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Microsoft's whole goal in the IE/Netscape war was to make its webpages incompatible with Netscape. We still see crap like that today.

I think the only hope for actually implementing web standards lies in demonstrating the superiority of products like Mozilla Firefox. Don't expect any development from Microsoft on this front; the more exclusive they can make their browser, the better (in their eyes).

I don't expect to Longhorn/the new IE giving anything helpful to web standards.

So what you're saying is:

Check all of these 3rd-party sites that I have chosen which list a bunch of security holes for Explorer. How evil! Now check a specific query that I have chosen. See! No bugs!

Well, duh. If you get to pick the evidence, you can prove whatever you want. I'll try my hand at this game. Try this page. 9 serious security issues in the November 2003 update. And I was even nice and kept it on Mozilla's own site. These are the vulnerabilities that were fixed in the last release. Good job, but that isn't any better than the IE story.

BTW, I wasn't very impressed with the vulnerabilities on the pages you linked to. Some of them are "vulnerabilities that must be executed in the My Computer domain" (um, the My Computer domain means you are a program on the local computer, so how is that a vulnerability?), others that exploit holes in 3rd party plugins, and others that require the user to click OK a couple of times. I'm really not sure how you can consider any of those as real problems with IE. Sure, they're opportunities for social engineering, but those aren't security flaws any more than any other program that allows you to download code from the Internet. Yep -- FTP is an insecure program, because if you type "GET program.exe", then double click on program.exe, it runs code on your computer!

The ones that actually seem to be dangerous and due to actual problems with Explorer and not false alarms or 3rd-party issues, well they don't seemt to work very well. Perhaps they've been patched?

Honestly, I use both IE and FireFox. They both have pros and cons. They both have security issues. But neither one has a clear advantage in terms of security. Hackers are creative, and they come up with new attacks every day. No code is perfect, but it seems that everybody is doing the best they can do.

Yeah, Mozilla always seemed a bit bloated. Try Firefox.

Minimo would gain a lot of users if they made a Qtopia port.

It starts.

...how soon will PDAs boot directly into Mozilla?

I know, i know... not too soon. Nor should Mozilla worry about the hardware side of things... So let's just say you boot linux and "use Mozilla as your shell", whatever that means.

But imagine the consequences of a beautiful, persistent, PDA platform-independent "netGUI" that was extensible and modular... Sounds like Microsoft may soon perceive its toes to be stepped upon again. The next showdown? Mozilla vs WinCE.

Is Mozilla becoming a reasonable platform for PDA application development? Sounds like that...

The primary focus of Minimo to date has been system with ~32-64 MB of RAM, running Linux and using the GTK toolkit. We have been investigating other platforms and toolkits.

Yes, and it's even called safe mode :)

IIRC, Ben Goodger mentioned on the MozillaZine forums that safe mode temporarily disables both extensions and themes. I wonder if it could work around bad profiles as well...

Bug #229062. It's target is set for 1.0beta. It should get fixed.. eventually ;)

It's coming. Actually, it's being worked on right now, and is going to break all existing extensions.

It can be loaded standalone as an application or it can be a mozilla/firefox plugin.

Sunbird

It's almost usable. I wish it was geared a bit towards multi-user being an outlook replacement. I have it setup right now for two users to get in and make changes, but there's no way to tell which user made the changes, etc. I'm sure it will improve over time.

*cough* Firefox Opera *cough*

I haven't seen a popup ad in ... wow ...

Alright, what email client do you use (Outlook, Thunderbird, AOL's built in)? You have a board full of geeks, I'm sure some of us are more than willing to help you.
Sadly, as far as I can tell, filtering does not exist in the built-in AOL email client (may be wrong, I've not touched it in many years, but I don't see in information on it in a quick google search). In that case, may I recommend Thunderbird its the email client from Mozilla, and works wonderfully. And again, I'm sure that /. is full of people who can tell you how to get it setup and running.

They do, in a way.

Mozilla.org and firefox are the top 2 results if you search for web browser. Interestingly, the top links are: Mozilla, Firefox, Opera (twice), Safari, Netscape (twice), Galeon, evolt.org's legacy browser archive, and webstandards.org, in that order. The first page doesn't mention MSIE at all. MSIE is listed 5th on the 2nd page, after lynx, anybrowser.org, amaya, and Konqueror.

It seems people who talk about browsers don't like to mention MSIE.

