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Yahoo To Try To Charge For POP3 Services
NetSerf2000 writes: "I just saw an article on the Register that Yahoo is giving users of it's email service until the 24th of April to make a decision about forking out $19.99 for the first year. Yahoo states that this is so it can 'improve' service quality and 'reduce" spam.' The report says that it's the mailing forwarding and POP3 services, so I'm not sure that it affects the Webmail service; if it reduces the spam coming out of Yahoo!, that'd be one less domain I have to filter into "Spam," which would be nice.
Haha, I'd sooner pay for a slashdot subscription.
If you're using the forwarding or POP3, then you're not viewing the web-page adverts that are Yahoo's bread & butter.
So you'd be paying not to see adverts. What a zany idea.
rOD.
Rod Begbie done this, and he's not
Yahoo! Mail Hello, Important service announcement regarding your POP3 or Mail Forwarding service. Please read on. Effective April 24, 2002, Yahoo! Mail will no longer provide free POP3 Access or Auto Mail Forwarding to Yahoo! Delivers subscribers. If you would like to continue using Mail Forwarding or POP3 Access, please subscribe to our improved package that allows you to: * Use Outlook, Eudora, or another POP3 client to access and manage your Yahoo! Mail. * Automatically forward your Yahoo! Mail to another email account -- even another Yahoo! address![new2.gif] * Send larger attachments, now up to 5MB instead of the free 1.5MB limit.[new2.gif] * Send email without the Yahoo! promotional text at the bottom.* [new2.gif] Sign up today and SAVE 33% Subscribe before April 24th and get the first year of service for just $19.99. That's 33% off the regular service fee of $29.99. Remember, if you do not subscribe by April 24, 2002, you will no longer be able to access your Yahoo! Mail messages by POP or at another email address. Sincerely, The Yahoo! Mail Team
Yeah right! Last I checked 95% of the spam I received came from yahoo.com
Welley Corporation - SLM Scammers
...several thousand left to go...
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -- Voltaire
Things like this really annoy me. If I remember correctly, the Internet was originally created (in the public manner) for the free exchange of information. . .now, just about everything you want to use, like portions of news websites, etc, are no longer free, or you have to put up with several ad banners and ad pop-ups. When is the insanity going to end?
I am an all-day user of pop forwarding for my Yahoo account. To be quite honest - I get 0 spam to it as well. I only use it for personal communications and never for buying goods at stores - I let hotmail get all my spam. Anyway, with the belts getting tightened the world over I really don't mind ponying up $19 for a year's worth of spam-free email. I don't think that's alot to ask. I'll be signing up today.
Have a Happy.
Yahoo's change is being done for purely business reasons (i.e. to increase ad viewing). It is so they can afford to keep their bandwith, not for anti-spamming/etc. Pretty simple.
They could have done something like the qmail POP before accepting SMTP (to make users authenticate before being able to relay mail for them).
UPS Sucks
I use yahoo, and have been quite happy with it. I do get ads for crap from them. Fine, free service, gotta make money somehow, ad its only a couple of ads a week. But if im going to pay them id best not be seeing any ads form them. And for that matter, tht pop was convieninet, but the hell with it, its not worth 20 bucks a year for me. I can use webmail just as easily.
All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
Frankly, I really won't. I used to use Yahoo's POP3 service on a regular basis for an email account used only for registering with Web sites. Then somehow the account got on a spam list -- and the name isn't anything that would be easily guessed, though it does mean something to me. It's unusable because of the huge amounts of spam that flow into it.
... doesn't get spam. And because it's from a friend, it's free and if anything does go wrong, I can personally send complaints to the server administrator.
I stopped using the POP3 service months ago and got a new mailbox from a friend who runs his own Web and IRC system. The domain name of the new account means much more to me than Yahoo's, isn't labeled "freemail" for all those sites that won't take those, and best of all
Plus, he's a really nice guy. Yahoo's just a faceless megacorp.
i am a soviet space shuttle
I'd use Yahoo to read POP3 mail (Check other Mail) from work when I couldn't log into my home box. Then I'd fetchmail everything so it ends up in one place.
Thankfully, I don't have too much invested in using Yahoo mail -- I'm basically using it as a POP3 mailreading web app (I set the reply-to correctly and told people never to address it to me@yahoo.com).
Anyone know of an alternative? Hushmail w/ POP over SSH?
Yahoo! is only planning on charging for their Yahoo! Delivers service. This is the service that permits you to access their POP3 and SMTP servers, or forward your yahoo.com mail to another address. Previously, the expense was that you had to sign up for opt-in spam through Yahoo!, but apparently, that wasn't working for them.
Yahoo!'s web mail will still be free, and if you really need the POP3/SMTP/forwarding service, $20 a year really isn't that bad.
Without giving out my Hotmail address to anyone, I received spam. Now I've given up on trying to block spam going into the account and just let it happen. I use that address to sign up to services on the web with, as I no longer care about it. My Yahoo account has a lot of spam too, although I got it intending to use it as my "signing up to new online services" address, so I can understand it having spam. I've heard rumours (and going by the privacy agreements it's prefectly possible) that web-based mail companies sell your e-mail address to mailing list companies. Owning a web-based email address is effectively opting in for spam. How can companies do that, and still announce publicly that they are working hard to try and reduce spam?
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Has anyone noticed the click-through ads they started using last year on the yahoogroups forums? I hate those things. Instead of using banner ads like everyone else, their ads are either in the body of the text you're trying to read, or worse the text doesn't appear until you click on the ad. Talk about trying to piss of the users!
Look what I received in my hotmail box this morning.
Running out of space for your Hotmail® messages?
We know that e-mail storage space is a little like closet space - you never seem to have enough. That's why we're offering you the opportunity to purchase an additional 8MB of storage space for your Hotmail web-based e-mail service account. [...]It's only $29.95 Canadian a year, so upgrade to 10MB now!
when you and everyone else out there is willing to work for free. someone HAS to pay for the equipment and the salaries of the people working on it.
All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
Umm.. its a bit much for what is considered FREE email. I can go buy a domain for $8 and host it on SEVAA for a year for that price (+/- $5), but then its MY mail and no Ads anyways, and have LOTS of options on top of that.. web space, ftp, etc..
Sorry Yahoo, ya lost me on this one.
thelikesofwhich.com
Jeez! Try following the advice on the post comment page -- since when was uk2 a valid top level domain!!
What an absolute pain in the booty. First Yahoo killed my Geocities account (which I could get through POP3 from the dawn of time), and now they take away my free POP3 access. Sure, cool, kill spammers and all, but they are the ones who are willing to pay the $20. Not me. No sirree. Looks like it's time to set up that Exchange server and register an MX record at dyndns.org... F**kers.
I'll take ads and propaganda as long as they aren't trying to trick me. I'd rather have text ads at the bottom of my emails than those damn x10 popup's, etc. Now the funny thing is...two things I use the most (and enjoy) online are yahoo mail and slashdot. But as soon as I saw the Yahoo mail change I thought well heck I can go for that no big deal and its worth it for the services I'll be receiving overall. But I don't plan to subscribe to the slashdot system. So I think an important lesson is to be learned here. I'll chalk up the $$ for the things that actually provide me a service. If slashdot ONLY allowed access to most thing by pay service then as long as it was reasonable I'd probably go in for it. But if I can take some annoyance or ads and still get my stuff for free then that's me.
