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Re: Install takes only 5-10 Minutes even on FTPIt's even beter practice to put things in the correct place, like keeping all static binaries in
/sbin.On OpenBSD, the correct place to put a statically compiled shell is in
/bin. So in fact, the grand parent poster did the correct thing by putting bsd into /bin.A quick look at man hier combined with "which sh" will show you this.
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Re:New Years Eve
And as we all know, Chix Dig OpenBSD.
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As A Linux and Mac Zealot I Can Safely Say...
... OpenBSD is the One True Religion.
Although NOBODY has ever "gotten" my OpenBSD Blowfish T-Shirt. The joke is as undecipherable as the Blowfish algorithm itself. -
Re: Install takes only 5-10 Minutes even on FTPInstead of installing bash, I would recommend to use ksh from the base install. For most work, including command line editing, it behaves pretty much like bash.
Also there are reasons not to change the root shell, see the OpenBSD FAQ.
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Why I use OpenBSD
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Why I use OpenBSD
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Re:*BSD is dying
Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election.
You can read more about FreeBSD here
If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
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Re:*BSD be dying
Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election.
You can read more about FreeBSD here
If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
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Don't trash them if you don't have to.
If any VAXs admins are reading this and are preparing to send their machines to the landfill, why not check to see if your hardware is on OpenBSD's wanted hardware list? They actively maintain a native VAX port (and it's damn good geek karma!) -
Re:*BSD is dying
Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
You can read more about FreeBSD here
If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
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BSD Laptops w/Gorgeous Babes!
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Re:Epilogue
Mod INSIGHTFUL, not FUNNY. There's nothing funny about choosing OpenBSD for security; it's the BEST solution by far, and it's sheer arrogance to think that the other OSes mentioned here are anywhere close to a properly configured OpenBSD box. I still use (and love) Linux and MacOS X for what they excel at; but if I was building an Internet Banking site, I'd choose OpenBSD without blinking.
Security is what they DO; it's the reason they exist. If security is your Number One focus, choosing anything else is just wrong. -
hot girl update!
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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custom babes for BSD users!
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Re:Incoming or outgoing 25?
Email is not the way to transfer large files.
Please stop with this crap - No skating, no snowboards, no same sex marriage, no dildos in Texas, no P2P traffic, no streaming video, no iso's, no running servers, no viewing bad content.
Some people really get off on telling other people how to run their lives, their business and their methods of communication. Everybody is so quick to tell people how to move large files around, here's an idea - Shut Up!
It is the customers who pay for the damn bandwidth, they should be able to play smtp-based pong if that is what they want to.
Let me guess, you work for an ISP or are a self serving net admin and think that you "own" the badnwidth, right?
Get an underpowered 486, put OpenBSD and spamd on it and I'll bet you won't have your "bandwidth saturated" and your "CPU maxed". -
Re:Incoming or outgoing 25?
Email is not the way to transfer large files.
Please stop with this crap - No skating, no snowboards, no same sex marriage, no dildos in Texas, no P2P traffic, no streaming video, no iso's, no running servers, no viewing bad content.
Some people really get off on telling other people how to run their lives, their business and their methods of communication. Everybody is so quick to tell people how to move large files around, here's an idea - Shut Up!
It is the customers who pay for the damn bandwidth, they should be able to play smtp-based pong if that is what they want to.
Let me guess, you work for an ISP or are a self serving net admin and think that you "own" the badnwidth, right?
Get an underpowered 486, put OpenBSD and spamd on it and I'll bet you won't have your "bandwidth saturated" and your "CPU maxed". -
Re:Go back to basics?
The security woes of Linux??? Oh great sultan of OpenBSD, please do enlighten us. You must mean rock solid like the OpenBSD procfs exploit? Or is it rock solid like the OpenBSD ibcs2 exploit? Perhaps rock solid like the OpenBSD shmat exploit? Heck, here's a whole page of rock solids about your precious OpenBSD. Linux may not be perfect but don't delude yourself into thinking OpenBSD is either.
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Re:M$ adopting Linux features
Can I uninstall IE for example? (Please don't tell me about the "uncheck IE" box in add/remove components)
Absolutely. Find iexplore.exe and delete it. No more Internet Explorer. The only thing that remains are the HTML rendering libraries and other associated libraries that it requires at runtime. Can't delete those without breaking the system as there are components that rely on embedding IE's HTML rendering. But then again, the same thing is true of e.g., Konqueror. You can remove the konqueror executable but if you delete libkonqueror.so (or whatever it's called) you'll find that all those KDE apps that embed Konqueror are broken.
