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First...there's a grand total of 1 link to this site on the entire web...that in itself is actually a rarity...

And it's from a site owned by the same company for Digital's Tru64 UNIX...

And M$ has put themselves into this positon. They are the ones slamming the UNIX community...I see nothing on this site that says "M$ Sux".

The fact that a M$ ran site has BSD/Linux on it is not news. The fact that the site is aimed at destroying the very platform that they are using is the issue.

That having been said, it looks the main page hasn't been updated since February 05, 1999!!! I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say someone's probably domain squatting...

On another note, I think everyone should run IIS on Linux like Wal-Mart does.

(Yeah, I know, but it's mildly amusing).

That's because Windows doesn't support uptime in the server headers... Why don't you read out it here: Netcraft Uptime

here I noted that Unisys has many webservers running mostly WinNT, and run a variety of webserver sw on them mostly IIS but also Lotus Domino, and Netscape. And in at least one instance they run Apache on Red Hat Linux.

Also per this chart they also run Apache on two other 'unknown' Unix platforms.

here I noted that Unisys has many webservers running mostly WinNT, and run a variety of webserver sw on them mostly IIS but also Lotus Domino, and Netscape. And in at least one instance they run Apache on Red Hat Linux.

Also per this chart they also run Apache on two other 'unknown' Unix platforms.

For those too lazy to click the link, fear a hidden goatse or find netcraft slow at the moment:
The site homepages.msn.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 on Solaris.

And that is confirmed by netcraft (yes netcraft seems slashdotted). The changeover happened just today, the BSD site was known up since March 28. I guess when you want something quickly, FreeBSD with RapidSite/Apache is the way to go. Then later on, when your employer starts pushing, you can always migrate towards the much harder to setup IIS server. hihi. I'm wondering if it has Minda yet.

The FreeBSD server that was originally hosting the site is still up. If you look at the Netcraft page here you can see the IP address of the new Win2K server is 130.94.214.143 where as the IP of the FreeBSD one is 198.63.57.204. Both are working at the moment though I doubt this will be the case for many more hours.

Someone also suggested earlier that the domain was being transfered from a hosting service to MS but you can see that the IPs are both in Verio's netblock so thats not the case. My guess would be that MS/Unisys saw/were told what was being used to host the site and said they wanted it moved to a Win2K box. We've just experienced the delay as the DNS updates.

How long until they get hacked then? A high profile campaign like this is bound to bring out all the kiddies and some of the not-so-kiddies. Maybe we should have a sweekstake? :-)

Cheers...

This says it's IIS5 on Win2k (which is determined from the IP fingerprinting that netcraft do).

When I first went to the link, it was saying FreeBSD. Do we care? Nope. It was given to some marketting company who signed up and got some hosting space for the campaign. Oh well. It means nothing.

They do have a section about active sites (explanation). You have to scroll halfway down the main page to see the graph. Apache's share grows to 64.37% while Microsoft's share drops to 26.81%.

They do have a section about active sites (explanation). You have to scroll halfway down the main page to see the graph. Apache's share grows to 64.37% while Microsoft's share drops to 26.81%.

They do have a section about active sites (explanation). You have to scroll halfway down the main page to see the graph. Apache's share grows to 64.37% while Microsoft's share drops to 26.81%.

I know that this is a well known fact among most /. readers, but no one else commented on the lack of M$ II$ servers on the 'Sites with longest running systems by average uptime' page. I think that should have been the lead 'comment' appearing on the front of /. instead of just announcing the survey results. something like 'M$ cant keep it UP!'

Read the Netcraft survey as well---the summary at /. ist not correct, Register.com and Network Solution switched to IIS.

Microsoft gains almost 2 million sites this month, primarily as a result of register.com and Network Solutions migrating their domain parking facilities to a Windows front end.

