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Re:Spell Checker?
Grab the spellchecker from Netscape ftp here : win , macos (not X) or linux i686.
Then drag it onto a Mozilla window, you'll get a dialog for installing it.Some people on #mozillazine tell me that it may not work with Mozilla 0.9.5 though, previous verison shoudl be ok
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Re:Spell Checker?
Grab the spellchecker from Netscape ftp here : win , macos (not X) or linux i686.
Then drag it onto a Mozilla window, you'll get a dialog for installing it.Some people on #mozillazine tell me that it may not work with Mozilla 0.9.5 though, previous verison shoudl be ok
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Re:Spell Checker?
Grab the spellchecker from Netscape ftp here : win , macos (not X) or linux i686.
Then drag it onto a Mozilla window, you'll get a dialog for installing it.Some people on #mozillazine tell me that it may not work with Mozilla 0.9.5 though, previous verison shoudl be ok
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Microsoft slitting its own throat
First, a rant about slashdot...
The counter has reached 600 comments and it's going.. but it gets pretty repetitive after a few dozen..
- Either: "It still works on browser x on platform y!"
- Or: "It doesn't work on browser x on platform y, just like you said it wouldn't, but I still had to see it to believe it, and while I'm at it, I'll post my findings, who cares if it's fucking redundant!"
- Or: "Just change the user-agent string! Click 'Preferences'.. bla bla bla."
And now, some thoughts (which may also be redundant, but as you can see, I really didn't feel like reading 600 variations of the three above to see if someone else has posted this)...
This is an interesting move by Microsoft. msn.com got a new designed on the day that Windows XP got launched, and blocks popular browsers. They block Opera, Mozilla, Linux browsers but not older versions of Netscape. I'd throw a guess that they are still letting users of older Netscape in because these people aren't the group that is ever going to upgrade anyway (computer illiterates, hardware limitation, policy of whoever owns the computer in the first place). Interestingly, these people are also more likely to still have home.netscape.com (which incidently has link on their front page to an article or two about Windows XP) as their startup page. MSN says the browsers are blocked because they are not standards compliant. This is a very weak reasoning. If so, how come they are only blocking the few popular browsers and not (the less compliant) NS 4.7? And whose bloody fucking standards are they talking about? IE isn't even 100% w3c standards compliant, and the other browsers can display their page properly anyway (as some slashdotters [who have now been touted by me as being redundant, yes I too am inconsisent] claim), so they are being hypocritical.
MSN also used to have a "Online Contacts" ActiveX applet, which interacted with the MSN "Steal AOL/ICQ users through forceful repeated nagging advertising on our monopoly web-based mail service" Messenger to display your Messenger contact list on their front page. It's not there anymore. Is it gone because ActiveX isn't standards-compliant, and keeping it would make their standards-compliance-exclusivity, well, hypocritical?
Or is it, like someone have said, just a temporary page because they weren't able to complete in time the hacks that would make their site render "compatibly" in Opera/Mozilla? I downloaded the msn.com page and viewed it using the other browsers. In Opera 5.12, the layout looked almost right, in Mozilla 0.9.1, less right. Netscape 4.7 crashed, and I can't believe I have 4 browsers installed!
What can we do against it? I would suggest boycotting IE by blocking them when they visit us ("us" being anyone with a website). Of course this isn't a very viable option. For one thing, as it has been often and sadly claimed, the majority of internet users use IE. MSN blocking non-IE browsers will only reduce its viewership by a few people who don't upgrade. But if a major site, for example Slashdot, blocks IE, it risks losing a lot more, and that's not something any company is willing to risk - especially during this shaky economical time. But I would like to put forward the idea, that we should just gamble it. If they haven't done so, downloading and installing Mozilla will not be a big hassle to most Slashdot readers anyway (unless they're at work and have no right to do so, in which case maybe they should switch jobs. :) . And I'm willing to bet that most Slashdotters will do it, because this site is important to them. It is more important, certainly, than MSN. So maybe this site, and the only other large userbase, nerd-friendly site, I know; everything2.com should begin the boycott. These sites create a sense of attachment to its users, and they're not just going to walk away because they have to download a different browser. One of the effects of this "rule" is, if we already use Mozilla/Opera for our main browsing activities (slashdot and everything2), we're not going to just close it up and load IE to look at other sites, we are most likely going to stick with the same browser to view other sites. Unfortunately, another effect is that the sites are not likely to get any new readers, because if you saw a link to Slashdot and it was going to be your first time visiting it, and you click it in your IE window and you get "Use Mozilla or go away!", you're not going to bother downloading Mozilla to see what this one measly unheard-of-before site has to offer. If we were to expand the boycott, perhaps ask AOL to join the boycott and IE users will no longer be able to view CNN.com. The chances of this happening is, of course, highly unlikely. Other popular sites are mostly out of the question. Portals like Yahoo! would fear losing even more of their viewers to MSN.
