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Those of you who'd rather watch satellite programming, don't forget to check out VDR. Add a cheap PCI card to your PC and you can be time-shifting satellite programming in no time.

I was seriously looking at building a Shuttle, but let's compare it to the Mac Mini

For the Shuttle, you can either buy a complete system from them and spend twice as much or build a system. Don't forget the CPU. And the RAM, and the hard drive, and the DVD drive. At this point, it's about the same cost as a base Mac Mini.

Even if you add the Mac Mini DVD burner, larger hard drive and extra RAM, you're still not saving much with the Shuttle. I'm not even going to mention the operating system and having to set it all up...

Please don't counter with a el cheapo price quote from some other scum dealer either, just Newegg... If you counter, make sure it has the same features also...

Or buy the Mac Mini, with the OS installed, plug it in, and have it up and running.

The mini has a DVI output for an HDTV monitor and Firewire for either DV or cable box (MPEG-TS) input. I personally think the Mini price is great for what you get. Especially if you want it in your living room next to your HDTV as a Media Center...

I was seriously looking at building a Shuttle, but let's compare it to the Mac Mini

For the Shuttle, you can either buy a complete system from them and spend twice as much or build a system. Don't forget the CPU. And the RAM, and the hard drive, and the DVD drive. At this point, it's about the same cost as a base Mac Mini.

Even if you add the Mac Mini DVD burner, larger hard drive and extra RAM, you're still not saving much with the Shuttle. I'm not even going to mention the operating system and having to set it all up...

Please don't counter with a el cheapo price quote from some other scum dealer either, just Newegg... If you counter, make sure it has the same features also...

Or buy the Mac Mini, with the OS installed, plug it in, and have it up and running.

The mini has a DVI output for an HDTV monitor and Firewire for either DV or cable box (MPEG-TS) input. I personally think the Mini price is great for what you get. Especially if you want it in your living room next to your HDTV as a Media Center...

I was seriously looking at building a Shuttle, but let's compare it to the Mac Mini

For the Shuttle, you can either buy a complete system from them and spend twice as much or build a system. Don't forget the CPU. And the RAM, and the hard drive, and the DVD drive. At this point, it's about the same cost as a base Mac Mini.

Even if you add the Mac Mini DVD burner, larger hard drive and extra RAM, you're still not saving much with the Shuttle. I'm not even going to mention the operating system and having to set it all up...

Please don't counter with a el cheapo price quote from some other scum dealer either, just Newegg... If you counter, make sure it has the same features also...

Or buy the Mac Mini, with the OS installed, plug it in, and have it up and running.

The mini has a DVI output for an HDTV monitor and Firewire for either DV or cable box (MPEG-TS) input. I personally think the Mini price is great for what you get. Especially if you want it in your living room next to your HDTV as a Media Center...

I was seriously looking at building a Shuttle, but let's compare it to the Mac Mini

For the Shuttle, you can either buy a complete system from them and spend twice as much or build a system. Don't forget the CPU. And the RAM, and the hard drive, and the DVD drive. At this point, it's about the same cost as a base Mac Mini.

Even if you add the Mac Mini DVD burner, larger hard drive and extra RAM, you're still not saving much with the Shuttle. I'm not even going to mention the operating system and having to set it all up...

Please don't counter with a el cheapo price quote from some other scum dealer either, just Newegg... If you counter, make sure it has the same features also...

Or buy the Mac Mini, with the OS installed, plug it in, and have it up and running.

The mini has a DVI output for an HDTV monitor and Firewire for either DV or cable box (MPEG-TS) input. I personally think the Mini price is great for what you get. Especially if you want it in your living room next to your HDTV as a Media Center...

I was seriously looking at building a Shuttle, but let's compare it to the Mac Mini

For the Shuttle, you can either buy a complete system from them and spend twice as much or build a system. Don't forget the CPU. And the RAM, and the hard drive, and the DVD drive. At this point, it's about the same cost as a base Mac Mini.

Even if you add the Mac Mini DVD burner, larger hard drive and extra RAM, you're still not saving much with the Shuttle. I'm not even going to mention the operating system and having to set it all up...

Please don't counter with a el cheapo price quote from some other scum dealer either, just Newegg... If you counter, make sure it has the same features also...

Or buy the Mac Mini, with the OS installed, plug it in, and have it up and running.

The mini has a DVI output for an HDTV monitor and Firewire for either DV or cable box (MPEG-TS) input. I personally think the Mini price is great for what you get. Especially if you want it in your living room next to your HDTV as a Media Center...

