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Roundup persists for a very long time in the soil, so trials which show it not harming soil diversity over one or two seasons only tell part of the story.

I don't think that's completely true. It looks like safe "middle of the road" estimates in practical is on the order of 47 days. In the worst case of 197 days, that could work out to some noticeable accumulation, but that seems like an outlier estimate. The chemical has also been in use for 40 years, so it seems like we should see some serious data if it had serious effects. That's not to count out the possibility of really subtle second and third order problems, but that's true for anything.

The other thing we should remember is that it's not the first herbicide to be used in farming, and using less of it may well mean using more of a more toxic herbicide. I mean, it's easy to make an herbicide. Just put a really toxic liquid in a bottle. It's harder to make an herbicide that just kills plants and is pretty neutral on other stuff we don't want to kill. Glyphosate is a pretty big win on that front.

And the amount it has actually risen in the Marshalls is roughly about 3". Even then, attributing this to "Climate Change" is a bit of a leap. Even though water has risen there "more than the global average", that's really not saying much since the global average is something like 1/4" over the last century. (Roughly... I don't remember the exact figure.) [Jane Q. Public]

Quoting 3" for the Marshalls makes it clear that Jane is talking about the total sea level rise, not the annual rise. Total global average sea level rise over the last century (1914-2014) is more like ~6 inches (see fig. 5 of Church and White 2011. Jane obviously doesn't remember the exact figure, because the rise Jane's memory provides is ~24x smaller than the actual observed rise.

Anyway, sea level rise can vary regionally due to factors like the gravity of thinning ice sheets.

These people have been doing this sort of thing for years.

http://cmdac.oce.orst.edu/osu/history.html
http://kepler.oce.orst.edu/

These people have been doing this sort of thing for years.

http://cmdac.oce.orst.edu/osu/history.html
http://kepler.oce.orst.edu/

Mammals tolerate this stuff pretty well..... its the bees and fish that really have a problem with this stuff.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/malagen.pdf ( PDF warning ).

What you neglect to mention is that products sprayed with Bt have a period of 2 weeks before they can be eaten by people, as the toxin itself then breaks down into byproducts that aren't harmful. If it's inside of the corn and not exposed to air, it may slow down said breakdown, and it can also mean that by law, there is nothing preventing companies from selling it within that 2 week period.

Not true. Crops can be sprayed with Bt and harvested same day.
From HERE:

Bonide Bacillus Thuringiensis (Bt) is a bacterium which is selectively toxic to many moth and butterfly larvae (caterpillars). The insects stop feeding and die within 2 to 3 days of ingestion. There is no residue problem, and being exempt from tolerance requirements, this product may be applied at the recommended amounts up to the day of harvest.

More can be found in this PDF:
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/BTgen.pdf

Monsanto had their way, apparently for years, in that they had this information and had no obligation until now to release it to the public. The same public, mind you, that is nearly forced into eating their foods containing these products. Go look for non-GM labeled foods in a supermarket in the US. It's just a bit hard to find them, considering there's no requirement to label either way.

I agree that these foods should be heavily tested by a neutral, independent body and labeled as such. The problem is that GM food gets lumped together. People do not protest against Monsanto GM foods. The protest against GM food altogether and hand out pamphlets that will describe this corn as "GM foods"

http://osu.orst.edu/dept/ncs/photos/minis/bubblessm.jpg
(from http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2004/May04/mariana.htm)

"They found carbon dioxide spewing from rocks under such enormous subsea pressure that it emerged as a bubbling liquid in one site named "champagne vent." And they had to back their equipment away from one ongoing eruption at a site named "Brimstone Pit" when the belching sulfur, acid, boiling water and rocks became too intense."

Anyone have any figures on how many millions of tons of C02 per hour are released by volcanoes? Some of the ones around Guam have apparently been erupting contnously for years. It doesn't all get dissolved, either.

I predict that cap-and-trade, if it happens, will work about like wetlands mitigation. In other words, a totally rigged dog-and-pony show further entrenching the incumbent "stakeholders" at the table of "governance". It will have to, just to pass. Them and a whole new layer of bureaucrats, snitches, and telephone sanitizers.

Just one more nail in the coffin.

