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Really? Because PalmOne is definitely not interested in growth markets at all, honestly!

They're still a big player in the PDA market, and it's in their best interests to milk that share for as long as possible.

The new Palms, like my Tungsten E, use the new Grafitti 2 system, not the superior Grafitti system. You can't end a word with the letter "l" that doesn't end a sentence (is followed by a space). You'll get a "t" instead. Infuriating.

I'm considering going back to G1 using these instructions.

While G2 might be better than selecting letters from a ten-button keypad, it's certianly a giant leap backwards from the original Grafitti.

They don't? Why are they selling bluetooth SDIO cards, then? Have a look here

It just is cheaper to buy a PDA with bluespoon built in than to pay through your nose for the SDIO card, unless you happen to have a used to be high end PDA that you absolutely want to have connected to something.

Other options are available as extras as well, such as cameras, WiFi-cards here and lotsa other stuff.

7 models is too many? Why, then, is Sony making so many different models of Clie? Why are cars sold in so many different models and configurations? Have you noticed how many different types of laptops you can buy these days? Nokia and competitors are offering way over 7 different models of cellphones all the time. Variety has a definite plus side: you can buy the one that suits your needs best. I would welcome a new cellphone that doesn't have games, calculators, multitudes of ringtones, background images and all that. I don't see why I need a color display to make a phone call or to receive one.

I think Palm is finally getting to the point where they are trying to give people what they want, meaning a choise. If you want a PDA with a camera inbuilt, you can get it but if you don't and all that.

Don;t be stupid, pick one and wait for it to show up in Palm's outlet store. At least then you are not paying the over inflated price.

where the answers are

Wou.. The other one zire 72 even had Bluetooth.. now where can I get these to test.

They have WiFi (including WEP-128, and a VPN client compatible with Poptop), a graphical SSL web browser, an email client, and can even do SSH2. It's an Xscale 400MHz based PDA, so it may even run Linux some day. :-)

If ones gets the Palm Keyboard they can have a full size keyboard in much smaller and extemely less weigth than any regular laptop. The batteries also last for a great deal longer. I got an m100 and the keyboard. Covers all my word processing needs

try a palm pilot, the palm portable keyboard, and something like pedit. seriously, for under $200 USD you can have a very functional word processing environment, and a whole lot more.

i used the palm keyboard for a while and was constantly amazed at both how portable it was (folding up to roughly the size of the palm pilot itself) and how much like a real keyboard it felt like.

try a palm pilot, the palm portable keyboard, and something like pedit. seriously, for under $200 USD you can have a very functional word processing environment, and a whole lot more.

i used the palm keyboard for a while and was constantly amazed at both how portable it was (folding up to roughly the size of the palm pilot itself) and how much like a real keyboard it felt like.

This product is outclassed before it even comes out. The same $399 (US) will buy you a PDA with double the resolution - either the Sony TH55 or a Palm Tungsten T3. Both have wireless networking built-in (Bluetooth for the Palm, Wi-Fi for the Sony).
Sony: TH55
Palm: Tungsten T3

So, if you're a dyed-in-the-wool, dreams-of-penguins fanatic who simply must have Linux in everything, go ahead. People who are looking for greatest bang for their buck will buy elsewhere.

Here you go. PalmOS up to version 5.x is basically the equivalent of MacOS 6 before the Multi-Finder. It's no accident...the people who wrote the PalmOS were former MacOS developers. A Palm, to me, feels like a Compact Mac shrunk down to a handheld size and weight.

Now if only I could make my m125 chime when I turn it on and make the generic Mac system beep when it encounters an error...

I don't mean to boast but I believe that I am one of only two researchers in this field. The other refuses to publish fearing that it may start more discussion of societal impact since the result of such discussions is mostly negative, at least according to his latest findings.

After three years of detailed questionaires and the use of various statistical models I have found that most people that discuss impacts of things on society fall into 4 categories.

Those that think the impact is negative, those that think the impact is positive, those that really don't think there was and impact at all, and finally by far the largest group is those that don't even know what you are talking about.

I have yet to find find any exceptions to this rule. Take any set of data points, the comments posted to this article for instance, and you will quickly see that each comment easily falls into one of the 4 categories.