Of course, it's silly to play these games and render the web even more unusable. Of course a lot of us dream of showing it to Microsoft (reminds me of the scene in Braveheart where the Scottish warriors lifted up their kilts to insult the English soldiers), so why not just risk it? And if it doesn't work, there's always admitting defeat, and stop the boycott, although you'd have to face the jeerings of those who didn't bother to do anything about Microsoft fucking up their internet in the first place.
On the other hand, I wonder if Microsoft has thought out this plan very well. MSN is "yet another portal" anyway, that would not have a lot of viewers if it were not set as the home page on every install/upgrade of Internet Explorer (which, because it was embedded in the monopoly OS, has a monopoly of users) and the default redirect-after-logout page of Hotmail (the most used (the monopoly in) web-based email). It's obvious they are very interested in standardizing everybody to IE and (they hope) Windows XP, in preparation for .NET . I can't believe anyone will still want to do business with them! Especially if their idea is a subscription based service that worsens your bottom line! At home, I use Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer because I got used to them (NS 4.7 got crummier while IE got better), I use Office and Outlook 2000, but I really have paid very little for them, I pirated them and I'm willing to admit it. They are quite excellent products, but this fucked up marketing strategy is going to kill Microsoft; if I were running a business and have to use legal software, no way I'm going to waste my money on their stuff, especially if every Melissa, ILoveYou, JLo, Kournikova, SirCam (they're mostly user education problems, but at least if the secretary opens that love letter attachment in Linux, nothing horrible will happen), Code Red and Nimda is going to cost me even some more money, especially during these times when money is tight! (This gives me an idea for an ad for open-source, but who in the open-source can afford it, IBM maybe?, an ad that goes "Its unstable, 2 lines of code is enough to root it, it sends your files to other people, and you have to pay monthly subscription to have it!").
Someone just have to really make Microsoft's customers aware of its track record, and let Microsoft continue slitting its own throat, until they wise up, fix their holes and start playing fairly. -
Microsoft slitting its own throat
First, a rant about slashdot...
The counter has reached 600 comments and it's going.. but it gets pretty repetitive after a few dozen..
- Either: "It still works on browser x on platform y!"
- Or: "It doesn't work on browser x on platform y, just like you said it wouldn't, but I still had to see it to believe it, and while I'm at it, I'll post my findings, who cares if it's fucking redundant!"
- Or: "Just change the user-agent string! Click 'Preferences'.. bla bla bla."
And now, some thoughts (which may also be redundant, but as you can see, I really didn't feel like reading 600 variations of the three above to see if someone else has posted this)...
This is an interesting move by Microsoft. msn.com got a new designed on the day that Windows XP got launched, and blocks popular browsers. They block Opera, Mozilla, Linux browsers but not older versions of Netscape. I'd throw a guess that they are still letting users of older Netscape in because these people aren't the group that is ever going to upgrade anyway (computer illiterates, hardware limitation, policy of whoever owns the computer in the first place). Interestingly, these people are also more likely to still have home.netscape.com (which incidently has link on their front page to an article or two about Windows XP) as their startup page. MSN says the browsers are blocked because they are not standards compliant. This is a very weak reasoning. If so, how come they are only blocking the few popular browsers and not (the less compliant) NS 4.7? And whose bloody fucking standards are they talking about? IE isn't even 100% w3c standards compliant, and the other browsers can display their page properly anyway (as some slashdotters [who have now been touted by me as being redundant, yes I too am inconsisent] claim), so they are being hypocritical.
