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The Yellow Machine in Review

We recently had in the office one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions. The Yellow Machine, in a nutshell, is a pretty looking machine roughly the size of a decent UPS box that's got either 1 TB or 1.6 TB of storage space, with the all RAID fun and such. We ran with it here for about a month or so. My impressions are below.

So, the machine itself is, well, uh, cute. Bright yellow, good clear display lights so that you can see traffic on the different drives. The drives themselves are IDE drives, so yeah, you don't get the speed of SCSI, but frankly, if you are looking for 1.6 TB of SCSI, you probably need to look at jbods or the like. But since the unit is really designed to be an office storage environment, that's probably just fine.

Feature-wise, the unit has almost everything that you want. What is interesting to me, that I haven't seen in many NAS units is that it's got a double firewall. The interface for handling network isn't quite as nice, as say, a wireless unit, but it's decent. You can have the machine sit as your connection to your WAN (it handles DHCP, static IP) do port-forwarding and all those other fun things. The primary problem that I had was actually the config of first getting it setup, but that didn't take much time once I actually read the manual. *grin* It will also do web-access controls for users, monitor e-mails sent, a whole slew of other stuff.

The network support is robust. It does SMB/NFS, and supports Windows and Mac as desktop clients, and does indeed work under Linux as well based on my testing. All of the interface work is done via HTTP so as long as you've got a somewhat recent flavor of web browser, you'll be dandy although it's optimized for IE6. The unit is surprisingly quiet - many times, while I was at my desk (it sat under there) I forgot it was there and kicked it over. It still works fine after that, BTW.

In terms of speed and performance, nothing hugely different then normal network file transfers, but that's more a function of network traffic/speed then anything else. The device handled multiple people using (it has permissions built-in) easily, and did uploads & downloads of big VOB files, MP3 directories, normal files - it shrugged it off. The major issue is pricing; the 1 TB is about $1300. Now, for the DIY crowd, yes, using Linux you could very easily put together a RAID 5, 1 TB machine for not that much more -- and you are probably going to do it anyway. But for the target market, especially situations in which the IT resources are limited, it's a great machine for the ease of setting it up. And since it supports doing automated back-ups as well as has the serial port to work with a UPS system, you don't have to worry about the whole crapping out and losing all of your data. All in all, a great unit. Price is a concern, but a minor one.

265 comments

  1. Slashdot rating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    8/10 :)

    1. Re:Slashdot rating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      "Double firewall and integrated router and WAN-gateway" on the same maschine that stores all your data.

      Very secure indeed.

    2. Re:Slashdot rating... by Loonacy · · Score: 1

      I find it difficult to give a good rating to a story that includes a *grin*. That's just as bad as if he'd done a ROTFLMGDAO.
      I was somewhat interested in it until I hit that part, then I just stopped reading. I couldn't take the poster seriously anymore.

    3. Re:Slashdot rating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh yeah?!!!

      Well I have a double double firewall!
      Beat that, beeeeeotch!

    4. Re:Slashdot rating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even the most secure firewalls are still useless if enough user stupidity as laying around.

      and whoever created that ultra mega giga box that's described in the article, missed a few points

      a) nobody really wants to by 1 "i do it all" box for that money
      b) all-in-one machines are usually really bad at all that they do
      c) this is toooooo expensive for what it offers. you can take a regular sempron box, raid it from london to new york and back and still come out a lot cheaper.

  2. Wow by netkid91 · · Score: 0, Funny

    The ultamite file server, now where is the bandwith available to the general pulic to get any use out of such a device?

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    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Comcast cable in the northeast corner of the United States and I pay extra for the higher speed tier they offer. It's about $70 (w/ basic television channels) a month for 8 mbps down, 768 kbps up. (1024 KBps down 96 KBps up). 1MB a second! Assuming 1TB = (1024MB * 1024GB) = 1,048,576MB or the same number of seconds which works out to 291.27 hours or 12 days worth of transfer at 1MBps. That's also assuming I could max the connection out (I rarely can, except with concurrent transfers). I could fill this thing in a few months of normal use. (Legal downloads only, I assure you!)

  3. WTF by mrtroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am not going to try and understand the next few paragraphs of a review that starts with
    "with the all RAID fun and such."

    What in the hell does that mean?

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    1. Re:WTF by hahiss · · Score: 5, Funny

      (Un)Surprisingly, the first sentence is completely incomprehensible:

      ``We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions."

      What, precisely, was it that they heard while standing over one of these machines? ;)

      Perhaps we shouldn't nit-pick, because the device is supposed to be used in an office ``environmemt"---one, presumably, that is bereft of a spell checker.

      Do they pay the editors here? With real money?

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    2. Re:WTF by timbck2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe he was trying to say they could hear over the noise generated by the thing?

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    3. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a big box of disks. B-O-R-I-N-G.

    4. Re:WTF by vbrtrmn · · Score: 1

      If you read it really fast, try not to pay too much attention, and throw in a bit of dyslexia plenty of sense.

      Translates to:
      "We recently heard about the Yellow Machine from Anthology Solutions."
      or
      "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."

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    5. Re:WTF by dchamp · · Score: 1

      I read that sentence 5 times, and it still makes not sense to me.

    6. Re:WTF by dchamp · · Score: 1

      D'oh! I pulled a Hemos.

      "... makes no sense to me".

    7. Re:WTF by MaggieL · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you read it really fast, try not to pay too much attention, and throw in a bit of dyslexia plenty of sense.

      You might not even notice sentences that no verb.

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    8. Re:WTF by lewp · · Score: 1

      Way to Hemos it up! *high five*

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    9. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ants, cockroaches, and other bugs: RAID!?!?!?!?!

      *boom*

    10. Re:WTF by capedgirardeau · · Score: 1


      Actually my guess is the spell checker was the problem.

      It looks to me like the sentence should have been:

      "We recently had here in the office..."

      He probably misspelled 'here' and the spell checker's best guess was 'heard' and he just accepted it without really looking.

      Spell check errors lead to what look like gramatical errors with correctly spelled words.

      Regards.

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    11. Re:WTF by crashelite · · Score: 1

      dont u see he works in an office and there are a bunch of these "yellow machine" and one was talking to him and said "made by Anthology Solutions"

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  4. Er? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions"

    Parse Error at line 1.

    Core Dump...

  5. Yellow Box by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yellow Box love you LONG time!

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    1. Re:Yellow Box by Pope · · Score: 1

      Now, now, call it Cocoa like Apple wants you to!

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    2. Re:Yellow Box by SillySnake · · Score: 1

      I did some research, and even at $1300, it still seems to be cheaper than one of those female "girlfriend" things I hear about on here from time to time.. I mean, who needs one when you have your moms basement?

    3. Re:Yellow Box by darkmeridian · · Score: 0, Troll

      Please mod parent down. Why do racial jokes get modded up?

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    4. Re:Yellow Box by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm half Chinese, I wrote it, and I think it's funny. I suppose you're the guy who hates "Blazing Saddles" because the black sheriff says "Where the white women at?"

      Lighten up. Racism takes the form of lynching, discrimination, and unequal distribution of the products of our society. Notice that jokes are not in that list.

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    5. Re:Yellow Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Twoo !

    6. Re:Yellow Box by Baorc · · Score: 1

      I usually don't do "me too" posts but, touché.

    7. Re:Yellow Box by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Discrimination is finding a difference. Clearly, racial jokes are based on exploiting these differences while perpetuating stereotypes. They may be funny but represent discrimination. So imagine you are at work and all your white co-workers make racial jokes. And you laugh because you think it's funny. Then you do not get a job promotion that you think you should have gotten. You can't prove there was discrimination and you can't be sure but the fact that there were so many jokes makes you uncomfortable.

      So yeah, racial jokes are funny until you get the shaft.

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    8. Re:Yellow Box by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are free to pucker your ass as tight as you like, and I am free to laugh at you if you want to trivialize race problems/issues to the point where you blame them on jokes.

      If all your white cow-orkers are making racial jokes at work, that's clearly a job for HR. Last I checked, we're on Slashdot, and we make jokes about all kinds of things here. That does not mean that Slashdot and every person who posts an ethnic joke supports racism in any way.

      Finally, my jokes don't discriminate against anyone in any way. Go ahead and try me. Pick a race or ethnicity. Go ahead. I got jokes for everybody.

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    9. Re:Yellow Box by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      I'm half Chinese, I wrote it, and I think it's funny.

      Of course you do. The reference is to the Vietnamese.

    10. Re:Yellow Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked, "Vietnamese" wasn't a race??? XD

    11. Re:Yellow Box by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Oh for fuck's sake. You're a moron.

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    12. Re:Yellow Box by QuesarVII · · Score: 1
      Go ahead and try me. Pick a race or ethnicity. Go ahead. I got jokes for everybody.
      Ok. I call. How about New Zealanders?
    13. Re:Yellow Box by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love a good sport, so here goes:

      "there are 50 million sheep in New Zealand, 3.5 million
      of them think they are people"

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      Albert Einstein and the New Zealand Economist

      "When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity". The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace". The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then asked, "So what is your forecast for the budget deficit next year?"

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  6. Yellow? by thewiz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Nice unit, but I'd prefer a green machine!

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    1. Re:Yellow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yellow should be the best color for the Wiz.

  7. Price by Jupix · · Score: 5, Funny

    The major issue is pricing; the 1 TB is about $1300.
    Price is a concern, but a minor one.

    So.. You think it's a cute looking box? I think so too. In my opinion, it's quite ugly. Very pretty, if I may say so.

    1. Re:Price by tacocat · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a Vogon Cruiser

    2. Re:Price by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Yellow Machines hung in the air in much the same way that bricks don't.

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  8. English comp was never my strong subject by winkydink · · Score: 0, Redundant

    We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions.

    Somebody please parse this sentence for me?

    Pretty please?

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    1. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While were at it how about defining fuction?
      but that's more of fuction
      I'm not sure if I want one or not now.

    2. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The major issue is pricing; the 1 TB is about $1300. Now, for the DIY crowd, yes, using Linux you could very easily put together a RAID 5, 1 TB machine for not that much more -- and you are probably going to do it anyway. But for the target market, especially situations in which the IT resources are limited, it's a great machine for the ease of setting it up.

      What does this mean? Is it cheap? Or expensive? A DIY solution would cost more ... so it's too expensive?

    3. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by RonBurk · · Score: 2
      Another sloppy-to-the-point-of-unintellible SlashDot synopsis.

