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Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic. Written using Kate on KDE 3.1.4

What, besides the fact that the KDE project is moving over to the media subsystem and accessiblity architecure (and already uses the XML libs) all developed for the GNOME project isn't a big dent in the statement that KDE has more advanced technology? Pfff.

I didn't say that KDE has more advanced technology, just that it's further along in general. Compare GNOME architecture to KDE architecure. I'd rather not get into a big point-by-point argument, as the architecture of both is quite involved. I'm not saying GNOME is bad in any way, just that KDE is further along, and in many ways has a better engine. That's not to say GNOME will not become better than KDE, but remember that KDE has had longer to mature than GNOME. And in many ways, Qt is a better toolkit than GTK.

Yeah, I'll bet that GNOME hello world program really stretched things.

Ad Hominem attacks are a really nice way to make your point there. Have you gone through the GTK and Qt tutorials, by any chance? From your talk, I rather assume not.

Good lord, are you deliberately being clueless. I can write an application for GNOME with a license that says "FUCK YOU, I OWN YOU AND YOUR FIRST BORN CHILD." and link to the GNOME libs. May I suggest a little research on your part before mouthing off again (it doesn't however, seem to affect the zealot upmodding that goes on).

Well, apart from the fact that a licence is limited by law, you're more or less correct, except there are limitations to the LGPL. No static linking is a headache for proprietry developers not associated with a particular distribution.

However, perhaps I was exaggerating a little. Ironic that KDE is more Free-as-in-speech than GNOME though, especially considering GNOME's origins :)

Still, a LGPL licence for GTK I like more than a GPL licence for it.

Oh man, you've clearly never used GNUMERIC.

And you clearly don't know the meaning of the word "former". As I said, I prefer Gnumeric over KSpread, but KSpread intergrates better with KDE and KOffice than Gnumeric does with GNOME. That's a result of KDE's architecture.

If you've got lots of users, you've got survival. GNOME the project guaranteed its survival by those large commericial deals.

Because commercial deals are the only way of getting users. And no commercial deal has ever resulted in few users adopting a product.

SUSE is now run by Novell and Ximian is now running the desktop.

Perhaps you could indicate a modern SUSE distro that favours GNOME over KDE? Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Personally, I can't see that Novell would make SUSE switch. Would they go to all the trouble of remaking YAST and changing focus? KDE is a largely European effort. GNOME is more USian. SUSE is European, and it's developers have quite a bit of experience with KDE.

That SUSE will change desktops is pure speculation. It may occur, but I don't think it's too likely myself, and you've offered nothing in the way of evidence to suggest that this is their strategy.

You are like all KDE zealots, you constantly repeat the same tired meme... until you are incapable of seeing anything else.

AC: KDE's going to die! GNOME's superior!
Me: I don't think so.
AC: You damn KDE zealot!

As I said before, this looks a lot like a troll, though your zealous pursuit of this thread seems to indicate otherwise.

Yes, written by Nicholas Petreley and pals... look, get out more. See the world.

Conspiracy theories aside, my searches turn up zip. Perhaps you could find an article that explains the superiority of the GNOME engine over KDE's?

I didn't mention when I looked the settings of random screensaver so I reported it, here. This won't made into 3.2 release, but maybe to the NEXT!(tm).

Anyways if you've other wishes or there's a bug bothering you, take a look at bko and made a wish/bug report. Or if there's already one, vote for it :)

I didn't mention when I looked the settings of random screensaver so I reported it, here. This won't made into 3.2 release, but maybe to the NEXT!(tm).

Anyways if you've other wishes or there's a bug bothering you, take a look at bko and made a wish/bug report. Or if there's already one, vote for it :)

About the kiosk look at here. The GUI for the kiosk will be in KDE 3.3, hopefully.

The very fact that the Unix world is so full of self-righteous cultural superiority, "advocacy," and slashdot-karma-whoring sectarianism while the Windows world is more practical ("yeah, whatever, I just need to make a living here") stems from a culture that feels itself under siege, unable to break out of the server closet and hobbyist market and onto the mainstream desktop.

i think the article shows a bit of a polarised image. okay, i see the point of OS advocates being too tech-oriented, but we also have some efforts that really try to aim at end users, more or less succesfull. allright, it's not as easy as using MacOSX, but it's quite close in many aspects. and quite usable for the novice, especially in the distributions that try to make it simple (xandros, lindows, etc)

linux on the desktop? very possible. a lot more likely than the writer of this article would like us to believe IMHO

Features? KDE has many nice applications. Kstars anyone? I'm an amateur astronomer, and even though I have a legal copy of Software Bisques The Sky pro level 4 I found kstars to be very good (and this was on the early version that runs on KDE 3.0.3 - kstars is improved on KDE 3.2 beta I believe).