"I'd always had longer hair than other boys. I was a long-haired musician before hippies came along." Willie Nelson
I hate forking out cash for this. I'd rather have ads embedded into HTML mail, than whip out my already-maxxed CC for yet another web-service that offers no SLA, and bombards me with daily "Fetish News", belonging to a Yahoo Group that doesn't really exist. I use Yahoo as a spamcatcher, much like I did with Hotmail before it became web-only (the Outlook interface sucks).
20$ (thus 30$ canadian for me) for a spamcatcher ? I'll spend 30$ of my time finding another free pop3 drop instead.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Like the subject says. Mail.com is discontinuing free forwarding.
I can understand their reasons, but this one in particular galls me. I signed up with iname.net for "free forwarding for life." mail.com bought them out, and maintained the services (although not as well) until now. Suddenly they've decided not to honour contracts that they've bought out.
I don't mind the money, but those bastards aren't getting any from me for that sort of behaviour.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
I've got half a dozen Yahoo ID's I check via POP. To try to check them all via the WWW interface would take too long. I like to keep the IDs separate so I can keep track of what the email is about.
I see three options:
1. Find another free POP/forwarding provider (any hints?)
2. Find a way to do this with my ISP account without giving away my ISP username (any hints that don't involve changing ISPs?)
3. Pony up the dough to Yahoo.
/. will start charging to filter out spam as well... oh wait a second... -- no before i get flammed for this; if it helps with the spam, go for it, but I think they should re-think their pricing scheme before they implement it or am i just being cheap by thinking $19.99 is too much for mail?
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
Hotmail rolled out a similar service at the same price point about a month ago- actually it's more storage space that they are giving you. Hotmail has had a proprietary "pop3" via Outlook Express for a long time now.
Hello,
Important service announcement regarding your POP3 or Mail Forwarding service. Please read on.
Effective April 24, 2002, Yahoo! Mail will no longer provide free POP3 Access or Auto Mail Forwarding to Yahoo! Delivers subscribers.
If you would like to continue using Mail Forwarding or POP3 Access, please subscribe to our improved package that allows you to:
Use Outlook, Eudora, or another POP3 client to access and manage your Yahoo! Mail.
Automatically forward your Yahoo! Mail to another email account -- even another Yahoo! address!
Send larger attachments, now up to 5MB instead of the free 1.5MB limit.
Send email without the Yahoo! promotional text at the bottom.*
Sign up today and SAVE 33%
Subscribe before April 24th and get the first year of service for just $19.99. That's 33% off the regular service fee of $29.99.
Remember, if you do not subscribe by April 24, 2002, you will no longer be able to access your Yahoo! Mail messages by POP or at another email address.
Sincerely,
The Yahoo! Mail Team
What's interesting to me about this is that I have my old yahoo account forwarded. I now have my own domain so I rarely use my yahoo account anymore except for testing.
I've noticed that if I leave the yahoo account non-forwarded and only accessable through the web, that the account accumulates somewhere around 10-15 spams per day. Some of which get autmoatically put into bulk mail, some of which don't. But if I forward the account to my domain, I don't really get any spam at all. Perhaps 1-2 per week.
I've tested this over several weeks now, and it's a strange thing. Yahoo! are the *only* people who know whether or not I'm forwarding. Are they sending more spam to webmail accounts in order to encourage people to move to forwarding accounts? Why would it behave like this?
Key to financial independence: Spend less than you earn. Save and invest the difference. Do it for a long time.
I use my Yahoo mail account to collect spam and now they want charge people to curb spam? I somehow feel responsible and sincerely appologize to all those people that use Yahoo mail for something other than the garbage collector it is!
I received the following mail:
o me-id
To: MYMAILADDRESS
Subject: Important Yahoo! Mail Service Announcement
From: Yahoo! Mail
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:00:26 PST
Hello,
Important service announcement regarding your POP3 or Mail Forwarding service. Please read on.
Effective April 24, 2002, Yahoo! Mail will no longer provide free POP3 Access or Auto Mail Forwarding to Yahoo! Delivers subscribers.
If you would like to continue using Mail Forwarding or POP3 Access, please subscribe to our improved package that allows you to:
- Use Outlook, Eudora, or another POP3 client to access and manage your Yahoo! Mail.
- Automatically forward your Yahoo! Mail to another email account -- even another Yahoo! address!
- Send larger attachments, now up to 5MB instead of the free 1.5MB limit.
- Send email without the Yahoo! promotional text at the bottom.*
Subscribe before April 24th and get the first year of service for just $19.99. That's 33% off the regular service fee of $29.99. Visit the following link to subscribe:
http://ordering.yahoo.com/or/ypm/...s
Remember, if you do not subscribe by April 24, 2002, you will no longer be able to access your Yahoo! Mail messages by POP or at another email address.
Sincerely,
The Yahoo! Mail Team
For further information, please read our frequently asked questions. Please note that your Yahoo! Delivers settings will not be affected.
*Applies only to email sent through the Yahoo! SMTP servers.
yahoo! has a bulk mail folder which actually works very well for me. it puts spam in that folder and deletes it on a regular basis. unfortunately, when i use pop3 access, it treats all the mail in the bulk mail folder as regular mail, and dumps it to my inbox. this is kinda annoying. so i think i'll just stick with the web access.
I had deleted it as spam. What does THAT tell you about Yahoo?
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 11:31, Yahoo! Mail wrote:u s:ym:pop&.osig=zQwKT
> Hello,
>
> Important service announcement regarding your POP3 or Mail Forwarding service. Please read on.
>
> Effective April 24, 2002, Yahoo! Mail will no longer provide free POP3 Access or Auto Mail Forwarding to Yahoo! Delivers subscribers.
>
> If you would like to continue using Mail Forwarding or POP3 Access, please subscribe to our improved package that allows you to:
>
> - Use Outlook, Eudora, or another POP3 client to access and manage your Yahoo! Mail.
> - Automatically forward your Yahoo! Mail to another email account -- even another Yahoo! address!
> - Send larger attachments, now up to 5MB instead of the free 1.5MB limit.
> - Send email without the Yahoo! promotional text at the bottom.*
>
> Subscribe before April 24th and get the first year of service for just $19.99. That's 33% off the regular service fee of $29.99. Visit the following link to subscribe:
> http://ordering.yahoo.com/or/ypm/splash?855&Pkgs=
>
> Remember, if you do not subscribe by April 24, 2002, you will no longer be able to access your Yahoo! Mail messages by POP or at another email address.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Yahoo! Mail Team
>
> For further information, please read our frequently asked questions. Please note that your Yahoo! Delivers settings will not be affected.
>
> *Applies only to email sent through the Yahoo! SMTP servers.
Yahoo wants more revenue from this service. They run a quality email service. The $19.95 gets you a bigger mailbox, allows larger attachemnts, and really isn't expensive, compared to other communication services (e.g. telephone service, which I don't even use as much as email, yet pay a hell of a lot more for). I'm happy to pay them so little for what I gain from it.
Yahoo states that this is so it can 'improve' service quality
Hahaha, wotta joke. Everyone knows that charging money couldn't possibly 'improve' service quality! This is the Internet, running mail servers is free!
Oh, wait, that was last year.