      Geez, I know I don't pay for a subscription, and I know SlashDot doesn't claim to be any kind of professional writing at all, but...

      When your website's one-and-only purpose for existing is to communicate information, don't you think it's worth at least minor efforts to avoid miscommunication like this?

      It's really not that hard, either. You could probably find a highly qualified copyeditor or three who could do such small piece-work on demand from home for a very modest fee. Or, if you have zero budget for improving quality, simply having each non-professional writer require a careful reading of their piece from one or two of the other non-professional writers there before posting ought to prevent complete garbage like this sentence from making it in.

      Please consider doing something to improve your process. Some mistakes are funny, but total opacity is not so entertaining.

    4. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody please parse this sentence for me?

      Well, I ran it through babelfish a whole bunch of times and got this:

      "I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!"

    5. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny
      What he meant to say was: "We office one of the Yellow Machine recently in the over had that's made heard by Anthology Solutions."

      This hope I helps.

    6. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another sloppy-to-the-point-of-unintellible SlashDot synopsis.

      Are you sure you didn't mean...

      Another sloppy-to-the-point-of-unintellible SlashDot Slashvertisement.

    7. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Unintellible" indeed.

    8. Re:English comp was never my strong subject by gnomes · · Score: 1

      Thanks! That's more better.

  9. Is this made by Ronco? by green+pizza · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Unless this is made by Ronco I think they might have a problem using the "Set It And Forget It" slogan.

  10. Other cheap NAS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I really want is a small, elegant compact form factor with the ability to add 4 drives in RAID 0, 1, 4, 5, 10.

    +Gigabit ethernet with at least the ability to push 30MB/sec sequential transfers
    +hot-swap capability (so probably SATA disks)
    +NFS, SMB, HTTP, FTP

    So far I haven't found anything like it. The Buffalo terastation has gigabit ethernet, but its measly CPU can't push more than 10MB/sec.

    Of course my definition of elegant will differ from others...

    I'd be willing to pay $1500 for a 2TB home NAS station.

    1. Re:Other cheap NAS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read reviews of the Infrant NAS where it mopped the floor with the Terastation on transfer speed. Getting 2TB for a reasonable price will be tough though because that would require 500GB drives and they are still well overpriced.

  11. All I want is... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    All I want in a box(en) like this are:

    1: Cheap
    2: Reliable (e.g. RAID mirroring or 5)
    3: Decent performance.
    4: No special drivers required (unlike Netgear SC101)
    5: Cheap.

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    1. Re:All I want is... by Lxy · · Score: 1

      Sorry buddy. You options are good, fast, and cheap. You can only have 2. Good luck!

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    2. Re:All I want is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could do much better with that acronym. How about:

      Cheap
      Reliable
      Acceptable performance
      Pretty

    3. Re:All I want is... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      How much is your time worth? If it's not very much, then get yourself an embedded AMD Geode board that can boot from Flash and a mini-PCI RAID card. Install Linux/BSD on the flash drive and boot from that. Run Samba and nfsd (and maybe netatalk) to serve files from the RAID array. This gives you flexibility (you can upgrade the disks whenever you want) and lowish cost (the main board will cost under $200, and the drives cost whatever you're willing to pay). Since the RAID is done in hardware, all the CPU has to do is shift bits from one DMA channel to another, and a 266MHz Geode should be able to handle this competently at 100Mbit speeds. The shares will be NFS, SMB and AppleTalk (if this matters to you), so no drivers will be needed.

      The total setup time will probably be to the order of about a day, but if that's not important to you then you can probably pay less than you would for an off-the-shelf solution.

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    4. Re:All I want is... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat. That being said, I just picked up an off-lease Proliant with dual Xeon 1 gHz processors, 2 GB RAM, and 5 SCSI hard drives (RAID 5), with room for 7 more drives, redundant, hot-swappable power supplies and fans for $500. There are a LOT of massive servers coming onto the market now that were paid for with VC money during the dot-com days (5 year amortization). I'm guessing that the box we're getting was probably barely used by a dot-com with no customers and no product but with too much VC money. I mean, I run a moderatly-trafficed web site and I can't even come *close* to maxxing out a machine like this. We'll be using this machine to run web servers, mail servers, a few RDBMS's, a point-of-sale system, etc.

    5. Re:All I want is... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      By "off lease" do you mean 'from the back of a van downtown'? And do they scratch the serial numbers off and wipe the drives, or is that part of the self installation?

      Seriously, where does one go to get a deal like that? I'd take one for each foot.

      I guess there aren't enough dying dot-coms where I am or something.

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    6. Re:All I want is... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      I got mine off of ubid.com. I've bought lots of machines there... mostly refurbished, lots of time with manufacturer warranty. None on ubid right now, but there are a shitload on ebay (search for "Proliant", since those were the popular ones with ISPs and dot-commers). Personally, I wouldn't even buy a toothbrush from ebay, but if you're someone who doesn't mind dealing with that clusterfuck, there are some incredible deals out there right now on all of these servers coming off-lease from the dot-com era.

    7. Re:All I want is... by dfreed · · Score: 1

      Where do I get a mini-pci RAID card? I looked and could not find one.

    8. Re:All I want is... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      There are a few about, but it would probably work out cheaper to get something like this and plug in a cheap PCI hardware RAID card. Mini PCI is electrically identical to 3.3V PCI, the only difference is the form factor. If you are building a custom unit you can probably get a case with enough space to take a full-sized PCI slot. If you really don't have the space, then ASUS makes a small range of mini PCI RAID cards including one that supports U320 (although I've not seen it at under $350).

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  12. Re:confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a sentance?????

    is sentance a word?????

  13. Funny... by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This machine's design reminds me of a toaster. They should put the floppy drive on top so it would really look like one that toasts floppies

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    1. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it could have two CD/DVD writers on the top. Then it could toast (burn) discs... ha... ha... *sigh*

    2. Re:Funny... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      lol, exactly

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  14. me too! by chaves · · Score: 1

    Is that a sentance?????

    Is that a word?????

    ;)
  15. What about authentication by plebeian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nowhere on their site does is list any support for remote authentication. If I need a cheep solution I will set up an old desktop running Linux and get a SATA RAID card.

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    1. Re:What about authentication by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      Well, it helps to look at the current SATA compat list for Linux first -- which has been pretty dismal so far (but slowly getting better):

      http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
      http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html

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  16. This day shall live on in infamy. by Mille+Mots · · Score: 5, Funny
    As the day that /. jumped the shark.

    30 NOV 05: Not content with mere duplicate stories, Hemos started posting incoherent ramblings.

    1. Re:This day shall live on in infamy. by BarryNorton · · Score: 2, Funny

      What had mean you over? *grin*

    2. Re:This day shall live on in infamy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Even better, after seeing all the flames, he went back and edited his article and it still reads like something written by a second grader who doesn't pay attention during English class. For example, this sentence drew a lot of snide commentary:

      The device handled multiple people using (it has permissions built-in) eaisly, and do uploads & downloads of big VOB files, MP3 directories, normal files - it shrugged it off.

      ...so he edited it to this:

      The device handled multiple people using (it has permissions built-in) easily, and did uploads & downloads of big VOB files, MP3 directories, normal files - it shrugged it off.

      Bravo, Hemos! Bang up job you're doing there!

      Original Version:

      We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions. The Yellow Machine, in a nutshell, is a pretty looking machine roughly the size of a decent UPS box that's got either 1 TB or 1.6 TB of storage space, with the all RAID fun and such. We ran with it here for about a month or so. My impressions are below.

      So, the machine itself is, well, uh, cute. Bright yellow, good clear display lights so that you can see traffic on the different drives. The drives themselves are IDE drives, so yeah, you don't get the speed of SCSI, but frankly, if you are looking for 1.6 TB of SCSI, you probably need to look at jbods or the like. But since the unit is really designed to be an office storage environmemt, that's probably just fine.

      Feature-wise, the unit has almost everything that you want. What is interesting to me, that I've haven't seen in many NAS units is that it's got a double firewall. The interface for handling network isn't quite as nice, as say, a wireless unit, but it's decent. You can have the machine sit as your connection to your WAN (it handles DHCP, static IP) do port-forwarding and all those other fun things. The primary problem that I had was actually the config of first getting it setup, but that didn't take much time once I actually read the manual. *grin* It will also do web-access controls for users, monitor e-mails sent, a whole slew of other stuff.

      The network support is robust. It does SMB/NFS, and supports Windows and Mac as desktop clients, and does indeed work under Linux as well based on my testing. All of the interface work is done via HTTP so as long as you've got a somewhat recent flavor of web browser, you'll be dandy although it's optimized for IE6. The unit is suprisingly quiet - many times, while I was at my desk (it sat under there) I forgot it was there and kicked it over. It still works fine after that, BTW.

      In terms of speed and performance, nothing hugely different then normal network file transfers, but that's more of fuction of network traffic/speed then anything else. The device handled multiple people using (it has permissions built-in) eaisly, and do uploads & downloads of big VOB files, MP3 directories, normal files - it shrugged it off. The major issue is pricing; the 1 TB is about $1300. Now, for the DIY crowd, yes, using Linux you could very easily put together a RAID 5, 1 TB machine for not that much more -- and you are probably going to do it anyway. But for the target market, especially situations in which the IT resources are limited, it's a great machine for the ease of setting it up. And since it supports doing automated back-ups as well as has the serial port to work with a UPS system, you don't have to worry about the whole crapping out and losing all of your data. All in all, a great unit. Price is a concern, but a minor one.

      Current Version (14:20 EST):

      We recently had in the office one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions. The Yellow Machine, in a nutshell, is a pretty looking machine roughly the size of a decent UPS box that's got either 1 TB or 1.6 TB of storage space, with the all RAID fun and such. We ran wi

  17. Price a problem? by WarwickRyan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $1300 isn't exactly expensive for an 1tb NAS device.

    1. Re:Price a problem? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      $1300 isn't exactly expensive for an 1tb NAS device.

      Hemos is catering to the crowd - a crowd that he knows will invariably say "I can buy a stack of 5 250GB drives for X...why would anyone buy this? I can do it myself!". Price might not seem to be a problem on a network admin site, but it is on a "techie" site.

      Then again, more and more people on here are confused by ridiculously commonplace acronyms. RAID in this story (already we've seen the "OMG! DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME!" posts about this ridiculously pedestrian acronym), but the same thing is happening lately in every story that isn't written for a technical n00b just entering the industry to be a "HTML programmer".

