Slashdot Mirror

The first engine I used extensively was Yahoo. Eventually, as their pages filled up with graphics and bloat, they displayed very little information per page load, and each page load was getting excruciatingly slow.

Dogpile to the rescue. I became an avid Dogpile fan.

Then Google came along. I liked Dogpile. But Google was so thorough, their sorting algorithm worked to my liking, and their link and paidspace presentations were so clean. Designed from the get-go for fast pageloads. A very clean system.

Now, it appears to me Yahoo is going the way of AOL, trying to squeeze the last bit of profit out of captive audiences. I had to leave SBC because Yahoo saw their captive ISP subscribers ahd sweet-talked PacBell into a business partnership where we ISP subscribers would receive a mandate to load proprietary Yahoo software on our end, software that would only load on other Proprietary operating systems. They want to collect all sorts of info on us by having everything we do subject to all sorts of logins and registrations.

Until Congress steps up to the plate and holds businesses responsible for info leaks, irregardless of what was 'agreed' to in the EULA, I do not want to be pasting my private info onto the net. I do not want my private info on the web. If I have a pile of rocks in my yard, and some neighbor kid gets hurt, I am responsible. If an oil company pipe ruptures, making a mess, they are responsible. If they can't pass law holding those who used the info I give them responsibly, then I will resist like all getout giving them accurate info ( although I will quite readily give them something completely wrong to put in the box.). I know Microsoft has this passport thing that they seem to require to do anything. That passport thing is the reason I dropped my Hotmail addy.

This is the same problem I see with the banks. When the FDIC steps in to guarantee depositors security of their savings, no-one seems to be much interested in the internal workings or security of the bank. With the law granting indemnity for identity thefts from leaking servers, no-one seems much concerned with security. Its given great lip service for PR purposes, but I haven't seen this lip service reflected in code and algoritms. Its just putting all sorts of military-style locks and steel plating on the front door, while leaving all the windows wide open. So far, from all I've seen, its all for show.

As many people know, Google's search services are powered by Linux.

Did you try the link with microsoft.com instead of google? Microsoft's site is also linux based.

Sure, but it would be running on Linux.

www.microsoft.com runs Linux? Up to a point ...

It's hard to say failure when the top 50 uptime websites are all hosted on some variant of BSD. Crazy...

As of 2002...

I see little reason to believe they've stopped.

More recently, out of the top 13 hosting providers in September (as far as failures goes), most (seven) ran FreeBSD (3 Win2K, 2 Linux, 1 Solaris). You can see that Netcraft data here.

Hmmm... "dying" and "lost vigor" indeed. ;)

More recently, out of the top 13 hosting providers in September (as far as failures goes), most (seven) ran FreeBSD (3 Win2K, 2 Linux, 1 Solaris). You can see that Netcraft data here.

Hmmm... "dying" and "lost vigor" indeed. ;)

They had to ask whether it was hosted on their own servers or not.
What, they couldn't find anyone who knew how to look it up?

Kind of, The site www.msdn.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Windows Server 2003.

Their up time average is an astounding 18 days! Max was 112 days. Looks like they are finally learning something!

Now if you could just install service packs and sucurity patches without rebooting. When they get to that point, Server 2003 will be Enterprise Ready!

Netcraft uptime

Until someone answers these questions I won't start *blaming* MSFT for bad security. It could simply be inevitable that a popular system has more exploits.

Netcraft says that Apache web server has 64.61% marketshare, while IIS has 23.46%.

We all know which one has more security flaws..

There goes the theory that more popular == more exploits.

Netcraft data

Um...that URL is for a Linux machine.

Compare Apache's webserver market share to that of Microsoft IIS. Compare the number of exploitable vulnerabilities in those products, and the severity of the results.

Compare Sendmail's SMTP server market share to that of Microsoft Exchange. Compare the number of exploitable vulnerabilities in those products, and the severity of the results.

Compare Oracle's (or IBM's) SQL RDBMS market share to that of Microsoft SQL Server. Compare the number of exploitable vulnerabilities in those products, and the severity of the results.

Deduction: Microsoft manages to lead in introducing exploitable vulnerabilities to market segments, with severe results, even in segments where they do not enjoy market share leadership.