-- Sigs are for losers
On one of them tape appeared all across the screen(ok, an image of police tape, not the real deal, although dirty marketeers are probably working on it) I just feel that invasive adverts such as these damage someones experiance and create a negative impression. (Even more than pop-unders, pop-overs, pop-afters and other such wondering hell poop)
I'm spent.
*mac.com*
yes, you would have to use a mac to first set it up, but other than that, it's great.
It's IMAP (no web-based) and no auto-added advert sig.
This is a free service (by Novell) that has free mail with web access, POP and IMAP. They do a phenominal job in filtering out spam for you. I think I've seen two spam's slip through since I started using this service several years ago.
I've had a yahoo.com e-mail address for about three years now, and until recently it was my main e-mail address. At home I _always_ used a POP client to read my e-mail, and only used the Web gateway if I were on someone else's computer.
The account's become almost useless lately, because I've been getting so much spam (Yahoo's filters only hold back a fraction of it), so I'm almost glad that Yahoo is giving me an excuse to close the account altogether. Softhome.net is much better.
hyacinthus.
If you're sick of hotmail and/or yahoo, just set up an iTools account, and use the mac.com smtp and pop3 servers. Free, and very reliable.
if it reduces the spam coming out of Yahoo!, that'd be one less domain I have to filter into "Spam," which would be nice.
Most of the domains you see in your spam mail.. e.g. yahoo.com, msn.com.. don't actually come from those hosts. It is extremely easy to forge the sending address.. you can pretend to be billgates@microsoft.com if you want. You can always examine the headers to try to get an idea where the message came from, but the point is you can't trust the sender's address to be from the host they say it's from.
slashdot!=valid HTML
POP3 forwarding is a great perk to Yahoo mail. But it isn't necessary and for $19.99, well, I hate to see it go but there's no way I'm going to pay for it. Look at it this way, for $19.99 I can buy the services of an ISP complete with dial-up access, POP3, newgroups, etc ... the point is that for $19.99 I can get a whole lot more than just a few perks that I may or may not use. I'm sorry Yahoo, but I put up with the ads at work anyway because I don't use POP3 there and I can certainly put up with them at home.
Novell runs www.myrealbox.com as a demonstration of their e-mail products.
It's free and you get
Pop3, IMAP, SMTP
10 Megs of space
webmail
all free, no ads
I've been using the service for years and I don't ever remember it being down.
So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
What this will do is reduce using yahoo as SPAM drop boxes. If you can get a free forward to another free forward, it makes it harder to track the real destination of the spam responses.
Fight Spammers!
Users of E-Mail forwarding and POP always had to sign up for Yahoo's own advertising e-mails, so it never was "free". The free webmail will continue to be free...
I have, and will continue to run my own IMAP mail server off my cable modem. It works well, it's blazing fast at home, I have complete archives (over 300MB of mail), no quota, and the mail comes directly to me.
It's hard to suggest anything that we know would work.
A lot of ISP's offer 5 additional email addresses (Worldnet does I believe), you can set those up. If not for free they might offer to set up even more for a fee.
"For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
Charging for email is inevitable. These services require huge hardware infrastructures that have, to this point, been funded by the stock market. Going forward, you can expect the major services to charge...as soon as the little guys are out of the market (which is happening rapidly).
Cripes! What are you thinking. People have to get paid and if advertising isn't working then you must charge subscription fees. Do you work for free? I don't think so.
I for one think that $20 isn't too much to pay to keep my yahoo email, especially if they remove ads.
Ricky Silk
kung foo ezine let me waste your time.
All I get on yahoo is spam anyway.
I signed up for a spamcop email account a couple of weeks ago. I had been using Yahoo! but the amount of spam I had been getting increased dramatically over the past few months and their interface makes it hard to report spam.
Spamcop is $30 a year, and I've been happy with it. Out of about 80 spams it let 3 or 4 slip into my inbox, and hasn't incorrectly detained any of them. The interface is pretty nice, but not perfectly smooth. I would recommend it to anyone who understands how email works.
Now, to maintain that beyond next month (when the "free" parts of both services end), it would cost me $29.99/yr @ Yahoo plus $19.99/yr per EACH forwarding address at Mail.com. That's almost $90/yr.
Instead, for $15/yr, I got three forwarding addresses from pobox.com, and have them forwarded to the inbox at my ISP (which I was paying for as part of their service anyway). I have never (and don't intend) to ever reveal my actual ISP inbox address to any site or person, so I can maintain the same level of abstraction I had before, but for $75/yr less than Mail.com and Yahoo.com would like me to pay.
I pay those bottom-feeders for my web hosting. "Here have five e-mail accounts at your domain". Thanks, that's all I need. Now even though I fork them money every month I'm not even getting a SMALL consideration on the pop3 issue and I'm thrown into the same boat as the people who aren't hosting a domain.
Upgrade to Geocities Advantage? I think not. A ten minute web search is enough to prove that their prices are FAR from competitive.
I know that when I transfer my domain later this afternoon they won't feel the pinch. I'm not a big fish. But I sure as hell hope that I'm not the only fish who feels fried here, and maybe Yahoo WILL feel the pinch when their well of customers has run dry.
On my page, the subject lines show up at the bottom of the page and since it's all spam most of the time, I won't bother to check my yahoo mail till there's something interesting on that page.
Alternately, I'm going to use myrealbox.com or lycos.co.uk since they have more space, have POP3, and are still all free.
I've been using my Yahoo email address for 3-4 years. Their spam filtering is already pretty good. They add a "X-YahooFilteredBulk" header to a large proportion of the crap. I've been auto-forwarding my Yahoo account for a while. The first thing my mail server does is bounce any message with the "X-YahooFilteredBulk" header field. When I enabled that filter I went from 20 spams a day to about 5 a week.
.co.kr and get that even lower, although I have a couple of friends going to Korea next year to teach English. I can live with the levels of spam that's currently getting through my filters though. The numbers are small enough that I don't accidentally delete important messages.
I could probably filter against
I only ever use their web interface when I'm away from home. So, I've had free email service with no advers from them for quite a while. I've been telling everybody how good it is that I have an address that never changes (I've lived in 3 countries in the last 6 years, and gone though about a dozen ISP, job and university email accounts in that time). US$20 for a year's service seems pretty reasonable to me for the amount I use the service, and the value for money I get and have had.
Do I feel that they've let me get used to their service and get settled on it, and now they're taking advantage of my position? A little, but I'm not really offended. I could start telling everybody to email me at my domain address, but then my spam would probably start building up again. Of course, having my own domain might even keep my spam problem down through the use of a different alias for every place.
i've been using the pop3 service for over a year, and every week i get the "yahoo delivers" spam. so i dutifully read it, and week after week, it's html email, which i've told them i can't read (well, i choose not to).
so if their spam wasn't paying the bills, it's atleast partially their own fault.
My blog
I use Yahoo's POP3 service for one very important thing: Getting the mail form their server, onto my box. I do this perhaps once a month, to clear up space on their server, and to have easier access to my mail.
Now they want to charge for it? They'll probably want to charge me when the mail I've built up exceeds their size limits, too. With no way to take it off.
Oh, well. I guess I'll just have to stop using Yahoo and viewing their ads. What, x10 wasn't paying them enough per non-view?