    2. Re:Price a problem? by flakier · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is quite a bit more than similar non-windows embedded NAS products. http://www.shopbuffalotech.com/ has a 1TB terastation for a cool grand. You can go even lower if you do some careful shopping.

      The only NAS boxes I've seen recently in this price range all ran that winders storage server thing. Those actually do have one pretty nice feature: all the users and groups come from active directory if you're in that kind of environment. I'm not sure if any of these linux running ones do that yet.

      Add a $50 linksys router and you've got everything this POS has.

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    3. Re:Price a problem? by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 1

      Whats a "n00b"?

    4. Re:Price a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not a price problem.

      It is a usefullness problem.

      WTF are you goign to do with 1TB.

      we need more storage for our database.

      unfortunatly we can't use NAS with MSSQL.

      unfortunatly our vendor uses MSSQL.

      we basically wasted a fuck load of money.

      but hey, at least we have a convienent place to keep easy access backups.

    5. Re:Price a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, Hemos says "The major issue is pricing", but then in another breath he says that "using Linux you could very easily put together a RAID 5, 1 TB machine for not that much more". So in other words, if you can buy it for cheaper than you can DIY, then it is probably fabulously cheap. Hemos seems to think it ought to be free or something.

      He also says that if you want 1TB of SCSI speed, you should go with JBOD - does he have any idea of the business computing world? If you want speed and space, you almost implicitly want reliability too, so you would go with SCSI RAID 5 with online spare at least. I guess you don't know these things if you've never held a real job in your life.

    6. Re:Price a problem? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      yeah, Hemos says "The major issue is pricing", but then in another breath he says that "using Linux you could very easily put together a RAID 5, 1 TB machine for not that much more".

      I took from that the premise that a general purpose machine would be a better choice than a NAS system (not really true, but I mean I think that's what he was implying).

    7. Re:Price a problem? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      unfortunatly we can't use NAS with MSSQL.

      Why can't you use NAS with MSSQL? Lots of people do, so I'm not quite sure what your problem with it is.

      Of course any large scale database is going to start spitting chunks if you are doing all I/O through an ethernet cable (versus a SAN fiber channel or the like).

    8. Re:Price a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, they do.

      MS does not officially support it. In MSSQL 2000 at least.

      Kinda hard to put critical data on a non supported platform.

    9. Re:Price a problem? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      MS does not officially support it. In MSSQL 2000 at least.

      Kinda hard to put critical data on a non supported platform.


      Microsoft supports it (with compliant hardware), they just don't recommend it (for very obvious reasons, and they force you to enable a documented trace flag if you plan on doing it).

    10. Re:Price a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They support it in the sense that it can be done. They won't offer support in the event of a failure.

    11. Re:Price a problem? by CoderBob · · Score: 1

      I've had Windows Storage Server 2k3 give me some tremendous problems that I'm still trying to track the cause of down.

      A client purchased a NAS with Storage Server on it, threw all of their Clarion apps and data on it, as well as all of their Office data (Spreasheets, documents, etc.)

      Long story short, a process that ran on an old- Pentium 3- Novell box in 20 minutes was now taking an hour and a half. A two hour data maintenance app was running in...8 hours.

      Moved all the data to shared folders on one of the redundant Domain controllers with similar hardware, and it runs faster than the old Novell stuff now.

    12. Re:Price a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    13. Re:Price a problem? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      Which part are you pointing me to? This part:

      "Microsoft Windows servers and networked servers or NAS storage servers that are Windows Hardware Quality Lab (WHQL) certified automatically meet the data write ordering and write-through guarantees required to support a SQL Server storage device. Microsoft supports both application and storage-related issues in these configurations."

    14. Re:Price a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the part where 2 years ago, there were no WHQL NAS devices on the market and the part where the Knowledge base has been updated since.

      forget it.

    15. Re:Price a problem? by big+tex · · Score: 1

      Apparently, you.

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  18. Bonus feature: terrabytes right out of the box... by digitaldc · · Score: 1, Funny

    all start singing...."We all live in a Yellow Machine, a Yellow Machine, a Yellow Machine... haha"

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  19. Hmm, use for 1.6TB of network storage by wesley96 · · Score: 1

    Me, I'll just use that to serve porn wirelessly so I can watch it on my PSP in my, ah... bed.

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  20. Re:confused by CortoMaltese · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Is that a sentance?????

    Is that a word???

  21. Code, please! by ettlz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I understand correctly, the user manual states that the appliance uses the Linux kernel... if this is so, has anyone found a link on their web-site to any GPL'd code included with the software updates?

    1. Re:Code, please! by sam0737 · · Score: 1

      I am not a expert of this...But if they are using standard kernel, standard software, everything standard with no hacking done, do they still have to release it? or do they have to tell you which version they are using?

  22. Isn't this like... by ShadoHawk · · Score: 0

    ...one of the old sun appliances; just with more harddrive space? I still have a Qube3 at home. It's nice to take to lan parties for doing DHCP, DNS, and serving updates for the poor saps whos games are not up to date.

    The feature set looks pretty much the same. Only real differences appear to be drive space and display. My Qube does DHCP, DNS, Firewall, E-Mail (SMTP/POP3), SMB, can act as a domain controller, web server, and I even compiled Verlihub to run on it.

  23. Now, for my review of the review! by UncleRage · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, the review was super froody! Yeah, you know Linux was mentioned and that was neat. I read it on a pretty modern webbrowser, but I suppose that IE would've been great, too.

    The reviewer spent some time talking about things, which was cool in my book. At one point, I actually considered looking into one of the technical things mentioned, but didn't as it would've broken the flavor of the review.

    All in all, it was a pretty fun review -- I had some laughs and a couple of good cries. For the DIY crowd, you could google the info yourself -- which, you'll probably do anyhow. But for the Suits who want to spend some money and not learn much (much less than say... the spec sheet: http://www.anthologysolutions.com/products/P400T_D ataSheet.pdf -- or even the basic breakdown: http://www.anthologysolutions.com/products/index.h tm ) then, hey give this rather cute review a shot!

    Thanks for the darling review. I feel much peppier now. =/

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    1. Re:Now, for my review of the review! by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 1

      You left out a *grin*, and maybe a "lollers".

    2. Re:Now, for my review of the review! by ginbot462 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I saw a review of a review on slashdot today. I got to say, all-in-all, it was good but short. Length was a issue, but not a major one. If it was to I read it long, then short is better *grin*.

      Duplication of the previous style, with a side of satire was nice. Personally, I love the freeing ability that not having to spell/grammer check allows me to review. Kind of like driving in Italy.

      To all you reviewers of reviewers of reviewers out there, I'd say give it a shot. The cuteness and lending to overall recursion is nice. And the ability to talk like you snorted coke in one hole and valium in the other is great.

      For an only-slightly related, but random link try:
      http://www.infinitecat.com/infinite/cat-html/793.h tml

      I may have work at a site, but doesn't mean I have to preview anymore than the lowly readers.

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  24. Kano Technologies by futuresheep · · Score: 3, Informative
    Kano Technologies sells similar products as well. We're using the 1.6 TB Xspand storage unit and are very happy with it. We use it for our daily backups, and then use tape for our weekly offsite backups. We saved a bundle of money in lisencing for our backup software by doing things this way. For a small company, it works very well.

    Kano Technologies

    1. Re:Kano Technologies by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've bought a low-end Buffalo TeraStation box for home use that does a similar thing as well. Comes in 640GB, 1TB and 1.6TB sizes for (I think) $700, $1000, and don't know about the last one. Low end, cheap, runs Linux inside, so you have concat, raid1 and raid5 configuration of disks. Only thing is that the standard configuration doesn't have NFS (why, oh why?), just SMB and AppleShare. The GigE on it is useless, though. And there are plenty of hacks since the main "OS" part is really a tarball containing the binaries and scripts, so a "firmware" upgrade can be done quite readily. And there are 4 USB2.0 ports for either 1 printer or additional shared hard drive storage - not sure if they can also be RAIDed, but should be possible).

      The most unfortunate thing is that Buffalo Technologies is *violating* the GPL (I can't see why they don't enclose the source in the special "utility" share they have that contains software, manuals, etc), since it is a rather nice box for home and small office.

      Nice hackable PowerPC Linux box, really. Unsuitable for enterprise use, but for home storage or small business, it's not too bad, and it's cheap. Easily upgradable, too.

    2. Re:Kano Technologies by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I just have 4 250GB HDs in my computer for ~$450 instead. It turns out I don't need access to the drives when my system isn't on, so that works out perfectly. Also I have the advantage of reading and writing data at greater than single digit Mbps speeds from at least 1 computer. Unless you live with a whole family of geeks who want to share their information (does dad really want to listen to daughter's MP3s or want daughter watching his adult entertainment?), dedicated network storage seems like more of a "Look ma, no hands!" feature of a home network.

  25. Evaluation by BigDuke6_swe · · Score: 1

    "I forgot it was there and kicked it over. It still works fine after that, BTW." You sure shortened the life of those drives, but it's a interresting way to evaluate new hardware -see how much punishment it can take and still get a refund.

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  26. Re:RAID by CodeShark · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    RAID = "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks". See also PC World's definition for an introduction, and follow the links for why RAID is important. (--annoying pun alert-- besides killing those annoying data cocka-roachas).

    Basically the point of which is to remove a single point of failure (a single massive hard drive) from the server environment by allowing the data to be stored the same way in multiple places. There are 5 RAID levels, and the technology for RAID 5 (which is the highest level that I remember, anyway) has been out there and stable for a while.

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  27. Infrant by toasterll · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got the Infrant Redy NAS, it's a pretty nice machine. they have a new verison X6 that lets you incramentally upgrade your drives and automatically resizes your volume. It's also nice to buy the machine with no drives and upgrade that when you can afford it.

    1. Re:Infrant by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's also nice to buy the machine with no drives and upgrade that when you can afford it.

      Wouldn't it be smarter to wait until you could afford both the machine and, oh, at least one drive?

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  28. US Modular Cube looks better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am thinking of getting a NAS box with raid 5 but this yellow box does not even have 1G Eathernet on it.

    What does is matter how fast the device is if the network to it is slow 10/100.

    What neither seem to support is better power mgt. I want a box which will go to sleep when it is not being used. I do not need to burn 100w or more over night when im sleeping. This should be a configurable setting... not used spin down the disk after some time. And wake on lan...this is all old tech. Seem like if they are running linux it would only be a sw patch.

    peter

  29. Re:confused by spot35 · · Score: 1

    ...sentance

    Is that a word?

