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Re:Ill get it out of the way
There's an Autoscroll Moz Extension that might scratch your itch. I don't know if it works on MacOSX (my 6100 can't run it. Bummer.)
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Re:Browser testing?
And yes, yes I know, "code to standards", which is the way it *should* be...
I think Microsoft should be given a good dose of their own medicine. Code to XPFE. Write remotely distributed web applications using XUL and friends. Link to your application from a plain vanilla web site that contains an "only works w/ Mozilla" icon that points to the Mozilla site.
Of course there's a big difference between coding Mozilla specific applications and coding MS/IE only applications. Mozilla is an open-source project built on open standards. MS could, if they so choose, implement any of Mozilla's features they like. The converse is not true.
If enough people get Mozilla on their desktop, and enough people start writing good XFPE applications, this could put a serious dent in MS's plans for world domination. Among other things, Mozilla doesn't require Windows. If you write a Mozilla application, you're doing cross-platform development. If the Oracles, IBM's, SAP's, ERP vendors and the like don't see the value of this, they are missing a golden opportunity.
Take the on-line banking example people seem to be so fond of today. You could build an extraordinarily rich on-line banking application on top of Mozilla today, than virtually anyone using any operating system could access. They would have to download Mozilla, which is free. Contrast that w/ writing to IE. Perhaps MS will someday offer an intriguing feature, but if you want your clients to enjoy the experience they will need to run the latest version of MS Windows. Unless they have a recent PC, it will cost them money to use your site. That's assuming they have a PC, and have reserved room on their hard drive to install an MS OS.
And then there's AOL. After years of investing in Mozilla, at a time when their labors are bearing fruition, they ink an ignominious deal with their biggest enemy. The board of directors should take the people responsible for this to the woodshed, spank them soundly, and send them packing. How could management be so ignorant of the value of their own assets? They could do things on AOL using XPFE that would make the MSN droids drool. What dopes. On top of that, how much further development do you think a billion dollar settlement would have funded? -
Mozilla's evolution
You should look at MozDev - there's a furious amount of development going on for extensions and plugins to the basic browser. It's amazing, and something I haven't seen in the IE community since the dot-com money went away.
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Re:Still on IE 6?
"I miss things like the google"
What the hell are you talking about? The Googlebar is available for Mozilla Firebird. Too bad Xulplanet's Prefsbar isn't available for the *latest* version of Firebird, as I've got very used to having it in Mozilla 1.3: I have checkboxes on the toolbar to enable/disable colours, images, JavaScript, Java, pop-ups, font size and to kill Flash. Furthermore, there is some sort of attempt at an eBay toolbar for Mozilla, but it looks immature and I can't recommend it as I haven't tried it. -
Re:Still on IE 6?
"I miss things like the google"
What the hell are you talking about? The Googlebar is available for Mozilla Firebird. Too bad Xulplanet's Prefsbar isn't available for the *latest* version of Firebird, as I've got very used to having it in Mozilla 1.3: I have checkboxes on the toolbar to enable/disable colours, images, JavaScript, Java, pop-ups, font size and to kill Flash. Furthermore, there is some sort of attempt at an eBay toolbar for Mozilla, but it looks immature and I can't recommend it as I haven't tried it. -
Re:What's that other Internet Explorer thing again
What's so hard about defending the claim for standards-compliance? Mozila is, by a very long shot, the most standards-compliant browser in existence. Internet Explorer has not-too-bad CSS and DOM support, but can't claim to support either as well as Mozilla does. There's also all the standards that IE doesn't even try to do right -- MathML, which is hugely important for those of us who use it, PNG, which IE only sort-of supports, XHTML, and SVG, even though it's off by default. These and many other open standards are supported natively by Mozilla, something that no other browser can claim to do (not even Opera or Konqueror/Safari).
As for performance
... Mozilla is actually very fast, in some ways. The Gecko HTML engine is one of the fastest around, and handles super-complex CSS positioning with ease. (Yes, KHTML and Opera can be faster, but this is partly because they don't support many of the more complex aspects of CSS).Also, although the Mozilla integrated suite takes forever to start up, Firebird/Phoenix is a good deal faster, and Gecko front-ends like Epiphany for GNOME and K-Meleon for Windows start up fast enough that if you blink, you'll miss it.
