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Technically speaking, Apple store desired language, fully complies with their restricted access closed garden. Need to pigeon hole Apple in you mind, consider and Ladies and Gentlemen's computer club and cheeky fucker's ain't invited. Yes, that store language is typical of that kind of club, no one is ever really at fault, the environment is creative whilst always remaining pleasant. Don't buy into that lifestyle, don't buy into Apple products, as simple as that. They most certainly do have their place within a broad and diverse environment, but specifically they are designed around a greater acceptance of that controlled country club environment ie targeted at the snooty snoots https://www.collinsdictionary...., the digital toffs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... They do actively pay for exclusivity of computing environment, it is who they are, as a corporation, as staff members and as customers.

Note of clarification, I do not own any Apple products and never have, I did run Quicktime for a while and generally had is as backup but https://www.videolan.org/vlc/ (what more needs to be said, it does the job, with minimal fuss across multiple platforms). Not that I am opposed to Apple products, just somewhat unlikely to purchase them, well, until windows anal probe 10, now the unlikely is becoming the likely, as long as dual boot to Linux, specifically https://kubuntu.org/ is possible, to be blunt so that I can escape the garden when ever I choose to do so and still return, for a more pleasant and polite computing experience.

I think often because people just say KDE as if it provides the answer. Better to say https://kubuntu.org/. I personally go with Kubuntu, although I do swap around with Gnome and have both accessible with just a configuration change at bootup.

So the answer is not so much go with KBE as go with Kubuntu. One leads to more questions and the other leads to a direct simple answer, even if you already use https://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://edubuntu.org/ or https://lubuntu.net/. After all those links it would be mean not to put in https://www.canonical.com/.

Linux == choice ;).

KDE Mint feels kinda redundant to me when you have Kubuntu and KDE's own Neon. Why do we need a KDE version of a distro that is a derivative of another distro that is a derivative of Debian? So we can play more games of point the fingers when something doesn't work right?

Xu and Lu are kinda tricky to download since not released yet in 17.04.

Ku is out though http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/

Systemd is kind of like the glue between applications and the kernel. It has replaced the init system that was the standard on many popular linux distros. You don't need to worry about that, this is the core of the linux OS and will do everything it's supposed to do on its own. You don't integrate this with an existing linux system, it's a standalone. Also, since you're a linux noob, you should just stick to Linux Mint or maybe one of the versions of Ubuntu that doesn't ship with Unity, like Kubuntu or Xubuntu. You can find them here --> Kubuntu http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubu... Xubuntu https://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu... If you have a working Windows or Mac computer, you can use virtualization software like VirtualBox to set up a VM of pretty much any distro you want, running in a window (or full screened) on top of Windows or OSX. It's a great way to test out a full install without hosing your primary partition. This project (RSL) is not for beginners, so stick with an established desktop distro instead.

The 'people' didn't choose Gnome, much in the same way the 'people' haven't chosen systemd.

Hardly comparable. Most distributions give you a choice of desktop environment or even provide a fork with a desktop environment of your choice pre-selected. On the other hand people really don't chose systemd, or sysvinit, or upstart, or OpenRC. In that regard they actually do get stuck with what was chosen for them.

So switch to Kubuntu ?

When my customers tell me they don't want Windows 10, I download and install this to fix the problem. They universally thank me.

Plasma 5.5 is the default in kubuntu 16.04. If you're on KDE4 now you'll notice quite a big difference (for the better , IMO).

http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ku...

I think it means three things: "Why do people use Mint when Ubuntu is better in every way? Some people think the only answer is 'Cinnamon' . Ubuntu should port that over so they are the awesome and Mint can die"

I agree with your interpretation. I even (unlike you, probably) kind of agree with the original author's point. I would be pretty happy if the Ubuntu team offered Cinnamon as an alternative of Unity. But of course they never will, because they specifically developed Unity to replace Gnome in the first place, thus creating all this demand for Cinnamon and Linux Mint.

There are a variety of different Ubuntu 'flavors', which is basically Ubuntu+Alternate DE. So why couldn't Linux Mint be like that rather than a much larger project that's harder to maintain?

Go here or here or here or here.

All have excellent upgrades available to any version of Windows.

I do kind of hate how KDE has to break everything and start over for each new QT version.

tl;dr: Then don't upgrade. Or trust your distro to do the right thing. There's no one KDEN any more.

KDE tends to group a rethink of their project to a new Qt version, why not? Software evolves. KDE4 introduced plasma, phonon, solid. There is no single "KDE 5". The KDE Frameworks 5 reorganizes the KDE libraries, and the new Plasma 5 desktop changes the theme and graphics stack. http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/... tries to explain what's going on.

I started with Kubuntu 9.04 which ran KDE 4.2, and by 4.4 it was trouble-free. The recent Kubuntu 14.10 -> 15.04 upgrade switched me from KDE4 to Plasma 5.2, I think Kubuntu is the first major distro to jump to Plasma 5. It was a seamless upgrade, everything just worked despite the seismic changes underneath (systemd, Plasma 5, etc.). Plasma 5.2 in Kubuntu is using various libkf5 packages and libqt5core5a according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/viv... , but I believe not all the KDE apps have switched over from KDE4. It's interesting that in the blog post above Jos Poortvliet writes "I'd recommend moving over your work desktop or laptop for [Plasma] 5.4." In my experience Plasma 5.2 and the KDE apps are in good shape, better than the audio and display problems I had with KDE 4.2. I reported a couple of medium-priority KDE bugs that were fixed already so I added the Kubuntu backports PPA to get Plasma 5.3, and it's better still.

YMMV.

If you want a significantly modernized UI that hasn't been designed for dummies, have a look at KDE Plasma 5. Kubuntu was simultaneously released in 14.10 flavor, and there are tech preview ISOs available now with the new desktop. It has a new wallpaper, also.

It sounds like you're using the wrong version. Install Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu. You get a better, more powerful, more customizable desktop environment, and no "shopping lens" spyware.

Also, donate a few euros or dollars to them so they can keep doing it.

Kubuntu isn't good enough?

The nice thing about this deal is that Emerge Open is a non-profit company so any money made goes back into Kubuntu to fund developer travel or hardware. Remember you can always donate too :)

I'm a bit confused by Kubuntu's announcement. The link on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10 points to the kde announcement on 4.10-RC3. I suppose it's a mistake?

Thank goodness Canonical jettisoned Kubuntu. The project has been faster and leaner and more productive ever since. During the age of Canonical's "guidance" the monthly updates released by KDE were released weeks later in Kubuntu. Now, KDE updates are released in Kubuntu's updates and backports PPA almost the same day or within a couple days maximum.
 
Now that Kubuntu is sponsored by Blue Systems rather than Canonical, the project has improved noticeably. An example of my first point is that 4.10 was released by KDE today (Feb. 6th), and it is already available in Kubuntu the same day.

well, i figured it would be some problem with the graphics drivers and that's why i switched to using the kubuntu 12.04 LTS dvd instead of the normal ubuntu/unity one, i've been having weird issues with unity lately (invisble mouse cursor and ignored keyboard input on a fujitsu siemens Amilo La1703 notebook - but KDE works perfectly)

http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
( for those that fell recently into the linux soup and don't know what this is, this is practically the same thing as ubuntu 12.04 LTS but with the KDE interface as default instead of unity. )

In other news kubuntu 12.04 is out... http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu

Here is the announcement from Kubuntu that confirms we will carry on for 12.04 and thereafter just as we did before. There are other sponsors of Kubuntu besides Canonical and a thriving contributor community.

Sure, let's avoid the issue. This was from October 2010.

4. Fragmentation

Bad news for Oracle with its "new" Linux: businesses don't want any more Linux choices. On the other hand, this also doesn't bode well for LibreOffice, the OpenOffice fork.

It's not that businesses don't appreciate choice between vendors -- they do. But there's not interested in choosing between half-a-dozen different Linuxes, two or three is much more their speed.

I don't see this as being a big concern. The last important Linux distribution to arise was Ubuntu back in 2004. I don't see any other major new Linux distributions arising in the future for either the desktop or the server. Mobile devices and tablets may be another matter. Android is doing well, but MeeGo may yet turn out to be an important portable Linux, and, who knows, perhaps another one will emerge or an Android or MeeGo variant will emerge.

Well, that's true. Ubuntu is still on top so that's easy for people to pick, right?

Do you hate Unity? Then use Kubuntu and be done with it. Works well.

Also, stay with the latest LTS (10.04 at present), and you don't have to upgrade for 3 years. Less headache.

Personally, I've found Ubuntu very useful in situations where I couldn't do any dedicated partioning for linux and only a bootable version would do. They're not the first or the only distro to offer a bootable linux kernel, but they typically provide a nice desktop interface and fair driver support. There's also an incredibly active community, with forums, where news posts are usually not even required (your question has been asked and answered countless times over, accessible via search).

http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.kubuntu.org/
http://www.xubuntu.org/

In the event she's looking to do some more serious introspection on linux, I would suggest Arch Linux. CLI from the start, and certainly not for the weak of heart. I started with Arch Linux years ago, because I like a challenge, and it definitely paid off in the long run.

http://www.archlinux.org/

I was quite irritated when IE9 gave me the "this program is not commonly downloaded" warnings that I had to say yes, OK, accept, and download anyway to.

I was downloading unetbootin so I could easily install Kubuntu...

Gentlemen, start your conspiracy theories.

Well that just reaffirms my concerns then. Ubuntu's UI is in some areas far less configurable than Windows 7.

I suppose there's a reason the Ubuntu web site barely mentions the word "Linux". The traditional benefit of everything being configurable in Linux does not translate to Ubuntu's philosophy, even if there's very little reason why it should not. Maybe Canonical just doesn't have the manpower/skill?

If you want configurability, you will not find it in Ubuntu, old or new. Neither GNOME nor Unity are highly-configurable user experiences. Granted, GNOME is more configurable than Unity...

No, for the Linux desktop, KDE wins the gold for configurability and integration. If you like the rest of what Ubuntu has to offer (bleeding-edge packages, Debian-based repository, etc.), use Kubuntu, an Ubuntu distribution that defaults to the kubuntu-desktop package instead of the ubuntu-desktop one. If you want a heavyweight desktop environment, the only reason to use GNOME or Unity over KDE is a simplified streamlined experience.

"And as a disclaimer, I do, and probably always will, love KDE. KDE4 started out weak (by design) and is building towards an amazing desktop environment. Every subsequent release provides marked progress towards that ideal." - by Jahava (946858) on Saturday November 27, @09:33AM (#34357674)

Well put, I agree 110% - & additionally, you were FAIR & HONEST in your assessment of KDE4 over time as far as "stability" & what-not in LINUX distros that utilize it.

(E.G.-> Others here about 1-2 weeks ago told me "Oh, you're stupid for using KUbuntu because it's unstable" & KUbuntu's my preferred LINUX "weapon-of-choice" & yes, it defaults to using KDE 4 as its interface (4.5.2 build iirc, & I am on 4.5.3 currently & fully updated)).

Yes, sure - KUbuntu has had its "hassles" in the past, but that doesn't mean they don't FIX them - because even the troll that was hassling me on using KUbuntu "backed off" in the end, especially after others here "rode him" and corrected he on it (which is what put the troll to rest in the thread I speak of here - others did that for me, after I even said "I don't see the hassles you speak of in KUbuntu" etc. in reply to that troll as well).
Anyhow/anyways:

I saw this thread here today, & you KNOW I am interested... So, I came in here to see what the scoop is on KDE 4.6, & that's myself yet again only "giving away" the fact I like KDE, & a LOT (it runs on a LOAD of other OS' too, lol, even WINDOWS (though I am NOT SURE how "stable" it is in Windows or if it runs on Windows 7 64-bit even)).

I saw a lot of feedback on it, & I can't wait until the folks @ KUbuntu state its "ready to roll" on KUbuntu using KDE 4.6 in fact... yes, it's that good/I like it (again). I usually see news of that here:

http://www.kubuntu.org/

However, nothing yet so far I have seen (I'll look again).

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"Really? This is the attitude you chose to go with?... Instead you are quick to dismiss and blame the OP as incompetent and useless" - by Jahava (946858) on Saturday November 27, @09:33AM (#34357674)

No doubt, he's probably YET ANOTHER "/. wannabe" who *THINKS* he "knows all" about computing... only FOOLS act that way, especially to anyone who is a "noob", because when you come RIGHT DOWN TO IT? We've all been noobz @ some point in time, and in many things.

His name-tossing reply only evidenced he's not only a "noob" in computing (because you NEVER KNOW who it is you're talking to here in computing, nor what they've achieved themselves in this art & science, vs. what you have) but also, apparently, a "noob in life" (probably some juvenile kid is my estimation, offhand).

APK

P.S.=> Also, lastly (but NOT least)? I liked this best of all from you:

"This is exactly the kind of feedback the KDE team wants. All of the OP's problems should not exist - that's one of the KDE team's design goals. The OP's impressions, experiences, and feedback could, if funneled down to the right people, result in a superior desktop experience for everyone." - by Jahava (946858) on Saturday November 27, @09:33AM (#34357674)

Speaking as a multiply degreed professional developer of nearly 17 yrs. here, & one who's been multiply internationally published in printed media of good repute (such as Windows IT Pro mag amongst a dozen others) for softwares I've written since 1996?

You are DEAD-ON RIGHT...

I.E.-> I've gotten some great ideas and made needed fixes based on what users told me - couldn't have done it, w/out 'em in fact! apk

And kubuntu 10.10 released today also! get it here

I turned 57 this week. Probably why I am having trouble with my Gentoo install.

Probably, but Gentoo is a tough install. You could start here and follow the process. Or, you could download a Kubuntu LiveCD iso, burn it carefully, boot it, click through the timezone, keyboard type, enter your name and password, and click "install". Twenty minutes to an hour later, depending on what distro you choose, you reboot into your new desktop. Help is here.

I turned 69 a month ago and I am having NO trouble with Kubuntu 10.4 running KDE 4.5.1. I prefer KDE because it is more like the Windows environment I used at work for the last decade, except that Kubuntu doesn't get infected or slow down under a greater load.

Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord? That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'

Wow. Your mention of Operation Timelord tells me that people at Kubuntu are responding and gives me hope. It's more informative than the response given by Asay, who should either have at least mentioned Operation Timelord or should get up to speed on the distro that he's representing.

And for those who respond that Kubuntu is not officially supported by Canonical: I think it *is* supported, but if it's not, that's even more reason to disparage Ubuntu. Geez, I hope not. But it gives me hope that maybe, just maybe, the upcoming first Long Term Support release for Kubuntu in almost four years will actually be worth the pain we went through with KDE4. Long live Kubuntu, and hope Canonical gives you the support you need to renew yourselves.

I know it's bad form to reply to my own post, but the last paragraph SHOULD have read:

Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord? That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu fucking us over. We're blowing this pop stand and doing it right.'

I blame a severe lack of sleep and a severe lack of good coffee.

I was disappointed with his response to the questions regarding Gnome & KDE. What I read in his response was 'We have Kubuntu. Please keep using it!'.

Ubuntu and KDE and GNOME by Enderandrew (866215) "I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrudge people the freedom of choice. However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?" Matt: I'm new to the Ubuntu party, but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu. No?

Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord? That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'

I would rather recommend Kubuntu (KDE4 desktop) instead of Ubuntu (GNOME desktop). As far as I know KDE4 is mature now. Regardless whether you choose GNOME or KDE4, I would definitely recommend to get the desktop effects (Compiz) working.

LOL. You are better with insults than facts, that's for sure.

You don't know what hardware I run. That's 1.

I ran Debian for years. There's a reason everyone uses Canonical. That's 2.

Interestingly while checking googling I did spot something interesting that I hadn't seen before, that you could have suggested but didn't:

https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic

Sentiment on this latest KDE4 was positive in the crowd. But if it's still crap, this might be the next step.

Do I get to complain about lame mono apps being included in favor of better gtk or KDE ones.

If you want Ubuntu with KDE environment and apps as "standard", Canonical has a distribution for that.

Continuing with the house analogy... Users don't have to build, they just stay there and fix the little bugs that are still around. I see no point in moving. KDE4 is just too slow on the hardware at my disposal. So folks who want to stay on the Kubuntu bandwagon but like KDE3, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic . If it ain't broke.... although many programmer may refer to KDE3 as baroque..

With very few exceptions, Kubuntu developers are volunteers and have the unenviable task of setting QA vice feature development priorities given their resource constraints. One way to encourage Kubuntu developers is to become one, and in that respect you, too, would contribute to fixing existing bugs instead of putting in new features.

Maybe you should give Kubuntu a try? I run a dual-boot with Vista and Kubuntu. I use Vista to test the cross-platform support of the software which I develop and I use Kubuntu for everything else.

Kutulhu(+1), why settle for the lesser evil?

Cthulhu(+1), why settle for the lesser spelling?

Mebbe he was punning on Kubuntu.

Unfortunately Hardy's long term support ends in October so I'll have no choice but to upgrade to Karmic.

You can run KDE3.5 with Jaunty, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty -- I've been doing that for a few months and it works quite well. Whether it'll be possible with Karmic, remains to be seen.

Everything that makes Windows 7 greater than Vista is what makes Kubuntu Kubuntu. In other words; a total KDE 4.x on Ubuntu Linux experience. So maybe you should switch over to Linux? -> http://www.kubuntu.org/

ClamWin, ClamAV are fine for remedial action. The best remedy, as in all things, is prevention and that can be accomplished by moving to systems that are resistant to malware. Here even the consumer unions fall flat on their faces and fail to mention the Linux distros. Most mainstream distros are years ahead of Windows as far as ease of use, maintenance and speed. The main weakness of real systems (non-M$) is that Web 2.0 script crap.

Here you sound like a troll. There are no sources for any of your claims and they are false.

Here are the sources, try any one of them:

• Fedora w/KDE default
• Fedora w/GNOME default
• Ubuntu w/Xfce default
• Ubuntu w/KDE default
• Ubuntu w/Gnome default

XSS? Search Google.

Note, different than Windows, easier to use and worlds easier to modify and customize. KDE passed XP in usability years ago. It's not 1996 anymore.

As in, the port of KDE 3.5.10 for Jaunty (*buntu 9.04) backported PDF rotation into KPDF, among other things (it's mentioned in the release notes that were linked to on the front page of Kubuntu.org back right before Jaunty Final came out). With those packages you can run KDE 3.5.10 as your DE but still load KDE 4 apps when they're preferable. I know I've now responded to two of your comments and mentioned the KDE 3.5 Jaunty Remix in both comments, but I really wanted to be sure you noticed its existence!

As to NetworkManager, unfortunately current developments in NetworkManager have broken KDE 3.5's KNetworkManager, which is the main problem with running KDE 3.5 on Jaunty. It's fairly easy to get around, though, by just either installing network-manager-gnome and running nm-applet, or (and this is what I've been doing on my netbook) installing Wicd, which is in the repos for Jaunty.

All that being said, although I'm running Jaunty on my laptop, netbook, backup PC and projector computer (albeit that's just an Openbox session and XBMC, not even a DM is running), and gone the Jaunty-KDE3-remix route with two different friends' netbooks, on my main PC which is also my duplex's file server I'm riding out this LTS to the next LTS if I can (and I might not even reboot until then).

This looks like it has what you are looking for. There are even instructions on how to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 and keep KDE 3.

Apparently, there is a backport to KDE3:
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
I haven't tried it, though.
I was VERY frustrated with KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1, and I was very much in need for a kubuntu KDE3 backport, especially as my new Dell E6400 needed a kernel > 2.6.26 to have all the hardware supported, so going with kubuntu 8.04 (the last with an official KDE3 support) was not an option for me. However, I am now a very happy KDE4 user. For my needs, it has already surpassed KDE 3 in terms of feature richness by a significant margin. And it runs extremely well and stable for me. Therefore this backport came too late for me.

I swear, I've never heard of kubuntu before.

As for Ubuntu, the real thing keeping me back from using it is the gnome interface. There are basically two problems I have with it, the first is right what you point out, to be blunt, I find gnome and to a lesser extent, gtk, to be ugly. I really don't like it. It works, but QT is much nicer looking.

While I'm not as negative about Gnome as most KDE users are, I think it's worth noting that if you don't like Gnome the companion Kubuntu 9.04 release is quite good this time around. If you tried the Kubuntu releases in 2008 and felt dissatisfied by their earlier KDE 4 builds, 9.04's KDE 4.2 is worth a look. I'm very likely converting to it today, given my enjoyable evaluation of it yesterday. The desktop in the new Kubuntu is simply beautiful, and I can finally say that a Linux desktop has become innovative rather than immitative.

So, I'm a die-hard KDE user. I'm all excited about the new release! I can't wait to upgrade to a KDE that's actually useful as opposed to the get-lost-this-is-for-developers-only version. So I check out the release web page, and I see that there are a few known issues here:

1. Connection to non-broadcasting (hidden SSID) wireless networks with the network-manager widget isn't possible Bug 330811
2. Network Manager does not connect to some networks Bug 339313
3. Network Manager is not added to the panel on upgrades Bug 349066
4. KPackageKit (which is now the default package manager for Kubuntu Jaunty) doesn't support installations which require a removal or updates which require additional software. The packages to be removed / installed will be shown as blocked. Bug 342671
5. Kmail sieve functionality is buggy and causes CPU hang. You shouldn't use it at the moment.

WTF?? Wireless doesn't work? Package manager doesn't work!? Kmail doesn't work!??
Okay, you may be saying, "It's not that it doesn't work, it's that certain functions with certain applications in certain circumstances don't work." Umm, but it worked before, and now with the newer version it stops working? Okay, network manager only fails to connect to some networks. I mean, who cares, right? As long as your network is not one of those "some". It only fails if the network is hidden. I mean, what's the infinitesimal chance that you would actually hide your network SSID, right? KPackageKit works some of the time!? I don't care if it's "most" of the time. How would you like it if you bought a product that worked "most" of the time?
It's not as if this is some bleeding edge version. It's KDE 4.2 already. And, sitting right next to it is a perfectly functional KDE 3.5 that people have been using for ages. Why Kubuntu being released with so many issues?
What were those Kubuntu distro managers thinking!? In an effort to find out, I browsed some bug discussion pages.
One person said:
"Maybe we should switch back to knetworkmanager as the default network manager because I don't think this problem will be fixed shortly. knetworkmanager doesn't look as nice as the plasma widget, but can handle hidden aps and works fine with kubuntu."
But another one says,
"This won't be possible for two reasons. First, the final release is only weeks away. It is way to late to make an intrusive change like that. Second, I have heard the developers say that there is no room on the CD left for the KDE3 libraries that would be necessary to run NetworkManager. Hopefully, KNetworkManager4 will have been released and/or the bugs in the plasmoid will have been fixed in time for Karmic."
Umm, so, translation: we have to use software that works "most" of the time instead of a perfectly functioning networking piece of software, whose only disadvantage is that it is not as aesthetically pleasing, because

1. it's too late for us to realize that our aesthetically pleasing software is actually dysfunctional. Gotta release EARLY, release OFTEN, release ANYTHING EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK!
2. Our not-so-perfectly working system takes up too much room to fit the system that's been working fine for the past 2 release cycles while we were working on this KDE4 mess.
3. Our solution is to HOPE that MAYBE in the next release, things will be fixed.

This attitude of "yeah, it's buggy --we'll just get it out there, get some users to beta-test it for us (Surprise! YOU'VE been selected to beta-test OUR buggy software!) and just tell people to upgrade" makes me wonder whether the KDE developers are trying to update their resumes for a job hunt at Microsoft. "My software engineering skills include: successfully releasing piece-of-crap software and fo

Don't forget Kubuntu! It's got KDE 4.2 now!

Great! But Fedora has had KDE 4.2 since February.

I think they should've upgraded to KDE 3.5.

You could always use the "semi-official" KDE3 Remix