  30. If it's an unmodified kernel... by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... and I see no reason why it wouldn't be (all the chips in this thing are likely pretty standard stuff), they could just point you at kernel.org

    If you don't modify the original you don't have to distribute the source youself, you only have to distribute the source to any changes or derrivatives. See the GPL for details. Specifically:

    c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
    to distribute corresponding source code.

    This means all they need to do is provide a link to kernel.org

    1. Re:If it's an unmodified kernel... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Quoted directly off http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
      c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

      Since the Yellow Machine is obviously commercial, are you purposely trying to troll by leaving out the latter half, or are there other versions of the GPL out and about?

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    2. Re:If it's an unmodified kernel... by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      Again form the same link:

      "If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code."

      Once again, all they need is to provide the link to kernel.org.

      If they didn't modify the kernel, there is no need ot distibute the sources. Such a thing would just be a waste of everyone's time. It is both compliant with the letter and the spirit of the GPL.

      Now if they *did* modify it, they need to provide that source. BUt that's a big assumption to make with such a standard appliance.

    3. Re:If it's an unmodified kernel... by Otter · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that bit you cited is relevant (they're not sending their customers to kernel.org for their binaries), but in any case, there is no obligation to put a "Download Source Code!" button on their website.

    4. Re:If it's an unmodified kernel... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand that part. If I offer up source on my ftp next to the binary, I've fulfilled my obligations under a), even if my clients choose not to download it. You can not point to my site to fulfill your obligations, except in the very limited c) case if you are non-commercial and have recieved the software with a written offer from b).

      I agree, 99% of the time pointing to kernel.org works. But say you download Mandriva via your club membership and send the binaries to me. You can not refer me to Mandriva and expect them to offer me free download as they offer you source under a), not b). It is your obligation, even though you have not modified the software. Now if you ordered a box set, and it comes with a written offer, and you distribute the binaries to me, then and only then can you refer me to Mandriva. Otherwise you have to offer a download or a written offer for source.

      There's no practical issue here, because nobody sees any point in forcing people to comply to the letter. All that would happen would be that Yellow Machine would download the source from kernel.org and offer it up on demand. But technically, you can demand that they do.

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  31. Yes, but... by GillBates0 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Does it come with the cute, meditating babe?

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    1. Re:Yes, but... by LinuxGeek · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Does it come with the cute, meditating babe?

      Nah, it usually comes without her. This is /. after all.
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  32. The definition of editor? by Evro · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions.

    The device handled multiple people using (it has permissions built-in) eaisly, and do uploads & downloads of big VOB files, MP3 directories, normal files - it shrugged it off.

    These "sentences" are embarrassing. What happened to proofreading? Seriously, you guys beg for test hardware to play with, and then you write a review that's barely English? Come on. We all have deadlines, but is it too much to ask that the editor proofread his own work to make sure it's coherent?
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    1. Re:The definition of editor? by saider · · Score: 1

      We all have deadlines, but is it too much to ask that the editor proofread his own work to make sure it's coherent?

      An Author should never be the Editor. When that happens, posts like this happen. This is also why code reviews are used instead of the programmer reviewing his/her own code. You simply don't see your own mistakes because you know what you mean and you skip over the problem without realizing it.

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    2. Re:The definition of editor? by alienmole · · Score: 1

      Hemos' post was just a reminder that /. is just a blog that got popular. It's just another semi-coherent blog entry, like millions of others that get posted every day about people's cats or the latest cool toy they played with.

    3. Re:The definition of editor? by bogie · · Score: 1

      "Hemos' post was just a reminder that /. is just a blog that got popular."

      Uh, not its not. This isn't 1998 anymore. It's a business which earns money and has employees. They have meetings, go over earning reports, and have retirement packages. Does that sound like "just a blog" by some dude?

      I'm the last person who should ever poor grammer or mis-spellings but man was that "review" was bad.

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    4. Re:The definition of editor? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      ...did uploads & downloads of big VOB files, MP3 directories...
      I think it's more embarrassing that a /. editor is admitting to the world that he tested a freebie(?) product with his mp3 & ripped dvd collection.

      Shame on Hemos for encouraging internet piracy.

      And for everyone who's going to pretend it was his legal collection: sure, yea, right. Because I rip all my mp3s and dvd's to disk at work./i>
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    5. Re:The definition of editor? by alienmole · · Score: 1

      I think what you're really saying is that the fact that Slashdot is a for-profit corporate entity should have a positive effect on its quality. However, do you really think that it's actually had such an effect? For example, submissions that are accepted for publication hardly ever seem to be edited, checked for accuracy, etc., which is something that could easily be done by paid, professional editors. Regardless of the corporate aspect, ultimately the product is still "just a blog by some dude[s]".

  33. Price major or minor concern? by dennism · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The major issue is pricing; the 1 TB is about $1300.

    Price is a concern, but a minor one.

    So, which is it?

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    1. Re:Price major or minor concern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The major issue is a minor concern. Duh.

  34. Noise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about noise? Would I want to use one of these sitting on a desk next to me?

  35. My impressions are below by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wwwwhhhiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrr tickety tickety chugga chugga whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    1. Re:My impressions are below by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      Translation, for all of you who aren't racist: Clicks and whistles.

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    2. Re:My impressions are below by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, ease up. We know all our bases will belong to China soon, so let us at least rag on them a bit.

  36. Yellow Discrimination by raingrove · · Score: 1

    I am sure The "White" Supremacists [Apple Users?] will start discriminating against these "Yellow" Machines.......

    1. Re:Yellow Discrimination by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Funny

      It isn't running Windows Vista! It's Communist!

      Windows Vista outsells Linux RAID! Laura DiDio said so and you know she wouldn't lie!

      We just did an independent study proving that a 10/100 Ethernet connection outperforms Gigabit in achieving small office business targets! /. even interviewed the author and confirmed this!

      If you don't buy this machine, we'll stop selling to your country and pull all our employees out and tell George about you!

      Wait until the next version! It'll be awesome! You'll be able to actually search the drive!

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  37. Yellow is faster by rascanban · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just like all those kiddies with their hyper-yellow Honda's, we know that everything painted yellow is faster than non-yellow.

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    1. Re:Yellow is faster by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      yes, but i dont see any go faster stripe [*]

      [*] I didn't actually look at the picture, so there may be a very sharp looking racing stripe

  38. Re:RAID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a lot more than 5, there are even proprietary RAID levels. This wikipedia article lists about 19 different ones. (I'm aware of the problems with wikipedia's content but the RAID article is quite thorough and refreshing.)

  39. Hmm...no GB? by JiMbOb_ka · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one shocked that this thing has no gigabit backend? Also, I assume only one 100MB port? NOT good design descisions IMHO.

    Also, and I know this has been hashed out quite a few times, how is an office supposed to back this thing up? Yeah, it's RAID, but with no SCSI/Fibre port for local NDMP attached backups, you have to drag everything back over the single 100MB port from another server. Better bet would be to DIY your own box, then you could have a local attached TBU device as well as do cooler stuff like block-level iSCSI sharing as opposed to the file-level NAS stuff, all on the same set of drives.

    1. Re:Hmm...no GB? by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Hmm, lets see...

      1300 gigs = 1,300,000,000,000 bytes = 10400000000000 bits = 10400000 megabits. At 100 mbps, that's at least 104000 seconds or 29 hours to copy the whole thing.

      Yeah, backups are going to be a problem unless of course that machine IS the backup server where the backups are being stored.

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    2. Re:Hmm...no GB? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget incremental backups. You aren't going to be storing 1.3TB of new data on it every day (obviously, since you can't write to it that fast). It shouldn't be too difficult to rsync it to another machine - possibly on a remote site - every day. Not an ideal backup solution, but probably an acceptable one for a company, especially if the remote site stores the deltas as well as the updated files.

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    3. Re:Hmm...no GB? by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      What about incremental backups. unless your going to be deleting and recreating every file every day/week/whatever, then backing this thing up shouldn't be much trouble.

  40. What the hell has this place become? by BronxBomber · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    R.I.P. /.

    This once glorious site went from news posts and and the opinions of readers that I actually respected, to AC's weak trolling attempts, self righteous grammar and spelling cops, crapflooding, and crybabies who spend the day trying for FPs only to point out that the last story was a dupe.

    Consider me retired.

    And I hope that those who mod me offtopic/troll/whatever will see the irony in the way they are spending their mod points

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    1. Re:What the hell has this place become? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't let the door hit ya

      where the good lord split ya

      by the way, we recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions. (the one with all the RAID fun and such)

    2. Re:What the hell has this place become? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 4, Funny


      You forgot obviously commercial advertisements masquerading as reviews by Chinese PR agents who can't speak (or write) English.

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  41. Another box to check out by ob1ivion13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw one of these at a place I worked at:Buffalo systems ... little less flashy on the presentation but nonetheless does its job... also with a 1Tb at $1000, i think it's a better deal

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    1. Re:Another box to check out by zoomba · · Score: 1

      1TB is a bit under $1k actually. Here on NewEgg you can snag one for $795
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16822155306

      Roughly 80 cents per gigabyte (assuming the really dumb approximation of 1TB = 1000GB and not 1024... dumb HDD manufacturers)

  42. Second Language by Nephroth · · Score: 3, Insightful
    In addition to being nearly incomprehensible, this review is also fairly useless. You told us that a NAS device attaches to the network and stores things.

    I don't really think anyone in the slashdot crowd expected it to not do that.

    Generally, a hardware review contains at least some sort of benchmarks or some gauge of performance. The closest you came to this was "I kicked it and it didn't break" and "It was kind of easy to use."

    If you're going to review hardware, why don't you look up some other reviews for related hardware and try to structure yours in a similar manner. That way, you might actually offer some useful information.

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    1. Re:Second Language by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      The content of your comment combined with your sig, I have to ask: Are you Maddox?

      Thanks for the comment, I needed a good laugh.. seeing as how my office is slowly filling with water right now..

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    2. Re:Second Language by Nephroth · · Score: 1

      No, I'm afraid I'm not Maddox. I just happen to share with him a dislike of bad writing and Utah.

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  43. Where't The Gigabit?!? by seanblake · · Score: 1

    This is one cute little unit, but why not add gigabit ethernet? With 4 drivies in raid 5 on their own master controller, why bottleneck it with 10/100?