MSN also used to have a "Online Contacts" ActiveX applet, which interacted with the MSN "Steal AOL/ICQ users through forceful repeated nagging advertising on our monopoly web-based mail service" Messenger to display your Messenger contact list on their front page. It's not there anymore. Is it gone because ActiveX isn't standards-compliant, and keeping it would make their standards-compliance-exclusivity, well, hypocritical?
Or is it, like someone have said, just a temporary page because they weren't able to complete in time the hacks that would make their site render "compatibly" in Opera/Mozilla? I downloaded the msn.com page and viewed it using the other browsers. In Opera 5.12, the layout looked almost right, in Mozilla 0.9.1, less right. Netscape 4.7 crashed, and I can't believe I have 4 browsers installed!
What can we do against it? I would suggest boycotting IE by blocking them when they visit us ("us" being anyone with a website). Of course this isn't a very viable option. For one thing, as it has been often and sadly claimed, the majority of internet users use IE. MSN blocking non-IE browsers will only reduce its viewership by a few people who don't upgrade. But if a major site, for example Slashdot, blocks IE, it risks losing a lot more, and that's not something any company is willing to risk - especially during this shaky economical time. But I would like to put forward the idea, that we should just gamble it. If they haven't done so, downloading and installing Mozilla will not be a big hassle to most Slashdot readers anyway (unless they're at work and have no right to do so, in which case maybe they should switch jobs. :) . And I'm willing to bet that most Slashdotters will do it, because this site is important to them. It is more important, certainly, than MSN. So maybe this site, and the only other large userbase, nerd-friendly site, I know; everything2.com should begin the boycott. These sites create a sense of attachment to its users, and they're not just going to walk away because they have to download a different browser. One of the effects of this "rule" is, if we already use Mozilla/Opera for our main browsing activities (slashdot and everything2), we're not going to just close it up and load IE to look at other sites, we are most likely going to stick with the same browser to view other sites. Unfortunately, another effect is that the sites are not likely to get any new readers, because if you saw a link to Slashdot and it was going to be your first time visiting it, and you click it in your IE window and you get "Use Mozilla or go away!", you're not going to bother downloading Mozilla to see what this one measly unheard-of-before site has to offer. If we were to expand the boycott, perhaps ask AOL to join the boycott and IE users will no longer be able to view CNN.com. The chances of this happening is, of course, highly unlikely. Other popular sites are mostly out of the question. Portals like Yahoo! would fear losing even more of their viewers to MSN.
Of course, it's silly to play these games and render the web even more unusable. Of course a lot of us dream of showing it to Microsoft (reminds me of the scene in Braveheart where the Scottish warriors lifted up their kilts to insult the English soldiers), so why not just risk it? And if it doesn't work, there's always admitting defeat, and stop the boycott, although you'd have to face the jeerings of those who didn't bother to do anything about Microsoft fucking up their internet in the first place.
On the other hand, I wonder if Microsoft has thought out this plan very well. MSN is "yet another portal" anyway, that would not have a lot of viewers if it were not set as the home page on every install/upgrade of Internet Explorer (which, because it was embedded in the monopoly OS, has a monopoly of users) and the default redirect-after-logout page of Hotmail (the most used (the monopoly in) web-based email). It's obvious they are very interested in standardizing everybody to IE and (they hope) Windows XP, in preparation for .NET . I can't believe anyone will still want to do business with them! Especially if their idea is a subscription based service that worsens your bottom line! At home, I use Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer because I got used to them (NS 4.7 got crummier while IE got better), I use Office and Outlook 2000, but I really have paid very little for them, I pirated them and I'm willing to admit it. They are quite excellent products, but this fucked up marketing strategy is going to kill Microsoft; if I were running a business and have to use legal software, no way I'm going to waste my money on their stuff, especially if every Melissa, ILoveYou, JLo, Kournikova, SirCam (they're mostly user education problems, but at least if the secretary opens that love letter attachment in Linux, nothing horrible will happen), Code Red and Nimda is going to cost me even some more money, especially during these times when money is tight! (This gives me an idea for an ad for open-source, but who in the open-source can afford it, IBM maybe?, an ad that goes "Its unstable, 2 lines of code is enough to root it, it sends your files to other people, and you have to pay monthly subscription to have it!").
