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Technical advise
You could find some techniques to install a Linux system automatically on a lot of computers at http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/kickstart.html
Copy'n'paste:
Kickstart is a Red Hat package that deploys Red Hat to multiple
installation targets with minimal customisation. SystemImager is a
third-party tool that does a better job. http://systemimager.org/
fai (fully automated install) is a Debian-based tool to do likewise.
http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ Like System Imager, it's
suitable for building clusters.
Replicator is similar. http://replicator.sourceforge.net/ It tries to
do some customisation for differences in hard disk sizes, video cards,
etc.
Partition Image is a semi-automated tool for replicating a Linux
partition to multiple targets. http://www.partimage.org/
(Of course, you can also use an LNX-BBC maintenance disk and "dd"
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Re:Good analogy
using well-proven tactics as explained in Preventing DVD Playback on Linux Like Prohibition in the 1920's
okay..... So does this mean the emergence of the http://linuxmafia.com/ in the same vein as the bootleggers? -
Re:What about authentication
Well, it helps to look at the current SATA compat list for Linux first -- which has been pretty dismal so far (but slowly getting better):
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
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Re:Typical slashdot tripe.
>> "Microsoft isn't inherently evil, they're a company."
I'm afraid I have to disagree with this. Every company wants to win, but only companies where criminal activities are ignored or are actively encouraged will behave the way Microsoft does.
I suspect Microsoft has a long tradition of such actions. (weasel words added for cya)
They start with Bill Gates stealing the source code for Basic from his summer internship employer and selling it as "his" "Basic" which "worked- bug free" the first time he toggled it in.
Yeah, Bill, right.
Those who don't know their history are doomed to be scammed again and again.
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Legacy_Microsoft/altair- basic.html
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But rather than dwell on all that, I thought I'd address this bit about Bill Gates's "Open Letter to Hobbyists",[1] which Peter Belew dragged into the discussion.
Peter, I happen to be one of the old-timers, too, and my memory is perhaps a little better than yours. The letter was not to the Homebrew Computer Club (of which I was a member at the time), but rather to a the MITS Altair Users' Newsletter, in New Mexico. David Bunnell was then newsletter editor, and he lobbed a copy to us at the Homebrew club, among other people. Which is how we got it. (And this was in early 1976, not 1977.)
The letter caused quite a flap. For one thing, this complaint from the General Partner of "Micro-Soft" over in Albuquerque wasn't entirely honest. The software in question had been created on a taxpayer-subsidised PDP-10 (running an 8080 emulator) at Harvard, and also there was very strong, reasonable suspicion that Gates, Allen, and Davidoff had "borrowed" from several other people's BASIC inplementations without their authors' permission.
Also, and less relevantly, Micro-Soft was already getting a reputation for questionable business deals: -
Re:The floppyI suggest that you read this page on SATA support. Quote from the document:
Note: There is no such thing as a distribution or its installer (generically) "having SATA support" (or not). Please send anyone speaking in such terms to this page. (Some SATA chipsets have been supported since practically forever, as their programming interfaces are unchanged from PATA predecessors. Others are brand-new and require new drivers from scratch.)
So, just because the XP installer supported the SATA chipset on your motherboard, does not mean that the XP installer will support some other, newer SATA chipset. Hence your experience may not be duplicated by others. -
Re:could backfire
Yes, but included in the price of that laptop is the cost of OSX already.
So should we be able to demand a MacOS X Refund? Will Raymond dress up like Darth Vader for the rally??
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Re:Viriisuseses
If virus were directly transcribed from latin, the proper plural would be virii
No. There is no Latin plural. If there were, it would most likely be "virus" (4th declension) or "viri" (2nd declension). "virii" just isn't Latin, it's a joke.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.ht ml -
Re:Of course it should be Open Sourced.
Open Source: Where old software goes to die!