Would anyone like to discuss the impact this research might have on their decision to make future posts to /. ?

http://www.palmone.com

...yeah. Bluetooth is dead.

So don't tell Apple. Or ANY of the folk who make PDAs and accessories with Bluetooth capabilities.

Out of curiosity, am I the only one who hadn't heard of "Wireless USB" before this article?

Hmmmm... Palm Desktop was built from the code for Claris Organizer. I wonder if Apple can reinvent that wheel, or buy back PD from Palm?

Palm Desktop is great, btw. I used it (it's a free D/L) for many months before I even bought a Palm.

What a nice bit of FUD. Go try any modern PPC device out in the stores, and you will be quite impressed with how much it has improved.

It is no longer Windows CE. I have seen older CE devices, and your complaints about them are fairly accurate. PPC2003 is quite improved.

Equating a Casio E-100 to a HP h4155 is like equating a Palm III to a Tungsten T3

The universal cradle interface is nothing more than USB pins, plus serial port pins, plus power pins (for the battery charger.) You may find this diagram of interest. Note that the only "circuitry" inside a cradle is a bunch of wires, a pushbutton and a resistor.

If you look at what's available today, you'll find that all but the cheapest models (Zire, Zire 21 and Tungsten E) still use the universal-connector and a USB cradle.

Along a similar idea, my Tungsten C can stream mp3 stations from Shoutcast with Pocket Tunes
Not hifi wifi but it's wild to see in action the first time...

Sure does take me back. Once again I can do...

10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
20 GOTO 10

OK, you're technically correct (they're no longer called "PalmPilots") but there are plenty of Palms that fit these requirements nicely. If you take exception to them being called "PalmPilots," well, then you're just picking nits.

If your point is that "Palm Pilot" is an outdated name for the devices now known as Palms or Palm Handhelds, then you'll be pleased to learn that the project site doesn't use the term "Palm Pilot."

Before you confuse people, though: the Zire 21, Zire 71, Tungsten E and Tungsten T2 models all have ARM processors and ship with Palm OS 5.x.

I love Graffiti. It's a quick and easy way to interface with a handheld without requiring a keyboard. This seems like an attempt to do something similar to the browsing experience.

Unfortunately it sounds like Graffiti is going away, mostly because people couldn't be bothered to learn it. Are mouse gestures intuitive enough to get people engaged that can't be bothered to learn Graffiti or set the clocks on their old VCRs?

I also use Kuuaki which is a program for the Tungsten W that lets you monitor your servers CPU, processes (web cgi dns etc) get a short TOP display, etc.

Works quite well as a solution and the PALM also lets me telnet in. The keyboard is useable and the W is very durable and web browsing works pretty well.

Off course, I may not be in the markedsegment a pda/phone/portable console is aimed at, but as I'm in the markedsegment that will end up paying for it, I feel that I got a right to say a few words...

A phone is for comunicating. Anythign beyond that is a 'bonus' feature. To comunicate, you don't need much in the way of screen nor sound - and I'm more than happy to keep my old Nokia 5110 until it dies, as it gives me both voice and SMS coupled with a longlasting batterylife. In short, it is a good phone even if its a tad large to hold in one hand and cradle against my cheek.

On the other hand, both gaming and a PDA simply screams for large screens, and gaming in particular needs a decent soundsystem. My Palm130 has a screen thats about 5cm square, while my GBA has a screen thats about 6cm by 4cm. The ergometricks of the PDA and the GBA is also radicaly different (the PDA is held in the palm of one hand whiel the other manipulate the stylus, while the GBA is held with both hands, letting ones thumbs do the playing).

Then there is the power of the processors and the batterylife to consider. You may or may not be right that a 'modern' phone is more powerfull than a GBA, but I has a hard time beliving it can outrun a PDA. So you'll have to build the phone around the processor requirering the most powerfull CPU, in other words the PDA-prosessor (unless you make a design with mutiple CPU's). This in turn means that you'll eat up your battery faster than fast - my old phone lasts five to six days between recharging, while I must rechage my PDA about every day (I do use it a lot). If my phone was powered by a PDA-prosessor, I fear I would have to recharge it several times a day (the phone is on all the time when all is said and done).