Now that's innovation! :)

To be blunt and honest, Microsoft designed and maintained its operating system product(s) in ways that failed to take security (and multiple users, and networking, and...) into consideration for far too long, and now finds itself in the unenviable position of being the only operating system vendor most people have even heard of that doesn't have a properly secure operating system.

-Dan (whose new "cheesegrater" G5 has fewer holes than Windows)

Dang. I was hoping to find that this SCO consultant was going to owe $699 himself, but netcraft sez he's running FreeBSD.

--

The site www.hardwareanalysis.com is running Apache/1.3.28 on Linux.

Here is the evidence:

Pos. Requests Site name Average Max Latest OS Server Netblock Owner
1 13458 www.microsoft.com 51 202 43 Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 Level 3 Communications, Inc.
2 4098 www.netcraft.com 24 319 7 FreeBSD Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_perl/1.27 Netcraft
3 2839 www.google.com 73 172 11 Linux GWS/2.1 Google Inc.
4 2623 www.daiko-lab.co.jp 1613 1660 1661 FreeBSD Apache/1.2.4 Daiko Corporation
5 2356 www.yahoo.com 44 229 79 FreeBSD unknown HotJobs.com, Ltd.
6 2287 microsoft.com 11 137 24 unknown Microsoft-IIS/6.0 Microsoft Corp
7 2250 www.ebay.com - - - NT4/Windows 98 Microsoft-IIS/4.0 eBay, Inc
8 2148 www.hotmail.com 18 198 4 Windows 2000 Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Microsoft Corp
9 2116 www.apple.com 8 69 25 MacOSX Apache/1.3.28 (Darwin) PHP/4.3.2 Apple Computer, Inc.
10 2012 windowsupdate.microsoft.com 68 242 206 Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 Level 3 Communications, Inc.
Maybe they got hacked. What do I know?

Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) on Linux.

What's funnier is that www.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Linux

The site www.royalbank.com is running IBM_HTTP_SERVER on AIX.

Gosh, as a courtesy, you should really give Yahoo, NetCraft and the rest of these folks this important advice.

Interesting to note that Forbes.com is run on a FreeBSD box. Silly capitalists.

> I do know that the reason we have Microsoft Server today is that the lawsuit scared companies into abandoning BSD.

No Microsoft Servers in the TOP 50 sites (longest uptimes) - guess what OS they are running on :))) Link :)

So this is why FreeBSD is 'dying'. Or maybe are you talking about this instead? .Trolls.

Have mercy, this poor server is a little Wintel box running IIS 5 on Win2k!

I'm on FSU's campus in my office and through our LAN can't BARELY even reach the poor piece of fried silicon art we're creating on that machine right now! Perhaps they'll scan the smoldering processor from that box soon and show us a big /. image etched right on it ;)

www.netcraft.com
isnt this ironic?
cheers!

Look at the articles: "why you won't be getting a linux pc" "mad Matt", the Linux "bandwagon" and "cult".

The cult reality is that Forbes is in the American cult of capitalism. Here's a clue for you clueless suits: capitalism is a multi-faceted tool, not a religioin. The "comrade" comment in the mentioned article merely shows that Forbes believes in the cult position that whatever shovels money towards the rich must be right, because gee, that's capitalism.

What's even more interesting is from uptime.netcraft:

(begine block quote)
OS, Web Server and Hosting History for www.forbes.com

OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner

FreeBSD Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) 19-Jun-2003 63.240.4.179 CERFnet
unknown Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) 22-Jun-2002 63.240.4.179 CERFnet
unknown Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 23-Feb-2002 63.240.4.179 CERFnet
unknown Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 14-Feb-2002 63.240.4.200 CERFnet
FreeBSD Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 13-Feb-2002 63.240.4.200 CERFnet
unknown Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 8-Feb-2002 63.240.4.200 CERFnet
FreeBSD Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 7-Feb-2002 63.240.4.200 CERFnet
unknown Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 16-Dec-2001 63.240.4.200 CERFnet
FreeBSD Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 15-Dec-2001 63.240.4.200 CERFnet
unknown Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) 24-Oct-2001 63.240.4.200 CERFnet

(end block quote)

Who cares? The important thing is the information is out there and available. The petty little remarks that show up in many submissions are tiresome and only serve to polarize people. When that happens, no one is willing to consider the other side's views.