The e-mail came into my inbox this morning, I moved off of yahoo 30 minutes later. I get more e-mail addresses than I can use with my cable modem service, and my real address is just a forward service to being with.
It's a shame. I really liked their serivce and their integration with Yahoo Messenger. Oh well. Comcast will give me a webmail interface too.
Fastmail is a service that includes IMAP and Webmail in their free service. They also are about to drop POP3 from the free service. But, there's an option for a 1 time $10 fee for full access to SMTP.
:)
The best thing about it is, they're using Linux.
let's see I use my yahoo mail about 3 time's a year and every time I check it I get 200 or so spam's. it does't get any better then this!!
Great way to get rid of users like us whom depend on their fantastic POP cum web mail service ...
;) ... even though we detest M$
... why don't /. start a POP3 service for us then ? hehe
...
Previously yahoo was able to stop spam from coming into my mailbox, but since dog gone years i'm mail box is filled with hourly spam -_-;... and they want to charge $20 for this type of access ???
I guess users like me whom depend on yahoo for getting my mailing-lists need to find someone new to "host" my daily spew from ipsec and redhat mailing lists
Its really such a waste that there would be so many users whom would be migrating over to hotmail cum outlook
Maybe not
And you got to admit those email gatherers could also stoop so low as to get your email from mailing list archives
Is it no longer safe to be online ? lol
How does the cost/benefit work here? I would think that it'd be cheaper for them to handle a POP3 connection from me once every day or so than for them to store 10 megs of my crap and process 5-10 web accesses a day, but hey, I could wrong. But what if everyone does that?
In the end, this is like GeoCities charging for FTP uploading, now to upload for free, you have to put up with their crappy File Manager uploader mutation. Why is it that they're charging for services that should be cheaper for them to provide? Convenience.
-sk
A while ago I wrote a Perl program to spider through my yahoo mail account and download my email. I had some reason to do it instead of just going to pop3, but mostly because I wanted to play around with it. The code is pretty damn ugly, but mostly because it is the first spider I ever wrote, and I was too lazy to look up nice examples. The programs can be found here. Before Yahoo started charging for pop3, the ethics of this were pretty straight forward. Now I will leave this as an exercise for the reader. (I think it is ok because I am still using their web interface for email, and I am just using this because I am an information pack rat. Your millage may vary.) W
Copy of the sign up form:
...)
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Place an "y" in each box to agree:
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By typing "I agree" in the box below you agree to the Term of service as well as the statements above:
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Your username may use letters (a-z), numbers (0-9), the underscore (_), but no spaces.
Requested Username: @myrealbox.com
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Enter the E-mail address provided to you by your organization or service provider. You will receive a message containing the password for your new account at the E-Mail address provided below:
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EMail address:
Re-enter EMail address:
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Select Default Web Interface
Although you can use any POP/IMAP compatible email client with MyRealBox, many users prefer to use a web browser interface. MyRealBox provides two web "skins" or interfaces. You may select either as the default; however, you can change your selection at any time in the Preferences (WebMail) or Options (WebAccess) screen. If you do not indicate a preference now, WebMail will be selected as your default web interface.
WebMail if you are are interested primarily in using MyRealBox for day-to-day email and do not need the calendaring/scheduling features, select this interface
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I love the We will charge $10.00 US for every abuse.
An Ad every second in your face..they have no support. You are better off hosting your own email, safer and cheaper. Will be nice to see Yahoo go under though.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
I'm surprised no one has said anything to the tune of
While I would like to do so, I admittedly haven't looked into it yet, and instead of trolling the 'net to find a good package... Let me be lazy and ask the wonderful resource of people here...
Does anyone have any recommendations on packages that I can install on my Linux box that will give me a nice webmail interface?
Thanks in advance.
I guess that Hemos can't read e-mail headers. Otherwise he would understand that yahoo.com is often forged as the From: in spam mail. It is very rare that I actually see spam that actually came from yahoo.com. Get a clue, Hemos.
The only requirement is that one use a Mac (or Mac-claiming browser) to set up the account; it's at Mac.com. That said aside from certain administrative functions it works perfectly well from the Wintel & *nix sides too. Mail, web serving, WebDAV all are platform independent, indeed MS Windows 2K & XP include WebDAV clients that work perfectly with Apple's iDisk service.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
The old agreement for getting yahoo through POP3 involved marking a checkbox where you would agree to be put on more advertiser's lists so that Yahoo could get more revenue from spammers. What I think will really happen now is that you'll pay for them to "remove the spam"... yeah right! and it'll be the same as before with you $20 poorer...haha...
I can't say too much though. I use USA.Net and they charged $30/year last year. Now they wanna charge for $45/year or $65/2yrs (members price) for e-mail. Thing is I want to have one non-isp dependent e-mail address so that people can always get ahold of me on e-mail. I also don't wanna host my own e-mail server (reliability), and I don't want to succumb to the borg. I gotta get my own domain!
JOhn
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Yahoo! are you listening: Here is what I want from a for-pay email provider
As myself and other people start using more and more wireless networks (specifically public wireless networks), I have realized that there is no email provider that offers the proper services:
- IMAP via TLS & SSL
- SMTP via TLS & SSL with Auth - Allowing you to send mail from any return address after you have already authenticated
- POP via SSL
- WebMail via Full SSL (not just the login)
- Allow you to forward your other email accounts to it
- Allow you to send from a return email address of your other account (i.e. yourname@yourcompanyemail.com).
- Fetchmail functions for automatic downloading of your other email accounts.
- A reasonable amount of disk storage
- The option to download your email for offline archiving
If other email providers are listening or someone wants a quick business idea, start providing secure email services, and no Hushmail doesn't count because the don't offer POP, IMAP or SMTP. And no I don't want to host this email on my home server like I already do. It needs to something that the mass populous can be referred to.Sidenote to the Yahoo, AOL, Earthlink and other top email providers. Please start requiring secure login protocols (no cleartext passwords). The average user is never going to click on that extra link for an SSL login page.
I've been using it and find it to be quite nice...
My god, all you people bitching about $20 a year. If you are on this site of "News for Nerds", then you should fit one of these categories:
1) *nix Geek.
2) Nerdy college person (student/grad student/prof/admin)
3) Admin at a business
4) Connected indivual (you have "friends")
5) Other Miscellaneous "I understand computers, then internet, and have a clue"
You are probably employed somehow. If you can afford $10 a month for the simplest dial-up ISP account, you can afford $20 a YEAR. If you can afford a six pack of coke/beer every few days, you can afford $20 a YEAR.
Better yet, buy a domain ($15/year) from a registrar that offers free email forwarding. Forward the domain's mail to your ISP account.
If you're on DSL/Cable, set up your own mail server.
Don't f***ing depend on Yahoo! for your free POP3 account then bitch when they ask you to pay so they can pay the bandwidth and the mail admins and the sys admins.
My god, all you invalids. I'm so sick of you. Where do I permantly disable user comments and stupid punk ass whiny "Why do things cost money" stories!
I have a .ca (not really overseas...) and I haven't got an email about this at all!
What about all the other international accounts?
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Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch.
..that if they are going this route they had better stop sending me spam. I allowed them to send me spam ONLY because it was a pre-requisite for POPing my account.
