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Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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man 1 dd

How is a raw, bitwise copy of anything going to degrade over time?

... and when this turns out to be the solution, how long will it be before some one ports dd to Win32 & adds a nice GUI to it?

CD's aren't 'secure', and I don't see how they can be made 'secure' and backwards compatible. The (industry) perfered medium for distributing music is going to have to change before they can really enforce any kind of non- or limited-copying scheme.

Actually spamd on OpenBSDdoes a great job stopping spam

I used to get around 300 messages daily, all of them spam. Now I only get 1 or 2 every two days.

Actually spamd on OpenBSDdoes a great job stopping spam

I used to get around 300 messages daily, all of them spam. Now I only get 1 or 2 every two days.

> Why should I be tarred with the epithet "loony" merely because I have a pet halibut?

Why should I be tied with the epithet looney merely because I wish to protect my redundancy protocol?

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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You are confused.

"Unless you can actually read C (or whatever language) looking at the binaries is pretty pointless"

No amount of C will help you read binaries. For that you need a disassembler, knowledge of assembly language, and a hell of a lot of spare time.

"Rather then inserting backdoors it would be much easier to just install some buffer overflows."

No.

It would not be easier.

Ever written code to bind a shell to a listening port? Ever coded a buffer overflow exploit? There are orders of magnitude of difficulty separating the two. Say you mess around with some printf() or strcpy() calls and introduce some overflows or format string bugs in an application which binds to a TCP port. What if the victim machine is behind a firewall? How do you take advantage of the BO's then? OK, you tell me, you write a BO which makes an outbound connection which *might* get through the firewall. But this is exactly what a backdoor like the irssi configure script does, but without all the fucking around overflowing the stack to get control of the execution path.

"Since even experienced coders miss buffer overflows, casual checking of code is not going to pick them up."

So projects like OpenBSD and Adamantix should just give up, because according to you code audits are a waste of time?

http://cvs.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#osfp

Actually, spamd is known as a "tarpitting" approach. It uses a PF table of CIDR blocks based on the RBL's to cause the relay servers' mail spools to back up indefinitely.

Greylisting is a newer feature to spamd, providing the ability to whitelist once the sender retransmits after a temporary failure. This feature was added to spamd by Bob Beck on 2/26/04.

spamd is a new approach to blocking spam. Its called greylisting. It rejects all email with a temporary failure notice in the hopes that the large volume spam senders don't have the resources to wait 30mins and send the same email again. Apperently this method works quite well and uses little resources.

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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They include a full featured tool you can use to manage any part of the OS.

Well, that's where the IETF comes in. Most Internet standards (or other standards for that matter) have been proposed by companies; that doesn't make them bad.

The IETF community proposed work in this direction in the late 90's, however in 1997 Cisco informed them that they believed some of Cisco's patents covered the proposed IETF VRRP (Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol); on March 20, 1998 they went further and specifically named their HSRP "Hot Standby Router Protocol" patent. Reputedly, they were upset that IETF had not simply adopted the flawed HSRP protocol as the standard solution for this problem. Despite this legal pressure, the IETF community forged ahead and published VRRP as a standard even though there was a patent in the space. Why? There was much deliberation at all levels of the IETF, and unfortunately for all of us the politicians within eventually decided to allow patented technology in standards -- as long as the patented technology is licensed under RAND (Reasonable And Non Discriminatory) terms. As free software programmers, we therefore find ourselves in the position that these RAND standards must not be implemented by us, and we must deviate from the standard. We find all this rather Unreasonable and Discriminatory and we *will* design competing protocols. Some standards organization, eh?

As for Linux, well, you did ask for ease of use. I've tried several Linux distros, and they all failed in one way or another. RedHat was the worst -- the installer got into a nice graphics mode just fine, but somehow couldn't tell XFree86 what settings it used, and subsequently XWindows was a pain in the ass. Perhaps Fedora is better, but somehow I doubt it. Mandrake couldn't recognize my network card to save it's ass (but RedHat could, so a driver is available). SuSE wouldn't let me try without buy (no ISO), so forget them. I wouldn't touch Debian with a 20 foot pole because 1) they're so damn political, and I don't need that crap I just need an OS; 2) they're way behind on the kernel releases; and 3) they're so damn political.