You can find the new features of KStars 3.2 here. Looks pretty promising, but don't know as I'm not into atronomy.

The idea of using XML to describe a user interface is nothing new, though that's not a criticism of Microsoft.

I think KDE is a good example of how XML can be used in this way successfully. KDE uses XMLGUI to describe the menus and toolbars of a window, for example, here's Konqueror's menu and toolbar structure.

KDE also uses XML to describe the 'work' area of windows. The XML is created by Qt designer. Example: kcontrol's mouse configuration dialog.

Qt designer gives the XML a little more power, allowing you to set up connections between GUI elements within the XML itself. For example, you may specify that you will have a method named, e.g. 'addButtonClicked' and make a connection from your 'add' button to that method inside designer, by drawing a line. This connection will then appear in your code at runtime. All you do is implement the method and wait for it to be called. Examples of this can be seen in the above mouse configuration dialog XML.

The idea of using XML to describe a user interface is nothing new, though that's not a criticism of Microsoft.

I think KDE is a good example of how XML can be used in this way successfully. KDE uses XMLGUI to describe the menus and toolbars of a window, for example, here's Konqueror's menu and toolbar structure.

KDE also uses XML to describe the 'work' area of windows. The XML is created by Qt designer. Example: kcontrol's mouse configuration dialog.

Qt designer gives the XML a little more power, allowing you to set up connections between GUI elements within the XML itself. For example, you may specify that you will have a method named, e.g. 'addButtonClicked' and make a connection from your 'add' button to that method inside designer, by drawing a line. This connection will then appear in your code at runtime. All you do is implement the method and wait for it to be called. Examples of this can be seen in the above mouse configuration dialog XML.

fluxbox is technically faster than KDE and GNOME, like GNOME is technically faster than KDE. but you have to take into account the speed boost you get with integration. ie, mozilla is faster under GNOME, konqueror is faster under KDE. GNOME is faster than KDE, but you're not going to get any use out of a desktop on it's own, unless you have some kinky wallpaper :p it feels a lot faster using konqueror with KDE than mozilla with GNOME. and besides, although GTK is GPLed, and Qt has a proprietary license, Qt is actually a better API. i do use GTK apps (gkrellm, gaim, openoffice) but one of them is going to be Qt native soon :) ( http://dot.kde.org/1071245692/ ) anyway, my point is, the GNOME desktop is faster, but KDE has faster applications

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/1100mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic. Written using Kate on KDE 3.1.4

Are we talking about the same Keramik? The one with window decorations that are twice as big as they should be, piss-colored widget highlights that don't match the window decorations, "3D Effects" that appear to have been done by a 13-year old who just discovered photoshop?

You mentioned "that other project". It is now my sacred duty to implore people:

Bring Linux to the desktop: Donate to KDE!

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.
Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.
gnomezealot.txt

I seem to remember seeing some discussions with Miguel, recently on the KDE mailing list. There were also rumors flying around at KDE News regarding Miguel. Maybe Miguel is going over to KDE. Who could blame him? Just look at how beautiful it is. I wish I had a screen shot of the file dialog to show you. Hmm, yummy. Gnome sucks!

I seem to remember seeing some discussions with Miguel, recently on the KDE mailing list. There were also rumors flying around at KDE News regarding Miguel. Maybe Miguel is going over to KDE. Who could blame him? Just look at how beautiful it is. I wish I had a screen shot of the file dialog to show you. Hmm, yummy. Gnome sucks!

I seem to remember seeing some discussions with Miguel, recently on the KDE mailing list. There were also rumors flying around at KDE News regarding Miguel. Maybe Miguel is going over to KDE. Who could blame him? Just look at how beautiful it is. I wish I had a screen shot of the file dialog to show you. Hmm, yummy. Gnome sucks!

I seem to remember seeing some discussions with Miguel, recently on the KDE mailing list. There were also rumors flying around at KDE News regarding Miguel. Maybe Miguel is going over to KDE. Who could blame him? Just look at how beautiful it is. I wish I had a screen shot of the file dialog to show you. Hmm, yummy. Gnome sucks!