Someone just have to really make Microsoft's customers aware of its track record, and let Microsoft continue slitting its own throat, until they wise up, fix their holes and start playing fairly. -
Re:I run into those every once in a while
I hope all web developers learn the that browser detection shouldn't redirect you to another page! I run the junkbuster proxy and sites always screw up. Just put a message at the top of your page saying that "the page would look better if had this"
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Re:Just out of curiosity...
I work for Sun in the Cobalt Server Appliances group. I personally run StarOffice on my RH7.1 laptop for doing presentations for customers, etc. It is not _mandatory_ for Sun employees to use StarOffice, but most do. It's the only suite that Sun's internal IT group supports. So people who choose M$ Office are on their own for support. Also, Netscape is Sun's "official" browser and email program. If you read your mail with Outlook, etc, you're on your own too...
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Re:90 percent of Mozilla staff work for AOL.
Netscape is owned by AOL, Most Mozilla staff are Netscape staff. Aol owns the staff thus they own Mozilla.
You are correct, and AOL also calls the shots. They have not been particularly interventionist so far, it appears, but some public information has come to light on (for instance) milestone dates being changed to accomodate AOL demands, and the head of Mozilla being removed by AOL.
Take a look at the WHOIS entry for Mozilla.org and compare it with the contact address for Netscape. Both are in Mountain View, hmm, but that could mean anything. Now look at the map to Mozilla.org and the map to Netscape. Hmm. Mozilla.org seems to be based in a Netscape building.
Independent? I don't think so.
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Re:I call bullshit (Re:Google Toolbar)
OK, so I was mistaken. Google don't provide a toolbar, they provide a sidebar tab. Install it here.
But a toolbar would be pretty easy to do too ;-)
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Re:Disappointing
Love's slam of Microsoft on the patent front is somewhat unfair.
Bullshit. Your slam of Love is unfair. To-wit:
It wasn't Microsoft's to sue. It was Xerox'. ... Microsoft has not sued to prevent others using the Xerox windows GUI as apple did,Strike one.
sued to prevent extension of an 'open' language standard as Sun did,
Exqueeze me? Microsoft replaced several key calls with proprietary API of their own... violating their license agreement to use the Java trademark. You don't like it? Go write your own damn language, but if it doesn't meet standards, you can't call it "Java". That's not dirty pool, that's just fair.Microsoft never had to sue to prevent the bogus breaking of a language; they were the ones doing the bogus breaking. There's a difference in adding things to a language and breaking what's already there.
Strike two.
or steer standards bodies towards a technique they owned an undisclosed patent on.
Oh, yeah? Tell me Microsoft isn't behind RAND.Strike three called, on the outside corner. Go siddown, Casey.
They don't call it the Evil Empire for nothing.... and I don't care if you are a troll (obviously the moderators don't think so), the hoi polloi need setting straight. I don't hate Microsoft for their products. Some of them are actually decent. I hate Microsoft because they do, in fact, play dirty pool.
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If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve the Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
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It's a fair fight, got a problem with that?The "good uses" of encryption are here to stay.
One of the tactics of the black hats seems to be to dig around for information from places, and perhaps in ways, which might not be quite so easy for them to get access to, when the white hats learn to use encryption as well as "they" do.
For example, consider mining an airline booking site to see which flights have special prices. This type of information retrieval might become better protected, because such information could lead to speculation about the human-density on the flight.
Consider also, that Europe, as Us, is devastated by every new MS worm that comes around. But if they'd only use SSL server encryption more widely, they'd be unbothered by such simple virusen. Managers will buy more servers, because SSL takes more horsies, (as every other form of encryption), users will share information in a more sensible way, the economy will rebound, etc., etc..
:)I contend that the most interesting authorities built out of X.509, in any case objCA, sslCA, and objsign (from openssl docs and Netscape definitions), should continue to be widely encouraged. emailCA, perhaps is for the more mature organization, but an organizations email can sometimes be the biggest "hole" of all. It should be closed-up, in any good business activity, anywhere, eventually.
The point is, everyones already got this stuff. The playing field is even, and we have to fight dishonesty with the same tools as are being used to hide it.
Not to worry unless someone tells you to put your certificate on your head or your hand (right). Right?