• Problems with Using Microsoft Excel for Statistics
• Fixing Statistical Errors in Spreadsheet Software: The Cases of Gnumeric and Excel
• Using Excel for Data Analysis
• Statistical Flaws in Excel
• On the Accuracy of Statistical Distributions in Microsoft Excel 97
• On the Reliability of Microsoft Excel XP for Statistical Purposes
• Use of Excel for Statistical Analysis
• Reliability of Statistical Procedures in Excel
• Association of Statistics Specialists Using Microsoft Excel
• Statistical Analysis Using Microsoft Excel

Linky goodness for the interested: OSU Subsurface Biosphere (tons of articles for the interested)

I can tell you how they feel, pissed off. Although like you said most of them have no clue what Open Source means tuition is a problem at OSU and the OSUOSL with all it's extra "FLUF" isn't helping things.

Here are a few choice articles I found in the student paper.

http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/11/42822d7d4d8aa?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b99bf838032?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b993bdeb909?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/19/428cc099cf15e?in_archive=1

I could go on, but you get the point. The OSUOSL is wastefull. OSU could provide the same services for Open Source for a reduced cost if they'd only cut out all of the middle managment.

I can tell you how they feel, pissed off. Although like you said most of them have no clue what Open Source means tuition is a problem at OSU and the OSUOSL with all it's extra "FLUF" isn't helping things.

Here are a few choice articles I found in the student paper.

http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/11/42822d7d4d8aa?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b99bf838032?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b993bdeb909?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/19/428cc099cf15e?in_archive=1

I could go on, but you get the point. The OSUOSL is wastefull. OSU could provide the same services for Open Source for a reduced cost if they'd only cut out all of the middle managment.

I can tell you how they feel, pissed off. Although like you said most of them have no clue what Open Source means tuition is a problem at OSU and the OSUOSL with all it's extra "FLUF" isn't helping things.

Here are a few choice articles I found in the student paper.

http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/11/42822d7d4d8aa?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b99bf838032?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b993bdeb909?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/19/428cc099cf15e?in_archive=1

I could go on, but you get the point. The OSUOSL is wastefull. OSU could provide the same services for Open Source for a reduced cost if they'd only cut out all of the middle managment.

I can tell you how they feel, pissed off. Although like you said most of them have no clue what Open Source means tuition is a problem at OSU and the OSUOSL with all it's extra "FLUF" isn't helping things.

Here are a few choice articles I found in the student paper.

http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/11/42822d7d4d8aa?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b99bf838032?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /06/22/42b993bdeb909?in_archive=1
http://barometer.orst.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005 /05/19/428cc099cf15e?in_archive=1

I could go on, but you get the point. The OSUOSL is wastefull. OSU could provide the same services for Open Source for a reduced cost if they'd only cut out all of the middle managment.

Cookie monster is already teaching us all we need to know... Cookies are a sometimes food

Unless it's tracking something like a login and only if it's from the originating site should one eat a cookie. Not an aytime food like when they want to track you all across the web!

Quote from "knoppix-cheatcodes.txt": "The "noswap" option is useful for a forensic analysis without touching existing swap partitions."

• Map shows first migratory routes taken by humans, based on surveys of different types of the male Y chromosome. "Adam" represents the common ancestor from which all Y chromosomes descended
• Research based on DNA testing of 100,000 people from indigenous populations around the world Source: The Genographic Project

The Genographic Project will collect DNA samples from over 100,000 people worldwide to help piece together a picture of how the Earth was colonised.

Doesn't this bother anyone else?

Usually, when you set out to do research you have alternative hypotheses that you test the same way as the hypothesis you hold dear to your heart -- this is the scientist's way of tricking himself into not lying to himself.

It's called strong inference. They should use it before the lose it.

what is the safest place on earth to live?

Actually, I saw some PBS-type program/website/article that theorized that one of the reason the areas around Santa Fe, NM USA may have been inhabited mostly continuously for 10,000 or possibly more years is because it is relatively free of natural disasters. And they asserted that the area is the longest continuously inhabited area in North America.