Well, here's one on SourceForge that I wrote a number of years ago and only recently have started working on again (there's no recent release at the moment, but soon): cRPL, which is the beginnings of a stack-based RPL programming language.
There's also linleech, which, again, I wrote many years ago and have ceased development on. There's no homepage for that project anymore, but a few years ago someone decided to pick the project up and include it in Debian and OpenBSD as a package:
Debian
OpenBSD
Work and whatnot have kept me from doing much work in the free software arena, but in another week or two I'll be making my first release of a Java-based remote execution tool (check the project page for a link), so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to this whole free software thing. Yes it's been a long time since I've published any free software but at least I've contributed instead of sitting on Slashdot and paying lip service.
You must be joking! You complain about the security holes of Red Hat Enterprise and enthusiastically embrace Microsoft software? That is very interesting! :-)
Who said I was enthusiastically embracing Microsoft? I was just making the point that free software has the same problems that closed source software has, thus rendering the original poster's joke to be, well, not a joke.
Right! And why haven't you installed the Superior Software to them as well?
Because I never said Microsoft's software is the superior software? I just find the desktop experience to be superior. You'll also noticed that I make no mention of those machines being desktop machines. They're server machines. You see, unlike clueless zealots such as yourself, I don't believe in an all-or-nothing philosophy. Whereas you make it very clear that the "truth" is that Linux is better than Microsoft bar none, I don't think so. It's better in some areas, and worse in others. -
Re:*BSD is dying
Good news, everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
You can read more about FreeBSD here
If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
Enjoy! -
Re:BSD is one dead bitch
Good news, everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
You can read more about FreeBSD here
If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, or NetBSD
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Re:Mail admin here, my solution was port 26
My first suggestion is to subscribe to the SPAM-L mailing list.
My next suggestion is to front-end Exchange with something stronger on security, especially if the machine running Exchange stores any confidential data (such as mail). For example, you can run a Postfix server on OpenBSD or Linux and configure it to accept mail for all your domains and pass them to Exchange. Put Exchange on a private IP address so it isn't reachable by the public. That will cover you between the times when exploits are revealed and you can get them installed. And this will let you build up some experience in this software, too.
And finally, help advise us on how better to get the word out to those mail admins that don't yet know. For example, what could we have done to help ensure you had become aware of these things a lot sooner? Is there some course you took that we should clue-in the teacher for? Is there some book you read that we should clue-in the author of?
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Re:forcing valid reverse domains on HELO would hel
It could be that 66.35.250.206 which is lists.sourceforge.net (which makes sense) is a firewall machine or load balancer that all the outgoing mail goes out through and that the name is different because if someone sends incoming connections it takes a different pathway, I am not sure. I think there are just too many different firewalling and load balancing methodologies for the reverse thing to ever work consistently.
If you want to try to get admins to pay more attention to overall configuration issues and screen out those who don't follow certain RFC rules then check out RFC Ignorant
I find that domains that refuse to create and respond to proper admin addresses are people who tend to fluant other rules and netiquette. The bogusmx list is especially telling because pure spam domains sometimes will list bogus MX records.
What about using the OpenBSD spamd with greylisting to greylist everything that isn't known to fight back, when it finds an actual spammer, spamd ties up the spammer's or zombies connections (by only return one character per second) without using alot of your resources. Spammers don't make alot of noise about this because they don't want to bring attention to the only thing that is really effective as far as giving them some trouble - other than that guy who fills up their product website forms with fake credit card info Unsolic Commando. If these two techniques caught on, it could put a serious crimp in spammers easy lives. -
I wanna hear Ceren's voice...
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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BSD pitches gorgeous geek girlie!
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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What a stupid question!
I know, there are no stupid questions but only stupid people, but... How to avoid viruses at Windows install time? By avoiding the Windows install time maybe? Seriously, asking "how to avoid viruses at Windows install time" is equally smart as asking "how to avoid viruses at anal sex without a condom time." Maybe consider some alternatives: Debian, EROS, KeyKOS or maybe even OpenBSD would be a good place to start instead of asking loaded questions.
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I want my future boss to be...
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Linux sues BSD for having a hotter mascot
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Interesting girl...
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Re:No SMP? Huh?You can view the CVS repository and decide for yourself.