And since the submitter wants to bring netcraft into it, check this out. As of this writing (it's a report over the last day so it may change), the top ranked server is running Win2k, followed by Solaris, then Linux. Of the top 20, 6 are running Windows, 4 Solaris, 5 BSD, and 5 Linux. Longest uptimes? BSD takes the prize, holding all 50 spots on the chart. The headline story at Netcraft states that for the month of September, in the category of fewest failed requests, Windows held the top spot and 3 of the top 6 places, and 7 of the top 13 are running FreeBSD.

So while you, submitter "limbicsystem", may be happy that the PLOS is running Linux on one of their web servers because you're a fan of Linux, maybe as a fan of science you should regret that and instead wish for a site on BSD or even Windows.

Who cares? The important thing is the information is out there and available. The petty little remarks that show up in many submissions are tiresome and only serve to polarize people. When that happens, no one is willing to consider the other side's views.

And since the submitter wants to bring netcraft into it, check this out. As of this writing (it's a report over the last day so it may change), the top ranked server is running Win2k, followed by Solaris, then Linux. Of the top 20, 6 are running Windows, 4 Solaris, 5 BSD, and 5 Linux. Longest uptimes? BSD takes the prize, holding all 50 spots on the chart. The headline story at Netcraft states that for the month of September, in the category of fewest failed requests, Windows held the top spot and 3 of the top 6 places, and 7 of the top 13 are running FreeBSD.

So while you, submitter "limbicsystem", may be happy that the PLOS is running Linux on one of their web servers because you're a fan of Linux, maybe as a fan of science you should regret that and instead wish for a site on BSD or even Windows.

Who cares? The important thing is the information is out there and available. The petty little remarks that show up in many submissions are tiresome and only serve to polarize people. When that happens, no one is willing to consider the other side's views.

And since the submitter wants to bring netcraft into it, check this out. As of this writing (it's a report over the last day so it may change), the top ranked server is running Win2k, followed by Solaris, then Linux. Of the top 20, 6 are running Windows, 4 Solaris, 5 BSD, and 5 Linux. Longest uptimes? BSD takes the prize, holding all 50 spots on the chart. The headline story at Netcraft states that for the month of September, in the category of fewest failed requests, Windows held the top spot and 3 of the top 6 places, and 7 of the top 13 are running FreeBSD.

So while you, submitter "limbicsystem", may be happy that the PLOS is running Linux on one of their web servers because you're a fan of Linux, maybe as a fan of science you should regret that and instead wish for a site on BSD or even Windows.

The PLoS information site indeed runs on Linux, but it's perhaps worth mentioning that the PLoS Biology journal itself runs on a rather less open platform. Kudos to PLoS for their launch though.

For more on the ever-expanding open access movement in science, see Peter Suber's excellent blog: Open Access News.

Also, check out the other major open access publisher, BioMed Central. BioMed Central launched in 2000 and has already published more than 3000 peer reviewed biomedical research articles.

But be prepared to back-pedal when they point out that many systems can't make the list because they do not report uptime. Also other systems, (Linux, for example) cannot make it to the top of the list because they roll over their uptime counter at 497 days.

Nevertheless, there are some competitors left and the BSD's have completely dominated them.

Linux was still in its infancy back then (being just a teen now), so a linux server running for ten years on ten years old hardware wouldn't give much benefit...

Funny pic!

Appropriate in a way as well, since the rumor of the untimely demise of *BSD is so persistant. Maybe that explains the uptime of all the FreeBSD based Apache boxes out there. They are so stable they keep running even from the grave.

That explains much. :-)

According to this since at least 2002, but I think it's more like since 1997... ;)

1. They are clueless enough to run Microsoft-IIS on Win2K, according to netcraft. No, I don't suggest that you do anything in this regard.
2. Their stock, according to this plot, has been in free fall since the beginning of September and is now valued at, like, 11 cents.

Here is your rebutal to the same crap that you have been posting. Netcraft says FreeBSD has 2 million active sites. Sounds like a little more that 36000.

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">

The blue line is apache, the red line is IIS.

You have it wrong. Apache market share is growing and IIS is on the way down Latest Netcraft Servey

Don't be a fucking Troll. Microsoft run their own products on the backend of microsoft.com, and used the Linux-based Akamai caching service to cope with the high demand.