It may not have this image now but early white settlers described the area as a "Garden of Eden" with copious flora and fauna - obviously this was before the last 150 or so years of desertification, damming of rivers, killing of beavers and predators (which appear to have a cascading effect ecosystems in an area based on common sense and studies like this)

My school which shall rename nameless has two levels to the CS program. There is a regular undergrad with about 400 people and a professional program. Now out of those 400 people, my school looks at your grades in art, math, physics, and everything except CS courses (mostly because by the time you're applying for the pro-program you haven't taken any) and grabs the top 95.

This left me high and dry, as I had an issue with a math class. I asked the head undergrad advisor and he told me to wait a few years and enrollment in CS should drop.

Next I walked over to the Math Department and got my degree in Mathematical Science with a Computer Science focus and a Computer Science minor.

The point is, rather than basing the program on skill (currently I write software that Cisco uses in hardware diagnostics) some universities are basing it on grades. The system needs to be overhauled to judge the skill of the programmers, not their book smarts.

"We were paying $35/hour for talent that we could get for about $55/hour domestically."

I don't know where you are located exactly, but in Florida, the going contracting rate for most IT positions, such as J2EE programming, is between $30 and $35 per hour, not $55/hour. This is take home pay, not including the markup.

More on topic, I suspect that the outsourcing trend is overblown. Quite frankly, I believe there is no longer a need for so many programmers. There is off-the-shelf software available for just about any business niche you can think of. For example, there is software for the commercial fishing industry. There is software for the aquaculture (fish farming) industry, including software that simulates various pond management scenarios and analyses the effects on yields. Software exists for the manufactured housing industry and the prefabricated concrete industry.

From what I see, companies want to hire people that know how to use all of this software to improve their business. They want managers and consultants, business experts, not programmers. This is why IBM bought PricewaterhouseCoopers back in 2002. As this Fortune article explains, (Subscription required) clients want IBM to use its business/tech experts to solve thorny business issues, improve their operations, or even to run entire divisions such as customer service or finance/accounting.

"There is enough software out there," companies seem to be saying, " now help make it help me."

My main point I'm trying to make is that we have other tools to do it, why choose PDF? Take a few minutes, and do some reading on accessability standards for the web, and then look at some sites that follow them. For example, OSU I'm not a student there, but I do do some research on their site occasionally. They have been pushing accessability on everything pretty hard at that college. That web page is so much easier for everyone to navigate now, becuase it isn't designed with just marketing in mind, but with everyone. It loads faster, less crap, more consistant, and every image has an ALT tag description. by making it accessable, it works easier for everyone. And the hard part for them was just changing the mindsets of people to consider these things.

PDF files are great in some applications, such as the manual for my motorcycle. But a press release as a PDF? Why not just post a 5MB flash as your homepage, so that it looks the way you want it to? You could, but its waaaay overkill..

There is a definite trend of US politics having a detrimental effect on science.

This trend is actually at least half-century old. There is at least one known case of a Nobel prize lost by Americans due to politics. It's the case of Linus Pauling attempt to break the gene code. Pauling would most likely do what Watson & Crick did later, but he had no access to the X-Ray photos of the DNA crystal done by Maurice Wilkins & Rosalinde Franklin. He was in the "land of the free", the photos were in the good ol' UK. Pauling wanted to go to UK to see the photos, but was denied passport according to the infamous McCarran Act. That's how the USA lost the race for at least one Nobel. However, there were more less direct cases like this - Maccarthyism destroyed the status of America as the worldwide recognized icon of liberty, gained in 1930's. The brain drain surely continued aftewards, but the scientists coming to the USA were coming for the dollars, not freedom.

Mars is 5 months travel each way (assuming 2 years on planet). Regaining Mars orbit will require more fuel than reacquiring lunar orbit due to the increased gravity (38% vs 16.5% on the moon). Food, water, oxygen, shelter for 2 years....

'A nonymous Coward (7548)' may have been guessing at 100x cost, but I expect, if anything, his guess is on the low side.

I think he was talking about Kearal.

You can find more details :
here and here

manoj

I used to have this payloader rocket that you could load an egg in. One day I was digging around the yard under rocks (like most 14yro boys do) and I found some newts. Hmm, astro... astro... ASTRONEWTS YEAH!

So being the unusually cruel kind of kid that pulled the wings off of flies, and pretended his magnifying glass was the death star at alderon over an ant hill, I began my devious little plan.