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
It was a sad day when Yahoo! swallowed up my geocities account, now is an even sadder day. Maybe I'm just being over dramatic, but I think there is something fundamentally wrong with charging for services freely rendered for so long. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an account with an ISP. I can't stand webmail.
Any e-mail sent through Yahoo's SMTP gateway gets a little ad slapped onto the bottom of the message. The ad is usually for a Yahoo service, but it's an ad anyway you slice it.
::Colz Grigor
Even if you're using POP3, someone still gets to view an ad.
Do you think this will change once I fork over $19.99 a month? Likely story.
I'd pay $50 / yr. provided that when I report a spam that got through, they credit me $.50 per spam email. They let 100 through in a year, and they're not doing their job of killing the SPAM - it's a wash. They succeed, and they profit. They fail miserably, and either it stops the crediting when it hits $0, or they pay me.
I've got quite a bit of E-mail in MANY folders stored on Yahoo. Has anyone found an Easy way to export folders? I can pop my inbox but how can I get to my folder contents?
...Marko
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MyRealBox.
Their privacy policy makes it clear they won't send advertisements to you or sell your information. They also specifically state that they won't send any unsolicited email and I couldn't find any mention that signing up constitutes you accepting advertising emails from them.
HotPop.
This one is a bit dodgy. They specifically state clearly that by signing up, that you will recieve email from them, from advertisors. Signing up means, that you are soliciting these emails according to them. At least they're being honest about it.
Any more?
I personally would stick with Yahoo, since I've been using that address for so long and I think $20-$30/year isn't too bad. There are no gurantees that these other 2 services won't charge you either in future.
Nooo! don't tell people - otherwise it will get popular and die!
If a square is really a rhombus, why aren't all triangles purple?
...only cost me $19 per YEAR to up my "free" e-mail, dcemail.com to use pop, etc.
Just so I understand, you use encrypted http requests to get mail on the road, so it will be secure.
;)
But, the mail that you're retrieving was itself sent as cleartext(?) just minutes before.
Perhaps I'm missing something.
Mail forwarding is an "I'll live without it before I'll pay for it" kind of thing for me. Simple and expeditious electronic person-to-person contact... bah!
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_pop.htm
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
It does sound like a good deal, but if that one address is ever compromised you will be out $19 and back on square one (though at least you're spam-free in the meantime).
You can go to sneakemail.com and get as many forwarding mailboxes as you like (they do smtp forwarding). If an address is ever compromised, you can start a new one from the website or using their simple perl command-line client. The neat thing about this service is that it also processes replies and pseudo-anonymizes them, in a manner similar to the old anon.penet.fi system. So you have a two-way mailbox that protects your true email address from spammers.
This system would enable you to give out an email address whilst minimising disclosure of your paid-for mailbox.
I like webmail. I can check it from any computer without any hassle at all. I used to use usa.net, then they started charging, so I switched to yahoo and have been very happy with them. I have a nice email address with my college, and I also run my own mail server even for my domain, but those both just forward into the yahoo account, so I can read all my mail at once, again from anywhere with no hassle.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
Fuck them. They already allow spam past their spam filters when it suits them (probably for kickbacks) - their service is slow, and unreliable. Often, some emails arrive without the content that the sender typed, and some emails just hang out on some server somewhere for weeks before the receiver gets them.
I've been a Yahoo customer for 5 years, and if they start charging for their service, fuck them, I'm gone. I'll start using the accounts pacbell gives me with my DSL service.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I signed up with Yahoo many, many years ago, hence my first name is my userid... You have no idea how many useless idiots send email to my name thinking the have someone else.
I have resorted to filtering all email from specific countries to the trash (mexico comes to mind), but that didnt work. Now I have to filter anything that does not have a specific word on the subject line to the trash, and I only give that code to some people.
Even so, yahoo mail isnt worth it... for that amount of money... You might as well go to hostsave, get a domain for what? 7 bucks a month and have all emails forward to your current inbox...
-- Huh?
Filtering spam does absolutely no good. Even if it prevents you from seeing it, the sender remains at large and no action is taken towards removing the "spam threat."
You can register at SpamCop for a free reporting account. This simple tool parses the header from your spam, gathers information about hosts, admins, and open relays, and reports said information to said admins. All you have to do is forward your spam to the email address they give you, then follow the link they send back. It's very easy, if you know what you're doing (ie, you know a bit about mail).
How does it work? By reporting open relays to router admins, business solicitating sites on personal web hosts to server admins, and provider-specific (AOL, etc.) TOS violations.
Testimonial: I have an account that I use for personal correspondence that used to be spammed about 1-2 times per week. I also have a Yahoo! account that I give to the public at large... that used to be spammed 5-10 times per DAY, OVER AND ABOVE what Yahoo! filters automatically into the Bulk Mail folder. I've been using SpamCop for about three months now, and I'm down to 1-2 spams per MONTH on my personal account, and 1-2 spams per day on my Yahoo! account. Not bad, eh?
So it takes some effort and some time, but it's far worth it. Filtering is the wrong way to go.
Thanks for your time. =)
The link to the The Register in the article is broken. Perhaps you should 1) Remove the 2 in the URL, and 2) PROOF READ BEFORE POSTING!
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..for a slashdot address?
username@slashdot.org would be nice,
or
user usernumber@slashdot.org.
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Heh - I was/am using a similar free e-mail service at Email.com. They made this same change recently. They kept sending me 'subscribe now and save' messages in order to continue their mail forwarding service. The cutoff date came and went, their warnings have stopped, but they're still forwarding my mail. At first I thought it was for real and maybe they just hadn't gotten around to turning off my forwarding, but now (weeks later) I'm starting to think it was just a ploy to get people to send them money. Kinda weird.
;-)
I'm not inclined to subscribe to these kinds of things. I have enough email addresses that I pay for as part of a domain or ISP service that it doesn't interest me to pay for additional mail services. I also don't freak out over targeted advertising. I'll put up with it (read, ignore it), to receive a free service. I don't begrudge someone wanting to make money for providing a service. I've paid for plenty of shareware and I do subscribe to some things, but this strikes me as a sort of bait and switch tactic. 'Let's give it to them free until they're dependent on it - then we can stick it to 'em! Bwuhahahahaha!'
Ok - maybe it's not as nefarious as all that and they really do just need to make some money to keep the ship afloat. That's fine - I guess I get to choose whether to contribute or not. At this point, I'm leaning toward 'not'. Pop access sure is convenient, but checking mail via web still works.
"Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing - and it was everything that I thought it could be."
Wow! I am in exatcly the same situation as you!
(Yahoo account solely for personal correspondence, hotmail account to catch the crap, so to speak).
With belt's tightening all over the world, couldn't I stop the forwarding and just read my yahoo e-mail account at home? (work blocks www.mail.yahoo.com, thus the forwarding to my unix account)
Or is a forwarding service, where none of my e-mail eats up ANY of their hardrive space (they just pass it on down the line) actually worth ~$20? Or have I just been overly sensitized to money in exchange for computer services?
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
Yahoo mail is excellent. And a Yahoo ID (which is the same thing) gives me excellent access to teh features that Yahoo provides - Yahoo is one of the most useful sites on the net.
Its worth 2 bucks a month. I drop more on donuts at Shipleys every week.