And finally: "fairly" portable? C'mon, there is no other browser that's available for as many systems as Mozilla is. Ever tried to use IE or Opera on BeOS, Irix, OS/2, or OpenVMS?
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Re:This is disgraceful...
Was this what you were looking for?
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Re:IEMan, if you think Mozilla has tabbed browsing, you obviously haven't installed MultiZilla yet.
Mozilla with MultiZilla : Mozilla :: Mozilla : IE.(Read : as "is to" and
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Disqualified.
Disqualified for being unable to press two "keys" simultaneously - except of "selected" shift, control, alt. But imagine changing weapon while strafing forward while crouching on that: W+A+3+Tab at the same time. Can't be done. Imagine using mouse "rocker gesture" in mozgest - RMB while holding LMB. Imagine typing a native Polish text in Emacs - where 10% of characters require ALT and most commands - ctrl. Switch to 'alt', type the letter, switch back to 'normal'.
Plus, yet one disqualifying property - I won't be able to use IRC with that keyboard, because it requires both hands to type! -
Re:I wouldn't go so far as to call it "innovative"
Since browsing technology has likely reached it's apex, all that's left are the small things.
Microsoft didn't give AOL a billion dollars (well, they didn't actually give them jack shit if AOL is so stupid as to assign value to the "right" to use MS's browser, but that's another topic) for nothing.
People want to deploy distrubuted multi-user applications. How? This is the big money bag. MS will lose a lot more than their shirt if people start deploying applications to XPFE.
This is not an original thought. MS want to squish this bug badly. -
Re:death of NetscapeIt's not all that difficult to port. There are projects which are trying to port KHTML to Windows. Thus, the most important parts of Safari -- the rendering engine -- aren't tied to one particular platform. All it involves is writting a wrapper around that browser engine. Besides, I fail to see what the apple fanboys' obsession with Aqua is. I've seen it, it's a fairly obnoxious interface that, in my opinion, is way too bloated. Whatever happened to simplicity?
I think it would do you good to check out Firebird. It's a damn good looking browser that's available today. For me, it's replaced Konqueror as my day to day browser, as it does what it needs to right now, and if I needed it to do more, I can find the UI plugin I need within 5 minutes searching on Mozdev
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Re:Opera just feels... oddUmm, thats only innovative in that it's presenting a UI for the
<link>
elements, which have been around since HTML 2.
Mozilla has had a link toolbar since 2001. And Firebird users can get one here.
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Re:Opera has lost it's appeal
Try Tabbrowser Extensions from Piro.
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They provide a lot of options for enhancing tabbed browsing. The behaviour mentioned by you is one of them. Remember shutdown state (also in the event of a crash), display a warning when you try to close a multi-tab window, organise tabs in groups, etc. Les disruptive and much more functional than Multizilla, IMHO. -
Mouse Gestures here Re:Opera has lost it's appeal
Check out the Mozilla Mouse Gestures project. I don't use Opera, so I'm not sure if it reproduces all Opera gestures, but knowing Mozilla, there will be a very awkward but powerful way to customize it the way you like... - Eric
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Mouse Gestures for Mozilla
Have you tried Optimoz Mouse Gestures?
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Re:Opera
If you middle click on a link, open link in a new tab. If you middle click off of a link, activate the autoscroll. Simple as that.
And that is exactly how it does work when you install the autoscroll extension in MFB. -
I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it...I think an attack on Flash would be grand. Remove those distractions once and for all.
Side note: if you use Mozilla, download the autoscroll patch. When you middle-click to start the scrolling process, the Flash ads disappear. This is a very cool side-effect.
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Re:WHAT ABOUT BANNERBLIND! ARG!
AdBlock extension.
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Re:Opera
An Autoscroll extension is available for Mozilla and Firebird. The URL is here.
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Mouse gestures
Check out Optimoz. It's very easy to install an XPI add-on to Mozilla or Phoenix (Mozilla Firebird) to provide mouse gestures or pie menus.
Pie menus are like mouse gestures, but pie menus are better because the user gets visual feedback, which helps the learning process.
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Already implemented (unofficially)
They should make an installer before 1.0
There is already an installer which fetches everything from the nightly trunk. It's not an official release. I do NOT recommend it since 0.6 got released. It *might* break some of the application associations when you decide to uninstall it for whatever reason.
http://blackdiamond.mozdev.org/installer/
Otherwise it's an excellent start. Sooner or later, they'll roll this into the official releases. -
Re:No down arrow searches?