    1. Re:Where't The Gigabit?!? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      I would imagine for two reasons:

      1. Gigabit is more expensive - and very rare on embedded system boards.
      2. A CPU that can push a gigabit of data a second is not likely to be found in such a device at this price (I would guess it has something like a 2-300MHz MIPS, ARM or Geode CPU).
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    2. Re:Where't The Gigabit?!? by CerebusUS · · Score: 1

      A CPU that can push a gigabit of data a second is not likely to be found in such a device at this price (I would guess it has something like a 2-300MHz MIPS, ARM or Geode CPU).

      True, but any of those could push more than 100mbps. I agree that they should have made the switch 10/100 with a 1gb connection to the internal array.

    3. Re:Where't The Gigabit?!? by BYC(VCU.EDU) · · Score: 1

      ReadyNAS 600 and ReadyNAS X6 by Infrant Technologies uses a RISC processor and Gigabit. And device with a Tb of storage should have gigabit.

    4. Re:Where't The Gigabit?!? by seanblake · · Score: 1

      At $1300, how much more could it possibly add to the price? Worth it in my opinion, especially if you're using it to stream multimedia around the house/office, and would really speed up backups.

    5. Re:Where't The Gigabit?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Gigabit is more expensive - and very rare on embedded system boards

      BS. Loads of current mid to high-end motherboards have GigE, and many cost under a hundred bucks.

  44. Re:RAID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want a more indepth explanation of just what RAID is and the historical standards (Openly accepted as well as proprietary), hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID covers it quite well.

    So actually, RAID does go up to level 7, but is generally never used. And in the case of data centers, they use RAID 50 or RAID 5+0 more often than RAID 5 alone. Striping the RAID 5 drives together gives you the read/write speed boost that you need in a file access intensive environment. A good example of such an environment would be doing non-linear video editing.

  45. English is /.'s Second Language by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    "We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions..."

    "Over?" I don't want to sound like a typical /. pedant, but c'mon, guys, a little editing won't kill you.

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  46. UPS box by number6x · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I first read the words "about the size of a ups box" I pictured one of those big brown metal boxes you put packages in for pickup by UPS.

    If I wanted something that huge for storage, I'd get an AS/400.

    So I'm sorry I misunderstood you Hemos. When you said UPS box, you meant UPS box, not UPS box. My mistake.

    :)

    1. Re:UPS box by veneficus · · Score: 1

      It's funny you mention the AS/400. The new model 520 we're going to be getting has like 700 gigs of disk and is 1U. Even the AS/400 is jumping on the miniaturization/rack consolidation bandwagon!

      Now what am I going to use to produce excess tons of heat my computer room? Pretty soon they'll be taking my air conditioner away.

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  47. MY GOD HEMOS by the+Howard+Dean+Camp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Go to your local community college and take an English class.

    1. Re:MY GOD HEMOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hemos is your God?

    2. Re:MY GOD HEMOS by the+Howard+Dean+Camp · · Score: 0, Funny
      I forgot to add:

      Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgh!

  48. ESL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody set us up the bomb.

  49. How many Libraries of Congress is that? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
    roughly the size of a decent UPS box

    What the hell does that mean? I have seen many "decent" UPS units, ranging in size from an oversized power strip up to roughly 20U sized. Now I'm not sure I trust the rest of the review, as any halfway knowledgeable IT person understands that the size of an UPS is entirely dependent on needs dictated by (load * time). There are so many comparisons available, and he managed to pick the one that is utterly meaningless.

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    1. Re:How many Libraries of Congress is that? by Jay+L · · Score: 2, Funny

      The size shouldn't matter anyway, as you can put it anywhere you want - the cable that it comes with is as long as a piece of string!

    2. Re:How many Libraries of Congress is that? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      The size shouldn't matter anyway, as you can put it anywhere you want - the cable that it comes with is as long as a piece of string!

      heh. Indeed, size and placement are inconsequentialities. The most important characteristic is clearly given: it's yellow

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    3. Re:How many Libraries of Congress is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I'm gonna hate myself in the morning...)

      The size shouldn't matter anyway, as you can put it anywhere you want - the cable that it comes with is as long as a piece of string!

      Does that mean it's a drop-in replacement for that piece of string that I'm using to keep my XBox 360 cool with?

    4. Re:How many Libraries of Congress is that? by wpiman · · Score: 1
      My wife says size does matter....

      I think it does. Ask someone who is paying $4000 a month for a studio apartment in any major city if it matters. I am looking to put a NAS box out in my woods for backups in case the house goes up in smoke. I was going to bury a power and CAT-5E cable out there to some sort of enclosure. The smaller- the better.

      Of course- my big problem is the elements and heat for this project. Anyone ever seen anyone do something similar? I was ever thinking something buried- perhaps a cooler or something weather resistant (heat an issue here).

  50. Wow. by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was just so bad, I had to sig it.

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    1. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should attribute it to Hemos so that others don't think you're a rambling fool. Oh, and maybe linkify it, too.

    2. Re:Wow. by Sky+Cry · · Score: 1

      Don't forget a link!

  51. I also reviewed this machine by Jim+Buzbee · · Score: 5, Informative

    I also reviewed this machine in an article on TomsNetworking. My review included fun things like pulling the power from one of the RAID drives while streaming a movie, comparative performance graphs, etc.

    Here's my review.

    1. Re:I also reviewed this machine by BushCheney08 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thank you for what appears to be a more thorough review. And extra special thanks for a lead-off sentence that actually makes sense!

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    2. Re:I also reviewed this machine by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      Nice review, the picture of the back panel was kinda nifty.

      Something that's bothered me about the Tom's group of sites is that they don't have a printer friendly link.

      Why?

      I mean, I know you want maximum ad impressions, but no one can easily print this stuff out and show it to their boss. That and the irritating "Continued" links, which makes the table of contents pretty worthless.

      Maybe I'm the only one who gets annoyed by this, but it's something y'all should consider

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    3. Re:I also reviewed this machine by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      From your review:
      I tried to do my duty as a diligent reviewer and visit some adult web sites to see how well the proxy blocked them.

      "But honey, it's necessary for a hardware review for Tom's! Obviously since you can see the buxom lass holding the grapefruit, this product has failed my tests..."

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    4. Re:I also reviewed this machine by curious.corn · · Score: 1

      The bloody thing comes with _gcc_ installed!!! AAARGH! Who the hell would ever, in their right mind, put a compiler on a networked server?! How kind of them, although I'd have preferred to find ready made RPM spec files for well known rootkits!

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    5. Re:I also reviewed this machine by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      I also reviewed this machine in an article on TomsNetworking.
      That is a really an informative review of the Yellow Machine's capabilities. Good work!
       
      A couple of minor nits though: On the "Firewall and Proxy modes" page in the paragraph above Figure 10 were you talk about content blocking, all of a sudden the topic changes to that of the clients needing to be listed in the proxy so that they are able to access the proxy.
       
      Figure 10 shows a Squid DNS error message from the bogus http://youarenotregistered/ URL, not a content blocked error message or client not found in the Squid config error message...
       
      In spite of those admittedly minor errors I would still give you an "A" for that review!
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    6. Re:I also reviewed this machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahaha. Your "skills" are only outdated by a few decades.

      Do you know (skip that, there's no doubt in my mind you DONT know) how
      many production UNIX servers have compilers?

      Maybe you should learn how to, I don't know, actually program or
      admin servers.

    7. Re:I also reviewed this machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My review included fun things like pulling the power from one of the RAID drives while streaming a movie, comparative performance graphs, etc.

      Pulling a drive while you stream a movie is okay, I guess. But if you want to write an informative review, you have to accidently kick the box over and report on wether it still worked or not.

    8. Re:I also reviewed this machine by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      you mention the fact that the router is not very sophisticated (as you could expect for an all-in-one), already therefore it makes sense to buy separate storage and routing products, but isn't it also just plain stupid to have all the critical tasks as storage, routing, etc. in one single box?? If the thing gets compromised in one way or the other, you are screwed over the whole line!

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    9. Re:I also reviewed this machine by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      None of them should.

      Solaris doesn't.
      RHEL doesn't if you don't install the developer package (and why would you on a production server?)
      debian doesn't if you choose a "server" preset install.
      HPUX didn't last time I used it (4 years ago)

    10. Re:I also reviewed this machine by curious.corn · · Score: 1

      Idiot... I can't find other words. I'm NOT a sk1ll'd dood, but the first thing I wouldn't and DON'T want on a damn PRODUCTION server is a bloody gcc sitting there for the leet kidz to play with. If and when I need to deploy in-house compiled patches I'll do so in the damn LAB, compile it on a twin dummy machine with the providers' compiler toolchain installed (see, you thought you were smart! no, the stuff is provided for platform completeness not for fools to leave stuff lying around on a server), run test suites if necessary or provided, create deployment packages from there... If you think you can "emerge wtf" or make, make install on a PRODUCTION server... you are a complete, clueless fool, no better than a windows hotfix monkey.

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  52. Re:Bonus feature: terrabytes right out of the box. by Snarfangel · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would sound better if you sang "Yellow RAID Machine."

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  53. Tom's Networking: by ltwally · · Score: 5, Informative
    There is perhaps a better review at Tom's Networking.

    Here is a quote of their conclusion:
    The Yellow Machine's RAID features can bring a greater degree of confidence in the safety of your data than you might find in an inexpensive consumer NAS device. In addition, the flexibility of its built-in switch and router bring extra capabilities to the table in a compact form-factor.

    But the Yellow Machine misses the mark on a number of points, especially its primary value-proposition of being an all-in-one box for small-office users. If all you want is a basic NAT firewall, the Yellow Machine will probably suit you. But its use of a proxy that is limited only to email and web protection (and buggy at that) will give you fits if you want to limit what users can do on the Internet. Frankly, you'd be a lot better served buying a $40 router and just setting the Yellow Machine to Storage mode.

    But even as a NAS, the Yellow Machine fails to match up to RAID competion like Buffalo's TeraStation and Infrant's ReadyNAS due to its missing print server, inability to connect to USB-based storage devices and missing support of user file access via FTP and HTTP.

    The bottom line is that the Yellow Machine's relatively high cost, merely modest performance, and problematic proxy behaviors should cause prospective purchasers to think twice before buying.

    For my money, looks like I'll be investigating other products, first.
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  54. Since when is 5 paragraphs of nonsense a review? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What sort of review is this??