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What about Exchange and Active Directory
\me Dons flame-resistant flash suit
Linux is not ready for the desktop (yet)
Until StarOffice is a viable replacement for Office (which it's not, although I have very high hopes for 6.0), Linux must be relagated to the realm of engineers and backoffice work. Still, that's a pretty good place to *start* if you ask me. But there's a problem: you want to have Linux (or *BSD; I'm no zealot) in the server room and slowly migrate it out to the desktops. But you might wind up breaking some things that people want. Like Exchange and Active Directory.
AFAIK, there is no "one-stop" replacement for Exchange like Apache is for IIS. If you're doing the whole "shared calendar and contacts" thing, I've yet to hear about something that can beat it. I've heard people say "Oh, just hack something together using LDAP" but that's not good enough. Corporate types want a "stable and proven solution", not something their geeks cranked out in the course of a month.
And while Netscape does have a Directory Service it isn't as "User Friendly" as AD is. As companies discover how useful a Directory service can be there will be more of a demand for them, but (again, AFAIK) only MS makes the service available to the Desktop user in a clean and consistent fashion.
So we need to both fix the desktop and the back office in order to beat MS. It's a hard task, and a lot to ask for, but I can't wait to see it done. -
another comment about the situation in Afghanist
See a posting by an Afghan in America that seems to sum up the situation in Afghanistan quite well.
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Re:Yet Another Linux Bigot (YALB)
You can get Nimda about seven different ways and 6 of them have nothing to do with running a web server. Just browsing an infected site, something beyond your control, with IE 5.5 sp1 or less was enough.
This is true, of course. This worm spreads in a number of ways, all of which exploit security flaws in Microsoft software:
- It can directly attack your computer if you are running
Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS)
- Consider using Apache instead
- It can attack as a mail attachment if you are using
Microsoft Outlook as a mail client
- Consider using Pegasus instead
- Consider using Netscape 6 instead
- Consider using KMail (on UNIX/Linux) instead.
- It can attack as an executable attachment to a Web page if
you browse with Microsoft Internet Explorer
- Consider using Opera instead.
- Consider using Mozilla instead.
- Consider using Netscape 6 instead.
- Consider using Konqueror (on UNIX/Linux) instead.
Notice a pattern there? Yes, that's right. If you don't run Microsoft, you can't get Nimda. Or Code Red, or Code Red II, or SirCam, or Melissa, or...
This isn't about being a Linux bigot. You can't get Nimda on MacOS. You can't get it on Solaris. You can't get in on OS/400, or AIX, or an Amiga, or on *BSD. This isn't a matter of Linux being good. Linux is just ordinary, like any other half-competent operating system.
This is a matter of Microsoft being incompetent. Hopelessly, culpably, irredeemably incompetent.
- It can directly attack your computer if you are running
Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS)
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Re:Yet Another Linux Bigot (YALB)
You can get Nimda about seven different ways and 6 of them have nothing to do with running a web server. Just browsing an infected site, something beyond your control, with IE 5.5 sp1 or less was enough.
This is true, of course. This worm spreads in a number of ways, all of which exploit security flaws in Microsoft software:
- It can directly attack your computer if you are running
Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS)
- Consider using Apache instead
- It can attack as a mail attachment if you are using
Microsoft Outlook as a mail client
- Consider using Pegasus instead
- Consider using Netscape 6 instead
- Consider using KMail (on UNIX/Linux) instead.
- It can attack as an executable attachment to a Web page if
you browse with Microsoft Internet Explorer
- Consider using Opera instead.
- Consider using Mozilla instead.
- Consider using Netscape 6 instead.
- Consider using Konqueror (on UNIX/Linux) instead.
Notice a pattern there? Yes, that's right. If you don't run Microsoft, you can't get Nimda. Or Code Red, or Code Red II, or SirCam, or Melissa, or...
This isn't about being a Linux bigot. You can't get Nimda on MacOS. You can't get it on Solaris. You can't get in on OS/400, or AIX, or an Amiga, or on *BSD. This isn't a matter of Linux being good. Linux is just ordinary, like any other half-competent operating system.
This is a matter of Microsoft being incompetent. Hopelessly, culpably, irredeemably incompetent.
- It can directly attack your computer if you are running
Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS)
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Re:Why I think Google rocks.
