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One net to free them all. One net behind them. One net secures them all. And on the server, finds them.

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GNOME again is usless stuff and whoever uses it in the business can't make serious business.

Wrong. Novell's Ximian Desktop is completely GNOME-based. And you're telling me that can't make money for a huge company like Novell? ...

It's been pretty clear for a while now that Novell wants to be a part of open source success. They announced their big enterprise server package last week (see http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/10/p r04068.html), which is driving continual SuSE upgrades and taking advantage of a bunch of Open Source work. They are making SuSE rock really hard, and it has what is so far my favorite package management tools. And anyway now they are 10 months ahead of schedule with their Enterprise stuff, thanks in part to the magic of open source.

Of course, none of this is helping to make the Netware client less of a beast on Windows.

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Novell's running a class act here and they deserve our support so if you're in a position to select a distro for your company, take another look at Novell's offerings. If you download an Enterprise eval version 9, you get 30 days free installation support for it. You can't beat that.

NOVELL settled on KDE look here and here.

NOVELL settled on KDE look here and here.

>In any case, kudos to MySQL for taking the first step with Wix and to Microsoft for trying something they have otherwise sworn against.

"Sworn against"? Hardly. If somebody ever figures out a way to make significant money off of FOSS, it's pretty safe to say MS will be all over it. (No, IBM doesn't count, they don't directly make much, if anything, from their FOSS efforts.)

>That would be a nice way of showing MS just what open source can offer, something which everyone else seems to have figured out already.

Offer what? A buyout by Novell? An opportunity to beg for handouts? Not too attractive, IMHO. ;)

What any business, including "open source friendly" companies, would say is: Show Me The Money!

And I just got the Linux Technical Resource kit, based on SuSE 9.1 :P

Although I havent had a chance to really play with it and they aren't accepting orders anymore, it's really an interesting display of what Novell has to bring to the table as far as SuSE and their other products are concerned :)

Well, there's always this weekend if I don't suddenly get a life ;)

Evolution Connector can at least replace Outlook.

what other good, solid business apps are available for Linux?

Abiword, Gnumeric, and Evolution are also cited a lot, these are GNOME packages. Then there is KOffice, part of KDE, which few seem to use or talk about, but which does seem solid and extensive.

Here you go. It even runs on Linux!

It appears that Evolution 2.0 adds some aupport for Novell's mail system, GroupWise.

There's an article in this month's Novell Connection Magazine on how to set it up, complete with a bunch of screen shots.

Novell added support to run the GroupWise backend on Linux recently (late last year or early this year, I can't remember). In fact, most of the GroupWise servers this year at Brainshare were running Linux instead of NetWare!

- Bunny

It appears that Evolution 2.0 adds some aupport for Novell's mail system, GroupWise.

There's an article in this month's Novell Connection Magazine on how to set it up, complete with a bunch of screen shots.

Novell added support to run the GroupWise backend on Linux recently (late last year or early this year, I can't remember). In fact, most of the GroupWise servers this year at Brainshare were running Linux instead of NetWare!

- Bunny

ZenWorks For Desktops for example can generate system images for all the "common" apps and also let you make installation objects. You can assign objects to individuals or individual computers. When you re-image a system, the system will get the "common" image assigned to it and have all the "extra" applications automatically layered over top of it.

I'm a geek too, and I'm looking for long life. Last summer I finally upgraded my dual PII400 desktop (the MB died) to an Athlon XP2500. Runs Mepis Linux. My file server is still a P233mmx with 512mb and 4 drives in mirrored pairs. It runs Novell NetWare 4.12 and is stable as a rock. The firewall/webserver? An old Compaq P90 that in which upgraded the HD to 8GB. It runs Gentoo. Really.

The IBM AT (8mhz, 256MB) has finally been relegated to the attic - the CGA monitor died.

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When marketing Linux on the desktop we have to put into the center the gigantic set of free and useful applications that people can get on a Linux PC, as opposed to the blank slate that a Windows XP (without Office) is. We have word processors, spreadsheets, presentation programs, sound editors, drawing/painting/image editing programs, cool web browsers, download managers, text editors, the best email clients, free games (some of them nice), RSS aggregators, heck, clients for any Internet service you can think of. Spyware is unheard of, all of this is free and installed if you want it.