It's openness has been without a strong de facto standard in interface design

What have you found wrong with the GNOME guidelines? Or do you mainly complain that too many high-profile apps do not conform, or that the competing KDE guidelines would confuse users too much?

it's installations are too open to user intervention.

I don't completely understand what you mean by this.

A cute label maker that Just Works with standard printers.

Provided the makers of label paper deign to cooperate by providing specifications of where the labels are placed on the page. However, too many printers are not "standard printers" in that they do not conform to a "standard" language such as PostScript or HP PCL; these non-standard printers need the cooperation of the manufacturer. In addition, "cute" implies clip art, and the free software community has found it rather hard to attract visual artists who are willing to free license their works under e.g. Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike.

A photo app that lets them just plug in a digicam and browse pictures

Again, provided the camera manufacturer deigns to cooperate.

or draw smiley faces on Cousin Bob without worrying about layers and opacity.

It's possible to edit an image in GIMP without creating a new layer, just as in Microsoft Paint.

Much like the academics on the pre-Mosaic internet, many Linux users tend to feel like people should have to know what 'root' privileges are to use a computer, as well as where the proper config files are and what a mount point is. (some go much further)

I agree that config files and mount points could be simplified as Mac OS X has, but I've found it rather easy to get people to understand the concept of superuser. Use an analogy between root and the head of the household.

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

maybe u shoulda read this then!

According to this, KDE 3.2 final was slated for release today... instead, we get 3.2... BETA 2!

Gah.

why choose GNOME to do this? Is there no Bengali support in KDE?

There's support for this on KDE, but it seems like there are no translations.

Why isn't there a KDE media player based on Xine, dammit?!?

Wasn't there kxine or something? In xine's homepage there's a list of frontends, and I remember several KDE ones.

Gnome is a popular "open" source "desktop" (read: geek toy) developed by Ximian inc. Unfortunatley, there are some problems, which I will define below. Gnome is a great example on why open source is a bad methodolgy. Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

If you think I'm lying, try KDE 3.2 Rudi and Gnome 2.4. Once you have tried them both, you won't EVER want to use Gnome again! Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.
Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

Note : I am reposting this. Some moderator modded me down without explaining why. I have some serious problems with gnome, so please, repsond to the problems. Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

vEver since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

P.S If you think I'm just trolling, try kde 3.2 beta "rudi", you will NEVER want to go back to gnome again.

Yeah, that's why people were working on Harmony before Qt's licensing changed. Similarly, it took a long time for a Free motif-compatible widget set to get written.

I'm not so surprised... I'm a programmer who has no interest in nice shiny desktop apps. :)

I've tried Kooka and should be good for simple stuff.

vEver since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

It's also cool to note that they're using Linux and KDE in some of the rendering. See here for more details and screenies.

Some people here need to read the KDE Licensing Policy at: http://developer.kde.org/policies/licensepolicy.ht ml.

It states that source files which are included in the kdelibs module must use either the LGPL, BSD, or X11 license.

So, KDE can be used to develop commercial apps as long as the developer has a valid QT license.

It is amazing what five minutes of research on the Net will get you. ;-)

One such SuSE paid KDE developer is Waldo Bastian. I can't see him stopping KDE development. I don't know him personally, but I know his KDE history and current status in the project. He's very keen on KDE.

Most KDE hackers are, funnily enough, keen on KDE. Most OSS developers devote themselves to their chosen projects. Of course a good paycheck is something to covet in these trying times, but I have faith in the near-religious devotion us hackers have to our tasks.

Still I feel all uncertain.

> Yeah, you might be upset about it if you use KDE, but look at it this, it is too expensive to be supporting multiple DEs.

Are you sure about that? Novell has seemed to be commiting to two of them.

Also, Qt is GPL on X11, which means it's free to develop with it. Perhaps you were thinking of something else?

Perhaps not, the CEO of SUSE recently said that they are sticking with KDE, but also making Ximian desktop better for SUSE.

KDE 3.2 will come out in about a month and Konqueror will come with SVG support out of the box.