Right now I think most of the kernel is under big lock. SMP is currenly on target for a stable release in OpenBSD 3.6 (Nov 1, 2004). I suspect that by 3.7 (May 1, 2005) big lock will have been pushed down into at least the major subsystems.
It may happen even before then, the Calgary hack-a-thon is comming up and SMP is a major focus. Mostly they are working on bug fixes but I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of SMP improvments come out of that.
Also, if you read the tech@ list archives you'll notice that they are asking people to test the bsd.mp kernel and report errors. They are also looking to borrow computers that have certain types of hardware problems that are causing software issues (so that SMP will be supported in them).
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Re:No SMP? Huh?I'm pretty sure, that Linux developers are numerous enough to aim for all three goals: reliability, safety and efficiency.
While I like Linux and use it in some situations, I can tell you for sure that most distributions are far from competing with OpenBSD in terms of safety. You are right in saying that OpenBSD has a lot less resources than Linux, but they use their resources in a far more focused way.
- Yes, there are 3rd party patches which hack many anti-buffer overflow protections into the Linux kernel, similar to what OpenBSD has.
- Yes, there is a stateful firewall for Linux.
- Yes, there is ipv6 support for Linux.
But OpenBSD takes all of these things, which under Linux can be half baked and kludged, and packages them together as a polished, stable end product. Their PF work is quite frankly amazing. The features and documentation are unbeatable. Checkpoint and Cisco, watch out!
The key difference between GNU/Linux and the various BSDs is integration. The BSDs assure you that the various things will play together properly. Features are added more conservatively, but they are going to work. The system as a whole is stable.
You know that for example the buffer overflow protections are not going to break half your userland applications, because it has been thouroughly tested on the system as a whole. Some example results of this:
- You know that the packet filter will play nice with the IPv6 subsystem.
- You know that Systrace will work on an SMP kernel.
You also don't get silly things like stable kernels which corrupt your filesystem or ripping out the virtual memory subsystem in a stable kernel and completely changing it.
All these things are very nice when you are running serious production servers.
Linux can perform a large number of roles adequately.
OpenBSD can perform a smaller number of roles excellently
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Re:Can't BSD people be polite in subject lines?Was I impolite? Sorry, I even re-edited my first subjet that includede "OMFG" & "FFS".. j/k..
;)For me OpenBSD has been a OS where I've been willing to give up performance for security. This is no major problem considering that todays (and even yesterdays) computers are extremely efficient if you don't shove a lot of fancy graphics down their throat. My fw at home was 486sx25 and got substituted by a P100 only because the P100 was far more silent. (oh, and it runs FreeSCO)
Speaking of performance, I did get very very happy with 2.9 wich boasted a 60x filesystem I/O boost..
:) ..Anyway, I have no experience of huge enviroments. I've worked at smaller schools with a maximum of around 250 desktops/servers. I used to work at a school around 2000/2001 with some 150 desktops and all of them with real IPs (no fw). Most of them had servers running since it was a webdeveloper/designer school. Some computers were Macs but most run NT4. Needless to say they got haxxored more and more. I got fed up with it and started running RedHat 6.2 at my desktop (as I did at home) but even here I got fed up with checking for patches and checking logs for intrusions so I went for OpenBSD at the desktop and we started moving all exept the
.asp pages to a second OpenBSD 2.8 computer. Never had any problems with either of these comps exept an ftp patch and an ssh patch IIRC. Our fileserver was a Samba wielding Slackware Linux-box and we also set up a fw, don't remember if it was Linux or OpenBSD though.As you see I am an not "BSD people" but rather an OS agnostic (aka OS whore) and believe that all OSes have a good place in the matrix. OpenBSD is my choice for "deploy and (almost) forget". Security issuses come so seldom that they get posted on
/. which I check daily.. ;)BTW.. The other day I celebrated the 777 days uptime (that's 2+ years) of a OpenBSD 3.0 machine..
:')Cheers...
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Re:OpenBSD commands respect...They're source-only updates on purpose -- the only binaries that are available are through releases and (recently) snapshots.
Once you update your src tree, you can recompile the kernel and system binaries if you need to -- whatever the patch requires. As a bonus, since everything is backed by cvs, you could make local changes and merge in updates rather seamlessly.
The snapshot builds, I think, are taken from -current rather than -stable.
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OpenBSD commands respect...
...quite easily. Examine Red Hat's errata list for AS3, then look at OpenBSD's errata. I assume that you will see a rather conspicuous difference in the quantity of changes?