No, Puffin is not the next name of your favorite email client

But how do we know it's not the next name of my favorite web browser?

- Neil Wehneman

That said, I hate Opera's handling of history and typed-in links - it's slow, they show up in alphabetical order (if you type in part of a URL - otherwise I think it's random) and it's a FIFO system (so it's not based on last-visited or number of times visited or anything like that). Opera also seems to have more problems rendering content, and actually crashes more often than any of the Firefox nightlies.

I use Firefox on both Linux and Windows, and flash plays fine for me.

But hey, if you want to hug Lynx while bashing Disney and Microsoft, you go right ahead. =)

The military has visions of pilots flying planes by thought.

See Bug 40873 and Bug 18764. Summary is that Thunderbird (mail) lets you view .mht but the browser does not. And there's no way to save .mht with Mozilla.

See Bug 40873 and Bug 18764. Summary is that Thunderbird (mail) lets you view .mht but the browser does not. And there's no way to save .mht with Mozilla.

Create a file format that is basically just the web page plus dependent files

Well, multipart/related is that kind file format or content type although it is not mean for that purpose.

For other resons, is is likely that webmasters want use that type. I think about stylesheets.

(Mozilla browser do not support multipart/related. See bug 18764 or http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18764 .)

Mozilla talks to Exchange, besides being able to do POP3 mail. A colleage showed me this, but I didn't try it for myself. I think I saw docs about this on mozilla.org though. MAPI or IMAP? The docs can tell you which it can handle.

A related issue is the need for an Outlook-replacement to import .pst files. Mozilla can do this, and get all of the folders right, as well as attachments. This was not always so.

Personally, I'm hoping that the Ximian Connector is able to talk to the plain-jane Kolab server (which is the engine in SuSE's OpenExchange Server). I don't care to work with Exchange at all, but if I can't replace it, at least we have a few free clients that can interoperate with it. Another one of the contenders is Aethera, which also talks to Kolab.

Another critical issue is calendaring. I've seen WebDAV solutions for Mozilla, but Kolab handles this nicely.

My company offers several options for businesses looking to migrate off Outlook and/or Exchange, but I really like Kolab and have followed its development since the German government put its foot down and demanded an Outlook/Exchange replacement a couple of years ago.

Mozilla talks to Exchange, besides being able to do POP3 mail. A colleage showed me this, but I didn't try it for myself. I think I saw docs about this on mozilla.org though. MAPI or IMAP? The docs can tell you which it can handle.

A related issue is the need for an Outlook-replacement to import .pst files. Mozilla can do this, and get all of the folders right, as well as attachments. This was not always so.

Personally, I'm hoping that the Ximian Connector is able to talk to the plain-jane Kolab server (which is the engine in SuSE's OpenExchange Server). I don't care to work with Exchange at all, but if I can't replace it, at least we have a few free clients that can interoperate with it. Another one of the contenders is Aethera, which also talks to Kolab.

Another critical issue is calendaring. I've seen WebDAV solutions for Mozilla, but Kolab handles this nicely.

My company offers several options for businesses looking to migrate off Outlook and/or Exchange, but I really like Kolab and have followed its development since the German government put its foot down and demanded an Outlook/Exchange replacement a couple of years ago.

Some advice from someone who is keeping a vigilant eye on these XPI files: Unzip the file, do a grep or a findstr for the string "XMLHttpRequest". This is the API function that allows installed extensions to send and receive data though the internet. I know for a fact that the User Agent Switcher extension uses this function to secretly get a small text file. This occurs when checking for an update.

>> That's what allowed Netscape to use Mozilla as its core and still close it up and sell it.

Um, Netscape no longer sells a browser. And the source isn't closed, just have a look at the Mozilla Roadmap. For each Netscape 6.x-7.x release, there has been a code only release from Mozilla for that particular version.

The only thing that is closed is the branding, ie, Netscape logo and other material, that is not under an open license.

I hate it when people go back and forth, and can't really nail down what they want to do.

DON'T CLICK HERE.

How can I and Microsoft help the Mozilla foundation write a patent unencumbered cross platform XAML implementation so the goodness of XAML is available to Firefox users no matter what their platform.