What I really meant was this: pmgdirect.com (the marketing group that is running the campaign) had hosted the wehavethewayout.com site on THEIR OWN HARDWARE and the marketing company's OS of choice wasn't a Microsoft product. Of course, the web site has since then been moved to a box running Microsoft OS (the damage control part) and Netcraft hasn't yet caught up with the change. Netcraft does cache the results, see their FAQ.

Moral of the story: if you're promoting an operating system with the help of a marketing agency, make sure the marketing agency runs the web site in question on the "correct" operating system.

I guess I found the reason for the strange server version information. Have a look at the HTML source for www.wehavethewayout.com and you'll notice that the form contents will be emailed to info@pmgdirect.com. Now, if you look at what www.pmgdirect.com is running you'll notice some similarities to www.wehavethewayout.com's information (note the OS differences, though).

[anssi@karhu anssi]$ lynx -head -dump http://www.pmgdirect.com/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:11:54 GMT
Server: Rapidsite/Apa/1.3.20 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6
Last-Modified: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:46:57 GMT
ETag: "f003735-144b-3beae131"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 5195
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

I guess I found the reason for the strange server version information. Have a look at the HTML source for www.wehavethewayout.com and you'll notice that the form contents will be emailed to info@pmgdirect.com. Now, if you look at what www.pmgdirect.com is running you'll notice some similarities to www.wehavethewayout.com's information (note the OS differences, though).

[anssi@karhu anssi]$ lynx -head -dump http://www.pmgdirect.com/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:11:54 GMT
Server: Rapidsite/Apa/1.3.20 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6
Last-Modified: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:46:57 GMT
ETag: "f003735-144b-3beae131"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 5195
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

Cnet article on it

You know MS/UniSys's new anti-UNIX site www.wehavethewayout.com? Well take a look at what NetCraft reports</a>
- and compare to the results of a<br>
lynx -head http://www.wehavethewayout.com<br>
command. Interesting. Has MS fiddled the server, and NetCraft is pulling some tricks to get the truth, or is NetCraft pulling a "funny" one?

Either it's true, or even Netcraft has fallen to the mighty April 1.

Documentation

news.com article

http://www.wehavethewayout.com/

Netcraft results for site
The site www.wehavethewayout.com is running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on FreeBSD.

The press has picked up on this. CNET is running the story today, so I imagine MS/Unisys will have to issue a press release in response by COB today since they "weren't immediately available for comment" at the time the story was posted. Unless they are hoping that the CNET story gets written off as an April Fools joke.

FYI, per Netcraft Unisys does run most of the webservers I checked on an NT/2k platform, but doesn't seem particularly loyal to MS when it comes to Web Server software, using IIS occasionally but also Netscape and Lotus webserver SW. Also, at least one of the Unisys sites I checked (weather.unisys.com) runs Apache on Red Hat Linux.

Teoma is going to have one heck of a time ramping up to the kind of processing that Google is doing, if for no other reason than the kind of money they're going to need to put Redmond's way. Have a look. It's no wonder they couldn't put together the financial resources.

Now, let's just pretend that the technology that Teoma is using is roughly equivalent to Google's. Google is up to what now, 7000 servers? That's 7000 copies of Win2k, each including a full Internet hosting license, which is a fair bit more than your usual in house licensing.

Did they write their own DB, or are they fully into the MS world with SQL Server? We're talking about some serious bucks here that cannot be devoted to expanding hardware.

On the other hand, Google can devote 100% of their cash investments to hardware and research. Adding a brand new > 1G box with a couple of monster drives costs maybe $600-$700.

Teoma is sluggish, but that can be fixed with money

Netcraft Survay

Why the hell would they switch from FreeBSD to Windows 2000?

it runs windows

It's interesting to note the web server running this advertising campaign runs FreeBSD... www.wehavethewayout.com

And they use FreeBSD for their campaign's site as well...

Are they serious! This is hilarious. They start a campaign that talks about how bad linux is but they rely on linux to get the message out. Check out what the site related to this campaign is running: We Have the Way Out Server. Boy these guys just don't think.