Don't blame me - I voted for Howard Dean. http://dean2004.blogspot.com
Yahoo! is also cutting off FTP access unless you pay, as of April 2nd. I haven't had POP3 access on any but my oldest Yahoo! accounts, so I don't use Yahoo! for email. I can only wonder how wise FTP's termination is...Once you're paying for it, you might as well get a domain of your own, since it would cost the same amount.
GL
WebDAV, yes, but no SSL WebDAV. Not in the Mac OSX WebDAV client either. So, everything you transfer can be snooped.
I emailed Yahoo! a week ago asking for this feature, which I'd gladly pay for, but they don't offer it. Here it goes...
I run my own mail server (POP/SMTP). Right now for email I use Pine by SSH'ing into the shell. Don't get me wrong, I love Pine; it was my email client in college. However, I really like the Yahoo! Mail interface, which I use (obviously) with my Yahoo! account.
What I want to do is this: I want to use Yahoo!'s web mail as a client only, and use my mail server for sending and receiving mail. I know Yahoo! has a service where they'll run the mail service for your domain, but I'm already paying for my mail server.
As an analogy: Let's say you use Eudora as your mail client to access your ISP's mail server.
Eudora mail client==Yahoo! web mail client
IPS's mail server==my mail server
I told them I'd pay up to $20 a year to do this, but they told me they don't offer it. When Yahoo! offers this ability, I will gladly pay them for it. Of course, I would expect the web mail session to be run over https, since I'm accustomed to SSH's into Pine now.
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
Its Novell's service. The idea is fairly simple. They want to test their messagin products in real world, with thousands of users, people want free mail.
:-) Great job Novell suits!
IMHO it must be advertised more. That money Yahoo wants is stupid. A pop3 access doesn't worth that much anyway. Well, leave it to their potential customers of course. Maybe people would buy just because its @yahoo in it.
At least, they should implement, APOP, TLS etc. Nothing. Novell has all.
Oh btw, Novell was dead, wasn't it?
what this means for those of us that still have geocities email accounts? i've asked them for an answer but haven't yet gotten one . . .
Yahoo has really been on a money making spree of late. I suppose it's understandable with the current market and such but man, they are really sticking it to their users. I feel for them to some degree because they've been offering great services for free for a long time. I mean who doesn't use their maps on a regular basis?
What gets to me is my addiction to them. They got me hooked and now they're hitting me for the cash. I feel so dirty...
Maps, news, yellow pages, email, etc... These are still free and the things I use most. I'm most upset about the classified adds going from free to $24 per add. That's WAY too steep and now there are not enough adds to make it worth using even to search! What's wrong with $5 an add?
No, I think Yahoo has gone too far with their crack dealing MO. Eventually even an addict like me knows when to get clean. I can only take so many Britney adds and attempts to get my wallet. Yahoo has been demoted from my start page to my favorites bar but that may not be the end of it.
I don't see it referenced anywhere...
I believe that IMAP can be used over SSL. See Secure Mail reading with Mac OS X
Did you notice that mail.yahoo.com change their title from: "Yahoo! Mail - The best free web-based email!" to "Yahoo! Mail"
:)
That means they aren't the best anymore
You can still see original title on Googles's cache:
http://www.google.com/search?q=mail.yahoo.com
Yahoo have ALWAYS charged for POP3 service, haven't they?
Well iff the web email accounts are free there's a
simple solution. A perl script that will go the the yahoo email web site, log in and get your email and save to the local drive, format the
gleaned data so that it looks like it was popped,
store the data locally on your yahoo inbox.
It's a piece of cake.
Also, I might be working on a plugin that will block any pop boxes. I will NEVER buy another product from X10 because those DAMN pop boxes SUCK!
Also,
Yahoo email is plagued with SPAM.
it's not worth 19.99/yr. because of the SPAM.
We're moving toward a situation of large private monopolies providing our hitherto "free" POP-abble email. Of course as private companies they are able to change their terms of service. And, as they no longer have to make themselves as attractive due to reduced competition we have to accept that we'll be paying for Spam in the near future.
All this is so that speculative investors can make a profit on the service that we all need.
Here's a crazy idea: divert some of our taxes from military expenditure, slap some more taxes on speculative investment, and divert that revenue into providing a free, POP3 accesible , low memory account for every citizen.
Don't like that idea? Don't like government providing public goods? Want to let the "Market" sort things out with its sweaty invisible hand?
Then don't complain about Yahoo charging, that's exactly what's happening.
um - BULLSHIT.
I have a mac.com account, along with about a dozen other services, and mac.com is the LEAST reliable among them (yahoo, pacbell, hotmail, mail.com, etc). I'd say a full 50% of the time I can't even contact the mac.com server, and another 45% of the time, I can contact it, but it takes well over a minute. Mac.com has been nothing but a huge waste of time for me.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Good then we will all use your friend's server :)
I'd be ready to pay 50$ a year for my 4 years old email adress IF they included sufficient services. I'm talking encrypted IMAP and webmail access, additionnal disk space (currently available at 19.99$), no ads, etc... Frankly, that's not much just so I don't have to change my email. But the current "additional services" are lacking in my opinion... I never understood why they don't offer this kind of package....
Looks like CNN is also going to charge for watching news videos.
fastmail.fm has a one time fee $10 that gives you IMAP POP and web. This site is much faster than myrealbox.com and has never (for me) had downtime. -mlrtime
very soon. dont believe me? send him a email.
For $19.99 you can register your own domain and for a few bucks more you can have someone host a pop, ftp, and web server for you.
Last year, I signed up for their Personal Address service, where for $35/year, you get a domain that they host for you. Basically, it's an alias that points back to your Yahoo address. The thing is, you can have up to five addresses in your domain for that price. Not bad for mail hosting. Naturally, I got my mail using POP3. Now they want to pull this shit, and only a month after I renewed my subscription. I feel like I just got ripped off.
I'm not going to cough up $19.95/year for this. I'll take my domain and transfer it to someplace like Stargate. At least they give me one POP3 address with domain registration. Are there any other registrars who will register a domain for a good price and throw in more than one POP3 mailbox with it that I ought to be looking at?
That light you see at the end of the tunnel might be from an oncoming train.
Personally I wish *all* free email services went to a pay service. I believe a lot of the spam floating around on the internet would be cut down.
Personally I have blacklisted yahoo, msn, aol, hotmail, yada yada yada.... anyways, I have most all free email services blocked... anyone who is important is going to have a non free email account.
If everyone blocked these stupid free accounts spamming would become a bit harder don't you think?
WhenI signed up for Yahoo their ad said free email for life.Yahoo! Mail Now it says free web based email with no mention of the length of time. This sounded good to me back then because at the time the Yahoo site offered a more unique web based experience anda wider range of services than its competitors. It still delivers to this day Yahoo! Yellow Pages, Yahoo! TV - Listings.I think I will continue to use the free services and stop using my Yahoo email now that I have a hosted website of my very own. I do have my Yahoo email filtered through Spamcop.net and might consider using this on my own domain now that Iwill no longer be using mail forwarding. Another way to combat this in my case is to create spam accounts that I do not check and periodically delete from my domain. Giving only my real address out to friends and aquaintences.
I fear thatif I switch to theYahoo Pay servicesit will continue to receive spam by the bucketloads. They supposedly have filters already in place to blockemail that they have verified as spam, but I think their spam department consists of one really overworked NetAdmin. They never seem to catch everything that ends up in my Spamcop account.