I thought they went to Computer Associates? [1] -
Re:Shutdown versus power off
You might want to read this http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.ht
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Re:I have the most secutiry...
nasty virii
Viruses. -
Please mod parent up.For the sake of language.
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VIRI is as much a scourge as VIRII
Off-topic, I know, but please, if you're going to go latin on us: the plural of virus would be viri, not virii...
I hate to disappoint you, but having "enjoyed" 6 years of Latin in school, let me point you to: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.ht ml -
Re:kernel bug fixes
I wish I could help you more. Anyway, I never use svgalib, I had found out that it was buggy (in much older kernels, like 2.2), that or the apps that were using it. It seems totally useless to me. And another thing, don't mess linux headers with glibc headers.
/usr/src/linux/include and /usr/include/linux shouldn't be the same http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Kernel/usr-src-linux-sym link.html. That is unless you compiled glibc yourself, but that is something you shouldn't do in an already unstable system. Well if you did, I would suggest to go back to the package provided by your distro. -
Don't believe the fakeraid
Note that this isn't true hardware raid, but actually what's called fake raid based on the ICH6-R chipset. Think of fakeraid like a winmodem but for RAID. Most of the work is done in software, and in practice, linux's software raid is usually faster than fakeraid anyways. Also note that fakeraid doesn't possess the battery-backed write caches that true hardware raid cards have, so you don't get any reliability improvements either.
The only real good (for linux users at least) that comes from this announcement is laptops with space for two drives that allow us to run software raid. -
Don't believe the fakeraid
Note that this isn't true hardware raid, but actually what's called fake raid based on the ICH6-R chipset. Think of fakeraid like a winmodem but for RAID. Most of the work is done in software, and in practice, linux's software raid is usually faster than fakeraid anyways. Also note that fakeraid doesn't possess the battery-backed write caches that true hardware raid cards have, so you don't get any reliability improvements either.
The only real good (for linux users at least) that comes from this announcement is laptops with space for two drives that allow us to run software raid. -
Re:Congrats
So the story here is 'Apple gives it away free with your hardware purchase' but when Dell 'gives away' Windows 'free' with their machines, we all get out picket signs and hold a Windows Refund Day rally.
What about people who buy Macs to run Linux on them? (I have Macs that run NetBSD, personally). Are they entitled to a MacOS Refund?
As you said, 'free is not the correct answer.'
I don't have a problem with the concept of profit. And anywaysI am mostly responding to the 'NextStep was really expensive because they don't sell hardware' excuse. Lots of things used to be expensive, software-wise. -
Re:Uh, why can't you have that now?I am not talking about programs. I am talking about kernel modules. Kernel modules link against the kernel directly, yet so long as they use a specific interface are allowed to consider themselves free from GPL obligations.
The Linux Kernel mailing list FAQ:# What is this about GPLONLY symbols?
* (REG) By default, symbols are exported using EXPORT_SYMBOL, so they can be used by loadable modules. During the 2.4 series, a new export directive EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL was added. This is almost the same thing, except that the symbol can only be accessed by modules which have a GPL compatible licence (note that this includes dual-licenced BSD/GPL code). This new directive was added for these reasons:
o To clarify the ambiguous legal ground on which non-GPL (particularly proprietary) modules lie. A strict reading of the GPL prohibits loading proprietary modules into the kernel. While Linus has consistently stated that proprietary modules are allowed (i.e. he has granted an explicit exemption), it is not clear that he is able to speak for all developers who have contributed to the Linux kernel. While many think Linus' edict means that all contributed code falls under this exemption granted by Linus, not everyone agrees that this is a legally sound argument. The new EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL directive makes the licence conditions explicit, and thus removes the legal ambiguity.
o To allow choice for developers who wish, for their own reasons, to contribute code which cannot be used by proprietary modules. Just as a developer has the right to distribute code under a proprietary licence, so too may a developer distribute code under an anti-proprietary licence (i.e. strict GPL).