I packed up my rockets, grabbed a few C6-7 engines I had (I love the long delay) and headed out to the school on my schwinn with the newt safely in tow.

I set up the launch pad, did all my pre-flight checks (make sure the fins aren't unglued, ect) and loaded the little guy in my egg payloader.

5...4...3...2...1 LIFTOFF!!!

Pretending that I was in mission control, I started saying things to myself like "Ok Houston, we have liftoff, going to full throttle" "Booster seperation complete, deploying parachute" I hopped back on my bike too chase the red and white striped parachute down.

The wind had carried the rocket south off school grounds, it was an overcast day so there must have been some high winds. I must have followed it for a 1/2 mile or so before I lost site of it. Then I noticed the red and white parachute dragging the cone and body of the rocket around the expressway from the wind that was kicked up by the cars. Then the unimaginable happened...

A orange 1976 toyota celica came barreling down the road. I swear to god, the driver looked me right in the eye, looked back at the rocket, and made a beeline straight towards it. I watched in horror as the right front wheel drove right over the plastic payload bay. After the cars had passed, I walked over to my injured rocket, which was now just a mess of carboard tubing, some balsa wood, and a bloody flattened carcase of a newt encased in a polyetheline casket.

I never flew a newt again.

Eh? Not at all. The "roman thing" is quite well documented.

I should know better than to respond to somebody who quotes Fox News as a source on science (particularly when the opening paragraph contains the words "junk," "science," and "environmental" -cheerleaders for the smokestack lobby), but if you feel so good about DDT, why not try sprinkling some on your morning breakfast cereal?

First, Rachel Carson is not a researcher, so Fox's refuting of her writings, and her interpretation of one of the researchers she quotes, doesn't address the large body of research regarding correlations between DDT and its effects on wildlife.

Maybe your rocket powered was hurting his garden?

Sodium Chlorate

Well lets see.. a large ice shelf that has existed for thousands of years just broke in two.. that wouldn't have anything to do with us humans now would it?

Of course not.. Global Warming is a contentcious issue (but so is the moon landing and the holocaust.. both of which I tend to believe actually occured...) But there is a lot of research out there that supports what I said.. (1) Global Warming IS natural. and (2) we are accelerating it. The Big Picture

While MS Excel may have an extensive array of features it is somewhat lacking on the accuracy front. At least as far back as Sawitski (1994) various scientific analyses have been critising Excel using phases like "can be judged inadequate" and "it can be deduced that Excel uses an unstable algorithm". However as McCullough & Wilson (1999) note Microsoft has done little to address these concerns. The problems Sawitski found in Excel 4 were still present in Excel 97 and Excel 2000 for that matter. In fact critisism of the accuracy of Excel 2002 and XP in the scientific literature continues e.g. McCullough & Wilson (2002).

To quote the The Gartner Group, "Enterprises should advise their scientists and professional statisticians not to use Microsoft Excel for substantive statistical analysis". Of course if you do not need to do accurate statistical analysis then these problems will not effect you but given that Microsoft knows about and has largely ignored these problems and scientists are the people most likely to check that a given piece of software really does what if claims to do rather than using it blindly, it seems quite possible that similar problems exist in other parts of Excel but have yet to be exposed.

Rather than blindly copying Excel, the Gnumeric team might do better by trying to bring on board some of these scientists who have been testing and critising Excel in order to improve the accuracy of Gnumeric, so that not only does Gnumeric beat Excel on features but also, and far more importantly, on accuracy. See the following links for more info on the problems with Excel, 1, 2, 3, 4.

One of many

At the time of the original large fungus discoveries, I recall that the largest living organism was considered to be a tree. Actually, grove of aspen trees that all shared the same roots.

When the aspen trees were discovered, they replaced some giant sequoia which had long been considered both the largest and fastest growing organism on earth.

There is a great PDF (HTML version) of a research paper by Jeff Kato and Ryan Zojonc on all the issues of massive multiplayer gaming systems and leagues and why/when/what security breaches have occured and could occur in the future.

Why do people attack games?
- To get private info about others
- They pirate a game and want to play it online
- To get credit card numbers
- To cheat
- To delete others' characters

http://www.onid.orst.edu/~haltera/swf/boobs.swf

- OMG look at these boobs by Kernobi

Here is the link

This is the type of thing that Einstein didn't like.