    Beyond the space, there's absolutely no mention of the technical specifications of the device. I mean FFS, at very least state:

    * Whether its 1000 or 100mbit
    * It support jumbo packets
    * Methods of access control, sure you state there's a control panel, wtf does it do? MAC/IP ACLs? What?
    * Whether the interface can use HTTPS
    * Read/write benchmarks via NFS/SMB

    If it weren't for the absolutely pathetic written skills of the author and the total lack of analysis of it's feature set (beyond yay its yellow and I like it), I'd suspect this is just a ploy by the manufacturer to profit off Slashdot... nothing new there tho.

  55. Ventilation? by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    I'm looking at the picture and it looks like a solid front-plate. I don't care how many fans you use, you can't pull air through a solid piece of plastic. Meager ventilation equals burnout city. Poor design. It may be a month, it may be a year but those drives will fail before the box is removed for obsolescence.

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  56. Other ideas by metaomni · · Score: 1
    I work for an IT department on a college campus, and we are currently looking at solutions similar to this one. The most promising of which is the Buffalo Technology TerraStation.

    While I can't offer any usage information, as we will be purchasing them in a few months, I can say that they are: not yellow, and about $300 cheaper. The TerraStation also comes with a backup utility, which I don't see mentioned in the article text.

    Note: I am not affiliated with Buffalo Tech, just someone who has spent way too much time trying to find a NAS terrabyte storage solution.

  57. Alternatives by MrWin2kMan · · Score: 1

    I have an old InterJet that does much the same...it runs Linux, has firewall, email, storage, DHCP...a whopping 64MB and I think there's a 6GB drive in it or so...Should be able to support 128 or 256MB and up to a 40GB HDD. First $20 plus shipping takes it....

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  58. Am I missing something? by Lxy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why would you put a NAS and a firewall/router on the same piece of hardware? I'm looking at NAS solutions right now and the LAST place I would put 1TB of corporate data is within reach of the T1.

    Nice product by the looks of it, but I can't see myself ever buying one.

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    1. Re:Am I missing something? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. You are missing something. A Firewall is not defined as "an interface within reach of the T1" Also Firewall is not synonymous with router, as in Firewall/Router. In fact, I would say exactly the opposite: I would never put a NAS on my network directly, and therfore only behind some kind of Firewall.

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    2. Re:Am I missing something? by Lxy · · Score: 1

      A Firewall is not defined as "an interface within reach of the T1"

      Not by definition, but where else would you put it? I've always put my firewalls at the front door of the network, AKA within reach of the T1.

      Also Firewall is not synonymous with router, as in Firewall/Router

      Ssince one often performs some function of the other, it makes sense to filter and route packets through the same box. therefore, we have a box that gets labeled Firewall/Router, because it does both.

      I would never put a NAS on my network directly, and therfore only behind some kind of Firewall.

      Maybe a good practice security wise, but you'd slow down access to the NAS by adding an extra layer to it. Since most NAS boxes would go on a trusted network, and most implement file level security, there's not a whole lot of reason to firewall it.

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  59. Re:RAID by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

    Why would you hxxp here? I can understand on filelist or puretna, but here? RAID

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  60. $1,300 for 1T is cheap.. by cybrthng · · Score: 2, Funny

    That is $498,000 cheaper then other vendors

    1. Re:$1,300 for 1T is cheap.. by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 2, Funny

      $501,000 for a 1.6tb nas?

    2. Re:$1,300 for 1T is cheap.. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You can get an 1.6TB IBM SAN for ~ 20K including a switch and HBAs.

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    3. Re:$1,300 for 1T is cheap.. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I'll sell you one for $500,000 even, or two for $1.5M plus a free UPS.

  61. from the website ... by switcha · · Score: 1
    Network Client Support
    -Windows? 2000, XP
    -Mac OS X or greater
    -Unix or Linux via NFS
    "Windows? The answer is 'damn straight'! 2000 and the XP to be exact."
    "We won't just stop with OS X. We give
    greater coverage - all the way up to OS Z!"
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  62. Informative? by SeanDuggan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm highly amused in that your review of the review was utterly lacking in content other than the two links, yet you're running at +5 Informative. Somehow, I think your satire was missed. Maybe the people who write these reviews modded you up due to professional courtesy?

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    1. Re:Informative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now, the moderations are 50% informative and 50% funny. This is very appropriate IMHO, as the two links provided in the comment are informative (even if that was not the main goal of that comment) and the review of the review with the appropriate lack of content is rather funny.

  63. Consider JBODs? by trylak · · Score: 1

    Just to add to the comments about the incoherence of this article.... Why would people interested in SCSI need to consider JBODs? So if we want to spend the money for extra performance there is some reason we wouldn't want the safety of RAID?

  64. I have done it myself by Darkseer · · Score: 1

    End result: ~ 1 TB RAID 5

    6 250 GB SATA drives ~ $700
    cheap MB & CPU & mem ~ $100 (Less if your a better bargin hunter)
    case and power ~ $50
    2 4 channel SATA controlers ~ $30
    coffee ~ $20
    Gentoo Linux ~ free

    If you are more than just a desktop user it can be done in a few hours for ~$880 in parts.. well less now since 250 GB drives have dropped in price. The SATA drivers are a bit dogy on my setup, I'm still looking into why. But for playing mp3 and movies its not a problem at all. I only run into issues where there is alot of R/W disk IO. One of the drives decides to drop out of the array if I run squid on the raid partition or try to do transcoding. So, serving stuff up it does pretty well. If the array is thrasing do to writes I run into problems. For what most of us would use it for though I'm willing to wait till the raid or SATA drivers are fixed for about $500 in savings.

    I spent more time putting the HW together than I did configuring the disks. If you have any kind of know how DIY, there are free tools for everything else they describe. If you want wireless add another couple of bucks for a wireless card.

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  65. Perfect for Home Media storage by WarwickRyan · · Score: 1

    This device is the perfect "turn key" style solution to home media storage.

    For $1,300 (£750) you get 1 terabyte of RAID'd storage. So you can survive one drive dying without any data loss. Not only that, the box also offers all the network-gubbins, firewall and "easy" config.

    Hide the box in the loft or well ventilated cupboard and combine with a couple of cheap modded Xboxes or Media Center PCs and you've got yourself a pretty perfect home media setup.

    For a simple solution, this box is extremely good value for money.

    That all said, I do wonder how much the original poster'll earn in comission for this article..

  66. $1:GB is Cheap by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Insightful

    1.3TB for $1300 is cheap. Just the cheapest 300GB EIDE drives (x4, max on cheap IDE) cost $104, at least $516 - for 1.2TB, 100GB less than the Yellow. The HW for the rest of the machine is probably at least another $500, for $950. If you can put one of these boxes together and install the OS and SW (assuming yours will be as good) in under 3 hours, you probably can charge at least $100:h at work. And there's tech/customer support. This box seems like a good deal, without hassle, with little markup.

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    1. Re:$1:GB is Cheap by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The other hardware isn't necessarily something you'd need to buy. If you've got an old 1GHz+ system lying around, that's more than sufficient. Just throw in a gigabit ethernet card, and you've got a more versatile NAS for half the cost. It's no different than the restaurant (or any other) business: You can probably cook something better for a fraction of the price, or you can be lazy and pay someone else to provide it for you. Obviously some people can't cook so they have little choice.

    2. Re:$1:GB is Cheap by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      And if you've got a 1.3TB RAID server lying around, you don't have to spend anything.

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  67. happy happy yellow box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here, courtesy of google english to japanese to english, almost as good as the original

    So, it is the uh to which the machine itself is good, is lovely. In order for it to be possible to look at the traffic of the drive where you differ bright yellow namely it is good the clear indicatory light/write. You search 1.6 TB of the SCSI, the don' which drive itself can obtain, ide drive, you so is; The t obtains the speed of the SCSI, candidly, you perhaps the jbods have the necessity to look at the same type. But as the unit is the environmemt of storage of the office, the that' which is good being it is really designed; S perhaps exactly. Feature it is wise, almost we want you who have everything in the unit. To me interesting something, at many nas units the I' of seeing and others ; Ve haven' As for t it' S the double fire-protection wall is with the profitable callous. Speech namely radio unit, but suitable it' As S the splendid network isn' In order to handle the t rather inter- - the face. When your relationship to of your wan (the DHCP and the static ip handling) port promotion does those other pleasantly straw raincoat thing everything, the hatchet the machine makes sit down can simultaneously. In addition primary problem I possessed, first that being set up, the config of the thing which can, the didn' The acquisition of the t laughed and read one time many time me really the manual * grinningly * that net access system for the user which is done, all large quantity of the other raw materials the email of the monitor which is sent really was, but. Network support is strong. That does the SMB/NFS, the window and the mac supports as a customer of the desktop, in my test completely and works under the basic Linux. You' As the ve obtains many amount recent taste of the web browser, everything of interface work to be long for the sake of with the http, the you' The it' where the joke which is the ll because of the IE6 is utilized in the most large limit; S it is done. As for the unit being the suprisingly quiet, - That being kicked, that being there I was I in my desk (Saturday that over there), but you forget many times. That works still well after the and the btw. With speed and efficiency, what the strange is enormousally and file transfer of normal network, but the - something of the traffic/speed and the that' of the other thing fuction; S more. The many people who are handled by the device using (the built-in of permission possessing) the eaisly, the large VOB file it does to upload the cMp3 register and download, normal Lu - As for that that the which is less crowded it is. Principal problem has acquired value; 1 TB is approximately $1300. Now, it is and for crowding the DIY which uses the Linux, as for you it is possible to assemble 1 TB machine for that it does not have invasion 5 very easily greatly more... the fact that it does and others that in any case is done. But the target market it does the especially state resource it is limited, the it' Because of S easy of setting machine that for the sake of it is large. And similar to the fact that the where that is automated is done, being to support, the ups system namely the hole it is the don' which has the continual port which is used; The t the crapping and your - must be worried about the whole which loses everything of the . All large it is to come, everything of the unit. Price worry, 1 is minor,

  68. But by NineNine · · Score: 1

    But, (and this is a big "but"), did Tom's Hardware get paid to write a stellar review of an average computer in a yellow case? I bet that they didn't. Slashdot is lacking something called "journalistic integrity" which many people these days don't really care about, which is why the "reviews" were so much different. As with most mysteries of modern life, the answer can be found by following the money.

  69. Re:RAID by InvalidError · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right now, RAID6 is starting to gain popularity in high-availability environments.