OK, so I just checked the KDE Release Time Line and the latest word is that KDE 3.2 will be out on February 2, 2004. Beta 1 is out now, Beta 2 is expected out December 4, 2003, and RC1 is January 17, 2004. Obviously, more slippage could occur, but this is still good news. Looking through what SVG they now do support, it strikes me that the essentially full SVG support really could take until 2005. That should still beat Longhorn, however. Now if I only knew what Mac OS X was planning...

vEver since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

I use Sid (unstable) on my laptop, but on my new desktop PC I haven't bothered to upgrade from Woody, other than KDE 3.1, OpenOffice.org, Privoxy, and a few home-compiled apps. Actually, I find it refreshing to have a rock-solid and stable system. On my Sid laptop, I get all kinds of weird problems. Not often, but occasionally... Like when the printer stops working, or the USB mouse doesn't work anymore, or when X is no longer 3D accelerated. These are the kinds of issues you have to deal with once in a while when running Debian unstable. Not a big deal, but if I could choose again, I would have chosen Woody (with a few selected upgrades) on the laptop as well.

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation
is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to
copying the Mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

I believe that Konqueror DOES include application/xhtml+xml in its Accept header, but it processes the document using the HTML parser rather than a proper XML parser.

Close. It does process application/xhtml+xml documents as tag soup, but it doesn't advertise the fact. Please vote for bug #52665 to fix this.

vEver since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation
is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to
copying the Mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation
is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to
copying the Mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

This is off-topic, which is why I am posting as AC, but I was just thinking about the story regarding controlling teenagers internet usage. I want to provide some links right now so that people can discover alternative "lifestyles" before it's too late.

gay
necro
scat (krap)

I must point out that this is not a troll because I provide an accurate description for each link.

This is off-topic, which is why I am posting as AC, but I was just thinking about the story regarding controlling teenagers internet usage. Before the internet becomes censured in the US, I want to provide some links to alternative "styles" for people to discover (warning, some may be mildly offensive to you):

gay
necro
Krap

I must point out that this is not a troll because of the fact that I provide an accurate description for the links. Merely off-topic.

Apple's Safari is based on Konqueror, not mozilla. Let those Gnome wankers keep mozilla, epiphany, galeon and penisbird to themselfs.

Gnome == CDE 2.0!

Why not kde?

Gnome translate-o-matic

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx, netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd, and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris, Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex, gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+ is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to copying the Mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

TrollTech is also vulnerable to takeover by companies hostile to Free software

So what? If Troll Tech or its successor discontinues Qt Free Edition, the last published version remains QPL/GPL licensed. In fact, there is an agreement in place that makes it BSD licensed under these specific conditions.

Because Gnome is too buggy.

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Don't get me wrong, I use gnome for my servers (for GUI admin), but Gnome really has problems for other stuff. Here is a guide to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx, netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

Gnome allows mac like operation.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to copying the Mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

Interesting .. but SuSE's CEO wrote a large letter that pretty much dispells most of your claims.

Signals and Slots are the metaphor of Qt, yes. And it's true that in order to use the GUI, you have to use the GUI library. It's also true that Qt is written in C++, but Qt apps do not have to be. KDE is an example - every KDE app is a Qt application, but they can be written in C++, C, Python, Perl and other languages. PyQt is quite a nice package. If you think you have to use C++ to program a Qt app, you're sorely mistaken.

Qtopia is also licenced under the same licence scheme as QT, dual licenced under the GPL and QPL. This sceme allows development of open source applications using the GPL and proprietary applications using the QPL after per-developer fees have been payed.

The QPL is a Open Source Inititive certified license. It gives you different rights than the GPL, but it is a very open and friendly license that meets all the OSI criteria. In addition, it's applicable to the full, freely downloadable Qt source. I.e., the QPL is another open source license you can use at no cost to write and distribute your software under, if you happen not to like the GPL.

You're thinking of the commercial license, which allows you to release your software under any license you care to make up. Binary only, EULAs, guarentees and warrantees (which are not allowed under the LGPL), patented algorithms (again, the LGPL does not allow these), etc. If you choose to abandon Open Source, be prepared to pay.

Thirdly in order to port the application to another platform, an activity in-keeping with the Free Software spirit, licence fees must be payed even for an open application.

Wrong. Qt is GPLed. It runs under Windows, OSX and other OSes. Qt for Windows is a different product entirely that has support for DirectX and other Windows specific features. Qt itself, however, runs just dandy on any modern OS, and the community has ported it to experimental and very niche OSes.

It should also be noted, since you're hitting on many of the famous Qt myths that if Trolltech were to go out of business or get bought out, not only will the GPLed code stay with the community, there is the KDE Free Qt Foundation, which mandates that in the event of a buy-out, merger, bankrupty or even lack of prompt releases, the latest codebase immedately reverts to the BSD licence.

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Evan