If you take a look at theYahoo stock price you will see why they are trying to increase their profit margin. Here is thearticle on Cnet about them charging forEmail services. This sudden decision to start charging for services that were once free is not a suprise after the Tech boom has ended. Yahoo is looking for ways to add value to their company and the only way they know how to do this is increase traffic and start adding pay services. Geocities will also start charging users for two new versions, GeoCities Plus and GeoCities Advantage.
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Sounds a bit like Dilbert when the boss decided he had to go around with a collar and leash: "It's not that bad..."
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Yahoo has done well by me. The mail service has been really good about always being there, *never* losing a mail, service interruptions very rare, and as I recall, being due to DoS attacks more often than not.
Even though I don't need the account any more as an 'on the road' kind of thing, since I got to the state of cluefulness to be able to deal with mail without the help of an ISP, I just don't mind making a small investment to maintain the service. In my opinion, Yahoo is one of the less evil companies around and so, here's my nickel.
Another factor in this is... I don't mind sending mail with Yahoo branding, it's not nearly as embarrasing as say, showing up in somebody's mailbox wearing Hotmail noseglasses.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
HotPOP is a free POP3 provider, and we have no plans to discontinue our free service. We currently have an optout option and will be adding several more plans in the next week or so. We have been around since 1998. Also, all of the servers are linux :)
Eric
Disclaimer: I work for HotPOP, I just figured you guys would like to know a free service still exists.
This is not the greatest sig in the world, this is just a tribute.
Well all I can say is I've rarely had problems. Last weekend there was an email outtage but that was the first I've ever noticed. As for the rest of it I've not heard of another free & advertising free host with the space, speed & services of mac.com. Your other examples all add taglines, require web interfaces, inserts ads, etc.
Heck check out Internet Help Desk video (QT & WMP) and tell me any other free service would offer this unlimited bandwidth?
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
A vast majority of spam the seems to come from Yahoo doesn't - spammers just forge the headers so the From line in the body of the message appears to be sent from Yahoo. Blame Korea and China's open relays for allowing open services to U.S. spammer scammers that are not controlled by law.
Yahoo! Mail is easily the best free webmail service out there. It's reliable, fast, and the minimalistic user interface is much better than the likes of Hotmail. I've never had one spam message evade their junk filter. I, for one, would gladly pay $19 for POP3 access to my Yahoo! account.
i've been using yahoo mail for 5+ years...
this is the first I ahve heard about this.
the funny thing is that I use yahoo only for the following services:
mail.yahoo.com
yp.yahoo.com
maps.yahoo.com
and absolutely nothing else. cant remember the last time I actually did a search on yahoo.
I'm also very interested to know if anyone's used them. 25 bucks a year for PHP, MySQL, SSH, e-mail options up the wazoo does sound too good to be true!
hugonz
Guess what for existing accounts. Whether you POP3 or not, you addresses have been sold off to advertisers. You are still going to get the same amount of spam .. just not as frequent plugs from Yahoo for their services. I seriously doubt Yahoo is going to all but eliminate the spam sent to you or passing through them.
They should at least retain the .forward feature so they can keep their email advertising base.
Maybe they should consider promoting to the users how they permanently close or relinquish their Yahoo Addresses, etc. That my help cut down on their backend load.
Heck, IMAP would reduce the load by sending only headers. POP clients can request only headers, but most don't. Later, Markus
Another ad-supported service goes "pay up, sucker"?
... And you're still shocked to see people starting to charge money to provide service?
Really shocking. I mean, we've had the free ride for years, we've got more dot-com corpses than anyone cares to count
Hmph. Well, I don't think I'll sign up.. I already have Spamcop pay account and they have SSL IMAP and stuff. Yahoo doesn't sell extra mailbox storage overseas either.
As far as I see it - there are two sides to Yahoo's e-mail POP operation - 1) People using Outlook Express, Pegasus etc to download mail from yahoo's pop server & therefore bypass the web ads (that's why they have to get the yahoo! delivers spam) and 2) Collecting mail from another pop3 mailbox using Yahoo! Now what nobody seems to have made clear yet is whether both of these services are going to come under the paid for category or just one. I only ask because I only use one of them anyway.
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If all you need is to access your pop3 accounts, and don't need yet another email address (YAEA), use a sitelike Zotmail
Why don't yahoo just put a few posts on /. and include their site in the sig link? Out of 33 comments I've made - 312 people in total have followed the signature link to my website - now that's got to be a higher reply rate than they'd get from sending spam!
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I am a daily user of my yahoo pop3 email account. I like the fact, that I can use Kmail or any other email client to send and receive my yahoo mail.
I can also understand Yahoo's desire to make money. If I understand correctly, yahoo mail is still free, only pop3 access and mail forwarding will cost. $20 is not too much and I would sign up, however, one of the requirements is to sign up for Yahoo Wallet. I would rather not have my personal data sitting on a yahoo server, for merchants to access.
I for one, will be looking for another solution.
I don't know howmany of you will read this, but if you do, a petition has been started for the return of free POP3 access to Yahoo!Mail http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi? ymybm1&1
Please sign it and send it to your friends!
Thanks
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I don't know howmany of you will read this, but if you do, a petition has been started for the return of free POP3 access to Yahoo!Mail http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi? ymybm1&1
Please sign it and send it to your friends!
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or other similar utilities that let you use web-based account from POP3 e-mail clients.
You're forgetting that they're following a doomed businessmodel. It doesn't matter how many visitors they have if they can't make money on them. Advertising is losing its effect on people, sure they can beef it up and target groups better, but in the end people get tired of being told what to buy, where to buy it and when. Of course the salesdroids think we're robots, but we got a surprise for them! :-)
Personally, I have ceased craving for more material goods. I have what I need, and if I need new RAM or a new HD, I'll check out a price-comparing site for the cheapest/best out there. You just can't beat that other than embrace and extinguish. I'm certainly not paying an extra 10% for them to be able to advertise me, which will be the overall effect of advertising all products in society (no overall benefit!). Advertising makes me search for competitors, always, if I need something.
Now that people have come to rely on Yahoo mail, and the ability to download it into their POP client, Yahoo has them hooked. So they're gonna charge for this! Previously, the only hook to get you to upgrade to the "pay" account was teh extra storage, which you didn't need if you downloaded your messages now and then.
Not that $20/year isn't a good deal- I've been using Yahoo mail because I can read webmail while travelling, then download it all when I get a chance. Plus, Yahoo is way more reliable than most ISPs' mail service- certainly moreso than Pacbell or Adelphia, which are so bad you can't rely on them at all- you really need something else.
Hey!
Great suggestion, mac.com, however unfortunately no Mac here. And although I've changed the user agent on my PC Netscape to a Mac variant (and tested it sucessfully elsewhere) mac.com knows I'm not running a Mac. Flushed the cache, cookies, varied IP, no go. =( If anyone with a Mac can take a minute and create an email account on Mac.com for me I'd appreciate it. Changing the password is simple afterward. Thanks.
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As an avid pobox user, I can say their service has been great. They are a pure forwarding service, with no adds / hassles, and a filter like most people would setup on their own domain. They also have interesting but useless stats / graphs on volume of mail and volume of spam over time.
Having used many forwarding services over the past four years (friendly mail, mail.com, earthling.net, deathsdoor.com, yahoo, london.com, etc), I can confidently say that pobox's ping times, response times, and overall professionalism have been the best.
Good work, and support the indies.
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I own three addresses though Yahoo. I also host 4 webpages (including my Girl Scout Gold Award Page) page on the Yahoo owned Geocities which has reciently ceased it's ftp access. I guess I should have started looking for another place to get my mail when I got the Yahoo survey about how much I would pay to continue my POP access. I'm dropping out of their service all together and sucking it up to finaly get a domain, through someone else. Frankly I'm really angry about this, I've been letting Yahoo advertise at the bottom of every one of my e-mails for the last three+ years. But you can't keep getting somthing for nothing I suppose. But Yahoo certinaly won't be getting -my- money for dropping this on us with only a month notice. I understand that they've been having a lot fo problems with spammers but I really doubt that getting rid of them was their motivation nor do I think that this will in any way hinder spammer who use Yahoo. Afterall, I get plenty of spam from Hotmail and they've never had POP access (not that I've ever seen anyway, don't yell at me if they do). As long as their is personal media, there will be unwanted advertising. Spam is no different from junk mail, or telemarketers.
-Department Head of the Department of Redundancy, Department Head
There are a whole bunch of webmail implementations on Freshmeat; do any of them fail to suck?
My friends who use Yahoo all also have other ISPs, including web pages, and only use Yahoo so that they can check their mail from anywhere. (They then download their Yahoo mail into a "real" mail reader via the formerly-free POP3 service, in order to archive it at home.)
It seems to me that if these folks were to install a webmail CGI on their own web pages for their private use only, they wouldn't need to use Yahoo at all to get location-independence. That's something most people would be able to do without needing root access on the HTTP server machine, assuming the ISP allows the running of CGIs at all. But there are so many packages, it's hard to guess whether any of them work, or whether any are of similar levels of usability to Yahoo's CGIs.
Any opinions?
Failing that, are there any decent "screen scrapers" that can log in to Yahoo's CGI interface and extract the HTML presentation of the messages into a Eudora/Netscape-compatible "mbox" folder? That would be a fine substitute for their POP3 interface.
If I'd known it was worth 4 karma points I wouldn't have deleted it! :)
--Gareth
So, is the reason this is worth 5 karma points and my earlier posting of the same info is worth -3 because I didn't maintain the formatting? I would think that people who care about understand karma would check precendence before dinging someone for redundancy. Or maybe they understand about karma all too well...
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Is there any *real* free email forwarding for life accounts out there anymore? Mail.com did a 180 on my earlier this year so I switched to yahoo.com and now, just when I've finally told everyone my new 'for life' email address it becomes useless to me.
"She's a West Texas girl, just like me" - G.W Bush Iraqis
Then parse and forward?
How about POP3-proxy their web mail?
Darn. I used to tell people to mail me at yahoo so I can receive mails on my Blackberrry. Now that I cannot forward I have to find another way...
I downloaded and tested your scripts.
Sadly, they do not work.
Perhaps Yahoo changed their HTML, or moved some logic into Javascript, so your bot can't scrape the screen.
Why not write an pop3 interface to yahoo (hotmail, ... etc.) webmail ;-) Like a local server which then talks to webmail.... Of course there is a problem that data should be retrieved by parsing HTML, which may often change (design), but I don't think that i.e. Yahoo! is changing its design so often..
But, when I think better, it's not worth it.Except if you gave your yahoo mail address to that good-looking girl you met last month, and you are still waiting her mail ;-)
The annoying thing is that my whole family and I use Yahoo! Mail for our personal family addresses... ie me@LastName.com and they already charge us for more than 5 accounts even though we pay the $30 a year for the name service. Now each of us needs to pay to use Outlook too???
I think that's really annoying. I'm a bit computer savy and at least have a cable modem and a decent computer, is it possible to host on my computer? It there a free email server I can host? Would I definitely need a static IP?
Or maybe another service that won't charge for every little thing and not have those annoying adds run at the bottom of all my emails???
Any help would be great guys.
I've been locked out of my fuh-qhoo! account for about 4 days now and now offically hate them. :)
I smell a conspiracy. I agree with the above post. I'll pay a subscription for Slashdot as long as it comes with an email.
...sttannnddaard devaation will occcuurr.
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Dear (xxxx),
This is your second and FINAL notice regarding e-mail forwarding at (xxxx)@mail.com. You need to act now to continue to receive e-mail at this address.
(Special Promotion removed)
Previously we sent you an e-mail advising you that we will begin charging for the E-mail forwarding feature. Effective 03/31/2002 we will turn off the free forwarding feature and deliver your email to your web account unless you elect to purchase our E-mail Forwarding Service or take part in our special promotion.
NOTE: If you choose NOT to signup for E-Mail Forwarding services or take part in our promotion, you may continue using your Mail.com account through our website. In order to do this you MUST log in to your Mail.com account before 03/31/2002. If you do not login to your account we will deactivate your account until you login.
If you have any additional questions, we have also provided additional E-Mail Forwarding FAQ's on the www.mail.com site. Click here to find out more.
Sincerely, The Mail.com Team
How do I subscribe to the E-mail Forwarding service?
1. Click here to access your e-mail account 2. Login to your Mail.com powered email account using your e-mail address and password (If you have forgotten your password click the 'forgot your password?' link on the login page. If you are still having problems please e-mail forwarding_transition@staff.mail.com) 3. On the left hand navigation click "Premium Services" 4. Click on "Premium Services" link under the Mail.com Premium Service Section 5. Check on the "Purchase Service" checkbox for E-mail Forwarding 6. Follow the easy steps to sign up.
How do I keep my account active?
1. Click here to access your e-mail account 2. Login to your Mail.com powered email account using your e-mail address and password (If you have forgotten your password click the 'forgot your password?' link on the login page. If you are still having problems please e-mail forwarding_transition@staff.mail.com) 3. Your account is now active. Please be sure to read our Inactive User Policy
I use Macs to up my productivity, so up yours Microsoft!
Er... It's $19.99 per year. Where is an ISP that will provide service for $19.99 per year?
I tried them - it spit out a lot of HTML to stdout, complained it could not write to the mbox and died. I looked at the HTML and it was just the Yahoo Mail login screen.
pay Yahoo $20 for email forwarding you cheapskate!
Yahoo will still be here in 30 years - long after all the fly-by-night operations have folded. Think about that when you migrate to some shoddy third-rate "free" email service. Yahoo's services are second to none. Best site on the web.
There are plenty out there, you just have to look for it. Hints: they are not in the US.
/.) is located on server in asia, quite fast and no ad.
Go to country like japan, taiwan, etc. They don't charge for everything. The pop3 email I use (not one that I register with
Well, on the other hand the price is reasonable, and the did give ample notice...
sic transit gloria mundi
I just used it last night... It still worked. Are you behind a firewall. Email me and I will help you.
TANSTAAFL
So...
$20/month * 12 months/year = $240/year
$15/month * 12 months/year + $40/year = $220/year
I'm sure Salon would be more than happy to cut you a pricing deal that makes you pay an extra $20/year.
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Floccinaucinihilipilification - the action or habit of judging something to be worthless