I dont get the Mac Mini thing. You can already easily get a Micro ATX case that is just as small, for example, this Inwin case. Thats like $50. Then you can build out a great system with more RAM, more HD space, faster CPU for less than $499.

Its just as small, cool, and quiet. So whats the big whoop?

I dont get the Mac Mini thing. You can already easily get a Micro ATX case that is just as small, for example, this Inwin case. Thats like $50. Then you can build out a great system with more RAM, more HD space, faster CPU for less than $499.

Its just as small, cool, and quiet. So whats the big whoop?

mini is offering 4x superdrive as a built to order option.
i got this drive lite-on 16x dvd+r drive from newegg. used http://www.patchburn.de/ to make it compatible with "i-apps"... installed it into my aging G4, so far it's working with itunes and iphoto(imove and idvd not tested yet), no complaints.

But think of all the time you would save on rendering if you upgraded to a larger box P4/A64/G5 for not gaming, not rendering this is a good system, but for rendering get a real workstation type PC go for an A64 P4, or if you have the bling bling definitly a G5. But you can still put together a more powerful (not as stylish or easy to use) x86 system for the same price. If you plan on making video a 40GB hard drive will fill up quick. For ma, and pop a G4 is a great system, but for a power user like you especially one whose using for rendering I would suggest a more powerful system with more RAM, a faster processor, and a larger hard drive.

Here's a system, that speaking strictly only in terms of performance this would be a way better system for you:
http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1230141

2x the RAM,
2x the Hard Drive Space
Slightly better processor
Better DVD drive (Dual Layer)
WAY better video card. The 9550 is the same thing as a 9600 just clocked lower, overclock it a tad and you'll be playing Far Cry, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, all at reasonable resolutions, and very playable frame rates

And still just under $500

Of course it's not as pretty and FRIGGAN HUGE compared to the sexy and sleek mini. Not to mention the ugly XP UI. But over time it will shave days off of your rendering time.

Do yourself a favor, and get a true workstation for rendering.

-manno

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?desc ription=55-102-169&depa=0

OK, so it's $25 more. But it has a screen, an FM tuner, and a voice recorder.

It syncs pretty nicely with Windows Media Player 10.

The Top 5 DVDs in my collection are:

1. Ritek
2. Memorex
3. Imation
4. Taiyo Yuden
5. Verbatim

Of course, you'll need a good Sharpie or equivelent and a copy of DVD Shrink

BTW: Special 100 pack of DVD-R's at newegg... See, both funny and informative.

Newegg

8anet, also known as AcmeMicro

Racks And Stands

Sybercom

TechOnWeb

Amazon (I buy a lot through Amazon because I get a referal kickback for links from my website which is nice)

AccuPC

There are a lot more I'm sure but I can't think of all of them off the top of my head. Oh, I have bought from Monarch Computers also. There are some companies I won't buy from eve again. The main one that comes to mind is Computer Giants. Those folks tried to scam me once on a Maxtor hard drive that went DOA in the first couple of days of testing. Like all the people posting complaints about them on ResellerRatings they tried to con me into paying return shipping to send the DOA drive back. They also said I'd have to pay one of their people to test the drive and confirm it was DOA. Otherwise I'd have to pay to have it sent back to me. Most people find that the drives are OEM or used and that they are selling them as new retail. Yeah, they're a bunch of asshats. That's why merchant review sites are so essential to buying on the Internet. You can't walk into an Internet store, get in a manager's face, and demand your money back for the lemon they sold you when you buy something online. You have to rely on other people's experiences to weed out the crooks. Fortunately for me Maxtor was exceptionally nice about the whole thing and took care of replacing out DOA drive with a brand new replacement. Nice folks @ Maxtor.

Anyhow, I don't always buy the lowest price on Pricewatch and Froogle. I'll buy from a company I know it's going to try and screw me even if I have to pay a little more. I always check eBay before placing an order too. Take for example one of my recent eBay purchases. I priced rack-mount patch cable organizer (wire routing gear) on Froogle. I found a decent model by APC for $25/each. I just happened to search ebay before buying and low and hehold I found Leviton cable organizers for $4.99/each. Each! Ha! Needless to say I bought 4 instead of 1. They are also built extremely well. Always check eBay before buying something online. You may find it for half the price (or less!).