Basically, I'd stay away from any distro that calls itself "GNU/Linux" because their political statement is their #1 priority, and you want the distro to be their #1 priority.

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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If you don't know anyone in China (or Asia) you can use a blacklist for the whole region. My firewall with OpenBSD's awesome spamd autoupdates its tarpit blacklists every couple of hours. One good list for Asian IPs is here.

I love the idea of tarpitting, seeing spammers connections being tied up for ~3300 seconds (my highest) warms my heart. If more people did it that'd mean less overall spam traffic.

Quoting from the OpenBSD Erata Page this problem was remedied from May 5, 2004

Demonstrably false.

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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Will they give it back to me once they get OpenBSD running on it?

Seriously though, they keep a wildly assorted compile farm, to periodically build/test everything. If you took back your hardware, you might not be supported for long :)

Get it direct from OpenBSD https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order.eu

You can use systrace. There is even a GUI frontend that works on Mac OS.

How can such a goal be attained? There are many ways available now. The most obvious one is a VM system with security policies, such as the JVM. That's not the only one, though. Another method is a capabilities-based system, so when a process starts, it has only a defined set of capabilities to work with. OpenBSD has a similar, but more limited system called systrace. The TrustedBSD project and SELinux have similar aims, and SELinux is being integrated into mainstream Linux distros. Another way to run untrusted things is with user-mode Linux, which I believe is integrated with Linux 2.6

The editor is right, though, that on currently-used systems like OSX and MS Windows, you have to be careful what you click on. But the problem is that we have come to accept that as "the way things are", when there is no reason for that to be the case. You should be able to run hostile code, see what it does, laugh at it, and delete it without any harm. The technology to do that exists, and has existed for years, but we have come to accept broken products and systems that don't allow that.

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WAP news

On August 7 2002, after many communications, Robert Barr (Cisco's lawyer) firmly informed the OpenBSD community that Cisco would defend its patents for VRRP implementations....

In Cisco's assessment, the VRRP proposal does not represent any significantly different functionality from that available with HSRP....

However, now that the draft-li-hsrp-01.txt' submission is approaching expiration and the Working Group is continuing with the VRRP proposal, Cisco Systems reserves the right to protect its intellectual property.

and with ifstated coming along in 3.6, everything can failover

So you can have more secure communications, but only if you pay Cisco.

This is the second time in six months OpenBSD has seriously one-upped Cisco and its patents. :-) They even wrote a song about the first!

How fortunate of a timing right after OpenBSD just decided to combat software patents with Open Source.

for me, the answer was to move to BSD. the BSDs - openbsd, freebsd, and netbsd - are excellent, free (in both senses), totally community-driven, unencumbered with the sort of corporate bullcrap that's going on in much of the linux world, and they run all the same software that you've become accustomed to under linux.

serious unix users owe it to themselves to check these systems out; they really are superb - if you doubt it, poke around netcraft for a while and see for yourself.

cheers,

- pete g

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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For an example of setting up firewall for home or small office, have a look at the execellent PF User Guide> .

Tired of sucky download performance when you max your upload on your ADSL connection? Well, PF solves that with packet queueing and prioritization.

For an example of setting up firewall for home or small office, have a look at the execellent PF User Guide> .

Tired of sucky download performance when you max your upload on your ADSL connection? Well, PF solves that with packet queueing and prioritization.

For an example of setting up firewall for home or small office, have a look at the execellent PF User Guide> .

Tired of sucky download performance when you max your upload on your ADSL connection? Well, PF solves that with packet queueing and prioritization.

IANACPUExpert, but my understanding is that x86 has had a distinction between code and data pages since at least the 80386.

Neither am I, but I believe that the old feature in the 386 only allows you to mark very large segments of memory non-executable.

SPARC, PA-RISC, Alpha, and presumably the new x86 chips with "NX" allow you to do this to individual pages.

I'm surprised *BSD (particularly) FreeBSD hasn't.

OpenBSD does. They call it W^X. It was enabled on the sparc, sparc64, hppa, and alpha ports in 3.3 and on the i386 and macppc ports in 3.4.

IANACPUExpert, but my understanding is that x86 has had a distinction between code and data pages since at least the 80386.