Granted, this list is not entirely fair, as many ports and packages have bug fixes, which would push up OpenBSD's count. However, OpenBSD includes a great deal in the base distribution (SSH, Apache, Sendmail, etc.) that comprises what they assert to be audited, secure code.
To me, the ability to deploy a server and then spend minimal effort with security patches is more important than SMP. YMMV.
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This troll just never dies...
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwsolaris
Although none of the developers think it is particularly relevant, this question comes up frequently enough in the mailing lists that it is answered here. www.openbsd.org and the main OpenBSD ftp site are hosted at a SunSITE at the University of Alberta, Canada. These sites are hosted on a large Sun system, which has access to lots of storage space and Internet bandwidth. The presence of the SunSITE gives the OpenBSD group access to this bandwidth. This is why the main site runs here. Many of the OpenBSD mirror sites run OpenBSD, but since they do not have guaranteed access to this large amount of bandwidth, the group has chosen to run the main site at the University of Alberta SunSITE.
They don't use the sunsite on a httpd server because of the processors. My sparcserver 20 could handle that load. Fucking idiot. -
Ceren does not use Spatial Nautilus
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Re:Finding the holes is only half the battle
This is why documents such as The Secure Programming for Linux and Unix should be compulsory reading for developers.
Time after time we see the same flaws being found, sometimes by me, sometimes by more focussed groups.
I seriously believe half the problem is the number of young developers who read manuals/textbooks/online guides which have a paragraph at the introduction saying something like "To keep the code concise we've ommitted all error checking in our examples". With nary a mention of security throughout the rest of the piece.
Half joking - half serious.
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Re:Will they...
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Re:You're facing an uphill battle.
The GPL's popularity is what causes this chasm between commercial vendors and Open Source. In a way, the GPL's belligerent and iron-fisted stance on Open Source has encouraged closed source by drawing an uncrossable line between that which is GPL and that which is not. The OpenBSD project's goals appear to be a rare negative reaction to the GPL. They aim to keep their project open source, but without any of the GPL's heavy-handedness.
If people started converting their Commercial/GPL projects to a license like this one then they could release their products as open source after they've already earned a return from the market, thereby greatly diminishing the unfair advantages a competitor would get by simply repackaging and tweaking someone else's brand-new, cutting-edge code.
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Re:BahAlso if you want to use a CD based install, try here.
Note that this link is for booting and loading install/upgrade program only. You can go on with a network install from it. CD's layout are copyrighted by Theo de Raadt. You can, however, download and make your own bootable CD.
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Different OSes developed with different aimsIf everyone used Macs today, it would be Macs, and if everyone used Linux, it would be Linux boxes.
This is a widespread misconception, akin to saying that if everyone drove Volvos, just as many people would die in traffic accidents as they do now. Millions of Americans have purchased large SUVs that tend to roll over three times more frequently than other automobiles. Volvos, on the other hand, are built with safety as a primary goal.
By the same token, would you expect an OpenBSD server to have the same level of default security protection as a Windows 2000 server? OpenBSD is built with the primary intention of being the world's most secure OS. Nowhere on the Windows 2000 product page do we see anything at all relating to security.
You can't assign positive characteristics to an OS on one hand (Windows XP doesn't crash as often as Windows 98) and then dismiss negative comparisons (Windows is less secure by default than Mac OS X or Linux).
Blame users all you want, but there are millions of uninformed Mac users out there. Believe it or not, in spite of their uninformed nature, they don't have to deal with anything like the litany of security and stability issues that confront Windows users.
It's hard to believe when you've been struggling with Windows for years and have grown accustomed to it, but while Linux and Macintosh aren't immune to security problems, the trojan horses and viruses that plague Windows users are a direct result of Microsoft's development philosophy, which emphasizes market dominance over quality.
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Encrypt the swapOpenBSD can encrypt the swap. FreeBSD, -- in even more generic way -- can encrypt any partition -- including, what you'll then use for swap.
For everything else, there is KWallet.
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Re:A joke surely?
There is only one vendor which i trust. At least, you can see their patches and modify them if you see fit.
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BSD challenges Linux to find a hotter chick...
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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Re:No posts thus far - an omen?See the group's policy. Also see the ISC licenseused by OpenBSD (I'd paste it here but the lameness filter catches it).
The ISC liscense is a permisive license with no strings attached and covers both patents and copyrights (because you grant permission to DO THINGS, not a grant of a limited license).