I hope that with Ubuntu and Userlinux we'll see serious attempts to build user-ready Linux desktop computers with cool extra services like remote support via SSH and auto-update via apt-get, and with a lower price thanks to the lack of a Windows tax.

Yeah its right . It's also Open Source! Go Novell!

you mean this link? http://www.novell.com/community/linux/order.php i got my set a few months ago.

Although there is a GroupWise client for Linux, it is not the exact same client as the one on Windows.

The cross-platform client doesn't support the Document Management features of GroupWise. They say they're working on it though.

Some NNLS components (iPrint for instance) and other Linux products of Novell have these same issues. Only fully functional on Windows at this moment.

I can't wait for the changelog of the next version of NNLS etc, to see if (some of) these issues are fixed.

Ahh kinda like ZenWorks, or the NAL. But IMHO, that's still too much work. There's no good reason you can't just copy files from your server to the local machine to do an upgrade, with a flag file as the indicator.

There are other minor problems (such as placement of Firefox cache in Application Data instead of Local Settings\Application Data, causing the entire cache to be synchronized with the domain server on logon and logoff), so if they aren't already, Firefox developers should be sure to test on machines with multiple user profiles with reduced privileges. These things, although inconsequential to regular users at home, are quite important for acceptance in corporate Windows networks.

Did you look in the profile for your directory?
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7/install ation.html#files

God I hate Windows networks. I used to think maybe it was just me, having only used Netware,OS/2, Unix. But nope, now I have first hand experience that Windows is a PITA. ;)

Ahh kinda like ZenWorks, or the NAL. But IMHO, that's still too much work. There's no good reason you can't just copy files from your server to the local machine to do an upgrade, with a flag file as the indicator.

There are other minor problems (such as placement of Firefox cache in Application Data instead of Local Settings\Application Data, causing the entire cache to be synchronized with the domain server on logon and logoff), so if they aren't already, Firefox developers should be sure to test on machines with multiple user profiles with reduced privileges. These things, although inconsequential to regular users at home, are quite important for acceptance in corporate Windows networks.

Did you look in the profile for your directory?
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7/install ation.html#files

God I hate Windows networks. I used to think maybe it was just me, having only used Netware,OS/2, Unix. But nope, now I have first hand experience that Windows is a PITA. ;)

If you look around some, you'll see that people are already doing exactly what you are concerned about. See this Zenworks example

--Asa

IE is no match for Firefox, but IMHO (and as much as I love it) Thunderbird still needs to catch up to Outlook. Outlook 2003 just has more features and a better interface. Major things I'm waiting on before switching to Thunderbird at work are integration with SynCE and the Novell Connector.

You might be able to convince them based on the licensing and service costs. Try making it a business case, exposing how much would it cost to have inhouse support for Debian vs Novell support for Suse. Be realistic, don't be quick at dismissing the costs of inhouse support for Debian. If you can, get some of the folks at IBM to back the feasability of the case, telling that, though unsupported, they dont forsee any trouble.

Depending on how critical the production end of your environment, you might be able to pull it off. Always bear in mind if for any reason the tested scripts will not run on the production end, the excrement will be flying your way. This decision might come to haunt you later if you keep your current employer.

CDEX
IRFanView
Winamp
iTunes
FireFox w/AdBlock and various other extensions
Some music
Assorted pictures
Spybot & AdAware
XP SP2
DefilerPak
Novell VPN client
Citrix client
Farbrausch demos
PuTTY
and the all-important XEvil

Evolution Connector for Microsoft Exchange Server 2000/2003 (formerly Ximian Connector)

Novell (Suse Linux) India (Including other counties like Hong Kong and Australia), recently announces latest strategic and technical information seminar on Open Source and Linux technologies for enterprise computing.IBM also sponsors this seminar. What's more participants can win latest Linux based Motorola A760 mobile phone :)

Novell (Suse Linux) India (Including other counties like Hong Kong and Australia), recently announces latest strategic and technical information seminar on Open Source and Linux technologies for enterprise computing.IBM also sponsors this seminar. What's more participants can win latest Linux based Motorola A760 mobile phone :)

Firefox should be the "first" browser to full support this..
They are going nuts on it ..
see the Technology Preview

No such thing as a free lunch, baby.

