdened pages for you. Let's watch!

• "isn't good enough" Article says: Windows Firewall may be the largest feature in Windows XP Service Pack 2, but from an enterprise perspective, it's pretty small potatoes. ... For my money, either ZoneAlarm 4.5 or 5.0 Pro or Symantec's Personal Firewall 2004 would be better bets for protecting road warriors out in the wild. ... WSC does sense protection levels for the worst threats out there, but it offers no help for adware, spyware, trojans, privacy invasion, and spam. So it's no panacea.
• "actually worsens security" Article says: The desktop security products of vendors that have the largest installed base of users, Symantec and Zone Labs, aren't properly detected by the RC2 version of SP2. So, this might defeat your properly tuned Zone Alarm, which was determined to be superior.
• "is just another ploy" OK, I won't find anything like this in an article that enthusiastically but without any basis in fact proclaims Windoze only has a problem because it's the only "interesting" target but that things will get much better in five years. In other words, despite the seaming criticism, the author is a major fanboy.
• "is way behind what Linux already has" Guarddog is my favorite but see the previous point.
• "is too risky to download" Not exactly: Download RC2 now and test all your internal applications, as well as your intranet and your public Web site. That's the only way to be sure that you won't have significant problems... Testing is prudent, but a joke for Joe Average with his single Windoze PC or a small office where there's no "spare".
• "is another sign of bad programming" Article says: Mainstream Web [that use nonstandard M$ junk] may encounter difficulty with SP2 version IE 6. ... a lot of Web stuff is going to be broken--or, at least, temporarily halted. ... That doesn't mean nothing works properly ... in my tests of SP2 RC1, I found that it could take more than half an hour for your computer to turn off because of this feature. Wow, something worked? What could indicate better planning or programming than a service pack that turns off your dinky, second rate services? What could be a better practice than updating a computer when it's being turned off? How is the user going to know the differnece between that and the good old shutdown hangs they are used to?

Looks like more of the same from M$ to me. More heartache with no real result or benefit for the end user.

If knowing stuff like that is required to "secure" a Windoze box, you can imagine why it's impossible for the average user to do.

Compare to Gaurddog. It has a fine icon based GUI to manipulate IPTables. The GUI is well organized with a clear category based tree of services and even little icons. With programs like that, it's easy to turn on and off the services you want.

I own one copy of Windoze 98. To move the rest of my computers would cost big bucks and leave me with considerably less reliability, function and value.

I don't know why you keep getting and extra point added to your post score.

I'm an old fart with excellent karma, gained by wasting many hours and submitting many stories. You could say it's earned, mostly by sharing useful information, like what follows.

Is setting up a firewall on Linux as easy as checking a single checkbox?

Guarddog. OK, you have to click more than one button, but a firewall with one button might not work so well. Smoothwall is as easy to configure as any WAP. If you don't like that, you can copy an ipchains script like Ian Hall-Beyer wrote.

TuxCards
TuxCards is a program that will store your notes in RTF format and organize them in a tree. Very handy, also sorts by category I believe. Try it.

Gaurdog is a great learning tool. It clearly organizes the ports by what they provide, such as file transfer or chat. A firewall can be annoying for the newbie when they take their first tenative steps because many local services, like ssh, are blocked. When the newbie is ready for that, it is much easier for them to run the GUI than it is for them to learn everything about IPtables. Then, when they are ready to learn about IPtables, they have nice example files ready to hack.

That's awesome - thanks. I just assumed It Wouldn't Work.

Well, you know what they say about ASSuMEing ;-)

Now if I can just convinece Blue's Clues that my fileserver is actually the CD ROM drive, I can avoid having my 3 year old put CDs into the computer :)

Bah. My four year old handles it just fine. Even my one year old has been known to swap a few CDs!