I'm not gonna use Firebird until they support hitting down arrow to search on Google.
And what's so crazy about using the search field and saving that extra down arrow keystroke? In addition to the default Google, the search field can have literally hundreds of search engines available with a single click (including google images, groups, and news). Why would you want to use the very limited search option of Mozilla's addressfield whe you can use a powertool like Mozilla Firebird's search field? It's faster, more flexible andd requires one less keystroke.
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Windows Installer
Windows users can download 0.6 with a Windows installer. This will add registery keys for you, making plugin installations much, much easier. It's unofficial, but very convenient.
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Re:Font Magnification
Nice indeed. For those that like simple control over the font sizes, I recommend the Trivial extension which lets you add font size controls to the toolbar.
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Must try extensions for Firebird
Download Statusbar
Flash click to view
(still quite new, but amazing)
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Re:MacOS X comments from release notes
several annoying features
... require user.js hacks, which is a minor hassle.
You do know about about:config, don't you? It's neat - try it! Saves drilling down your directory tree to find *.js in your profile directory, too.
Bookmarks is one of my sore spots with Moz too. I notice there are many bookmark related projects on mozdev but I haven't tried any yet. -
Re:yeah but does it embed in a browser?
Well, I use MplayerPlugin
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IMO, it is much better than plugger... -
Re:Nightlies more stable
I haven't noticed a difference between nightlies and milestones in terms of stability, and I'd definitely be using nightlies if getmoz was ever updated. It's too much of a pain to install a new version of Mozilla every day in Linux.
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Re:New Phoenix/Firebird builds too
You want tab features? Get the multizillaaddon to mozilla
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Re:Email Mozilla about this must have feature
Is this what you are looking for? Install it for Mozilla or Mozilla Firebird
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Re:image blocking
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Re:I used to follow mozilla
The biggest feature I've found it "Type Ahead Find". I start typing the text of a link when on a webpage, and it takes me to that link. It's still a little buggy, but not too bad.
Also, I find the new features that keep coming in MultiZilla to be worth much better than those introduced by Mozilla. -
Re:Opera vs Mozilla
Check out AdBlock for Moz/Phoenix
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Memory stick
When will Mozilla be able to fit on a memory stick? Doing this would allow me to browse the web on my digital camera. (yes, if mozilla could fit on a memory stick, then with another 50kb so could Internet Explorer)
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XPDE
I noticed that the XPDE screenshots use mozilla/netscape with the classic skin. There is an Internet Explorer skin at mozdev.org they could be using. (if they want to copy windows explorer, this would be a must)
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Re:Not-for-Profit vs. For-Profit Software
Some Bobby alternatives: Cynthia Says and WAVE. There's also a Colorblind web page filter. For mozilla users, there's the Checky plug-in to manage validation services.
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Mouse Gestures
The next big thing in Keyboard design will be one handed keyboards optimized for the internet.
No, the "Next Big Thing"(TM) is mouse gestures. After the simple Optimoz installation you'll never touch your keyboard again. It was that way for me at least. (Not using a Mozilla based broswer? Heathen!)
I find mouse gestures are much more comfortable to use than both the keyboard and browser UI.
Malloc -
Mouse Gestures
The next big thing in Keyboard design will be one handed keyboards optimized for the internet.
No, the "Next Big Thing"(TM) is mouse gestures. After the simple Optimoz installation you'll never touch your keyboard again. It was that way for me at least. (Not using a Mozilla based broswer? Heathen!)
I find mouse gestures are much more comfortable to use than both the keyboard and browser UI.
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Re:In the immortal words of Richard Bey....
ASPire huh? That name would definately be associated with ASP! =P
Im no database fiend and have heard about the open source version of Interbase. Ive never used it but if I ran Windows itd probably be my first choice - a Google search for open source windows database returns Firebird right after MySQL and PostgreSQL *MySQL is a maze for me and Ive heard PostgreSQL isnt very nice on Windows *I tend to use PostgreSQL with FreeBSD or Debian since its easy to use and program (although choosing encoding types are a mystery for me :)*.