Note that Linus has stated that existing symbols will not be switched to GPL-only. Developers of proprietary modules for Linux need not fear. Furthermore, it is quite unlikely that Linus will look favourably upon the introduction of new core driver APIs which are restricted to GPL-only modules. This would not be in the best interests of Linux. Linus has forwarded me a message he sent to someone else to clarify his views.
Here is a message from Linus explaining things further on the subject.
It has an opinion from Linus on what constitutes a derivative work and not (f.ex. that userland programs are not), but it is nothing more than an opinion.
This is not an opinion, nor is it Linus's. It is an explicit exemption in the GPL itself:However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable.
The problem with defining an interface is that the copyright holders (read: all of them) must approve every change to the interface.
Then make sure you do not accept code from other copyright holders unless they agree to let you determine the interface contents yourself. Looking above it appears Linus did not exactly do this, however others do not have to make this mistake. -
Re:Bill Gates on US Education
Anne Stilman can go suck Ann Coulter's dick for all I care. The OED says viruses.
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Re:Goes both ways
Launch Win98... on a Rocket!: http://www.svlug.org/events/launch98.shtml
Silicon Valley Tea Party: http://marc.merlins.org/linux/teaparty/
The Great Linux Revolt of '98: http://linuxmafia.com/svlug/
Of course attacks against BSDs weren't as public and were mostly discussed in private for strategies on how to 'deal' with them. -
... a list of my installed apps
As several people have indicated, Debian's dpkg --get-selections provides you with this. But it gets better.
Application configuration data is pretty much definitionally
/etc, which is why you want that backed up.In the "it gets better" department: Debian, being a policy-based distro, requires that all packages create a directory under
/usr/share/doc. Turns out you can use this to recover the data effectively held in your packages database, in the event you wipe out /var. In fact, I've scripted the recovery, after the idea was suggested by Nicholas Petreley, available here (among other places -- Osamu Aoki also includes it in his Debian Reference).Debian also stores a backup of your packages database (and other important data) in
/var/backups.So, yes, you're covered a couple of different ways, particularly if you maintain backups.
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Re:Garbage
You don't have to use a GUI - you can use cacls. And I don't see the issue with large amounts of users and groups - assign users to the correct groups, assign the groups the correct file permissions - it's no harder then any other OS. Just because it can get more intricate doesn't mean it can't be simple.
And Linux ACL support is spotty - tools like tar, cpio, pax, and dump don't preserve ACL data. The support also requires a filesystem patch or that you use specific distros (Fedora Core 2 comes to mind). It's also somewhat non-standardised. Not saying it can't be done, but the system used in Windows (which, I believe evolved from VMS ACLs) often works better.
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Re:What better way? Sue 'em...
You got a link to Gates' "letter of intent"?? Would be interesting to see. Does sound like his M.O.
I think you are referring to the Open Letter to Hobbyists . The text is here. -
Linux v. MSFT SW installs
This is only because GNU/Linux incompatibilities have forced their users into a single source for nearly all their software.
There's a nugget of truth to that comment, but it misses both more significant points and differences between the GNU/Linux way and the Microsoft way.
It also misses the point that you can, largely, install binary software on different GNU/Linux systems, so long as core dependencies (usually your glibc version) are satisfied. E.g.: Macromedia Flash, Opera, Oracle, Realplayer, and the like, generally under
/usr/local/ or /opt/. Though honestly I have very little proprietary software on my system.The real reason to go within your distro's package management system for software installation is that it's easier, faster, works better, and minimizes future administration needs -- rather than managing a slew of software packages independently, you do a systemwide update. You've also got a tremendous selection of software -- 15k+ packages in the most recent Debian stable. There's rarely a compelling reason to go outside the archive, though you can and are assured the packaging system won't interfere with your locally installed selections.