You must be new here. =) I always wanted to say that.

Forbes is well known for spinning in favor of SCO. True, this article is not by Dan Lyons, but we should all be quite aware of Forbes' deep anti-Linux bias by now. When you see that Forbes is reporting on anything relating to SCO, think "cheerleader".

If Forbes considers SCO's response robust, Forbes conveniently ignores the fact that ATT clarified that it held no claim on derivative works, only on software developed by ATT. See echo.

Secondly, a robust defense is what happens in court, not in press releases, at least when the offense is occurring in court. To say that they have a robust response would be less misleading, but, in this context, a defense implies that they have defended themselves in court on this matter.

Until you actually visit FreeBSD.
Or visit Ximian
Or PERL.
Or PHP.

Why not bitch about WINE, Transmeta or any of the others that are just the corporate/official logo?

Getting Gtk# running on Windows can be a bitch.

So try this :)

Well, sometimes business looks positively scary from an open source perspective.

Maybe these perspectives can meet somewhere in the middle and learn how to make things more efficient and better for everyone, including the customers, employees and business owners.

Most open source advocates were customers, employees or businesses owners once upon a time. But now they are scary...

Are they scary because they have long hair and a beard? Or are they scary because its hard to find RedHat's Linux distribution? Or are they scary because RedCarpet no longer exists? Or are they scary because successful business models never produce bad software.

Or maybe its a good thing open source doesn't come with beef.

One really odd thing I noticed in the footnotes:

Footnote 2: It also has come to our attention that P2P file-sharing technology is being used as a means of transmitting computer viruses and worms because conventional virus protection programs, such as those marketed by Novell, do not scan files exchanged via such technology. If such is the case, then it would be incumbent upon your companies to warn your users of this risk.

Since when did Novell sell anti-virus products? I don't see any on their website. They do make a firewall called BorderManager (which arguably could be used to block a number of P2P services) but it's not an antivirus program.

I could be wrong, but even if Novell does make some AV program nobody's heard of, it's not a very good example, since nobody uses it. More likely they meant Norton, but it's hard to keep straight all those software vendors who have names starting with N.

Between that and the comments on your computer sharing files when it's off, one wonders why they can't find one person with a high-school level of technology expertise who can act as a consultant for the AG's. Probably because they can't find someone who knows anything about technology and is willing to bash P2P.

Sure,

Novell's Correspondence with SCO shows that Novell takes the position that Amendment 2 to their agreement with SCO only transfers UNIX copyrights that SCO requires in order to execute their licensing deals, and Novell says, none are required, so none are transferred. At the very least, Novell argues that SCO has to make a showing that such transfers are required, which they haven't done. Also, as a separate issue, Novell retained the right to basically veto SCO, which they have consistently done when it comes to IBM licensing issues.

Read the letters of June 9 and 12, 2003.
August 4, 2003
December 23, 2003
February 11, 2004

Sure,

Novell's Correspondence with SCO shows that Novell takes the position that Amendment 2 to their agreement with SCO only transfers UNIX copyrights that SCO requires in order to execute their licensing deals, and Novell says, none are required, so none are transferred. At the very least, Novell argues that SCO has to make a showing that such transfers are required, which they haven't done. Also, as a separate issue, Novell retained the right to basically veto SCO, which they have consistently done when it comes to IBM licensing issues.

Read the letters of June 9 and 12, 2003.
August 4, 2003
December 23, 2003
February 11, 2004

Sure,

Novell's Correspondence with SCO shows that Novell takes the position that Amendment 2 to their agreement with SCO only transfers UNIX copyrights that SCO requires in order to execute their licensing deals, and Novell says, none are required, so none are transferred. At the very least, Novell argues that SCO has to make a showing that such transfers are required, which they haven't done. Also, as a separate issue, Novell retained the right to basically veto SCO, which they have consistently done when it comes to IBM licensing issues.