I'll leave you to ponder this for a while....

On the topic at hand: Linux is a monopoly"???

A bit of research (Although, they're running linux, so it may be a conspiracy) :

monopoly:
1. Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service: "Monopoly frequently... arises from government support or from collusive agreements among individuals" (Milton Friedman).
2. Law. A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a specified commercial activity to a single party.
3. a. A company or group having exclusive control over a commercial activity.
3. b. A commodity or service so controlled.
3. c. Exclusive possession or control: arrogantly claims to have a monopoly on the truth.
3. d. Something that is exclusively possessed or controlled: showed that scientific achievement is not a male monopoly.

1. Maybe if SCO get's their way...
2. Maybe if Microsoft have their way...
3. Err, see above...

While I don't use Linux at present (although I have experimented with it on both x86 and PPC hardware) I favour OS X. Of Windows, OS X, and Linux, the three OS's are different in so many ways due to creation and control factors of all aspects of the product. A very small amount of research will highlight these differences, and who does exert control of development and code. When I read something like this and imagine the time and effort (and maybe cash, who knows) put into and this comes out, it really makes me wonder does sanity prevail: does the majority rule, or are all the idiots just on the same side?

"The state's taxpayers deserve nothing less." -CAGW President Tom Schatz

Dear Mr. Schatz,
I agree 100%, but not in the way you may think :)

The site www.cagw.org is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.6.5 OpenSSL/0.9.6e ApacheJServ/1.1.2
mod_fastcgi/2.2.10 on FreeBSD.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.micro soft.com

Meanwhile, it appears that Dean wisely changed from windows 2000 to freebsd whereas Clark is using Linux. Which will win? :)

And of course the Evil One is running Windows. Surprise surprise!

Let's hope the best free software candidate wins!

Meanwhile, it appears that Dean wisely changed from windows 2000 to freebsd whereas Clark is using Linux. Which will win? :)

And of course the Evil One is running Windows. Surprise surprise!

Let's hope the best free software candidate wins!

Meanwhile, it appears that Dean wisely changed from windows 2000 to freebsd whereas Clark is using Linux. Which will win? :)

And of course the Evil One is running Windows. Surprise surprise!

Let's hope the best free software candidate wins!

DeanForAmerica is now running Apache on FreeBSD, but was originally running IIS on Win2k.

BlogForAmerica at least recently has been running Apache on Red Hat

But what annoys me most about the Dean websites is howarddean.tv, which not only is STILL running IIS on Win2K, but also requires you to be running a recent version of Windows Media Player and a recent version of IE on Windows to get the streaming content. They have a way of downloading QuickTime versions of some of the videos, but that's assuming you can even navigate the site with the 'wrong' kind of browser. When they have all the videos available in ogg vorbis on a site accessible via LYNX, then we'll know they 'get it'.

A SlashDot interview would be good, but it shouldn't be with Dean himself, it should be with his web guru.

DeanForAmerica is now running Apache on FreeBSD, but was originally running IIS on Win2k.

BlogForAmerica at least recently has been running Apache on Red Hat

But what annoys me most about the Dean websites is howarddean.tv, which not only is STILL running IIS on Win2K, but also requires you to be running a recent version of Windows Media Player and a recent version of IE on Windows to get the streaming content. They have a way of downloading QuickTime versions of some of the videos, but that's assuming you can even navigate the site with the 'wrong' kind of browser. When they have all the videos available in ogg vorbis on a site accessible via LYNX, then we'll know they 'get it'.

A SlashDot interview would be good, but it shouldn't be with Dean himself, it should be with his web guru.

DeanForAmerica is now running Apache on FreeBSD, but was originally running IIS on Win2k.

BlogForAmerica at least recently has been running Apache on Red Hat

But what annoys me most about the Dean websites is howarddean.tv, which not only is STILL running IIS on Win2K, but also requires you to be running a recent version of Windows Media Player and a recent version of IE on Windows to get the streaming content. They have a way of downloading QuickTime versions of some of the videos, but that's assuming you can even navigate the site with the 'wrong' kind of browser. When they have all the videos available in ogg vorbis on a site accessible via LYNX, then we'll know they 'get it'.

A SlashDot interview would be good, but it shouldn't be with Dean himself, it should be with his web guru.