An alternate is known as the "pilot wave" (pdf) interpretation. It suggests that the wave and the particle are separate - the wave is actually a force, and the particle remains a discrete thing that's pulled by that force. When that force is split, the particle follows one force wave, and the other is empty - when you eventually measure it, you've really changed nothing.

What the nature of this force is, is left unclear, but it goes get rid of the dice-throwing god. Einstein didn't like this much either.

No, it was first discovered in 1993. But back then it was considered as anomaly. Now, the scientists figured out about what it is.

Here's a more detailed info.

http://www.onid.orst.edu/~boyechky/open.html

I would rather have my hard drive formatted. -S

" In order to reasonably support the people expected to make social security claims over the next thirty years, taxes would have to be doubled at a minimum. "

"The money is there."

No, this is why a new car today costs (on average) about $22,000 (US) whereas when I started driving in 1976 the average was closer to US$10,000.

I suspect that inflation has more to do with the issue. Given inflation since 1976 (PDF, sorry. You'll get similar numbers from other sources) cars are now proportionally cheaper. Assuming car prices moved exactly with inflation, your $10,000 car would now run $31,600. Naturally this cost saving is due to other reasons (more efficient manufacturing processes, cheaper foreign labor, newer and cheaper materials). Sure, adding safety features did increase the cost, but not by a huge margin.

Are there known hybrids/half-breeds can have normal fertility, as opposed to requiring a "miracle" to occur?

Here is an example . Most of the most widely used cereals are hybrids that breed true. However, from memory, I think that the number of chromosomes of triticale and similar hybrids is the sum of the number of chromosomes in the parent stock, not the average.

If the name triticale rings a bell it may be because Captain Kirk had to make an emergency delivery of QuadroTriticale in an old Star Trek episode.

> I'll go along, however, and speculate that they're not recouping their R&D costs at the moment

They are not supposed to recoup such gigantic R&D costs so soon. I don't know exactly what is the expected horizon for recouping investment in a totally new architecture, and moreover here not only Intel but HP too made huge investments.

Rather the point is that Intel can only hope to recoup such investments in any reasonable future -- because it has to keep investing in future generations to keep up with RISC developments -- if it counts on using its monopoly cash hoard to enable it to extend its monopoly on to the 64-bits arena, where it doesn't have a credible history.

That is an unfair advantage no other competitor has, partly because competitors where too stupid, partly because Intel pigbacked on Microsoft's OEM dominance and anticompetitive plots, partly because they have had their own anticompetitive plots like they used to kill Clipper and then break promises made to Intergraph, and finally they resorted to buy their most credible competition, the Alpha and the StrongARM.

I don't really care for Digital or ARM or IBM or Sun, because they have been stupid enough to let all this happen; but in the end it is bad for users because of high costs, high noise, and low performance.

> If dumping is illegal in domestic trade I'm sure Intel is selling just at or above actual costs of manufacture.

Unfortunately I don't think dumping is illegal internally. Europe could have a say here, since it imports its IPFs IA-32 and IA-64, but still this market is too dynamic for such legal proceedings. The point rather is that it is immoral, and companies should have immoral things they do sticking harder to them.

But mind you, they are probably more than recouping their manufacturing costs, high as they are. What they are certainly doing is burning a large part of their monopoly cash hoard by not recouping R&D, and that to try to extend that self same monopoly.

> However, Intel isn't a monopoly on the desktop. A little over a week ago AMD anounced it has about 19% market share.

IBM was considered a monopoly when it had 70% of its market, and then they had several major competitors. Intel now has around the same, and even less competitors.

> Just because it's their architecture that has a monopoly on the PC market doesn't mean that they have a monopoly.

Yes, it means. It is their architecture. They set the trends, they license their own competitors. Look at their current fight with VIA, and their attempts at blocking AMD in the courts. The only reason why they don't have 100% of that market is that they where too liberal with licensing in the 1.980's, but they are not repeating the "mistake" now. If they succeed with IPF IA-64, there will be little place left for the likes of AMD and VIA, and competition would dwindle even more, consequently technical excellence too.