Compromise, roll-your-own, but buy from a specific vendor, preferably one where you can get all of your parts at the same place (with the possible exception of disks, since it seems the cheapest disk vendors don't sell much else). Even if you don't get the best price on every component, you should still be getting systems for less than half of the price for identical systems from IBM, HP, Dell, or (not exactly identical) Apple.

The other major thing to consider, is that different architectures handle I/O better than others. For I/O-bound apps, stick with Opteron systems, and don't skimp on the motherboards. Apple's XServes would probably be the next best, and Intel-based servers at the bottom. AMD's architecture simply can't be beat for I/O, as you will have essentially separate busses for memory and a few I/O busses (unless some are used to link to another CPU).

I've had good luck with 8aNet for servers, NewEgg for networking components, and basically just whichever reputable name has the best price on pricewatch for disks.

newegg is always my first choice for anything I buy. If newegg is out of stock on something, mwave is the second place I go.

Exclusively from Newegg. They are unmatched.

Of course, the submitter's reference to the Celeron was a joke (Turion = Asparagus, Celeron = Celery). I mostly agree that AMD has kicked Intel's arse in budget CPUs in the past. But I don't think AMD currently beats Intel in every budget segment.

Consider Anandtech's conclusion from a Sempron vs. Celeron test they did last July

Also consider current pricing (from Newegg) for the Sempron and the Celeron D. In Anandtech's benchmark results, the Socket 754-based Sempron 3100+ did beat the Socket 478-based Celeron D 335 in most of the bechmarks that count. However, the Sempron 3100+ costs $123/$108 (retail/OEM) while the Celeron D 335 costs $109/$89. The benchmarks also showed that the Socket A-based Sempron 2800+ ($109/$99) was about even with the Celeron D 335, but would you choose an aging Socket A platform (PCI, AGP, IDE, 333MHz FSB) over a modern platform (PCI Express, SATA, 533/800MHz FSB) that you can get with the Celeron D?

Of course, we're talking about building our own desktops, which is very different from what the big-name computer makers offer. Us home builders would choose nForce or 915 chipsets for Sempron and Celeron D CPUs. HP and Dell are more likely to offer VIA/SiS/ALi chipsets for Semprons and 865/845 chipsets for Celeron D. Ugh.

If I was building a budget desktop, I would choose a Socket 775-based Celeron D over a Socket A or Socket 754-based Sempron. I value the whole platform just as much (if not more) than the CPU itself. If AMD made a Socket 939-based Sempron, I'd reconsider.

I'll be interested to see how this unfortunately named "Turion" chip compares to the PentiumM.

Back to the article's topic (notebook CPUs), it looks like AMD will not have an answer to Intel's Celeron M. The Celeron M is based on the Pentium M core and performs almost equivalently clock-for-clock in Tom's Hardware benchmarks. Also note that Intel's Sonoma platform (533MHz bus, PCI Express, DDR2, GMA900 graphics, HD Audio) is about to be lauched.

Of course, the submitter's reference to the Celeron was a joke (Turion = Asparagus, Celeron = Celery). I mostly agree that AMD has kicked Intel's arse in budget CPUs in the past. But I don't think AMD currently beats Intel in every budget segment.

Consider Anandtech's conclusion from a Sempron vs. Celeron test they did last July

Also consider current pricing (from Newegg) for the Sempron and the Celeron D. In Anandtech's benchmark results, the Socket 754-based Sempron 3100+ did beat the Socket 478-based Celeron D 335 in most of the bechmarks that count. However, the Sempron 3100+ costs $123/$108 (retail/OEM) while the Celeron D 335 costs $109/$89. The benchmarks also showed that the Socket A-based Sempron 2800+ ($109/$99) was about even with the Celeron D 335, but would you choose an aging Socket A platform (PCI, AGP, IDE, 333MHz FSB) over a modern platform (PCI Express, SATA, 533/800MHz FSB) that you can get with the Celeron D?

Of course, we're talking about building our own desktops, which is very different from what the big-name computer makers offer. Us home builders would choose nForce or 915 chipsets for Sempron and Celeron D CPUs. HP and Dell are more likely to offer VIA/SiS/ALi chipsets for Semprons and 865/845 chipsets for Celeron D. Ugh.

If I was building a budget desktop, I would choose a Socket 775-based Celeron D over a Socket A or Socket 754-based Sempron. I value the whole platform just as much (if not more) than the CPU itself. If AMD made a Socket 939-based Sempron, I'd reconsider.

I'll be interested to see how this unfortunately named "Turion" chip compares to the PentiumM.