    With basic RAID5, the array can handle a single drive failure and can only detect odd errors with no possibility of correcting them. With RAID5+1, a hot-spare is available to start unattended rebuild when a failure occurs but costs and extra drive while still leaving the array vulnerable to a second failure during the rebuild process. With RAID6, error-correcting codes are generated for the N extra (non-data) drives to provide N/2 bits error correction, multi-bits error detection and recovery of up to N erasures/failures.

    RAID6 is more computationnally expensive than RAID5 but it can be made arbitrarily resilient to subtle soft errors typical RAID5 would never detect. An external box 6xSATA/NCQ RAID6 with SATA-3G-uplink storage controller would be a nice companion for anybody who takes data integrity seriously but does not want to do TB-scale backups. (Of course, this still leaves data vulnerable to infection-induced or otherwise accidental trashing.)

  70. other options? by Noclar7 · · Score: 1

    I'm actually looking for something simular to this for our studio. If anyone has any recommendations to other manufacturors please reply. Anything like this minus the "good looks" would be fine, as well as having the option to connect via usb 2.0 or firewire.. regards, Rj

  71. Only 100Mbps?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100Mbps seems a bit slow for a network storage device. Why not 1000Mbps???

  72. As good as? by BYC(VCU.EDU) · · Score: 1

    Wow great timing I've just started research on this. So how this thing compare to Infrant Technologies' (www.infrant.com) ReadyNAS 600 and ReadyNAS X6 devices?

  73. I wouldn't trust morons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...who have a big graphic that says "Reseller's Wanted" on their front page. Sheesh.

  74. What about openfiler? by brianjcain · · Score: 1
    The major issue is pricing; the 1 TB is about $1300. Now, for the DIY crowd, yes, using Linux you could very easily put together a RAID 5, 1 TB machine for not that much more -- and you are probably going to do it anyway. But for the target market, especially situations in which the IT resources are limited, it's a great machine for the ease of setting it up.
    How about Openfiler? Not quite DIY, probably a decent compromise.
    And since it supports doing automated back-ups as well as has the serial port to work with a UPS system, you don't have to worry about the whole crapping out and losing all of your data. All in all, a great unit. Price is a concern, but a minor one.
    Openfiler also supports checkpointing. Price is almost never a "minor" concern.
  75. Try Infrant instead by sys49152 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First off, who wrote this review? Sounds to me like an Anthology Solutions employee trying to be all slashdotty.

    I just looked at the specs for this and am not that impressed. Like many other NAS devices, they claim OS/X support, but support is not via AFP. Though their docs make no mention of it, the YellowMachine is almost certainly running SAMBA only, and OS/X support is also through SAMBA. The problem with this is primarily long filenames. Try backing up your music collection to a SMB/CIFS box, and you'll see what I mean. IMHO, if you don't have AFP support, then you don't support Macs.

    Similarly, there's no support for rsync or (given what Tom's Networking has to say) file access via FTP or HTTP. And this may be just me, but who wants a router, DHCP server, a firewall, and a proxy server embedded in a NAS box? And $1300? That's cheap?

    I recently purchased a RAID enabled SOHO NAS appliance. I spent a long time figuring out exactly what was needed in a mixed OS/X, Windows, Linux environment. I picked the Infrant ReadyNAS box. You can see my blog entry on this subject for details as to why. In short: support for SMB/CIFS, AFP, NFS, rsync, webdav, and FTP. Support for UPS devices. Support for Gigabit Ethernet. Very good documentation and an even better (employee active) user forum. And I got a TB of storage (650MB after RAID 5 formatting) for $1,000.

    1. Re:Try Infrant instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sounds to me like an Anthology Solutions employee trying to be all slashdotty.

      Thanks, I was looking for a pithier synonym for 'functionally illiterate'.

    2. Re:Try Infrant instead by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      > I got a TB of storage... 650MB after RAID 5 formatting

      With that kind of overhead, I hope it's really fault tolerant. :)

      Anyway it does seem like a really cool device, though. I have been DIYing something similar, using an old OfficeDepot Compaq $500 special running a minimal install of Debian with Samba and AFP, but AFP is really a bitch to configure sometimes. It would be really nice to have something that just works out of the box. And the streaming media features are similarly something that, although a person could probably do it themselves with a suitable investment of time, are great to not have to fiddle around too much with. Assuming everything works as advertised, of course.

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    3. Re:Try Infrant instead by The_ForeignEye · · Score: 1

      Does it really support OS/X all the way?

      I've found that many NAS (Buffalo Terastation best example I can think of) have limitations when it comes to OS/X compatibility:

      - Can't copy files larger than 2Gb.
      - Can't copy files with names longer than 30 characters.
      - Can't copy files with names that contain "special" characters (although they're OK on the Mac).

      Have you tested those three scenarios? if that's the case, I'm getting me one for Christmas!! :)

      Thanks.

    4. Re:Try Infrant instead by misleb · · Score: 1

      I just looked at the specs for this and am not that impressed. Like many other NAS devices, they claim OS/X support, but support is not via AFP. Though their docs make no mention of it, the YellowMachine is almost certainly running SAMBA only, and OS/X support is also through SAMBA. The problem with this is primarily long filenames. Try backing up your music collection to a SMB/CIFS box, and you'll see what I mean. IMHO, if you don't have AFP support, then you don't support Macs.

      Also, SMB support on Macs is really slow and sometimes buggy. Indeed, if it doesn't do AFP, it doesn't really support Macs.

      -matthew

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    5. Re:Try Infrant instead by misleb · · Score: 1

      Netatalk (I assume) difficult to configure? Are you serious? What could be easier than installing a Debian package and adding a line or two to /etc/netatalk/AppleVolumes.default? Granted, it has gotten more complicated in version 2.0 with the different methods of storing Mac metadata on the FS, but the defaults usually work fine.

      Samba is the one that can be a bitch (sorta). That config file is pretty big.

      -matthew

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    6. Re:Try Infrant instead by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I don't know; I said netatalk/afp was difficult because I've never actually gotten it to work myself on my Debian Sarge box and small home network of Macs (mostly 10.4 installs), for no small amount of trying. The configuration method isn't necessarily that complicated, in that you're right, but when it doesn't work, there wasn't much that I could work with.

      In my case the server would appear on a Mac, but logging in (entering a username and pass, clicking OK) to see the available shares/volumes would just cause the Mac to hang indefinitely until you killed the Finder (spinning-beachball effect). I got the whole thing to work exactly once, and that was by disabling all the security and encryption packages and overriding the Mac's security settings to allow for plaintext passwords, which I consider unacceptable. It's been suggested to me that the problem I'm having might be because of something broken in the Debian/stable package's crypto libraries, but other than that I didn't get much in the way of suggestions from the help lists.

      Given that my network setup is about as dead simple as you can get, and the only other thing running on the Linux box was Samba, it was a rather frustrating experience. (Actually it's possibly the most frustrating networking experience I've ever had to date.) I'm sure it's something I could puzzle out given enough time, but eventually it got to the point where I just canned the project and kept my iTunes stored locally, and use CLI tools for Documents backups.

      This was my experience with it, I feel like I gave it a more than fair shot with otherwise well-supported hardware on a decidedly simple network, and couldn't get it working in less time than it took to find a workaround (rsync). I sincerely hope that not everyone has this much trouble, but this was why I think that a NAS box that "just worked" with Macs would really be in demand.

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  76. Banana 9000 et al. by behindthewall · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one reminded of the Banana product line? Not that I want to make any comparisons...

    http://www-i5.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/mbp/bloom/

  77. Re:confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a sentance?????

    Is that a word???

  78. Lack of oomph by duinsel · · Score: 1

    It shouldn't be that expensive to design these NAS boxes with Gb ethernet on board, instead of the usual 100 Mb I see everywhere. Granted, many places still run at 100, but it sure would be nice to at least have the option of running faster. The RAID could surely fill a Gb pipe....

  79. Not quite there... by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mebbe if it had a gigabit ethernet port.

    Otherwise, it's kinda not quite there.

    Firewire and gigE are both pretty cheap these days. There's no good reason that a box like this can't have that kind of thruput. NAS doesn't have to mean slow as a snail. They could dump the 8-port switch or just have different model options.

    This could be really sweet as a MythTV repository otherise.

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  80. a WAN port on this thing? wtf by ilmdba · · Score: 1

    who in their right mind jacks their core storage directly into a WAN (given that this thing is obviously aimed at home use). regardless of what cheesy firewall/router is in it, that's just asking for trouble.

  81. THIS, friends, is a perfect example... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    ...of why grammar is important! There's a huge difference between "My god Hemos!" and "My god, Hemos!" (Note the comma.)

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    1. Re:THIS, friends, is a perfect example... by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what you're talking about.

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    2. Re:THIS, friends, is a perfect example... by 6OOOOO · · Score: 1

      Actually, the comma is technically mandatory in both cases (that is, whether Hemos is being addressed, or Hemos is a predicate).

  82. Worst. Review. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesuit, come on Hemus.

  83. most importantly: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Does this run the Sony rootkit? (tm)


    Build a Home Terabyte Backup System Using Linux

  84. whats that mean? by Suppafly · · Score: 1

    We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions.

    what the hell does that sentance mean?

    1. Re:whats that mean? by nsayer · · Score: 1

      What the hell does "sentance" mean?

  85. Well, it isn't a van, but.... by Khaspir · · Score: 1
  86. Volume of RAID arrays by phorm · · Score: 1

    My last experience with a RAID array: A client wanted to use a multidisk SCSI cabinet array for his server (although really all he needed was a few RAIDed drives in the case). After testing the configuration I passed along the info: the RAID arrays works great, but it was completely unfeasible to use in his office due to the fact that it sounded like a jet engine firing up.

    Can anyone comment on the volume level of this array? Quiet, loud? Quiet enough for a server room but too loud for an office desk?

  87. Heaven forbid someone doesn't have editorial staff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting comments... very slashdot-ish... jump on the writer about grammar and not substance...
    reading And thought you difficulty had review the you, look at the posting on the eBay auction for a Yellow machine: 5836583641

  88. Seriously, is Hemos... by EWIPlayer · · Score: 1

    Karma, blah blah... I just can't let this go. A lot of people have been saying the same thing, but seriously, is Hemos below the average intelligence level of the average, "below average intelligence level" person?

    Hemos... Millions of people will see this, and already tens of thousands of people see you as a small, dim-witted monkey that just recovered from a botched lobotomy. Your first drafts are awful beyond description... At least I hope this was a first draft.