The point of this rant? The 'intergrtaded device' is a pipedream. The requirements for the portable console, the PDA and the phone are mutualy incompatible - the ergonomics alone means that compromises must be made. Better to keep them seperate I say - that way one of them can break wihtout leaving you completly without mobile computingpower as well.

ps: I've also noticed that while the mobile phone is banned on all flights, and most cabincrew asks you to turn your PDA off if it contains transmitters, no one has yet told me I need to shut my GBA off on long flights... not to mention that keeping them seperate allows me to pick and choose what to have along.

If I could, I'd make some kind of palm gaming application so that people could download ROMs of their favourite old-school games

Considering the the the latest Palm hardware runs a 400 MHz XScale processor, speed ought not to be a concern for emulation now. And the video display is something that a $100 handheld game unit won't be able touch.

Those who are tired of the snake & pong games on their cellphones might like to stick an emulator on this.

Maybe the real question is, "When will game devices start featuring PDA & phone functions?"

Adding a Bluetooth SD card will set you back around a hundred bucks. A bluetooth headset another hundred bucks. And that's assuming that the software will support the headset.

It reallly makes you think twice, doesn't it?

Are PDA CPUs up to 500 MHz yet?

Almost. (400 MHz for the new Palm T3)

-- Pete.

"t" and "k" are completely different

the unofficial strokes for "d" (backwards [shortcut]), "y" (Greek gamma) and "v" (backwards "v") don't work

"i" is now "l", etc ...

It looks a lot slower, too (requiring multiple strokes for several characters). Does anyone with one of these devices know if traditional Graffiti is supplied, is compatible or is possible to emulate? I've been thinking of replacing my old IIIx for a while now, and I've got to say that apart from the graffiti issue the T3 looks exceptionally nice (finally providing 320x480 and a virtual graffiti area :)

The Palm Tungsten C ($500) and Sony Clie UX-50 ($700) include Wi-Fi. High chip cost and battery consumption are the main reasons why Wi-Fi is not yet standard on your average PDA.

Wow, here's my recipe for industrial design of a DJ:

1 Part Palm Zire (case)
1 Part Apple Metal (face)
1 Part Apple iPod (screen)

Stir. Bake for 3 years. Serves 1.

What about the Palm Tungsten-W

Looks neat, I'd like to see a side by side with the Treo600....

The new name is characterized in two colors - deep red for the word "palm" and vibrant orange for "One," reflecting the subbrand colors for the company's Tungsten line of solutions for mobile professionals and business and its Zire line of solutions for consumers and multimedia enthusiasts, respectively. The lower-case treatment of the company name gives the word "palm" visual emphasis.
If you visit Palm's (whoops, palmOne's) product page you'll notice that they this is actually true, Zire is orange and Tungsten is red. It's too bad they look sorta garish when juxtaposed next to each other.

Zire 21, Tungsten E, and Tungsten T3 (that might be a spring release) are all lined up for release soon! At least palmone seems to be back on track.

Seen here.

So all this planning has resulted in:

1. A bad name - it's longer, ambiguous (is that Palmone as in Danone?) and loses much of the recognition factor. Just call the hardware company Palm and who cares what the OS company is called?
2. A truly nasty colour scheme This is not a pretty site (or sight).

Way to go Palm*.

In the graphical form of the name (which you can view on their web site) they
have chosen to use leetspeak in the form pa1mOne which seems to me to be a horrible mistake (it's also
worth knowing that palmOne did not buy the sites pa1mOne.com and pa1m0ne.com: pa1mone.com seems to have be
purchased by an employee of Palm just yesterday and does not take you to palmone.com :-)

The real mistake though is that should we be referring to the company is palmOne or pa1mOne? It's just
confusing for no reason. I mean you don't see Microsoft changing its name to M1cro$0ft just to look cool.

John.

I am waiting to see the effect on Palm and Hangspring Merger on wireless...

No joke, the new name of the Palm company that produces the hardware is called pa1mOne.

A new website ( http://www.palmOne.com ) is live today and features product information and support services previously available at http://www.palm.com .