Back to the article's topic (notebook CPUs), it looks like AMD will not have an answer to Intel's Celeron M. The Celeron M is based on the Pentium M core and performs almost equivalently clock-for-clock in Tom's Hardware benchmarks. Also note that Intel's Sonoma platform (533MHz bus, PCI Express, DDR2, GMA900 graphics, HD Audio) is about to be lauched.

Thanks for the completely useless link.

Let's try a link that works.

5. ATI's Radeon X800 series of video cards

Vaporware?... Um, Hello??

Newegg has 1 out of 20 manufactures in stock... can you /really/ call that vaporware??

In picture quality and price, the CRT wins hands down, but they only go up to about 36" in size. Any bigger and you'll be looking at a rear projection set which, sure enough, also uses CRTs, but the CRT's disadvantages of size, weight and power consumption are multiplied even more in a projection set. If you want a 40" big screen and don't want a huge projection set, $2000 for a plasma is pretty reasonable, but if you're a big time couch potato who'll leave it on a lot of hours, it'll fade noticably in a few years. $2000 for what's essentially a throwaway TV is a little steep for me, but hey, it's not my money. Also remember the plasma screens are power hogs just like CRTs. If I were buying now, I'd say the 32" HDTV CRTs are at the sweet spot in price, under $900. Or I'd get a 20" computer LCD and add a tuner box.

Dead Pixels Policy: Replacement or Refund for 8 or more DEAD PIXELS ONLY!

Now I admit, maybe they haven't gotten "the memo" yet.

"Centrino" may be a marketing strategy but the Pentium M processor kicks ass. Specs show a 2MB cache (Dothan variety), 21 W power req. and notebooks with it last atleast 5 hrs on a single battery. I don't think AMD has anything to top that in the same price range.

On the matter of performance, I'd love to find a real comparison of XP-M vs. Pentium-M processors under identical conditions. The closest I can find is an early benchmark comparing the XP-M 1700+ to a Dothan 2.0 GHz. The performance is close enough to chalk up to clock speed. I can't even remotely find a battery life comparison, I'd bet Intel wins that one. For price, you're right, the Athlon XP-M 3000+ at $141 and the Mobile Athlon 64 3400+ aren't in the same class as the Pentium M 755 for $435. Especially since either one of those processors trounces the Pentium in raw power.

The cache size argument is a non-starter - it's only one input that determines system performance, the real comparison. It's like touting the Athlon's larger L1 cache - big deal. The power requirements and battery life are closely related, and I think Intel does win that one, but by how much, and is that worth an extra $300 to Joe Consumer, especially at a massive performance dropoff?

"Centrino" may be a marketing strategy but the Pentium M processor kicks ass. Specs show a 2MB cache (Dothan variety), 21 W power req. and notebooks with it last atleast 5 hrs on a single battery. I don't think AMD has anything to top that in the same price range.

On the matter of performance, I'd love to find a real comparison of XP-M vs. Pentium-M processors under identical conditions. The closest I can find is an early benchmark comparing the XP-M 1700+ to a Dothan 2.0 GHz. The performance is close enough to chalk up to clock speed. I can't even remotely find a battery life comparison, I'd bet Intel wins that one. For price, you're right, the Athlon XP-M 3000+ at $141 and the Mobile Athlon 64 3400+ aren't in the same class as the Pentium M 755 for $435. Especially since either one of those processors trounces the Pentium in raw power.

The cache size argument is a non-starter - it's only one input that determines system performance, the real comparison. It's like touting the Athlon's larger L1 cache - big deal. The power requirements and battery life are closely related, and I think Intel does win that one, but by how much, and is that worth an extra $300 to Joe Consumer, especially at a massive performance dropoff?

"Centrino" may be a marketing strategy but the Pentium M processor kicks ass. Specs show a 2MB cache (Dothan variety), 21 W power req. and notebooks with it last atleast 5 hrs on a single battery. I don't think AMD has anything to top that in the same price range.

On the matter of performance, I'd love to find a real comparison of XP-M vs. Pentium-M processors under identical conditions. The closest I can find is an early benchmark comparing the XP-M 1700+ to a Dothan 2.0 GHz. The performance is close enough to chalk up to clock speed. I can't even remotely find a battery life comparison, I'd bet Intel wins that one. For price, you're right, the Athlon XP-M 3000+ at $141 and the Mobile Athlon 64 3400+ aren't in the same class as the Pentium M 755 for $435. Especially since either one of those processors trounces the Pentium in raw power.