    Let's all just assume that he's completely baked at the current moment. That's much preferable.

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    1. Re:Seriously, is Hemos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> That's much preferable.

      You didn't do much better :\

  89. Re:Bonus feature: terrabytes right out of the box. by THESuperShawn · · Score: 1

    Is this another Spam by * * BeatlesBeatles?

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  90. YACOTS (Yet Another Critique Of This Story) by cypherz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Worst /. Story of 2005"

    This story is currently nominated for "Worst Slashdot Story of 2005" and unless a Katrina-scale woofer of a story comes along in the next month, this little slice of junior-high blather will easily take the prize. I wonder if Hemos actually _read_ this story before posting it? (Hemos: did you write this? Or just post it?) As many others have pointed out, the first sentence doesn't even parse in English! I might be wrong, but I'm assuming that Hemos' native language is English because most of the not-english-as-first-language-having folks I've met can express themselves MUCH better than Americans who grew up with English. Not meaning to flame Americans (I'm from Mississippi after all...) but the state of written communication in the USA seems to be declining proportionally to the rise in blogging.

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  91. Here it is... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    download page for the software not sure if it includes the source code as well or not... you have to provide the machine details on a web request form...

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  92. Fileserver on a firewall? by ghislain_leblanc · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a REALLY bad idea to put your important files on a box that's also used as a firewall...even if said box is yellow.

  93. Translator Mangled by Samus · · Score: 1

    I like this google translated there and back and there and back and there and back version a lot better.

    We had recently in the office of yellow apparatuses which is formed by Anthologieloesungen. The yellow apparatus, in the bovine one of the cubes, is acceptable an apparatus, the guards of the basic rule wuerdevollen the format of a scato him of UPS which has 1 TB or 1.6 TB of the memory location, with the entirety diversione and consequently the IDEA. We have with him close here around in a month or consequently worked. My impressions are downwards. Consequently the apparatus inside, if it is good uh, enough. The yellow and good free lights of the prolongation on a manner by in LageSEIN polish to see it it you transport in the orders several. Orders that even it of the orders are not ido, consequently yes, you, of maintenance SCSI-Geschwindigkeit, however the company of release, if to test of 1.6 must pay attention TB of SCSI, probably you jbods or who similars. But, since the unit of measuring is really intended its for an atmosphere of the file of the office, it is probably finely on the right. the tests characteristic of the people, the unit of measuring has all almost you desire. Who it is with me that I interest, which I did not see in many units of measuring of the NAS, is which has a regular double quantity with fire. The interface touch for the network is not absolute step that pleasant, like the opinion, a unit of measuring without wire, but this one is acceptable. * they to be able to form, that the apparatus as during relative connection zum relative WAN (handle DHCP, it static IP) before forwarding and those the remainder the thing diversione to think. * the problem, which they, truth of Config initially to reach to attach, but, which not zu of much of hour once truth to be taken to me, zum with the handbook * the face * moreover I to form the command for the customer, to transfer E-maices, a total sump access screen the other business lira. The help of the network is strong. It forms of SMB/nfs and Windows supports to him and Mac as customers and functions in the titles under of Linux which is also based on my test. That employment whole from interface becomes on HTTP for length, while you have yourselves a sapore on a certain manner which is more browser new Web, that you are distinguished, even if for IE6, one optimizes. The unit of measuring classified is narkotisch - during it in my Schreiben-scrittorio (that alli with the seat has ') that was frequently was placed, I forgotten that this was it here and in an impressive way raised with the foot with him. It still functions very well after those, BTW. Nothing varies expressed then in speeds and the company transferencesnormal of Lima which is enormous network, but it is more a one function of the network then traffic/vitess the whole thing. * the optional touch multiple Leuteverwenden (you Built-in the authorization), simple and hochlaedt to form and transferences to return their elbow you large VOB, index MP3, normal elbow you - it proximity with acute. The principal expenditure estimates; the 1 TB is narrow to $1300. Hour, using for the mass of DIY, Linux could not yes connect much simply you to 5, 1 the apparatus TB for the account which much more -- and probably going however to form an IDEA it. But for the objective market, the situations, in which the operational means are it, large Maschinenaffinchè the function are limited attach it particularly. And since it is based, to form the assents which as well as it is automated, the opening of series does not have you aiming at work with a system of the UPS, owes preoccuparsi for the totality which, crapping in direction at outside and that one loses that whole relati one, you gives you. Altogether, force of the provision. The price is however a concern, a smaller value.

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  94. Oh my... by cobrabyte · · Score: 1

    This posting, along with the comments, has made my day. I haven't laughed like this since I was a little girl. Whew ... back to humdrum. -c

  95. google translation by nazsco · · Score: 1

    put the review in google translator and translate from english to japanese.

    Then get the results (that is, if you can't read japanese) and paste back into the textarea and translate from japanese to english.

    Being google, well, google. It will get the subtle meaning in the mind of the writter and put back the real meaning out of that engrish.

    To save you all time, i've already translated the 1st line:
    The yellow machine that' where we formed the Anthology Solutions; You heard recently at the office with respect to the one of S.

  96. Kicked it over by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 2, Funny
    You forgot the funniest part of that quote right before that.

    many times, while I was at my desk (it sat under there) I forgot it was there and kicked it over.

    Wow, this shows a level of idiocy I would not have thought possible. After the first time kicking it over, the thought should have come up, "CRAP! That's a terrible place to keep that. I should move it to somewhere more out of the way, where it won't get knocked over all the time."

    "Whoa, that's the fourth time I've knocked that thing over. I'll bet I've learned my lesson now."
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  97. There should not by typos on the main page by cebarro · · Score: 1

    if they expect people to take their company and/or product seriously.

  98. Set it and forget it! (from their website) by kvn · · Score: 1

    When did Ron Popeil start making storage solutions?

    And more importantly, how quickly can it cook a chicken?

  99. Re:THIS, friends, is a perfect, example... by wild_berry · · Score: 1

    because you're Shatner?

  100. I like this one...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  101. Heh by UncleRage · · Score: 1

    Snort coke in one hole and valium in another.

    That's beautiful. 8P

    Mods didn't find it funny, but I did.

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  102. Re:THIS, friends, is a perfect, example... by efuzed · · Score: 1

    please somebody, mod up - thats funny

  103. Alas and alack by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but that was altogether comprehensible and
    comprehensive. You'll have to do worse than that.

    Not only did you write clearly and cover useful data,
    but (even more foolishly) you compared the unit to
    the wrong sort of boxes. Your UPS pickups will
    be canceled.

    [disclaimer]
    If you require to have heard an words that are
    stringed together with clueless meaning, please
    see the mommy and dady of this post box instead.
    [/disclaimer]

  104. Re:Where's The Gigabit?!? by hlygrail · · Score: 1

    It might add $100 to the cost. We're talking about an unmanaged, 4- or 5-port GigE switch here. I got my 8-port SMC 8508 (which supports Jumbo Frames, by the way) for around $100, and that was over a year ago. They're now in the $70 ballpark.

    Even though I have a 3-year old RAID5 box already (Adaptec 2400A + 4x 160GB WD drives), I would seriously consider buying something like this for the simplicity, but it HAS to support GigE (and support it well), as I use my RAID box heavily for audio/video storage and editing, as well as audio/video streaming.

  105. Last Straw by Belsical · · Score: 1

    Well, this review was the last article I'm going to read on slashdot. It was an utter piece of shit and I can't justify giving these morons any more traffic. It's been a good decade or so, but I can't justify the time it takes to filter this massive amount of misinformation. Cheers.

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  106. No, silly... by Digz · · Score: 1

    ...Hemos has been outsourced!

    *grin*

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  107. Re:THIS friend's is a perfect example... by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1

    I don't sea why you get so up tight about a couple of comma's?

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  108. Retrobox.com by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Wow, good find. I had no idea that you could get 1U Xeon servers that cheap. The last time I looked at rackmount machines, the chassis alone cost three times what they're charging.

    This will pretty much be the only good thing that I've gotten so far out of the dot-com bubble...

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  109. What about "unRAID"? (MAID?) by LazyBoy · · Score: 1
    What about "unRAID" (MAID?)?.

    There's a discussion here. I like the basic concept, RAID-4 without striping, but I'm not rushing to buy their package. I'd like to see an open source driver that does that though.

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  110. oblig by niXcamiC · · Score: 1

    all your base are belong to us. we recently had heard in the office over one of the yellow machine that's made by anthology solutions. somebody set us up the bomb.

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  111. Re:RAID by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 1

    Why not just go nuts? Put RAID1 on top of RAID5. (i.e., two RAID5 arrays, both getting the same writes). Or heck, RAID5 on top of RAID5. Wheee!

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  112. Re:RAID by InvalidError · · Score: 1

    RAID1 on RAID5 would only allow one failure in each set... RAID5 on RAID0 would allow at least two and up to six with 10 drives - but even RAID5 on RAID5 will still not give you anything anywhere near as strong as RAID6's error detection and correction on a reliability to drive-count ratio.

    Composite RAID sounds sexy but RAID6 is cheaper and more resilient. Its only significant issue is that error correction is a lot more computationally expensive than RAID5's dirt-cheap XORs. The composite R6 of R5s or R0/R5 of R6s would be nice for banks and other such where each set could be stored in a separate vault to protect them from each other in case of any array catching fire or one of them being stolen. Now we're talking extreme (but justifiable) paranoia.

  113. (defun function metareview (content-free) by obtuse · · Score: 1

    (defun function metareview (content-free)
            (un-grammar-spell (metareview (irony (content-free)))))
    ; Function has unpredictable side effects on humor
    ; due to interaction with functions irony and un-grammar-spell
    ; Run-time only limited by side-effect on interest

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  114. Internal abuse is common. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    There is always the malicious or stupid person in your network.

    That and also not every machine in a big coroporate network needs to have access to the device, firewall filtering ads an additional lelvel of internal security.

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  115. Re:RAID by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 1

    Well, I was kidding, but you do have a point. But don't you have RAID0 and RAID1 backwards? RAID0 provides no redundancy. RAID1 does.

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  116. Re:RAID by InvalidError · · Score: 1

    I did guess it was a joke but still felt like writing something.

    For the RAID0 mixup, that was a lapsus in the first paragraph. For the bank scenario, my thought behind 0 on 6 is that an hypothetical thief would have to steall all R6 arrays to have a complete data set.