Fixed last month:

Bug 238684: Onload XPI installs should be blocked by default

I don't think this MS schmuck is saying re-write Firefox in XAML, or if he is then he is an idiot. However, the Windows implementation of XUL and the Gecko runtime could make use of Longhorn APIs. The current Windows implementations definitely make use of Win32 APIs, just read the build instructions for Windows. Going from XUL to XAML is just a matter of doing an XSLT transformation. Firefox could still be done in cross-platform XUL, just its implementation on Longhorn systems could make use of Longhorn specific APIs, kinda like its implementation on Linux making use of GTK+ for example.

I have blocked pop-ups, and it goes fine for me. I am using Mozilla firefox.I like the Wikipedia article better because they don't have pop-ups or ads at all!

He was referring to Camino, not Safari. Safari is based on KHTML, the KPART that makes Konqueror a web browser.

safari's based on KHTML, not Gecko.

Could one not consider XAML just a re-implementation of the XML-based UI builder that the Mozilla guys developed?

Can anyone explain to me why a web browser would care about filesystems?

When will I be able to run Avalon on my Red Hat 9 machine?

Perhaps these guys would be better served by using Free systems for the functionality provided by XAML and Avalon. I happen to like the Mozilla system and Gnome works great for me. :)

Still using IE? Most modern browsers have a text zoom that works even with font sizes specified in pixels.

I took some precautions with my computer to prevent spyware but my roommate managed to mess it up pretty good, since then I have taken the correct steps to ensure protection. This is what I recommend if you want to keep a Windows computer safe from everything without paying for anything.

Whenever possible enable Automatic Updates for all applications (including Windows itself), if that's not an option update manually on a weekly basis.

System Protection:

Only use admin account when necessary.

Virus/Worm Protection/Removal:

Install AVG
Don't use Outlook Express use Thunderbird

Hacker/Worm Protection:

Enable XP Firewall (easiest) or Zonealarm or Kerio (my favorite)

Adware/Spyware/Pop-up Protection:

Don't use Internet Explorer use **** Frefox ****
If you have to use IE install the Google Toolbar
Run Spyware Blaster to give IE &/or Firefox more protection.
Install Spyware Guard and place in all users startup group to give real-time protection.

Adware/Spyware Removal:

Run SpyBot & Ad-Aware
In my experience each product alone doesn't get rid of everything, using both is the best way to go.

OR

Just take the Absolute Cheapest & Most Effective route and install Linux.

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If you install Firefox you will want the following plugins, use Firefox to download the plugins.

Shockwave
Flash
Java

I took some precautions with my computer to prevent spyware but my roommate managed to mess it up pretty good, since then I have taken the correct steps to ensure protection. This is what I recommend if you want to keep a Windows computer safe from everything without paying for anything.

Whenever possible enable Automatic Updates for all applications (including Windows itself), if that's not an option update manually on a weekly basis.

System Protection:

Only use admin account when necessary.

Virus/Worm Protection/Removal:

Install AVG
Don't use Outlook Express use Thunderbird

Hacker/Worm Protection:

Enable XP Firewall (easiest) or Zonealarm or Kerio (my favorite)

Adware/Spyware/Pop-up Protection:

Don't use Internet Explorer use **** Frefox ****
If you have to use IE install the Google Toolbar
Run Spyware Blaster to give IE &/or Firefox more protection.
Install Spyware Guard and place in all users startup group to give real-time protection.

Adware/Spyware Removal:

Run SpyBot & Ad-Aware
In my experience each product alone doesn't get rid of everything, using both is the best way to go.

OR

Just take the Absolute Cheapest & Most Effective route and install Linux.

********
If you install Firefox you will want the following plugins, use Firefox to download the plugins.

Shockwave
Flash
Java

You can get Calendar for Thunderbird

Install

OpenOffice.Org

Mozilla

VideoLAN

7-Zip

WinGimp

Open AntiVirus

Then see if the users can use them and get used to them. Then maybe when you do switch to Linux, they will be using the same apps, but under Linux. With maybe the exception of 7-Zip, no Linux port yet?

a text editor: is a wysiwyg html editor good enough?

a lisp interperter: well its not lisp but it supports javascript

a built in operating system: well they are soooo close

afaik the xul interface of mozilla supports writing of your own apps which should be running almost everywhere where mozilla is running, see calendar

so i think mozilla is a bit more advanced than emacs ;)

All that said, I find it quite odd that you wouldn't use the tab feature extensively, considering this post of yours (the avatar suits you). But maybe you just play Everquest all the time.

OTOH, I had a look at your site, and all you have there is some IE specific JavaScript stuff, and you also mention that you use IE as your browser ... strange, huh?

Thanks for sparing me the slew of obscenities, BTW. Oops, no you didn't ... too bad. Well, maybe you can say some nice things about my mother in your reply?

All that said, I find it quite odd that you wouldn't use the tab feature extensively, considering this post of yours (the avatar suits you). But maybe you just play Everquest all the time.

OTOH, I had a look at your site, and all you have there is some IE specific JavaScript stuff, and you also mention that you use IE as your browser ... strange, huh?

Thanks for sparing me the slew of obscenities, BTW. Oops, no you didn't ... too bad. Well, maybe you can say some nice things about my mother in your reply?

All that said, I find it quite odd that you wouldn't use the tab feature extensively, considering this post of yours (the avatar suits you). But maybe you just play Everquest all the time.

OTOH, I had a look at your site, and all you have there is some IE specific JavaScript stuff, and you also mention that you use IE as your browser ... strange, huh?

Thanks for sparing me the slew of obscenities, BTW. Oops, no you didn't ... too bad. Well, maybe you can say some nice things about my mother in your reply?

• Abiword - Word processor, supports .doc, .rtf, GPL.
• Open Office - Whole Office suite, including a database frontend and BASIC macro language.
• Perl - Scripting language
• Python - Scripting language
• Cygwin - UNIX emulator. Can create Windows programs, reliant on a cygwin1.dll.
• MinGW - Port of some of the UNIX utilities (BASH, gcc, vi...) to Windows.
• djgpp - UNIX emulator for DOS.
• Mozilla, Firefox, Thunderbird - Web browser, e-mail client, IRC client, lots more.
• Filezilla - FTP client.
• xchat - IRC client.
• putty, pscp, psftp and others - Telnet/SSH clients.
• Gaim - Client for IRC/Yahoo/MSN/ICQ/AIM and more.
• gzip - Compression (usually better than .zip).
• tar - Extracts/Makes tar archives.
• bzip2 - Totally ace compression (usually better than gzip).
• Info-ZIP - Support for .zip. Good free substitute for Winzip.
• 7-zip - Support for multiple compression formats.
• frhed - Hex editor
• Ext2fs - Several programs for doing Ext2 under Windows.
• Antiword - Converts documents out of the proprietary .doc format.
• MySQL - RDBMS.
• Apache - Web/Proxy server
• sendmail - Mail server
• squid - Proxy server
• freeamp - Audio player
• winlame - MP3 encoder
• cd-ex - MP3/OGG encoder?
• gimp - Very detailed graphics program.
• imagemagick - Graphic manipulation. Provides the 'convert' utility under UNIX.
• freeciv - Civilisation clone.
• gnuplot - Plotting package.
• TightVNC - A fork of VNC, with enhancements.
• RealVNC - The original VNC.
• rdesktop - Access Windows Terminal Services and Remote Desktops.
• Nmap - Well known port scanner.
• John the Ripper - Password cracker. Does NT and MD5.

can be found here and here.

...can be found here

The price of using pre-release software. For what it's worth, an overhaul of the SMTP UI is planned. From the Thunderbird plans:

Multiple SMTP Server Overhaul

We currently support multiple SMTP servers. However, the way we associate SMTP servers with accounts and how the user picks the outgoing SMTP server to use is a mess. We need to look at the issues involved with how we present and manage multiple SMTP servers to the user.

Yes, Mozilla Calendar / Sunbird stores your calendars locally on disk in a "calendar" folder.
But it also sends/retrieves calendars over WebDAV, which then are written to disk (possibly?).

The FAQ says so.

Yes, Mozilla Calendar / Sunbird stores your calendars locally on disk in a "calendar" folder.
But it also sends/retrieves calendars over WebDAV, which then are written to disk (possibly?).

The FAQ says so.

Yes, Mozilla Calendar / Sunbird stores your calendars locally on disk in a "calendar" folder.
But it also sends/retrieves calendars over WebDAV, which then are written to disk (possibly?).

The FAQ says so.

Who's spec?

The Curl spec?

The RDF spec?

The XUL spec?

The
FLEX spec?

The web is growing up, and there are plenty of specs.

From the Thunderbird website:
Mozilla Thunderbird is a Technology Preview.
This software may work well enough to be relied upon as your primary messaging client as it is based off a stable Mozilla 1.6 architecture. However, Mozilla Thunderbird is still a preview release, and therefore several features may not be complete.