The site www.wehavethewayout.com is running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on FreeBSD.

Check out the netcraft results here.

Netcraft says:
The site www.wehavethewayout.com is running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on FreeBSD.

Netcraft says:
The site www.wehavethewayout.com is running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on FreeBSD.

Fastmail is a service that includes IMAP and Webmail in their free service. They also are about to drop POP3 from the free service. But, there's an option for a 1 time $10 fee for full access to SMTP.

The best thing about it is, they're using Linux. :)

Have a look at the latest Netcraft survey, and look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer.

That's Mandrake's optimized version of Apache, in use by more than 75,000 web servers, more than Domino or Stronghold (Redhat's secure server).

So it might be the best one for beginners, but it's used on a lot of servers too.

Yeah but if you checkout finance.yahoo.com using netcraft and you'll find Yahoo running FreeBSD!

Also, Yahoo at $11 billion is worth more than Adobe.

2) The attitude of the FreeBSD elite towards the hoi paloi is well known and noted. FreeBSD zealots have accused both me and David Miller of needing Qualudes in our meals when we point out (with code patches) idiocies in FreeBSD that need fixing (especially irritating when we just finished fixing the same idiocy in Linux... idiocy is idiocy, no matter what OS it is in or who wrote the code, and the migration goes from Linux->FreeBSD as often as it goes from FreeBSD->Linux, there's no reason for FreeBSD zealots to jump down our throats just because we're Linux geeks who found a bug in their precious OS).

3) The so-called stability advantages of FreeBSD are a myth. From FreeBSD 3.3 up to FreeBSD 4.0, both my system at home and my system at work would spontaneously reboot at random intervals under FreeBSD (I mention two different systems because that rules out hardware problems -- hell, they didn't even have the same chipset, one was AMD and one was Intel, the only thing they had in common was that both had an IDE hard drive). In fact, FreeBSD 3.4 led me to switch back to Linux -- I got tired of my system spontaneously rebooting and destroying all my unsaved work.

-Peter

I'll go with clueless...

Because NetCraft says their site is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 and it even detects a switch FROM Linux sometime in mid-late 2001.

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• Sun
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No, I did not know that. I thoght they still ran on BSD, that all efforts to port had failed and that they put a few win2k machines up front. Eh, what do I know?

Hotmil Hacked Go team!

Hotmail still using non-microshit software last summer Oh yeah, at leas one of the posters there notes that NT code has lots of BSD in it too. Fanboys like you know that, don't you?
the start of their effor, summer of 2000 Don't look like it happened does it?

Oh well, it's silly to talk to trolls. I like the graph of Hotmail's uptime. It looks like they figured out how to load balance hide their individual machine's poor performance last summer. Since their switch from BSD and solaris (which billgates still uses for his own site) their best uptime was 66 days or so, ptttthfit. You might have a look at Netcraft's good uptime page to see where your mighty 115 day spree really sits. Hint, multiply times ten to get real uptimes that free code provides!

Actually Apache runs way more than 60 percent of web sites.

Using what statistics? According to Netcraft they run 58.43% of sites. When it comes to physical machines - Windows is by far the most dominant OS. That doesn't say that there couldn't be a huge percentage of Windows boxes running Apache, though.

Why don't you back up your statements with a link.

Actually Apache runs way more than 60 percent of web sites.

Using what statistics? According to Netcraft they run 58.43% of sites. When it comes to physical machines - Windows is by far the most dominant OS. That doesn't say that there couldn't be a huge percentage of Windows boxes running Apache, though.

Why don't you back up your statements with a link.

But of course, you knew that before you posted that, didnt you?

can't find the link but netcraft tells the truth

Just one little thing, that url, "http://applesw.download.akamai.com/ep2/clone_war/ index.html", is not Apple's server. It's an Akamai mirror, running Linux.

...Not that heavy load was the problem in the first place. They're denying external referrals.. on purpose of all things.