The origial Apache liscense was very similar but added some advertising and attribution restrictions that generally have little or no cost. There are numerous problems with the new license including:
- The new apache license removes the implict grant of multiple permissions and replaces it with the explicit grant of just a copyright license and a patent license for specific uses(i.e. it gives you theoretically fewer rights).
- The patent liscense has a nasty termination clause that while well intentioned could cause all sorts of problems.
- It wastes hot air reminding people of things required under copyright law and granting permisions of things allowed by copyright law.
- It requires that changes made from the original be prominantly noted. This is espeicially obsurd as almost every Linux vendor has their own patch set for the server.
- The indemnification clause though well intentioned also has especially nasty consquences.
I could go on, but it's not needed. While you may not have a problem with these changes, they do clearly violate the stated policy of OpenBSD. I see nothing wrong with not updating the version of Apache they use to one with the new license. They will continue to provide and support the older version and hopefully the Apache foundation will change it's mind before they are forced to find a more permanant solution.
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Re:No posts thus far - an omen?See the group's policy. Also see the ISC licenseused by OpenBSD (I'd paste it here but the lameness filter catches it).
The ISC liscense is a permisive license with no strings attached and covers both patents and copyrights (because you grant permission to DO THINGS, not a grant of a limited license).
The origial Apache liscense was very similar but added some advertising and attribution restrictions that generally have little or no cost. There are numerous problems with the new license including:
- The new apache license removes the implict grant of multiple permissions and replaces it with the explicit grant of just a copyright license and a patent license for specific uses(i.e. it gives you theoretically fewer rights).
- The patent liscense has a nasty termination clause that while well intentioned could cause all sorts of problems.
- It wastes hot air reminding people of things required under copyright law and granting permisions of things allowed by copyright law.
- It requires that changes made from the original be prominantly noted. This is espeicially obsurd as almost every Linux vendor has their own patch set for the server.
- The indemnification clause though well intentioned also has especially nasty consquences.
I could go on, but it's not needed. While you may not have a problem with these changes, they do clearly violate the stated policy of OpenBSD. I see nothing wrong with not updating the version of Apache they use to one with the new license. They will continue to provide and support the older version and hopefully the Apache foundation will change it's mind before they are forced to find a more permanant solution.
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Encrypted Swap
The problem of password retention on swap partitions has been known for years. OpenBSD, for example, automatically encrypts the swap partition with rotating keys so that information becomes automatically when it gets stale, i.e. even before reboot. There is a paper on this called Encrypting Virtual Memory. Makes for an interesting read.
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Re:BahStupid troll. People have harped on this ad-nauseam.
Theo makes his living by selling packaged OpenBSD install disks (with CVS checkouts of the source, precompiled packages, etc.). The fact that he sells OpenBSD to pay his bills doesn't make it any less free then RedHat selling Linux.
Also if you want to use a CD based install, try here.
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SUSE cannot match what BSD offers...
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
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For all those Windows XP pirates out thereConsider an OS upgrade path that works or another upgrade path or pay $50USD to download an upgrade that will solve your worm problems and never go back to that POS pirated Windows XP system ever again.
I get like 100 worms sending me email a week, from random IP addresses, all unpatched Windows systems. I assume that the massive piracy that MS talks about and blocks service packs for, have been infected by worms and are sending out virus emails to infect other systems.
Basically screw Microsoft, ditch the pirated copy of XP, and go to Linux or OpenBSD or some other OS which is virtually free. You will avoid legal trouble, and won't be spreading around any more worms. Linspire (nee Lindows) costs $50USD to download, but it is the best consumer version of Linux I have yet to see. I have a machine running it, and I love it. One less Microsoft license I have to buy when it is time to upgrade the OS on that machine. Learn to use F/OSS Goodies on Windows and they will be there for you on Linux and OpenBSD as well.
Soon after you made the switch to Linux or OpenBSD, you will forget your old worm and SP problems that XP suffered from.
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Re:How very timely...I was going to buy a Netgear wireless access point/router this week.
If 11Mbps is sufficient for your needs, you could by a 802.11b wireless card that uses the Prism 2.5 chipset. This chipset can function in hostAP mode. At home I use Netgear MA311 in an older Dell functioning as my wireless access point, internet gateway and firewall. Instead of WEP, I use IPSec, and only authorized IPSec traffic is allowed (and thus no leaching from my Kazaa loving neighbour).
You might need to flash the firmware, though, which you can find here.
If you want a secure, easy and hassle free gateway, just install OpenBSD.