The cache size argument is a non-starter - it's only one input that determines system performance, the real comparison. It's like touting the Athlon's larger L1 cache - big deal. The power requirements and battery life are closely related, and I think Intel does win that one, but by how much, and is that worth an extra $300 to Joe Consumer, especially at a massive performance dropoff?

I don't think so. What I find funny is they competely downplay the fact that it includes a remote. Looking at the pictures you'd guess that you have to touch your case just to play a media file which, to me, is equivalent to walking up to your DVD player to press "play", and who wants to do that? But "hidden" deep in the text it says "This deluxe version of S-presso features a touch-control color display panel as well as a TV tuner, remote control, and multimedia center software." Now don't you think they could have showen a picture of someone using the remote, or at least a picture of the remote somewhere?

It'd also be cool if the remote somehow attached to it's own little port in the case because something that size with a giant handle is designed to be moved around and it'd sure be nice to snap the remote onto it without having to remember to bring the remote.

FYI Newegg has the S1-P112 (same case except touchscreen, remote & software) for $215. This site claims to have the one discussed here, the S1-P111, for $250.

I got mine from http://www.newegg.com/ for around $150 when you get shipping and tax involved, and they work good.

no display of the ID but a quick newegg.com search and I found the Hawking - HWL1

First you where looking for good quality peripharals... You seem to have the small form factor case down. I am a littel leary of the Nanode, since the specs are a little vague and it runs on a VIA cpu.

Today most computer parts are no longer beige, it seems that build quality has gone down. Mitsuko which is generally considred low end becuase of the price, but they make a good keyboard available in a variety of colors, and for mice Alienware has all the microsoft high end mice in custom colors. You pay a little bit for it but they match the mitsuko keyboards in color.

As for cases most cases look like cheap plastic junk now. I've been using a server size chenming that is similar to the original alienware. Not flashy not cheap looking, but has the size I need to run all my drives, as well as clean lines.

Another option is just to check out www.newegg.com and see what is offered they have a large selection, with pictures of every item, as well as a good search engine, and search engine interface.

First you where looking for good quality peripharals... You seem to have the small form factor case down. I am a littel leary of the Nanode, since the specs are a little vague and it runs on a VIA cpu.

Today most computer parts are no longer beige, it seems that build quality has gone down. Mitsuko which is generally considred low end becuase of the price, but they make a good keyboard available in a variety of colors, and for mice Alienware has all the microsoft high end mice in custom colors. You pay a little bit for it but they match the mitsuko keyboards in color.

As for cases most cases look like cheap plastic junk now. I've been using a server size chenming that is similar to the original alienware. Not flashy not cheap looking, but has the size I need to run all my drives, as well as clean lines.

Another option is just to check out www.newegg.com and see what is offered they have a large selection, with pictures of every item, as well as a good search engine, and search engine interface.

For cases, have a look at the Antec Sonata. A simple stylish design in smart piano black. Try a search at various online retailers that let buyer's post reviews and you'll find the case to be well-rated. The Nexus Breeze is also a nice design.

this is expensive but cool, even more functional than a g5 case and it comes in black! newegg link

...who need hard drive space. Hard drives are VERY cheap nowadays! My god. How many movies did this guy have?!

"the new development would make nonvolatile memory chips with a capacity of 32 Gigabit possible within a few years. That is eight times the capacity of what is currently available in the market."
Did CIOL mean Gigabyte? 32/8=4 Gbytes, 4GB cards have been on the market for a while.

Newegg has a 5 pack of dual layer DVD+R for $28 after mail-in rebate. Plus, you get a free DVD+R. That price seems a bit high to me, but give it a few months and they prices will come down as the technology becomes more widespread. It always does.

Newegg has a 5 pack of dual layer DVD+R for $28 after mail-in rebate. Plus, you get a free DVD+R. That price seems a bit high to me, but give it a few months and they prices will come down as the technology becomes more widespread. It always does.

Yep, it's huge - like 5 gigs compared to 256 megs.

You mean 5 GB compared to 1 GB . There are 2 GB SD cards coming out now too.

Stripped down? I use XP Home on my laptop and develop software for a living. The only thing you cannot do on Home that you can on Pro is localhosting of web-apps. I see no need since I have development servers to host them on (plus if my laptop gets stolen I don't have to worry about what HIPAA related data might have been on it).

OEM is the same as buying it retail from Best Buy. No support. Additional hardware can be something as cheap as a $1.49 ATA Cable

If you need support you certainly shouldn't be installing an OS yourself. Xandros offers 60 Days for the Deluxe version and 30 Days for the Standard version. This support is INSTALL SUPPORT ONLY. Microsoft offers the same OEM or Retail (you pay).