True, but be wary -- once upon a time, they were just a search engine. Now, you have the Google Directory, Google Images, Google Translations, and Google Groups. It's true that Google does these things better than anything else... Google is the best search engine ever (duh), the image search kicks Lycos' ass, and Google Groups is better than Deja ever was. But they're only a management initiative away from tacking some sort of lame, pointless portal on to their wonderful search facilities.
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White House evacuated, but NOT destroyedAt time of writing, the White House is still intact, despite a misleading header on Netscape.com. It's been evacuated (and thus 'hit' as in 'hindered'), but has NOT been destroyed.
(Disclaimer: IANANS - I Am Not A News Service)
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Is this true?
Netscape.com says White House has also been attacked on their front page. but the thier story page does not contain this. It this true?
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different kinds of geeksNow, those same geeks are complaining ON THOSE VERY SAME VENTURE CAPITALISTS?!?!
Nope, there are, in fact, different kinds of geeks. There are the clueless geeks who think that they can make a quick buck by developing big sounding technology with expensive tools and on impossible deadlines. Sometimes they get lucky, but more often, they get f*cked.
Clueful geeks never participated in this game. They work steady jobs, save money, run small consulting business, and generally are having a much better time. If a VC contacts them, they just politely refuse.
You don't need millions of dollars in order to be happy. Engineering and software development is a decent way to make a living, and you can be quite well off without ruining your health on startup dreams.
Oh, as for the open source startups, the VCs that invested in them were fools. But if VCs are going to waste their money, they might as well waste it on something that contributes to the common good. I suspect many engineers working for such companies weren't dreaming on getting rich but just liked the idea of creating open source software fulltime. (Support of open source by companies like Sun and IBM, on the other hand, makes business sense for them.)
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uhhh, WRONG, I R0X0R!
fsckn' humorless pinhead moderators!
Was on topic, guy wanted to see ASCII (ATHEOS) parrots.
I would find "Troll" to be quite acceptable, since what I gave him was a penisbird (still ASCII, and still a parrot, muthafukkas!)
BTW, you can find a mirror of the true ASCII are ATHEOS parrots here. -
Re:SciAm
Nice try. Please play again.
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Re:IBM slogan?
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Re:IBM slogan?
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Come on! Moderate me hard, baby!
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Come on! Moderate me hard, baby!
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Re: The Truth About CmdrTaco, VA, and Microsoft
I got bit by that the other day.
I don't know what would be more pitiful -- the idiot /. crew deleting troll posts critical to /., rather than having a moderation system that works -or- slashcode 2.2 is so fux0red up that it's loosing posts.
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Re:ugh
"What's that noise, oh yeah, that's my karma fading away."
Maybe you should've checked "post annonymously" when chosing to be a dumbass, dumbass.
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Re:hehe
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Re:Finding a specific message not easy
I've heard that this hotmail problem is very similar to a huge gaping hole in the arse
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Re:Finding a specific message not easy
That's a fundamental flaw in Hotmail, personally I use Netscape Webmail as it doesn't have the security problem that MS-Hotmail has. Please ditch hotmail for anything other than spam and get your mates to do the same.
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Re:More info
You're all homosexual!
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Re:More info
Heh, the people at Netscape are loving this. You can see them gloating in this article.
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[#452338] large numbers of trolls in user base
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=4421&ati
d =104421&func=detail&aid=452338
heh. heh. heh. -
Re:Looks like the goatse.cx filter is off
Wrong.
Like this -
Re:Hey bitches
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Re:Logging in
Sorry, you people with user accounts can berate the shit out of us ACs, but I'm sticking to this out of principle. I'm not gonna set up an account just to make trolling easier.
(hell, I never bother to log into the account I do have when making legitimate posts. The moderators are just as idiotic as the trolls around here.)
This is gonna be an interesting couple of weeks since the usual bunch of idiots decided to raise the stakes in the arms race. -
Netscape's history of the GUI browser
I'd like to point out Netscape's rather interesting history of GUI browsers. It starts of showing how some of the founders of Mosaic went on to found Mosaic Communications Corporation which was later renamed to Netscape. It then covers Microsoft IE and the decision to start the Mozilla project which is producing the next generation of Netscape browsers as well as others.