It sounds like you want something like this. Rip the CD to an ISO and mount it as needed. That should work fine for all the single CD games. Multi-CD Blue's Clues might be a bit problematic, however. You might have to switch to the console to remount, something your 3 year old will definitely have troubles with. ;-)

If you think EMACS is still the most used program on linux then you should actually try it one day.

I look here on my new Gnome 2.6 desktop, with Firefox for browsing, Thunderbird for E-mail, OpenSource 1.1.1 (the new fast version that only takes two seconds to start), Over 100 games (yes, even commercial games), Eclipse and Kdevelop for development and hundreds of other native apps.

Visit KDE-apps and Fitfh toe and see the massive collection of apps!

Something like KSayIt perhaps?

I have a blind friend who has been using kSayIt for a while and loves it! He also loves the freedom in being able to choose his distro, desktop environment, window manager, e-mail client, yada yada yada. Chalk up another win for Free/Open Source Software, cuz last I talked to him (earlier this week) Ronnie sez he is never going back to Windows.

If you are using KDE, the apps page, has a feedback option. It doesn't automatically guess what packages are better but the more people who use it the better it'll be.

Not flamebait, but controversally insighftful! Posted anonymously by Mookore 2004 on behalf of Anonymous Coword.

1) No stupid registry editor clone
2) Decent web browser
3) Decent file dialog (I know thats changing in 2.6 but not all apps use the new file dialog yet)
4) Comes with more distributions than gnome
5) Better theming API (so good that someone wrote a gnome style to use the KDE one)
6) The choice for both newbies and experts
7) More KDE native apps (see KDE apps for THOUSANDS of them!
8)Avalible in more languages than gnome
9) Supported by Apple
10) I use it!

• How about cutting a CD - most burners ship with some sort of burning software for Windows (e.g. Nero 5). Under Linux say hello to 'mkisofs', 'cdrecord' and another HOWTO. If you want to burn an audio CD of MP3's, you're in a world of pain.

1. More consistentcy between apps due to the Human Interface Guidelines
And this has been a big problem in KDE?

2. Nicer interface layout. Better spacing, and I like the OS 9 style menu up the top, feels less like a windows clone, taking the best from both worlds. Also less flashly, more standard than KDE.
Well, I like the KDE one is better, and ofcourse you can customize them as you like. Not big problem.. Btw, what do you mean with more standard?

3. Options. Apart from Gconf, GNOME comes with far less options. KDE is nice, but trying to locate an option in the KDE Control Center is hell. GConf is a far better way to go.
Have you tried the search of kcontrol? Anyways yes, it's too complicated imho too. But it's far more userfriendly than gconf.. But if you like gconf is better, maybe you should try kconfedit when it comes out (don't ask me when :)

4. Apps. GNOME/GTK2+ has all the apps I want. Gems like Rhythmbox and the GIMP when there is nothing that compares on KDE. Also the old standbys like Abiword, Bluefish and Gnumeric.
Oh, since when GIMP has been a gnome app? Yes I've heard something work on this is going on, but it isn't yet here.. And there is JuK in KDE which is pretty similiar Rhythmbox, I think.. And how about koffice stuff? Bluefish is HTML editor right? Quanta+ then..

5. Lastly, the GNOME community! Sites like planet.gnome.org and gnomedesktop.org help GNOME rock just that much more.
Yes, I love KDE community a lot too! :) Sites like Dot aka news.kde.org, KDE-Look and KDE-Apps are pretty actives and you can see from those what's happening there in community. For developer stuff there's KDEDevelopers site with developer blogs on it. And at last there's a good wiki (KDE Community Wiki Site) maintained by developers and users of KDE.

download kopete without getting the rest of the damn kdenetwork package.

Here ya go:
Clicky

What about K3B, Quanta+, eric3, and scribus? There are tons more great KDE apps at the new KDE-Apps.org. The future of KDE application development looks bright. Remember that you're comparing KDE apps against the complete set of all other open-source applications. I think KDE is doing pretty well, myself.