My comparison was primarily on cost. How the hell can you simply program a few interfaces for things like VPN take 10's of thousands of hours of someone elses work and charge the same as the Evil Empire? It doesn't make sense to me.

BTW Ubuntu is comparable and it's free. Like Fedora... and many more

You can get Windows XP Home for $92.25

I'd be willing to pay around $30 for an OS that 99% of it they didn't develop but $89.95 is a joke.

Just got it from Newegg.com for only $399.

Newegg. $163.74. $194 with shipping across country and you can install Linux. Upgradable, repairable, and customizable. Faster and a bigger HDD.
Case
40 Gig HDD
128mb DDR
Motherboard
1.33 ghz
So, how come $185(pre-ship) is as cheap as a manufacturer can churn these things out?

Newegg. $163.74. $194 with shipping across country and you can install Linux. Upgradable, repairable, and customizable. Faster and a bigger HDD.
Case
40 Gig HDD
128mb DDR
Motherboard
1.33 ghz
So, how come $185(pre-ship) is as cheap as a manufacturer can churn these things out?

Newegg. $163.74. $194 with shipping across country and you can install Linux. Upgradable, repairable, and customizable. Faster and a bigger HDD.
Case
40 Gig HDD
128mb DDR
Motherboard
1.33 ghz
So, how come $185(pre-ship) is as cheap as a manufacturer can churn these things out?

Newegg. $163.74. $194 with shipping across country and you can install Linux. Upgradable, repairable, and customizable. Faster and a bigger HDD.
Case
40 Gig HDD
128mb DDR
Motherboard
1.33 ghz
So, how come $185(pre-ship) is as cheap as a manufacturer can churn these things out?

Newegg. $163.74. $194 with shipping across country and you can install Linux. Upgradable, repairable, and customizable. Faster and a bigger HDD.
Case
40 Gig HDD
128mb DDR
Motherboard
1.33 ghz
So, how come $185(pre-ship) is as cheap as a manufacturer can churn these things out?

#1) Buy a real slide scanner. Nothing beats true optical 4000 dpi. Here are cheaper ones.

#2) Might want to get a Mac. Windows isn't great on photos, although it's my current platform. I'm looking into the Mac myself....

Shuttle makes (as in quality reliable parts) mini barebone systems. I have one and it's small enough for me to keep on the desk, away from my terrible two's son (that's if he doesn't climb on top of the desk :). Do a search on Newegg.com for "barebone" and you'll find three manufacturers selling mini systems (don't be confused though, mini mean mini size, but the features are jam packed) -- Soltek, Asus, and Shuttle. Shuttle historically is the king of mini(-itx) systems, but knowing the quality of Asus, you might want to check them out. Also, the Asus systems look awesome.

Not that rare, just VERY expensive. Newegg links:

Mobos:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?desc ription=13-137-057&depa=0 (AOpen i855GMEm-LFS - $269, in stock)
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?desc ription=13-136-150&depa=0 (DFI 855GME-MGF - $270, in stock)

CPUs:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=p roperty&catalog=343&propertycodevalue=5170,%200,%2 00,%200,%200,%200,%200,%200&minprice=&maxprice=&mf rcode=0&DEPA=1&InnerCata=343
Pentium M 725 (1.6), 735 (1.7), 745 (1.8), 755 (2.0), and all at (slightly over) Intel list. They DON'T have the 715 (OCs just as well as the 725-745 on the DFI board) or the 765 (OCs to 2.8GHz).

Still, you can get a P-M desktop, and easily. It just costs a lot :-(

Not that rare, just VERY expensive. Newegg links:

Mobos:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?desc ription=13-137-057&depa=0 (AOpen i855GMEm-LFS - $269, in stock)
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?desc ription=13-136-150&depa=0 (DFI 855GME-MGF - $270, in stock)

CPUs:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=p roperty&catalog=343&propertycodevalue=5170,%200,%2 00,%200,%200,%200,%200,%200&minprice=&maxprice=&mf rcode=0&DEPA=1&InnerCata=343
Pentium M 725 (1.6), 735 (1.7), 745 (1.8), 755 (2.0), and all at (slightly over) Intel list. They DON'T have the 715 (OCs just as well as the 725-745 on the DFI board) or the 765 (OCs to 2.8GHz).

Still, you can get a P-M desktop, and easily. It just costs a lot :-(