Read the letters of June 9 and 12, 2003.
August 4, 2003
December 23, 2003
February 11, 2004

Sure,

Novell's Correspondence with SCO shows that Novell takes the position that Amendment 2 to their agreement with SCO only transfers UNIX copyrights that SCO requires in order to execute their licensing deals, and Novell says, none are required, so none are transferred. At the very least, Novell argues that SCO has to make a showing that such transfers are required, which they haven't done. Also, as a separate issue, Novell retained the right to basically veto SCO, which they have consistently done when it comes to IBM licensing issues.

Read the letters of June 9 and 12, 2003.
August 4, 2003
December 23, 2003
February 11, 2004

Sure,

Novell's Correspondence with SCO shows that Novell takes the position that Amendment 2 to their agreement with SCO only transfers UNIX copyrights that SCO requires in order to execute their licensing deals, and Novell says, none are required, so none are transferred. At the very least, Novell argues that SCO has to make a showing that such transfers are required, which they haven't done. Also, as a separate issue, Novell retained the right to basically veto SCO, which they have consistently done when it comes to IBM licensing issues.

Read the letters of June 9 and 12, 2003.
August 4, 2003
December 23, 2003
February 11, 2004

Sure,

Novell's Correspondence with SCO shows that Novell takes the position that Amendment 2 to their agreement with SCO only transfers UNIX copyrights that SCO requires in order to execute their licensing deals, and Novell says, none are required, so none are transferred. At the very least, Novell argues that SCO has to make a showing that such transfers are required, which they haven't done. Also, as a separate issue, Novell retained the right to basically veto SCO, which they have consistently done when it comes to IBM licensing issues.

Read the letters of June 9 and 12, 2003.
August 4, 2003
December 23, 2003
February 11, 2004

Hmm... supported by said zealots, like....

Like IBM ?
Like HP ?
Like Oracle ?
Like Novell ?

And primarily only used by zealots, like....

Like Amazon?
Like Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, and E*Trade?
Like Autozone and DaimlerChrysler?
Like the 60% of all websites, which are powered by open source software? (admittedly, some Apache servers run on commercial unix, freebsd, and some even run on windows).

Yep... a bunch of slashdot obsessed zealots, who only need to....

So I say, it's time to wake up and realize that what this guy is describing is accurate.

Yes, Daniel Lyons is mostly likely accurate in reporting that FACT that SCO claims to have discovered new evidence.

Wether Danial's OPINION, characterizing it as a "smoking gun", turns out to be an accurate remains to be seen. So far, Daniel Lyons, Laura Didio and Rob Enderle have "cried wolf" many times and not once has a so-called "smoking gun" turned out to be of any consequence. Maybe, just maybe, it will turn out to be important. Until then, perhaps you should "wake up and realize" that Danial, Laura and Rob are themselves zealots who've published many alarmist articles about the merits of SCO's case.

Even if SCO finally has found some evidence to support their case... which is a pretty big "if" considering the history of their performance to date, the impact on Linux of a contractual obligation regarding code released in AIX, but not in Linux, remains to be seen.

In the meantime, zealots here on slashdot, on groklaw, and at Forbes, Yankee group and Rob's one-man-show, the Enderle Group will make their predictions.

Yes. Its called Groupwise (http://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/).

Check out this free 30-day evaluation of SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 complete with 30 days of free support & maintenance.(SLES 9 Evaluation Details)

Which is, according to the industry rags, NDS, now called eDirectory. I know many people will point out that LDAP could almost certainly handle the job and is basically the de facto standard, but NDS has had more time to mature and is more robust. Either one can run completely on Linux (or even Solaris or NT/2Kx if you enjoy paying needless license fees). Are you stuck using the legacy windows platform or can you make a clean break and migrate to something better?

Nitpick:

Novell not traditionally a Unix vendor?

They definitely were in the past ... and they definitely still have plenty of Unix expertise. So -traditionally- (ie, pre '95) they were a Unix vendor. Recently no, but traditions include the past.

I haven't look at Novell in quite a while and this morning I noticed that they have a free download of SUSE "desktop Linux" available on their site. So, I thought I'd grab a copy since it says "No registration or key is required". The actual download page, however, says:

"Registration is required for the free download of SUSE LINUX 9.1 Personal. You will also be asked to complete a very brief survey."

No thanks, Novell. I think I'll grab my copy here.