That is why AMD is so keen on going forward with x86-64, even if it means perpetuating an inferior architecture: it is their only chance of survival, short of a total upheaval in the market that would make RISC popular again, presumably under GNU/Linux, and open opportunities for alternative chip designers and second-sources. Unfortunately that is not likely to happen soon, unless open systems suddenly become enforced again. But then perhaps they count on the x86-64 giving them the upper hand over Intel, thus enabling them to eventually push some RISC architecture as a migration path. I wouldn't count on it, though.

> Had you made the assertion before the Athlon, however, I would have been quite inclined to agree.

As I explained above, the IPF IA-64 is, among many other things, a plan to exclude AMD and other competitors. The Athlon as direct competition sure puts pressure on Intel, and so does the x86-64, but not enough to offset the dismissal of Clipper, MIPS, Alpha, PA-RISC and StrongARM as less direct but ultimately more fundamental competition.

> See, now you have to go and be a jerk. I hadn't read about VLIW, and thus EPIC's compiler optimizations not carrying forward generations. A simple pointing it out would have sufficed.

Sorry, I apologise.

> If you could supply a link with detail I would appreciate it.

Besides Digital's Alpha vs IA-64 paper I already supplied you, see a balanced view. It is hard to find good stuff nowadays, because since Intel's PR machine started grinded, Google results got swamped by hypings and "neutral" (bowdlerised) stuff. But if you spend some time looking and reading you will find more.

> Why Intel, upon aquiring a lot of the talent that went into Alpha, isn't going to do more to further what the Alpha had going is beyond me. Intel would have a hell of an offering if they extended the Alpha.

Basically it is a long time since Intel was an engineer-friendly place, most of the good talent left a long time ago. And even before Intel, Digital had already gone awry and lost many engineers, including the ones who went to AMD and made the Athlon.

Also, a mixture of Not-Invented-Here Syndrome, Featurism Complex and Control Freakism. With the Alpha, instead of only one partner (that's corporate Newspeak better translated into plain language as "People we need now but must stomp out in the future lest they become real competitors"), namely HP, they would have several: Digital/Compaq, HP, API, SamSung, IBM, Sun, SGI, ARM, etc. With IPF IA-64, they bought, neutralised or are cornering every one of them but IBM and Sun. Machiavelian.

> I don't think that at this stage you can classify the Itanium line as inferior.

I think that if you do your homework you will agree with me that it is inferior indeed. Not only the Itanium line but the whole EPIC concept as applied to general computing. VLIW in DSPs is more than fine enough.

> I see the Pentium 4 with a core voltage no higher than 1.75V and the G4 fixed at 1.8V.

Voltage by itself means only Intel has perfected their manufacturing process better than Motorola. Nothing about the architecture. And this with they having vastly superior resources, and with all Motorola recent missteps, is really either a compliment to Motorola or a pointing finger at Intel.

Now if you suppose that in a fair world Motorola (or IBM) would have Intel's resources to develop processes for such low voltages as Intel's, you would see PowerPC consuming even less power and consequently generating even less heat, and consequently less noise.

> I'm not sure I'd call it absurd to have a machine as powerful as the IA-32 line with power requirements at least in the neighborhood of where Apple's are.

The point here is that, even with much less development resources, the PowerPC architecture is so vastly superior that it still gives you a comparable product. Your comparison would have to take into account manufacturing processes to be valid. Just as a means of comparison, see that Apple machines are much silenter than PCs, by virtue of needing less cooling. That with having less advanced manufacturing.

in some other higher species. Most notably and frequently, in turkeys.

Near surface natural CO2 deposits (dry ice) have been discovered and found to be a huge danger to anything that comes around

Are you sure that those were CO2 deposits, and not methane hydrates?

I've never heard of undersea dry ice, although there are a few lakes like Lake Nyos that contain very large amounts of dissolved CO2, and have occasionally released large clouds of the gas (killing hundreds of people in the valley below).

Moreover, there is free and open-source implementations of those two visualizations: Treemap Java Library and Hypertree Java Library.

you will want to read these results

Man....My wife has taken several health classes, and the Atkins diet has come up in several of them. Its a Diet that has been around since the 70's. And most doctors/researchs/nutritionists agree that it is a bad thing. Check out What some people say. Basically it comes down to a starvation diet...you eat food, but not proper food. Just go to Rawanda for a couple of months.

