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The good ones are ready to vote with their feet at a moments notice.

If you can trust Laszlo Bock's book, Work Rules: Insights from Inside Google (2015), Google had a very aggressive policy of matching compensation to achievement so as to retrain their best employees.

His comment on bands: if all the corporation in SV decide to trap people in bands, the best people will simply reprice themselves on the open market every two years. That said, the argument that you're exceptional probably doesn't make itself without a concerted push from the employee side.

No matter how progressive a shop might be, rarely is anyone going to force you to demand what you're worth. In fact, people in charge might make a concerted effort to ensure that no-one else ever helps you along by accident:

Newly unsealed documents show Steve Jobs' brutal response after getting a Google employee fired

Wikipedia editors revolt against board appointment of Arnnon Geshuri

Eric:

On this specific case, the sourcer who contacted this Apple employee should not have and will be terminated within the hour. We are scrubbing the sourcerâ(TM)s records to ensure she did not contact anyone else.

In general, we have a very clear "do not call" policy (attached) that is given to every staffing professional and I reiterate this message in ongoing communications and staffing meetings. Unfortunately, every six months or so someone makes an error in judgment, and for this type of violation we terminate their relationship with Google.

Please extend my apologies as appropriate to Steve Jobs. This was an isolated incident and we will be very careful to make sure this does not happen again.

Thanks,
Arnnon

This finally got back to Steve, who affixed a happy face, and passed it along to the unindicted co-conspirators within his own HR department.

I have this as item #3 on my list of "Top Geek Myths".

Counterargument: People don't submit to perceived tyranny because their material stuff got destroyed; rather, the opposite.

Also: "What robot soldiers could do is just as scary, though: Make outright colonialism a practical option again." War Nerd, 2014.

When you couldn't even get Google in 2014 to roll out it fiber network in your city, despite SF being the techno capital of the US, and instead choosing cities like Chattanooga, TN, then you know that the municipal gov is too much of a pain to deal with.
https://pando.com/2014/02/25/having-being-burned-once-before-google-wont-bring-fiber-to-san-francisco/

The fact that four South Bay cities are among the 34 announced on Wednesday suggests that there’s something about San Francisco specifically, not California generally, that’s keeping Fiber away. And there is: Google knows San Francisco too well -- and it’s been burned here before.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-stalling-Wi-Fi-plans-Google-executive-2551901.php

In an interview with The Chronicle, Chris Sacca, who leads Google's special projects, voiced frustration with what he called the city's slow negotiating style. Sacca said that talks to come up with a final contract have advanced little since they started and that officials have made unreasonable demands, including a request for free computers and a share in revenues. "Every meeting is like the first," he said. >

Can't find anything directly spelling it out, but the company hired to gather signatures, APC, apparently has an illustrious history of misleading people into signing petitions.

https://pando.com/2015/07/03/j...

Follow the money, corporations aren't the only ones doing it.

I agree, but please keep in mind that there is more to Tor exploits than this one. For instance:

The hacker group appears to be attempting to dominate Tor's relays to the point where it can comprise anonymity. Tor keeps you anonymous by bouncing your communications around a network of volunteer nodes. But if one group is controlling the majority of the nodes, it could be able to eavesdrop on a substantial number of vulnerable users. Which means Lizard Squad could gain the power to track Tor users if it infiltrates enough of the network.
So far, they have already established over 3000 relays, nearly half of the total number. That's very not good.

https://pando.com/2014/12/26/i...

Hahahahahaha.

You know what the result of every single "internal investigation" is, right? "No evidence of wrongdoing".

Uber's entire schtick is a PR charade to cast aspersions on a woman for pointing out their misogynistic culture.

Fun fact: all of the boys here loudly whining about "evidence" will take the results of Uber's "internal investigation" completely at face value despite having zero proof of their own.

The immediate problem for Uber is compounded by having Arianna Huffington on the board. It would be a major loss of face to her to be associated with a coverup on this.

Hahahahahaha.

You know what the result of every single "internal investigation" is, right? "No evidence of wrongdoing".

Uber's entire schtick is a PR charade to cast aspersions on a woman for pointing out their misogynistic culture.

Fun fact: all of the boys here loudly whining about "evidence" will take the results of Uber's "internal investigation" completely at face value despite having zero proof of their own.

Crushing a media organization under the power of one's wallet is NOT standing up for free speech. Even if it's a shitty company that was actually just used as a pawn for other rich people.I'm torn between celebrating this as a great victory and mourning it as a blow to an important pillar of society. Gawker wasn't just shitty for its hypocrisy on a variety of topics but for some seriously evil acts, not the least of which are directly related to the lawsuits at hand. In the end all I can say is I'm glad it's over and the world has a moment's rest before a "crowd funded" Totally-Not-Gawker picks up the pieces and starts spewing vileness again.

Jacob Appelbaum has already shown himself to be a massive dick by launching smear campaigns against critics, so he starts out with one strike against his credibility.

Who needs the FBI/NSA to conduct a smear operation when you've got smear merchants in residence?

How leading Tor developers and advocates tried to smear me after I reported their US Government ties

Take Tor developer Andrea Shepard. As soon as my story went live, Shepard responded with a torrent of childish insults, calling me “Pandofilth” and “Yasha the Foul,” a “statist propagandist," a "fucktard's fucktard." Shepard accused me of being funded by spooks, and ranted on and on about the various ways in which she said I had performed sexual favors for a male colleague. She hurled similar childish abuse at anyone she caught commenting positively about my article. When readers suggested to Shepard that she should instead offer a point-by-point rebuttal of my article, rather that swearing and insulting at anyone who mentioned it, she responded that my article wasn't worth the effort of rebutting (only insulting), and that I don't deserve to live:

@Raed667 @headhntr Yasha Levine doesn't merit that kind of effort. Frankly, he doesn't merit *oxygen*.

— Andre (@puellavulnerata) July 18, 2014

Andrea seems easily able to launch into baseless smears against people who've gone up against her.

"As if Google, with Eric Schmidt at the helm, who also works for the DoJ, would really allow you to to get private and practically unbreakable end-to-end-encryption."

Google seems to be rapidly destroying itself. One article: Google investors sue Page, Schmidt over $500M settlement with DOJ

Another: Revealed: Apple and Google's wage-fixing cartel involved dozens more companies, over one million employees.

Tor was created by the US government, not for privacy but for freedom of political and cultural speech under oppressive regimes.

No. Tor was created to let CIA use public infrastructure without being detected. More data and this interview

An undercover spook sitting in a hotel room in a hostile country somewhere couldn’t simply dial up CIA.gov on his browser and log in — anyone sniffing his connection would know who he was. Nor could a military intel agent infiltrate a potential terrorist group masquerading as an online animal rights forum if he had to create an account and log in from an army base IP address.

The United States government can’t simply run an anonymity system for everybody and then use it themselves only. Because then every time a connection came from it people would say, ‘Oh, it’s another CIA agent.’ If those are the only people using the network.

Quickly realized that only technically anonymizing traffic was not enough — not if the system was being used exclusively by military and intelligence. In order to cloak spooks effectively, Tor needed to be used by a diverse group of people: activists, students, corporate researchers, soccer moms, journalists, drug dealers, hackers, child pornographers, foreign agents, terrorists — the more diverse the group, the better the spooks could hide in the crowd in plain sight.

So what's Tor for

• It's original goal: Cloaks the online identity of government agents while they are in the field. And the rest of this stuff — the online protection of activists, dissidents, journalists, criminals, etc. The more diverse the group, the better.
• A, a trap, a honeypot for other countries intelligence, but they are not that stupid, so finally it's a honeypot for activist against USA.
• A way to allow activists against non-friend governments.
• Friend oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, Morocco,new Egyptian Regime etc , get information about dissidents from Tor thanks to USA's Tor honeypot.

So the DOD is having Carnegie attack TOR to improve its security?

And the community will be notified of found vulnerabilities, right?

The DOD is the Tor community.

The felon usage of Tor is a recent event, incidental beneficiaries of the technology. This does put Tor at odds with FBI and local police some of the time, but the existence of a useful Tor network is generally seen as more important than catching every single druggy who uses it.

Onion routing vs Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... would show that in a nation every packet in and out can be reconciled.
The US gov origins and fronts for funding for onion routing to help US backed NGO's, spies, freedom groups, color revolutions.
https://pando.com/2014/07/16/t...
As for the NSA, GCHQ? Why would anything the US gov created be left out of their reach? Collect it all is the mission. A lot of nations globally have given or got asked or offered to share their entire telco systems and networks with the US and UK. Hard to escape that computer power and shared bases, collection sites.

The next question is US state and federal law enforcement budgets, if onion routing fails at that low cost, any well funded nation can do the same.
How?
Equipment interference ie getting bespoke gov malware to the user via some induced interaction seems to be the method thats hinted at.
The vocal supporters of onion routing will push news that the method as designed is still good but more and more open court sessions show issues surrounding real ip's been discovered on a per case funding level. Federal police can pay the costs per year, per case thats lower than spy budgets with billions to spend on contractors.
If the method offered cant secure all packets in and out of a computer network, OS, a real ip will leak.
A link thats a trap or expensive total network overview, the result of an ip leak is the same.

Why -1 this guy? They're idiots .. They're so late to the BIG DATA party that the dance is almost over, legislations google is facing ala https://pando.com/2013/12/16/g... http://www.consumerwatchdog.or... Is true for ms(with win10) or apple as well. The whole business model of windows10, big-data-ads up your arse is a dying concept. When has ms NOT been late to the party? Kind of their catch frase "late to the party" is it not.

There's no maybe. Google it. Or check Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor#History.
Or read this (referenced on the Wikipedia page) https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/...

The War Nerd: More proof the US defense industry has nothing to do with defending America

Tor is an example of a highly funded CIA project that can be used to find your real identity

Gee, would that ever happen?

I mean, you'd have to have damning emails floating around, which I'm sure would lead to a major scandal. But of course, this was huge news all over the major media.

(Or maybe it wasn't...)

Gee, would that ever happen?

I mean, you'd have to have damning emails floating around, which I'm sure would lead to a major scandal. But of course, this was huge news all over the major media.

(Or maybe it wasn't...)

The War Nerd on well, war, Scott Greenfield on (mostly criminal) law, and Ken White on law and privacy.

Why do you assume that just because I did a poor job at imitating a Southern accent that it was "ebonics?" Frankly, I was trying to use the character Huckleberry Finn's dad as a reference, and apparently mixed things up *shrug*.

And why would making fun of someone crying that one state government won't be flying the symbol of those who committed treason in defense of chattel slavery cause you to support said crybaby? I, personally, think that the retailers have gone overboard. I would love for every ignorant f*ck who thinks the South rebelled for any reason other than to maintain its "peculiar institution," and wants to support that banner of savage traitors, to wear it willingly. That way they'll have a nice, big, scarlet letter that will let everyone else know that they're somewhere between ignorant fools and bigoted scum.

Angry rant over.

Have a link to an image and a post that sum up how I feel about the only things that make "Southern" culture distinct from American culture. Excerpt from the post:

"That was Sherman’s advice to the South before the war even began. And he was, as usual, absolutely right. But he was talking like a grown-up to people who didn’t want to think like adults. Their whole society was based on horrible lies—“a bad cause to start with”—which gave them a deep aversion to cold truths. So they stuffed themselves, as Mark Twain said, with copious doses of the worst “chivalrous” nonsense they could find, like Walter Scott’s pseudo-medieval novels, and went off to cause the biggest slaughter of their fellow Americans in history, a body-count far higher than the sum total of all Americans killed in all wars with other countries."

In short, the issue of corruption in Russia is typically raised by the people (Browder, etc.) who used to like corruption in that country when it benefited them. Which strongly suggests that they actually care about their lost revenue.

It's detailed in a recent article by Mark Ames -- an American who has actually lived in 1990s in Russia (and ran a local English-language newspaper) and who sheds some light on Browder's past attitudes regarding corruption in Russia.

http://pando.com/2015/05/17/ne...

All the good people on the Web who have suddenly started to worry about Russia, take some interest in learning about 1990s in that country. It's the best part of the story which provides the context for understanding the current affairs.

Almost everyone involved in developing Tor was (or is) funded by the US government

Why are we not investing in the education of Americans so they can be the 'replacement workers'?

Part of the perfect lie that is STEM is that only a few people need training to perform manufacturing tasks. And for those few that do need some additional skills on the job training works great. Apprenticeships are alive and well in China. It does not take much looking under the rug to see the dirt, and it's everywhere. When Apple was making the first version of their iphone over in China at Foxcon they were hiring workers on a daily basis straight off from the rural farms. They were not turning anyone away.

How much training did those workers have?? Apple seemed to make do with them.

But I do not remember any widespread training in the US for those same jobs. Instead everybody was jacking their stock price higher than ever while Apple et al said that they did not have enough trained workers. Everybody wants to look the other way because they want to think that it is a shiny miracle - not the disparagement of the tech workforce that it really turned out to be at every corner.

The workers that they did have stateside they found a way to collude with other tech giants in order to control salaries. Other degreed and experienced engineers like Eric Saragoza they merely sloughed off. Nobody was going to hire him at his age when there was a giant surplus of workers looking for work even before the great recession. Merely because of how companies like Apple were able to export tech work to both India and China and eveywhere in between.

I really do not know how any stateside tech worker can buy an Apple product especially under Tim Cook, because they are actually helping to fund the demise of there own career.

So H1Bs are really just one piece of the larger puzzle used to help control the prices they are willing to pay for skilled labor in the US. When they say youngsters need to study STEM, what there really are saying is;

"we want to keep wages completely stagnant and you can help us do that by paying for your own training so we can get rid of older workers. But if you do not show up that works for us too, because we'll just get cheap H1Bs as they're easy to train and won't ask for raises. If they do, we'll just have some under the table agreements and they'll have no place to go. They can train their own replacement if they become too much of a hassle. Oh, math and physics majors, don't bother applying because you're not in our salary range either. We'll just say you're stupid and can't handle tech."

I could go on, but that's the gist of it. The really smart Electrical Engineers went to wall street and became successful quants. So at least one industry culture needed and saw the value in skills that could be transferred.

Seven Year Old San Francisco Girl Struck and Killed By Uber Driver; Uber Denies Responsibility http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/...

Boston Uber Driver Charged with indecent Assault and Battery http://www.bostonglobe.com/met...

Off-Duty LA Uber Driver Accused of Sexual Assault http://www.bizjournals.com/los...

Chicago Uber Driver With Felony Conviction Charged With Battery For Allegedly Hitting Passenger http://www.forbes.com/sites/el...

Writer and Activist Reports Being Choked in DC; Uber Denies The Event and Responsibility http://valleywag.gawker.com/ub...

DC Uber Driver Allegedly Assaults Customer for Burping http://www.washingtoncitypaper...

San Francisco Uber Customer Claims Abuse and Assault by Uber Driver (Pando) http://pando.com/2013/11/25/ub...

Passenger Struck In Head With Hammer by UberX Driver http://www.forbes.com/sites/el...

Uber Driver Pulls Gun on Valet in Atlanta http://pando.com/2014/09/08/at...

Uber Driver Punches Passenger in Oklahoma http://newsok.com/oklahoma-cit...

Lyft Driver Attacks Pedestrian in San Francisco http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news...

Lyft Driver Brandishes Knife in Los Angeles http://www.laweekly.com/2013-0...

Uber Customer Sues for $2M over Alleged Driver Stabbing in DC http://dcinno.streetwise.co/20...

DC Uber Driver Allegedly Rapes Customer http://betabeat.com/2013/03/ub...

Uber Driver Charged with Fondling Passenger in Chicago http://valleywag.gawker.com/ub...

DC Uber Driver Arrested for Alleged Rape But Not Charged Despite Strong Evidence http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Another DC Uber Driver Accused of Molesting Uber Rider http://valleywag.gawker.com/an...

Passenger Struck In Head With Hammer by UberX Driver http://www.forbes.com/sites/el...

Uber Driver in India Accused of Rape http://www.bbc.c

Seven Year Old San Francisco Girl Struck and Killed By Uber Driver; Uber Denies Responsibility http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/...

Boston Uber Driver Charged with indecent Assault and Battery http://www.bostonglobe.com/met...

Off-Duty LA Uber Driver Accused of Sexual Assault http://www.bizjournals.com/los...

Chicago Uber Driver With Felony Conviction Charged With Battery For Allegedly Hitting Passenger http://www.forbes.com/sites/el...

Writer and Activist Reports Being Choked in DC; Uber Denies The Event and Responsibility http://valleywag.gawker.com/ub...

DC Uber Driver Allegedly Assaults Customer for Burping http://www.washingtoncitypaper...

San Francisco Uber Customer Claims Abuse and Assault by Uber Driver (Pando) http://pando.com/2013/11/25/ub...

Passenger Struck In Head With Hammer by UberX Driver http://www.forbes.com/sites/el...

Uber Driver Pulls Gun on Valet in Atlanta http://pando.com/2014/09/08/at...

Uber Driver Punches Passenger in Oklahoma http://newsok.com/oklahoma-cit...

Lyft Driver Attacks Pedestrian in San Francisco http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news...

Lyft Driver Brandishes Knife in Los Angeles http://www.laweekly.com/2013-0...

Uber Customer Sues for $2M over Alleged Driver Stabbing in DC http://dcinno.streetwise.co/20...

DC Uber Driver Allegedly Rapes Customer http://betabeat.com/2013/03/ub...

Uber Driver Charged with Fondling Passenger in Chicago http://valleywag.gawker.com/ub...

DC Uber Driver Arrested for Alleged Rape But Not Charged Despite Strong Evidence http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Another DC Uber Driver Accused of Molesting Uber Rider http://valleywag.gawker.com/an...

Passenger Struck In Head With Hammer by UberX Driver http://www.forbes.com/sites/el...

Uber Driver in India Accused of Rape http://www.bbc.c

The US won against Germany and Japan while obeying the Geneva convention. Japan did expressly not, Germany at least to some extend.

The US did not obey the Geneva convention at Abu Ghraib.

Not playing by the rules worked out just swimmingly for you, didn't it?

Now for the first time the US finally faces an enemy that really makes America good look in comparison. And they are also morons that can be easily defeated.

But no ... for America's learning challenged winning the heart and minds is never an option, even in a beauty contest with barbarians from the 9th circle of hell.

The other question is a Tails https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... or Whonix (Tor anonymity network, Debian GNU/Linux and security by isolation) https://www.whonix.org/
That would in theory contain any more direct ip requests sent from any site or network.
Re "how would anyone with a basic understanding of networking not see?"
funded by the US government (16, 2014)
http://pando.com/2014/07/16/to...
The parallel construction that still seems to hold up is the sending of a page or code to show the real ip that always seems to leak out.

War Nerd captures the truth about the F35 very, very well. Read it and learn.

Stealth is also trivially countered for very low cost - basically all stealth planes are über-expensive sitting ducks. It's not just planes but fancy semi-stealthy ships with expensive ECM that can be completely neutralized because they are so out of date. BTW I used to be very intimately involved in designing weapons systems like this and the solution is not more technology at higher prices because it's not really possible to keep up to date with the way the Pentagon runs programs. Instead it would be wise (yet probably impossible) to fall back and analyze what the actual threats and missions really are and decide soberly and with full humility what really gets the job done for the cheapest price. Basically what War Nerd says about the A10 vs. F35. It won't happen that way though.

"More proof the US defense industry has nothing to do with defending America"

http://pando.com/2014/12/18/the-war-nerd-more-proof-the-us-defense-industry-has-nothing-to-do-with-defending-america/

more info on the pork: http://pando.com/2014/12/18/th...

You might want to go read this:
http://pando.com/2014/11/17/th...

Back in 2012, Paul Carr first raised serious concerns about the company’s view that both riders and drivers are disposable commodities in an all-out Randian battle to maximize profits. He uninstalled the app when he wrote that piece, and he started a drumbeat of press around these concerns.

Then, in 2014, Carmel DeAmicis exposed that an Uber driver accused of assault had a criminal record that should have been uncovered by the background checks Uber claimed to do. She further documented a “blame the passenger” culture at the company when such complaints came up.

It started to snowball: An investigation at The Verge exposed cut throat competitive tactics that the company has taken against its primary competitor Lyft.

Then, a few weeks ago, I wrote a story about the outrageous sexism woven deeply into the culture of the company. We’ve seen it in the company’s PR team discrediting female passengers who accuse drivers of attacking them by whispering that they were “drunk” or “dressed provocatively.”

We’ve seen it in CEO Travis Kalanick’s comments that he calls the company “boober” because of all the tail he gets since running it.

http://pando.com/2014/07/16/to... (JULY 16, 2014)

Pretty sad how they reacted to this article also.

http://pando.com/2014/07/16/to... (JULY 16, 2014)

Remember, always, that TOR gets a significant amount of its funding from the US government. The TOR top people get a significant amount of their money for the US government. TOR is not an open-project. http://pando.com/2014/07/16/to... http://pando.com/2014/11/14/to...

Remember, always, that TOR gets a significant amount of its funding from the US government. The TOR top people get a significant amount of their money for the US government. TOR is not an open-project. http://pando.com/2014/07/16/to... http://pando.com/2014/11/14/to...

The premise of this is wrong. It was never meant to be secure, or for public use.

Built for spooks, by spooks. Public use is just a way to hide the spooky within the child porn.

http://pando.com/2014/07/16/to...

Of course the very rich never use the equivalent of what they are paid. They will only eat the same number of meals per day. But they are crashing the economy and causing severe distortions in the economy. See the great banned TED Talk: Nick Hanauer "Rich people don't create jobs"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Of course Travis Kalanick espouses the great "free market" and is attempting everything he can to exploit income inequality and steal even more from the middle class. