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"Humans wrote the Bible -- God wrote the world" by XNormal · 1999-10-09 16:16 · Score: 1 · on New Mexico Drops Creationists, Decides to Evolve

Written by Catherine Faber, performed by filksinger Kathy Mar. You can download it on MP3.com

The Word of God

From desert cliff and mountaintop we trace the wide design,
Strike-slip fault and overthrust and syn and anticline. . .
We gaze upon creation where erosion makes it known,
And count the countless aeons in the banding of the stone.
Odd, long-vanished creatures and their tracks and shells are found;
Where truth has left its sketches on the slate below the ground.
The patient stone can speak, if we but listen when it talks.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.

There are those who name the stars, who watch the sky by night,
Seeking out the darkest place, to better see the light.
Long ago, when torture broke the remnant of his will,
Galileo recanted, but the Earth is moving still.
High above the mountaintops, where only distance bars,
The truth has left its footprints in the dust between the stars.
We may watch and study or may shudder and deny,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the sky.

By stem and root and branch we trace, by feather, fang and fur,
How the living things that are descend from things that were.
The moss, the kelp, the zebrafish, the very mice and flies,
These tiny, humble, wordless things---how shall they tell us lies?
We are kin to beasts; no other answer can we bring.
The truth has left its fingerprints on every living thing.
Remember, should you have to choose between them in the strife,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote life.

And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade,
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made,
Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand.
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.
Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed,
The truth has left its living word for anyone to read.
So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.

Holy Fire vs. Logan's Run by Fudge.Org · 1999-10-04 10:10 · Score: 1 · on Ask Bruce Sterling

What takes the COBOL (insert Java 10 years from now) programmer of yesteryear and places them at the top or bottom of the food chain?
Will society require that those of technical skills hone their arts and increase their own longevity?
Do you feel that the mankinds own revolutions have taken place revolved around central technologies which shapes those that also helped to shaped it?
If society continues to embrace its systems and technology pervasively, will it affect the manner in which power systems are allocated by imposed generational stratification or merely based on then present technological revolutions?

http://www.mp3.com/fudge/

You can tell that Jack Rickard is gone... by Fudge.Org · 1999-10-03 17:13 · Score: 1 · on "Fear and Flooding in Las Vegas"

When I read through a article like this I can only think back to why it would not have made it past Jack Rickard.

All I got out of this article is that hackers like to smoke?

There is no hacker ethic?

cDc can't trust themselves?

The self submission (if that was the case) doesn't help either.
http://www.mp3.com/fudge/

NSA portrayl vs. sysadmin/computer geek portrayl by Fudge.Org · 1999-09-25 08:26 · Score: 1 · on Ask Slashdot: What's the Real NSA Like?

Yeah, NSA types are portrayed as the buff special trained photogenic face types... however, if you looked "attractive" would people really _not_ notice you in a NSA spy guy kinda situation?

[NSA guy walks over to terminal just happening to be connected to something that would likely be airgapped in real life.]
[Pretty Girl just happens to stroll by]
Pretty Girl: Hee Hee... you look smart! Want to take me out to dinner?
NSA stud: Uhm... no... please leave me alone. I am very busy.
Pretty Girl: Wow! Do you know computers?
NSA stud: Uhm... no... I am merely a low key and unassuming cleaning person making sure this keyboard is clean.
Pretty Girl: Hee Hee... you are really cute for a cleaning person!
[NSA guy pulls out gun with silencer to kill Pretty Girl and cleverly dispose of body so that he can get past the login sequence of a convoluted MacOS or SGI looking interface]

I mean in most movies you get this swank does it all James Bond-esque profile guy that is NSA. Now, how effective on a mission would you be with people constantly trying to make passes at you? I think a good NSA type would be someone that looks like a real sysadmin type. Just passing on through... minding their business while jacking into some whacko convoluted mouse trap like system owned and run by some subvert organization deemed an enemy of the state[tm].
http://www.mp3.com/fudge/

Typical of mass media by Wanker · 1999-09-15 02:49 · Score: 4 · on Sony claims of Artist's Name URL For Life

This is not a particularly surprising inclusion. Media companies put all kinds of language in their standard contracts assigning ownership to The Company.

For example, cartoon companies routinely have the creator sign away rights to the characters and style, allowing The Company to continue to publish the strip even if the creator quits. I'm sure some of us remember how bitter Bill Watterson, creator of Calvin and Hobbes was...

Unfortunately, people go ahead and sign these contracts since their only other alternative is to be forever consigned to oblivion. Without a publisher, these artists would never have been noticed.

With the advent of cheap (or even free) web publishing, this is all changing. Anyone can make their art readily available-- witness the popularity (for both consumer and supplier) of mp3.com, User Friendly, and others.

The Internet is starting to force media publishers back into the role of promoters rather than controllers, and they are understandably upset and/or scared. Consumers will still need publishers to help pick out what is good, but they no longer need be restricted to only what the publishers wish to promote, so the publisher will no longer have the same power over the artists they once had.

Re:MetaModeration by Anonymous Coward · 1999-09-08 06:12 · Score: 3 · on Assorted Slashdot Updates

P.S. I HAVE AN ID but I refuse to log in. I am protesting the SNOBS at /. and their views of AC's...

Hmmm... I've been frequenting this site since January, and until now I've seen it as open, fun, and interesting. But since the deal with trolls and the W. Richard Stevens story, this place has become rather elitist.

It seems now that if you're an Anonymous Coward, you're somehow "bad," your posts aren't worth reading, and you don't deserve any respect. But if you have an account, people listen to you, moderators look favourably on you, and you're "part of the club." In fact, that's the way it seems. Slashdot is becoming a sort of exclusive club.

Now, on the other hand, requiring an account to post messages is not asking a lot. On many other website discussion groups, you need an account (like on MP3.com, for instance). An even better example would be this: In my city, we have a "FreeNet," where people can get free email and newsgroup access. There are also private newsgroups, exclusive to the FreeNet, in a variety of topics, where you can chat with local residents, post want ads, etc. It's actually a very nice service. But you need an account to post messages on the newsgroups and use the service to its fullest. Without an account, you can log in as a guest and read the newsgroups, but you can't post. Membership is free. (Though they beg you for money like mad...)

But having Anonymous Coward posting on Slashdot does have its advantages -- like inside information employees of a company could give that would get them fired if their identities were revealed. Even showing their IP address would be dangerous in this case. There is also the fact that it prevents newbies from feeling alienated when they first use the site, and it allows them to get a feel for it before getting an account.

Now, I read some of the offending W. Richard Stevens comments. That stuff is disgusting. But if you feel so strongly about this, why didn't you delete the obscene comments? How hard is that?

But back to my original point -- this is starting to become an exclusive club, of sorts. I've started to see less and less Anonymous Coward posts lately. Maybe you won't have to remove anonymous posting -- it'll die out by itself.

But then again... I'm just an Anonymous Coward -- what in the world do I know?

Audio Mixers Good and Cheap by zhongquo · 1999-08-05 23:47 · Score: 1 · on Ask Slashdot: Affordable, Functional Audio Mixers?

I have been doing a lot of mixing and pre/post-production on computers the last few years. Check out Water on mp3.com , if like what you hear give us some feed back we could use it. Check out Musicians Friend and look at the Berringer line of mixers, a lot cheaper than the nice Mackie brand, but just as good if not better.

Audio Mixers Good and Cheap by zhongquo · 1999-08-05 23:47 · Score: 1 · on Ask Slashdot: Affordable, Functional Audio Mixers?

I have been doing a lot of mixing and pre/post-production on computers the last few years. Check out Water on mp3.com , if like what you hear give us some feed back we could use it. Check out Musicians Friend and look at the Berringer line of mixers, a lot cheaper than the nice Mackie brand, but just as good if not better.

RIAA is a dinosaur by sawdust · 1999-08-05 07:17 · Score: 1 · on Diamond and RIAA finally settle lawsuits

Free music is the way to go. Who cares if I can't hear Celene Dion or Mariah Carey ?? The problem here is that people are whining "I won't be able to hear my favourite artist on mp3 because the RIAA wants to protect their work by using proprietary music encoding". Well guess what ? Don't listen. If the artist you enjoy won't release their work in the format you desire, why are you still listening ? The sad fact is that the person who owns the copyright gets to decide on the method of distribution and they mostly choose the kind which will squeeze the most money out of you.
If you really want to hear certain artists or certain songs which are only available under this new format, well then you've got to play their game and shell out the money for the appropriate equipment and downloads. Just like if you want to run Microsoft Word. Otherwise - find an alternative. Support the musicians that acknowledge that you have rights as music consumers. If you download a song and store it using your resources IT'S YOUR SONG. Same as GNU is your software.
It's darwinism, folks. The formats you support are the ones which will survive. If you don't take any shit, it's much less likely they'll try and give you any.

More info & analysis by Chops-Frozen-Water · 1999-08-05 03:17 · Score: 1 · on Diamond and RIAA finally settle lawsuits

...at mp3.com. I kinda wish Diamond would've pressed the countersuit against the RIAA (on monopoly practice and the AHRA's constitutionality) but from Diamond's point-of-view, it doesn't do well to litigate against people you're wanting some partnership with...
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Re:Not quite by Anonymous Coward · 1999-07-22 00:35 · Score: 0 · on MP3.com goes public: Public goes Crazy

Exactly. It seems to me that the people/organizations really making money on these internet IPOs lately are the underwriters, not us poor slobs wishing we were day trading our way to retirement.

mp3.com did something really cool wiht their ipo, they offered 9 million shares to artists who participated in the site before a certain date(last may I think) of which I got 500(down to 300 after some first day profit taking).

it was a really nice gesture to all the people who basically created the content for the site. I heard red hat is going to do the same with their ipo.

bravo mp3.com!

(currently about 17g richer) jimmy
http://www.mp3.com/artists/6/jimmy_fountain.html

One thing missing from comments by LeBleu · 1999-07-10 03:48 · Score: 1 · on Feature:The Empire Strikes Back

Ok all, there's lots of good comments here, but one thing missing... links to places to get *legal* MP3s!

GoodNoise - I like this place, they have some free mp3s, plus mp3s at $1/song or $10 for an entire album. They even are set up so if your download is interuppted, you can still go and get the music. They have some good artists, including my personal fave, They Might Be Giants.

MP3.com - I haven't really used this place much, they have a *ton* of mp3s available for download free, but last I checked it was kind've hard to find out who was good and who isn't, this may have improved now though.

Also, if you're an artist, check out D.A.M. (Digital Automatic Music) System . They give you 50% of the sales from CDs! With a non-exclusive contract! I don't make music myself, but this sounds like a really great deal to me.

One thing missing from comments by LeBleu · 1999-07-10 03:48 · Score: 1 · on Feature:The Empire Strikes Back

Ok all, there's lots of good comments here, but one thing missing... links to places to get *legal* MP3s!

GoodNoise - I like this place, they have some free mp3s, plus mp3s at $1/song or $10 for an entire album. They even are set up so if your download is interuppted, you can still go and get the music. They have some good artists, including my personal fave, They Might Be Giants.

MP3.com - I haven't really used this place much, they have a *ton* of mp3s available for download free, but last I checked it was kind've hard to find out who was good and who isn't, this may have improved now though.

Also, if you're an artist, check out D.A.M. (Digital Automatic Music) System . They give you 50% of the sales from CDs! With a non-exclusive contract! I don't make music myself, but this sounds like a really great deal to me.

The fatal flaw of record companies by barabbi · 1999-07-09 05:07 · Score: 2 · on Feature:The Empire Strikes Back

So a cassette costs how much to make? About $3 from last i heard. And a blank cd costs anywhere from $.50 to $1. How are they getting away with a $18.99 cd and a $12.99 cassette when the cds are cheaper to manufacture? Why do we put up with this?? Oh wait, we don't. At least not much.

The cd's are more popular than cassettes and therefore they can charge more in good capitalist ethic. The royalties they give the actual artist are a pittance for all but the highest sold artists.

That they think that their new format for music and/or legal action against mp3 sites is just not realistic. Free music for the taking, and they think they can police the net for *mp3, HA!

This is the downfall of the music monopoly.

I see the future of music being that the artist sells either albums or mp3s off of a site like mp3.com or off of their direct website.

However, in defense of what the music industry is doing right now... We are all stealing property by downloading mp3s that we don't own the cds for. This hurts the artists, the record companies, and us as consumers by raising the prices for the albums we do buy.

I'll admit, I trade mp3s, my friends do, business partners trade with me for songs, it's everywhere. I try to make it a point to buy cd's that i really like, but with the massive amounts of music out there for the taking, who can say no to free music?

We are all at fault who have a mp3 collection, but i'd suggest buying music when you can to support artists, especially good independent ones. Sure i don't buy all the music i have an mp3 for, but i do still buy cds.

Support the cause, buy Linux apps/games, buy Music from online vendors, help development.

"I don't like it" doesn't void the law by PapaZit · 1999-07-09 02:55 · Score: 1 · on Feature:The Empire Strikes Back

Whether you like 'em or not, there are intellectual property laws. Sure, the RIAA and the major labels are a bunch of greedy idiots who deserve to fall, but they have the law on their side, and, believe it or not, we don't want to change that.

The laws were put in place for the musicians. If I'm a professional songwriter, I'd like to be paid for my work. Without the copyright laws, I don't get paid, and I end up flipping burgers for a living. If I'm a musician, I'd like to at least choose whether or not to get a cut of the money that others make from my work. If a musician wants to give away CDs but charge for radio play (a bad idea, IMO), they should be allowed to try. Some people seem to be proposing that all music be free, regardless of the wishes of the author or performer. This seems shortsighted to me.

As I see it, these are the major problems with the current situation:

Most musicians don't want to deal with business crap, and the record companies offer a "package deal": we take care of everything, in exchange for most of your profits.
When you're busting your ass playing dive bars for gas money, an advance of several thousand dollars sounds really, really good, even if the per-album profit is disgustingly small.
While there are indie labels that treat bands with more respect, they don't have the international reach of the major labels, and $.50 each on 10,000 records is still more money than $5 each on 100 records.

At the moment, I have about 10G of MP3s on my home computer. NONE of them are illegal. Most are from my CD collection, but I also have a bunch of stuff from mp3.com & other sites that allow downloads, some stuff from goodnoise, er, emusic, and some stuff from a local band that gave me permission to record some of their stuff.

Like anyone else with a fat net feed, I could get this stuff for free, but I don't. There's a lot of music out there that I'd really like to have, but if the only legal way to get it is to buy the CD, I buy it or do without. The musicians deserve a cut of my money, in whatever method they choose (traditional CD sales, pay-per-listen, or mp3 sales). If I don't like it, I don't listen.

Katz is both right _and_ wrong by brennanw · 1999-07-08 22:50 · Score: 5 · on Feature:The Empire Strikes Back

John Katz is correct in his assertion that the RIAA (the organization that represents the major labels) is trying desperately to take control of music distribution over the internet. He is also correct in implying that the MP3 music format is part of a revolution that could, if we play our cards right, topple over the stranglehold that the "big 5" have had on music distribution in the United States and all over the world.

Where he is entirely wrong, however, is in the assertion that the sites the RIAA are targeting are in any way associated with this new revolution.

Pirate music sites are nothing new, have been nothing new, and will be nothing new. Nothing that they do will ever have any appreciable affect on the music industry, and anyone who believes so is just buying into the RIAA's propaganda. The RIAA likes to use pirate sites as their straw man because they can't touch the real threat: the musicians and web sites that post MP3s of music that are 100% legal.

As a musician who posts his music on the internet in the MP3 format, I am much more of a threat to the RIAA than a ripped & encoded pirated copy of anything put out by Nine Inch Nails.

Sure, NIN is a lot more popular and well known than the Baptist Death Ray. Sure, NIN is sought after and will be downloaded more than the Baptist Death Ray. But the Baptist Death Ray and other artists with similar beliefs are setting up a dangerous precident: that it's OK for the artist, not a record label, to decide who is allowed to download what music. And that the artist, not the record label, can take full responsibility of his/her product.

Of course, the RIAA can't force musicians to go to labels, can't force musicians to relinquish their rights to their music, so they claim they are trying to protect their artists from piracy. Bull. They are trying to protect the industry from the Baptist Death Ray, Bruce Satinover, Mickey Dean and his Talking Guitar, MadelynIris, and every other musician who wilingly, of their own volition, and more importantly legally releases their music in the MP3 format for free download and distribution.

The RIAA has been targeting sites of pirated music and forcing the site maintainers to shut them down. Whoopee. What they can't do, and what will really bring them down if this takes off, is make me and my comerades-in-arms stop releasing music under the MP3 format.

Chris Wright
the Baptist Death Ray

Baptist Death Ray on MP3.com

Baptist Death Ray on AMP3.com

Music Revolution by Waav · 1999-07-08 22:49 · Score: 1 · on Feature:The Empire Strikes Back

What Katz neglects to mention in his article is the other major effect that the mp3 revolution is having on the music industry. Small bands like my own ( Billingsgate) have been able to reach an international audience using mp3's and avoiding selling ourselves out to a major label. For established artists, this influx of small bands into the common market is going to force these established artists to rebel against their labels to continue competing against the incoming army of small bands. On that note, please check out my band's music at mp3.com. --Random Brainwaavs

Re:Hack KKK (Don't) by eshefer · 1999-07-04 01:14 · Score: 0 · on Seti@HOME Cracked By Aliens?

agreed.

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Re:It's a giant game of chicken by eshefer · 1999-07-03 04:42 · Score: 1 · on Intel Undercuts AMD

I agree.. It's just in this game of chicken on one side there is a motorcycle and on the other side a semitrailer..

Intel have done this price busting game with amd for a long time. Thats, BTW, is why the Xeons are so expensive. I don't know if there is any (large - intel profits on every chip they sell) profit in the celeron range. The Xeons have been offsetting this for the past year.

Intel are very smart at changing the price model to accomidate these changes in the industry based on competition. this is really no big suprise.
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Re:ok, here goes.. by eshefer · 1999-07-01 04:13 · Score: 1 · on French revolt against Prime Meridian-Sort Of

the Americans invented the car? I didn't know Karl Benz was american..
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Re:Cringely misses it, this time. by eshefer · 1999-06-30 23:07 · Score: 1 · on Cringely's take on "Pirates of Silicon Valley"

Yup, I agree.

As I said, I didn't get to see the TNT film yet. But the part about Apple stealing the Xerox GUI is definetly wrong or a least inacurate, since there was a agreement between Apple and Xerox (which IMHO even Cringely misses, or at least downplays, in TOTN. Kind of makes me wonder why XEROX didn't sue MS too (or did they?).

The web site of the TNT film has made some serious mistakes too. I noticed in Steve Jobs Bio they say the NeXT folded in 1993, This is not only wrong, but it also shows how they totaly missed one of the dramatic moments in Apples history, the 1996 Apple aquisition of NeXT and the return of the other steve to that computer/fruit company.

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Cringely misses it, this time. by eshefer · 1999-06-30 21:47 · Score: 1 · on Cringely's take on "Pirates of Silicon Valley"

I really like what Cringely writes, useally.

this time it's more like a cry baby responce.

Based on Woz remarkes the TNT film was probably a very good prtrail of those early days. He really liked His portrail and Jobs. He also notes that they get some stuff wrong, mostly technical and time fraim mistakes, but does that really matter?

I should note that I didn't see the TNT film so maybe I'M wrong.

BTW, you guys better check Woz.org again, he added a LOT of cool replies to emails including a lot of Apple history scoops and insights. And some stuff about his other projects CL9, the USfests of 82 and 83. And meaty stuff about blue boxs and the like..

gets better everyday.

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Re:A little sad. by eshefer · 1999-06-29 06:07 · Score: 1 · on Slashdot Acquired by Andover.net

very true.

those pathetic posts coased Rob to develop the moderation system which killed those posts almost entierly. That's one of the biggest achivments of /.
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the Beagle Bros.. by eshefer · 1999-06-23 21:48 · Score: 1 · on Wozniak's Comments on "Pirates"

ahh the memories come back too me..

the peeks and pokes the one line BASIC programs.. ahhh.

Anyone know who exactly were the Beagle Bros, btw?
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Re:Old Woz stories by eshefer · 1999-06-23 09:15 · Score: 1 · on Wozniak's Comments on "Pirates"

the kissinger story is true, and that friend was the other steve. I don't know the story about the spreadsheet. But I remember reading that he actualy wrote a version of visicalc that run faster then the original.. Maybe that's what you refare too.

As for why he was worring about getting fired from apple.. Hmmm.. look what happened to that other founder.
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yet another slashdotted site. by eshefer · 1999-06-23 09:08 · Score: 1 · on Wozniak's Comments on "Pirates"

Yes,

history in the making: Slashdot users crash Steve Wosniak site.. :-|

Maybe rob will be the pirate in the sequal.. :-)

(can anyone mirror the thing, or post it as a comment?)
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yup, That sums it up right.. :-) by eshefer · 1999-06-18 11:03 · Score: 1 · on Gary Kasparov vs. The World

"It's like asking who would win a race between a cheetah and a thousand people with their ankles tied together."

definetly!
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The "world" has no chance. by eshefer · 1999-06-18 06:09 · Score: 1 · on Gary Kasparov vs. The World

people can't do the type of parralel computing together, sorry. At least not the sort of computing that is necacery for chess. the voting method is stupid since the most common or obvious move to a large body of people will rarly be the best move.

also there will be no strategy and no cognative forward thinking. I don't see this working.

This problem also highlights one of the problems of democracy, actually.. if you look at the goas curve 50% of people are below average.. (still for governing contries democracy is the best known method out of all the other options..)

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same thing happened to macworld.. by eshefer · 1999-06-16 01:32 · Score: 1 · on January LinuxWorldExpo date & location moved

macworld (next month) was schedualed to take place in boston but was moved to NY in the end. The reason in macworlds case was that size/visability in NY is greater.

I guess that the same thing applies to linuxworld. Very good.
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Re:Will RIAA take note? by AlienJ · 1999-06-15 23:19 · Score: 1 · on DIVX is dead

Hell no. Most of the royalties the RIAA gets their paws on only goes to a select number of bands. These guys are the ones that will be making sure the SDMI (Stupid Dumb Moneygrubbin' Idea-for-a-format) is only used for their stuff. Not that this is going to keep Joe Highschooler from making a MP3 of the CD, mind you.

What is starting to worry me is how we are now seeing the big guns buy all the little guys... AOL buys Winamp. Someone else buys Fraunhoffer(sp? Sorry - too lazy to look it up).

To me this is A Real Bad Thing(tm). That is the only way the RIAA is going to get their format everywhere is to get the other money grubbers to go along with their plans is to buy everything up and put the stuff in it. This is why I don't use Real Audio's stuff - they have that a2b stuff all over in it, plus it does all that encrypted MP3 stuff.

I had been using some other things to compress MP3 here, but since MusicMatch did all the things that Winamp/CDEX do with the 4.0 release this past week, I switched to it and acutally bought a copy of it! I just hope someone does not now come along and gobble up MM - which I am afraid is going to happen.

Anyway, you know it and I know it - any format that is designed by lawyers is doomed from the start.

BTW, check out Mojo Nixon's kick ass comments about MP3. It is well worth the read.

Re:Top Secret!! AMD's marketing plan by eshefer · 1999-06-09 08:38 · Score: 1 · on K7 Info

One big diferance between MS and AMD.

MS makes money.

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Re:Migration toward free distribution by eshefer · 1999-06-05 08:45 · Score: 1 · on Upside downsides MP3.COM.

Upside's article is valid, it's wrong, but it's valid.

MP3.com is about to issue a 100million$ IPO riding on the mp3 hype. the upside article is sceptical if it's worthy of the hype from a buisness stand point. I think Upside got it wrong in more then one way. But you comment totaly misses the mark.

Mp3.com isn't a no-for-profit organization, they do intend to make money and they are interested in raising investment money to do so. Upside is skeptical of whether the hype is warented. that's all. There fears are valid.

I do think that the reasoning in the Upside article is wrong. But that's beside the point.
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Re:MP3.com issues by eshefer · 1999-06-05 06:49 · Score: 1 · on Upside downsides MP3.COM.

interesting.

I didn't notice the METAspamming before. This is annoying.
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