It is pretty crappy that Mozilla.org dont care about this issue *I like Mozilla (I have played with Gecko/Spidermonkey) and think this is an issue* since a project name is usually always shortened and also publicized bugs/exploits about a program called Firebird *as in Mozilla Firebird* could be misconstrued into being a problem with the Firebird database that someones using.
Another Gecko-based browser is doing the same thing to a Boulderdash clone which is also not very nice... are we running out of names for programs? *I usually say 'Epiphany browser is looking good so far' etc not 'Epiphany is looking better' since I respect the Boulderdash clone and since both are 'apt-gettable' under different package names*
Overall I think itd be nicer for both to coexist even if they share the same part of a name - Phoenix is a fitting name for the renewed *Navigator* browser AND a sort-of renewed database *I dont know if this was the intention - heh*. Surely other names could be thought of for a 'better navigator', 'revived navigator', 'resurrected navigator', etc.
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Re:Oh yeah? Ads you say??
/etc/hosts
Buh-bye ads!Heh, i just use the AdBlock plugin for Phoenix/Firebird/WhateverItsCalledNow. I have it set so anything matching "*/banner/*" dissapears as soon as the page is loaded - everything looks so much tidyer now...
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while looking around phoenix
Okay not completely on-topic, but:
I have noticed that RadialContext, which is probably the best thing that happened to browsers since the mouse, is now available for Phoenix, or Thunderbird, or whatever.
A little note on that is you can change all the skins to pngs (do a global replace on the sript files) and lower the opacity to like 70% or so. suddenly you've got transparenty menus! Looks sweet as all heck. -
I should shut my pie hole.I just nabbed the last nightliesinstaller that someone was so kind to make. It (20030411) seems to work so far, except you can't drag links to the bookmark toolbar from the location bar.
And to further prove I'm a retread, here is the page for whiny bitch windows users like me to install a choice of nightlies.
I'll go stand in the corner.
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I should shut my pie hole.I just nabbed the last nightliesinstaller that someone was so kind to make. It (20030411) seems to work so far, except you can't drag links to the bookmark toolbar from the location bar.
And to further prove I'm a retread, here is the page for whiny bitch windows users like me to install a choice of nightlies.
I'll go stand in the corner.
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Re:Serious question
I just wish some browser maker would do better caching. I'm so tired on clicking "Back" and the browsers sits and spins for a long time. It's in the freaking cache, you dimwit pile of crap!
Actually that is the web site's fault in most cases, not a browser problem. Lots of web sites will send the page with HTTP headers that disallow caching the pages. That's because they display ads and want to boost page views, or because they have a stupid content management system that cannot figure out the difference between a document with static content (even if the HTML is generated from a database, the content is often static) and a document with truly dynamic content (i.e. content calculated from previous user input).
With such web sits, browsers have to either ignore the HTTP standard or not cache the page.
If you are a Mozilla or Phoenix user, you might be interested in the LiveHTTPHeaders plugin that displays will display the HTTP headers that were sent with a page. This is great for developing web sites, but for example will also show you that Slashdot sends a "Pragma: no-cache" and a "Cache-control: no-cache" header with each response, so don't expect caching to work here. At least Slashdot allows caching of images (except ads, of course), and they even include an "Expires" header (request date + 7 days) so your browser won't have to verify if its cached version is up to date. (If a browser has something in its cache that doesn't have an expiration date, it will usually send a conditional request with an "If-Modified-Since" header field.)
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They're missing...
...The IE Skin to make mozilla look just like Internet Explorer, and mozilla mail like outlook. There's even an IE XP mozilla theme...
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Re:Reasons for using opera
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Re:Opera IS revolutionary
Mozilla has mouse gestures, head on over to mozdev
Opera doesn't add anything new or exciting to the menu. It's a total fish out of water in the land of free browsers. The free browser work better, offer greater range of choices and (with the exception of netscape) don't attempt to spam you with ads.
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Re:Mozilla vs IEI wandered mozdev.org for a minute because the given address didn't work, and then I found http://autoscroll.mozdev.org.
Thankya for the tip-off! Now I have the best of both worlds in Mozilla
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Re:Mozilla vs IE
I hope Mozilla developpers impliment the middle-click scrolling soon,
In the meantime, there's this -
Re:Testing with mozilla
What I would love to have is have something like the http header viewer built in so I don't have to pipe in pages to the validator manually.
A validator [w3.org] would be a better choice. It's a proper syntax checker, not just a linter.