The reasons this is possible are largely: sources are available for the software you're installing (most GNU/Linux software is FSF Free Software / OSI Open Source), the distro itself doesn't have a horse in the race (it's not competing with the software developers, unlike the relationship between Microsoft and its ISVs), and systemwide policies can be implemented and enforced with a very high degree of uniformity (particularly in the case of Debian-based distros). There's also three clearly independent parties involved, each with a major voice in the process: the software developer, the distro / software packager, and the users. You get the benefit of review of the application by a users (independent of both the developer and the distro/packager). Microsoft simply doesn't have this degree of remove from the system as a whole -- it's competing with both software developers and its users over features and control.
The result isn't so much that users are forced to go within their distro's package management system for software, but that they choose to do so, and that a healthy distro culture (e.g.: Debian) provides very strong incentives and feedback loops for both developers and users to gain by this.
I've explored this at somewhat greater length in an article discussing malware on Microsoft and GNU/Linux systems respectively, Spyware, Adware, Windows, GNU/Linux, and Software Culture. Manoj Srivastava has a very good Why Linux, Why Debian talk covering the issue from a few other angles (and better technical understanding of the guts of Debian).
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An article about Linux viruses
I just finished reading an article on Linux viruses which I thought to be quite interesting. Here's the link.
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Re:SMS Spam is worse
FYI, the plural of virus is viruses.
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Re:Rising incidence of what now?
haahha you dont have a sense of humor do you..
that was a joke btw , just to stop other people with temper problems who dont "get it" having near heart attacks .
Calm down its only a typO and not hurting you .
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.ht ml btw there is the origion -
Virii doesn't make you look clever.
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Re: It is viruses, not virii
The plural of virus is viruses, see for more information the Wikipedia article or this article with references.
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Re:Lawsuits, the last refuge of the incompetent
"Windows - the first refuge of incompetent fans"
Gee Tim C- I guess you are either very lazy or you can't read, or if you can read you can't comprehend.
In your second block, reasons b,c, and d all follow from the "Windows is more popular" argument and are invalid. It is "a" that is true. please read below and read all the rest of the pointers in the parent.
Stolen without permission from:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=vir us#virus4
Isn't Microsoft Corporation's market dominance, making Linux an insignificant target, the only reason it doesn't have a virus problem?
Not at all. This question is virus pundits' pons asinorum: If they can't think past this fallacy, don't even try to reason with them, as they're hopelessly mired in rationalisation.
( The fifth proposition, book i., of Euclid?the first difficult theorem, which dunces rarely get over for the first time without stumbling. It is anything but a ?bridge;? it is really "pedica asinorum", the ?dolt?s stumbling-block.? )
The speaker's supposition is that virus writers will (like himself/herself) ignore anything the least bit unfamiliar, and attack only the most-common user software and operating systems, thus explaining why Unix viruses are essentially unknown in the field. This is doubly fallacious:
1. It ignores Unix's dominance in a number of non-desktop specialties, including Web servers and scientific workstations. A virus/trojan/worm author who successfully targeted specifically Apache httpd Linux/x86 Web servers would both have an extremely target-rich environment and instantly earn lasting fame, and yet it doesn't happen.
2. Even aside from that, it completely fails to account for observed fact: Assume that only 1% of Internet-reachable hosts run x86 Linux (a conservative figure). Assume that only one virus writer out of 1000 targets Unixes. Then, given the near-instant communication across the Net that at this writing is blitzing my Linux Web server with dozens of futile probes for the Microsoft "Nimda" vulnerability per second, the product of that one virus writer's work should be a nagging problem on Linux machines everywhere ? and he/she will be working very hard to achieve that, given the bragging rights he/she would gain. Yet, it's not there. Where is it?
The answer is that, for various reasons discussed in prior essays, such code is very easy to write, but ? given minimally competent system maintenance (including the automated kind, cited below) ? completely impractical to propagate. And likely to remain so.
Submittors Note: For those actually interested in and capable really thinking, please read the rest of the essay. (follow the URL above) -
Re:Lawsuits, the last refuge of the incompetentHow exactly would you suggest that they improve their software to prevent spam and phishing?"
Easy:
Build a PGP based site identity verification infrastructure deployed in the DNS distributed style with trusted root servers.
Add an automatic PGP site identity verifaction to web browsing (IE) and email (Outlook,Exchange) which uses that infrastructure.
Make all the IP needed to implement same F/OSS and pay for the hardware and web connections of the root servers, which would be serving mostly tier 1 and 2 internet carriers. MS could even use the existing DNS and PGP code bases.
Improve the security of MS-Win software so that its at least as difficult to zombie a Win system as it is a Linux system.
Ahem, for those who think that Win systems are zombied more frequently simply because there are more of them, please do some googling and look at all the articles describing how Microsoft's design decisions are the actual reasons why MS systems are the chief virii carriers and propagators on the net.
Here is one:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=vi
r us#virus4/And an excellent overview of the design/architectural differences beween OSes is here:
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For the last time people ...
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Re:Don't kid yourself.It is the least impressive of Einstein's work of 1905 although, curiously, the most cited.
Random theory: perhaps this is related to the bike shed effect. The observation for this effect is that "getting permission to build a billion-dollar atomic power plant is easy, but a proposal to build a cheap bicycle shed will founder under the weight of endless discussion." This is theorised to be because "an atomic plant is so vast, expensive, and complicated that people cannot grasp it, rather than try, they'll fall back on the assumption that somebody else checked details before it got that far. However, everyone knows all about bicycle sheds, and feels no inhibition against debating their pettiest details without limit."
Perhaps more people work on diffusion effects of sugar in water because this is a more down-to-earth thing to think about drinking your coffee in the morning...
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Re:Forks are bad(Normally I wouldn't reply to an AC, but this sort of thing annoys the shit out of me and you actually appear to be serious).
YOU should learn correct use of the ENGLISH language. Virii is the CORRECT plural form of virus. It is a VERY common misconception that the plural is "viruses", which is AWFUL English.
To summarise, "virii" isn't the plural of "virus" because "vir" has nothing to do with "virus". Or, even more bluntly, "virii" simply isn't a valid word.
I don't know about "Unixii", but truely, [...]
(The irony here is almost palpable).
[...] it seems like the best way to speak of multiple Unix environments with one word.
Maybe if you want to pretend you know Latin it does, but *correct English speakers* will use the term "unixes".
Look it up, there are quite a few words that use "i" or "ii" at the end to make them plural.
Indeed, there are. But neither "virus" nor "unix" is one of them.
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OSS software configuration management tools - refsFor some info on OSS configuration management tools, including references to many of them, see Comments on OSS/FS Software Configuration Management (SCM) Systems. That paper, in turn, references lots of other pages on the topic:
"The better SCM initiative was established to encourage improved OSS/FS SCM systems, by discussing and comparing them. Among other things, see their comparison file. Zooko has written a short review of OSS/FS SCM tools. Shlomi Fish's OnLamp.com article compares various CM systems as does his Evolution of a Revision Control User. The arch folks have developed a comparison of arch with Subversion and CVS (obviously, they like arch). Another pro-arch discussion is Why the Future is Distributed. A pro-subversion discussion is available at Dispelling Subversion FUD. Slashdot had a discussion when Subversion 1.0 was announced. Kernel traffic posted a summary of a technical discussion about BitKeeper. Brad Appleton has collected lots of interesting SCM links. jemfinch has some interesting essays about SCMs (he uses the term VCS), including why he thinks the approach to branches used by Darcs, Arch, and Bazaar-ng is a poor one. A brief overview of SCM systems that can run on Linux is available."
There are lots of OSS/FS software configuration management (SCM) tools. CVS, Subversion (SVN), and GNU arch get lots of press, but there are many others such as Aegis, CVSNT, Darcs, FastCST, OpenCM, Vesta, Codeville, Bazaar and Bazaar-NG.
You might also take a peek at my paper Software Configuration Management (SCM) Security.
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Why Linux won't ForkI never said KDE was a fork of GNOME or vice versa. I was just illustrating that having parallel platforms stagnates progress. The point is the same.
Well, because your premise was wrong, it sort of invalidates the conclusion you made. But let's suppose you were talking about BSD/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD - for some interesting reading on real forks, read this article about Why Linux Won't Fork.
And regardless, the vast majority of Windows apps DO look the same and use native widgets, have buttons in the same place, have the same menu items, use the same keyboard shortcuts, and can copy-paste damn near anything between each other.
Interesting, I was just reading that had KDE used CORBA for their architecture, as did Gnome (Bonobo/ORBit), you *would* be able to cut & paste between these window environments. No such luck, as, in hindsight, KDE while initially trying MICO, went with their own KParts. Might as well have been proprietary. However, it seems KDE is now rethinking this idea.
The Linux offerings don't come close, because they won't standardize.
SWT, which is what Eclipse uses, certainly comes close, as it relies on native widgets. Unfortunately, their GTK bindings apparently perfrom rather poorly, in comparison to the windows bindings. The Motif bindings are better, but it does illustrate the difficulty in supporting the various different GUI toolkits.
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Not Only That, But...Justice Management Division
What package do you suppose they use for Justice Management?
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Re:Virus vendors eh?
Virii is not the plural of virus:
linky
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Some setups would be pretty close to unique
It would probably help if they'd discovered that you can put an SSH server up on XP so that bandwidth isn't such an issue.
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The Net is a concensus reality
Routing of packets, and resolution of DNS (for the non-geek reading this, and yes, I mean you: the system that converts host names (like www.ibm.com) to computer-friendly IP addresses (like 129.42.18.99)) are ultimately at the control of the user, not the sender.
So, yes: what I've done is create a list of domains for which I'm not interested in their cr*p (doubleclick and X10 were two of the first additions). And all traffic, thanks to my local DNS server (yeah, it sounds like I'm geeking out, but it's not that tough) goes to a local webserver. Just one of the Linux boxes on the LAN. It serves up a clear gif. Not even a proper "proxy" server, just some DNS hackery.
I had similar ways of combatting spyware servers and other problems, at a tech lab for the local Boys & Girls Club. Web filtering software for the obvious stuff. A list of ~60,000 domains which were denied access (culled from spammer lists and such). And for a few bad boys, firewall denial of all incoming and outgoing to known bad IPs. Staff boxes were a mass of viruses and spyware, but the systems 350 kids ran were clean, despite running MS WinXP.
While I'll freely admit that setting this up takes a wee bit of technical skills now, there's really no reason it should. And zero-configuration tools to provide similar capabilities to Joe & Jane Sixpack would be most excellent.
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Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
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Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
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Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
-
Bug 1103753: Rendering bug: overlapping columns
Robin: There's a few bugs filed on this, my own is 1103753, which includes an attached screenshot. The actual bug can show up in a number of different ways, though this is common. Sometimes (usually in the relationships / user settings pages) all the content is pushed a screenwidth to the right, rendered as black text on black background. Annoying to say the least.
Response is that the bug is a browser fault. but I'd return that until Slashdot presents something remotely approching standards-compliant HTML, you've got a problem here.
The upside is that I'm using the "light" user prefs setting and a custom stylesheet to give the page the "Slashdot" look. Or any other page. Some fun....:
Slashdot:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand
a rd.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
n o-css.png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/lite-
w ith-css.png
The stylesheet itself is available as:
http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/slash
d ot-lite.cssMisc sites:
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/craigdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot.p
n g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/karstendot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/useitdot.pn
g - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/dandot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/microsoftdo
t .png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/registerdot
. png - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/w3cdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/ibmdot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/nytimesdot.
p ng - http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/scodot.png
- http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/SlashdotLite/stand