Neither am I, but I believe that the old feature in the 386 only allows you to mark very large segments of memory non-executable.

SPARC, PA-RISC, Alpha, and presumably the new x86 chips with "NX" allow you to do this to individual pages.

I'm surprised *BSD (particularly) FreeBSD hasn't.

OpenBSD does. They call it W^X. It was enabled on the sparc, sparc64, hppa, and alpha ports in 3.3 and on the i386 and macppc ports in 3.4.

Sounds well and good, but I can think of at least two questions: has anyone in the linux community looked into making use of this

I don't know, but I'll do you one better

and, if not, why not?

If not, it would be because they are dumb.

Sounds well and good, but I can think of at least two questions: has anyone in the linux community looked into making use of this and, if not, why not?

Real processors (SPARC, PA-RISC, Alpha) have had this same feature for years, and OpenBSD uses it as the basis for the W^X feature, which ensures that no page in a program's memory space will be both writeable and executable.

So if you consider OpenBSD to be part of the "Linux community", then the answer is yes.

Whereas legacy systems such as Unix are finding it harder to support newer hardware features such as the NX codes in the latest AMD and Intel chips

Uh, what?

As far as I know, the so-called "NX codes" are just the ability for the MMU to mark a page of memory as non-executable.

Real architectures, such as SPARC, Alpha, and PA-RISC, have had this feature for a long time. It's used in Solaris for the non-executable stack feature, and it's the basis for OpenBSD's W^X feature.

So Intel, AMD, and Microsoft are just catching up to features which platforms you dismiss as "legacy systems" have had for years.

"An entire operating system that is invulnerable to stack overflow attacks?"

Here you go

Actually, there's evidence to suggest otherwise: it appears that they're incrementing it at a rate of more than one per year.

If we look now, in 2004, they claim "Only remote hole in the default install, in more than 8 years!" However, if we use the wayback machine to look back three years ago to 2001, they then only claimed to have three years.

All the same, I find that OpenBSD is fantastic: well documented, simple, very paranoid about security, and very easy to update.

how about this? PF Users Guide

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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• www.redhat.com
• www.debian.org
• www.slackware.org
• www.freebsd.org
• www.openbsd.org

Are there actually any distributions other than Debian which make this [anal] distinction?

OpenBSD. Theo's hard-line open source policy keeps even GPLed code out of the kernal, and out of userland as much as possible.

Add in unparalleled documentation and security, and I think your quest for the best Open-Source OS distribution is over :-)

> The FAQ does not state this at all.

Wow, you've got me there. The faq doesn't seem to have that information anymore. I'm pretty sure it or some man page (X, startx) used to because I remember reading explicitly to start with the example in the README file instead of running the config when I set OpenBSD up on that Blade 100.

> There are no packages or even ports for MySQL 4.0

Well, while I don't use MySQL, this does look like 4.0 to me. According to the make file there is a package available via ftp and on the CD-ROM. I also doubt you bothered to apply all of the patches in the patches directory when you made it from source yourself. That's proably why it doesn't work. On a general note if you ask on misc@ they are going to tell you to just use the package and only to use the port if you need a special flavor (and it doesn't sound like you do).

> The 3.5 snapshot worked fine for me,

I mistyped. The April 19th snapshot was the messed up one (It was fixed on the 20th, everyone subscribed to misc and source-changes was told).

If you got a snapshot on the 29th you probably didn't get 3.5. Instead you ended up with current, and not only that, but you got it durring the greatest period of change and instability....

Releases are finalized far enough before the release date to get the CDs pressed. May 1 isn't when they apply the tag. Had you wanted to run 3.5 before that, I'd have suggested installing 3.4 or a snapshot, fetching the 3_5_BASE from CVS and doing release(8).

> You'll note that I did solicit the help of the OpenBSD/sparc mailing list

Not very many people are subscribed there; misc@ is usually a better bet for the type of problems you were having (misc probably isn't as friendly though....).

or there... (if they are not already dead ;)

Seriously, if you can't upgrade your OS to Windows XP because your PC is too old, try to switch to Linux or one of the BSD instead, it's really worth it!

http://www.freebsd.org
http://www.netbsd.org
http://www.openbsd.org
http://www.apple.com/macosx

And in their spare time, they contribute to the OpenBSD Project .