Austria

ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake-iso/i586/ (Vienna)
Czech Republic

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-iso/i586/

ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/m andrake-iso/i586/ (Prague)
Estonia

ftp://ftp.aso.ee/pub/os/Linux/distributions/mandra ke-iso/i586/
France

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake-iso/i586/ (Lyon)

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake-iso/i586/ (Nancy)

ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandr ake-iso/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake-iso/i586/ (Toulouse)
Germany

ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandra ke-iso/i586/ (Esslingen)

ftp://ftp.join.uni-muenster.de/pub/linux/distribut ions/mandrake-iso/i586/ (Muenster)

ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/Mandrake-iso/i 586/ (bayreuth)
Hungary

ftp://ftp.linuxforum.hu/mirror/Mandrake-iso/i586/
Netherlands

ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/Man drake-iso/i586/

ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/M andrake-iso/i586/
Russia

ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/mandrake-iso/i586/ (Chernogolovka)
Sweden

ftp://ftp.chello.se/pub/Linux/Mandrake-iso/i586/

ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/os/mandrake-iso/i586/ (Dalarma)
Taiwan

ftp://linux.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/pub/Mandrake/mandrak e-iso/i586/
United Kingdom

ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/un ix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-iso/i586/ (Canterbury)
United States

ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake-iso/i586/ (NY)

ftp://ftp.orst.edu/pub/mandrake-iso/i586/ (Oregon)

ftp://ftp.software.umn.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/Mand rake-iso/i586/ (Minnesota)

ftp://helios.dii.utk.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandra ke-iso/i586/ (Tennessee)

ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake-iso/i586/ (Illinois)

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandra ke-iso/i586/

ftp://raven.cslab.vt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake-iso/i5 86/ (Virgina)

ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke-iso/i586/ (Hawaii)

Australia

ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Brisbane)
Austria

ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/Mandrake/8.2/ i586/ (Vienna)

ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Vienna)
Belgium

ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Costa Rica

ftp://ftp.ucr.ac.cr/pub/Unix/linux/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/
Czech Republic

ftp://ftp.cesnet.cz/OS/Linux/Mandrake/mandrake/8.2 /i586/ (Brno)

ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Brno)

ftp://klobouk.fsv.cvut.cz/pub/linux-mandrake/Mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (Prague)

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/m andrake/8.2/i586/ (Prague)

http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Brno)
Denmark

ftp://ftp.dkuug.dk/pub/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Koebenhavn)

ftp://ftp.sunsite.dk/mirrors/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Aalborg)
Estonia

ftp://ftp.aso.ee/pub/os/Linux/distributions/mandra ke/8.2/i586/
Finland

ftp://ftp.song.fi/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Espoo)
France

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Nancy)

ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distribu tions/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://ftp.info.univ-angers.fr/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Angers)

ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake /8.2/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://ftp.u-strasbg.fr/pub/linux/distributions/man drake/8.2/i586/ (Strasbourg)

ftp://linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Toulouse)
Germany

ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/ (Esslingen)

ftp://ftp.de.uu.net/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.fh-giessen.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i58 6/ (Giessen)

ftp://ftp.fh-wolfenbuettel.de/pub/os/linux/mandrak e/dist/8.2/i586/ (Wolfenbuettel)

ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Goettingen)

ftp://ftp.join.uni-muenster.de/pub/linux/distribut ions/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Muenster)

ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/Mandrake/ Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Munchen)

ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i5 86/ (Chemnitz)

ftp://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i 586/ (Clausthal)

ftp://ftp.uasw.edu/pub/os/linux/mandrake/dist/8.2/ i586/ (Wolfenbuettel)

ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i 586/ (bayreuth)

ftp://ftp.uni-kassel.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i58 6/ (Kassel)

ftp://ftp.uni-mannheim.de/systems/linux/mandrake/8 .2/i586/ (Mannheim)

ftp://ftp.vat.tu-dresden.de/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Dresden)

ftp://ramses.wh2.tu-dresden.de/pub/mirrors/mandrak e/8.2/i586/ (Dresden)

ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/ mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Aachen)
Greece

ftp://ftp.duth.gr/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Thrace)

ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Athens)
Hong Kong

ftp://ftp.wisr.eie.polyu.edu.hk/linux/mandrake/8.2 /i586/
Hungary

ftp://ftp.linuxforum.hu/mirror/Mandrake/8.2/i586/
Ireland

ftp://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Italy

ftp://bo.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Bologna)

ftp://ftp.edisontel.it/pub/Mandrake_Mirror/Mandrak e/8.2/i586/
Latvia

ftp://ftp.latnet.lv/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Netherlands

ftp://ftp.nl.uu.net/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/Man drake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/M andrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.wau.nl/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Wageningen)
Poland

ftp://ftp.ps.pl/mirrors/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Szczecin)

ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Gdansk)
Portugal

ftp://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/8. 2/i586/ (Coimbra)

ftp://tux.cprm.net/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/
Russia

ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Chernogolovka)
Singapore

ftp://ftp.singnet.com.sg/opensource/linux/Mandrake /8.2/i586/
Slovakia

ftp://spirit.profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/8.2/i586 / (Bratislava)
Spain

ftp://ftp.cesga.es/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Galicia)

ftp://ftp.cica.es/pub/Linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Sevilla)

ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandr ake/8.2/i586/
Sweden

ftp://ftp.chello.se/pub/Linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.chl.chalmers.se/pub/Linux/distributions/ Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Gothenburg)

ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/os/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Dalarma)
Switzerland

ftp://ftp.pcds.ch/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Neuhausen)

ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/mandrake/8.2/ i586/ (Zurich)
Taiwan

ftp://linux.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/pub/Mandrake/mandrak e/8.2/i586/

ftp://linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw/distributions/mandrak e/Mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/pub/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Turkey

ftp://ftp.ankara.edu.tr/pub/linux/dagitimlar/Mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (Ankara)
United Kingdom

ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/un ix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Canterbury)
United States

ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Georgia)

ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/ (Florida)

ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (NY)

ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (New Mexico)

ftp://ftp.orst.edu/pub/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Oregon)

ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/distributions/mandrake/8.2/i 586/ (Virginia)

ftp://ftp.umr.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/8.2/ i586/ (Missouri)

ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586 / (Indiana)

ftp://linux-cs.tccw.wku.edu/pub/linux/distribution s/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (WKU-Linux, Western Kentucky University)

ftp://mirror.aca.oakland.edu/linux/mandrake/8.2/i5 86/ (Michigan)

ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/Mandrak e/8.2/i586/ (Wisconsin)

ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Illinois)

ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Pensylvania)

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/

ftp://uml-pub.ists.dartmouth.edu/mirrors/ftp.mandr akesoft.com/pub/Mandrake/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (New Hampshire)

ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/ (Hawaii)

http://mandrake.dsi.internet2.edu/Mandrake/8.2/i58 6/ (For Internet2 academic institutions only)

I'll stick with sugar, in moderate quantities.

Of course there's always the caloric restriction that can theoretically extend life. Probably best to minimise sugar, but who wants to do that? Eat, drink and be merry?

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/dec97/moth12 97.htm Popular-style article
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/biopesticides/factsh eets/fs-generic_lep.htm very technical, EPA-oriented
http://www.wcrl.ars.usda.gov/cec/papers/jce93-9.ht m Article about an insect population simulation program.
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2174.html Using bt instead
http://fwie.fw.vt.edu/rhgiles/Trevey/Gypsy.htm Vermont, long piece, "gyplure"
http://www.orst.edu/instruction/bi301/chemcont.htm Dr. Pat Muir's notes for a college class, short, readable. Excerpt:
"The advantages of pheromone use include the facts that they:

* are nontoxic
* are biodegradable
* can be used at low concentrations
* are highly species specific

Hazards or difficulties associated with their use include the facts that:

* resistance to pheromones could potentially evolve (although it would then be difficult for insects to find mates!)
* it is expensive and takes a long time to achieve commercial production."
More than you wanted to know about gypsy moths

In reading up about this I found that some of the same people who don't like pesticides also don't like Bt and pheromones. You wonder how they're going to like a deforested Pacific Northwest if those moths get loose up there.

P.S. URL for the meetup

Here is a paper I had to write on the subject; it is in draft form as the class did not call for a final version.
Quantum Computing

I know, I posted this in my thread too. Oh well, I have karma to burn. Besides, I feel this is important enough to bring it to the top.