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Netscape's history of the GUI browser
I'd like to point out Netscape's rather interesting history of GUI browsers. It starts of showing how some of the founders of Mosaic went on to found Mosaic Communications Corporation which was later renamed to Netscape. It then covers Microsoft IE and the decision to start the Mozilla project which is producing the next generation of Netscape browsers as well as others.
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Netscape's history of the GUI browser
I'd like to point out Netscape's rather interesting history of GUI browsers. It starts of showing how some of the founders of Mosaic went on to found Mosaic Communications Corporation which was later renamed to Netscape. It then covers Microsoft IE and the decision to start the Mozilla project which is producing the next generation of Netscape browsers as well as others.
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partial list of browsers for you to tryWhich browser is right for you? You can answer that by trying them yourself:
The article did not review a number of browsers. Here are a some more that you may want to try:
- Arena
- Amaya
- Chimera
- MMM
- Emacs/W3
- Lynx (text based)
- Links (text based)
- Debris (text based)
- w3m (text based)
- Libwww (text/line based)
- HowJava
- Express
- Armadillo (was Gzilla)
- Mnemonic
- Kde (file manager with builtin browser)
- mMosaic
- QtMozilla
- QWeb
- Mosaic
- Arachne
- Beest
- Beonex
- BrowseX
- Grail
- Dillo
- NetRaider
And how the disclaimers: The list above by no means complete. The browers above were listed in j-random order. Some browsers are in early alpha stage, some in Beta and others are in full release. Some of the browsers may suck, some are OK and some are good. Your mileage may vary. Sorry If I left out your favorite browser. IE was left off the list for obvious reasons. Good while supply lasts or until Bill Gates takes over. I'm not a member of the FCIA. Void where cast as (void).
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Re:Explorer?
Check out this. I know it's a Netscape site, but it doesn't make the facts any less real.
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Will it make a differenceThe courts have to get an injunction against XP before they release it otherwise once it's out there people will buy it, there's even a chance that people will rush out to buy it just in case it is pulled by the courts. Therefore the only way this is gonna be effective is to get an injunction now, otherwise it may benefit MS in the long run.
Another thing that's surprising is that IE6 isn't released yet, rumour was that IE6 was due for a Wednesday release but it's still in beta. Netscape 6.1 was released a week before IE6's alleged launch date, and 6.1 is a lot nicer than the joke that was 6.0, it's now some real competition for IE. I don't think it's gonna suddenly give Netscape advantage in the browser wars but it's good to see their competition has not given up.
So courts, if you want an injunction get it now, otherwise for the good of everyone just don't bother.
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The link...
is http://www.netscape.com/fishcam/ for the uninitiated.
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Re:Real Time Strategy - Biases?
England, a colony of America.
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Not very funnyFirst, I don't really think the prospect of 700 people losing their jobs is particularly funny. That's a lot of families and children involved.
Second, I don't think it's very funny that DSL providers are being forced into bankruptcy by the Baby Bells (see this and this and this and do your own searches if you need more).
Laugh if you will, but in the long run, you're going to only have AOL-Time Warner cable (after they swallow most of the cable providers) vs. DSL from your local Baby Bell to choose from for broadband service. And like Coke and Pepsi, AOL and the Baby Bell aren't going to compete on price or quality.
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Re:That's what the internet is all about!Uh-oh. It looks like even the Amazing Fishcam has recently taken a dive. Ahem.
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How to Install Spell Check in Mozilla!
According to this article on MozillaZine you may be able to use Netscape's proprietary spell checker in Mozilla by installing the spell check XPI from Netscape 6.1.
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Re:What's new in version 6.1
Actually, Netscape's Release Notes page is incorrect and my guess was based on it. They should have a link to Mozilla 0.9.2 instead of Mozilla 0.9.3.
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New Theme!Netscape has released a new Toy Factory theme for Netscape 6.1. Big bright buttons!
TheFrood
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"Unix" version only available for Linux 2.2"Netscape Browser Version 6.1 is released. Give it a try, grab the 25MByte junk of code for MAC, Unix and Windows at ftp.netscape.com."
Beware that the only "Unix" version available under
/pub/netscape6/english/6.1/unix/ is "Linux 2.2"!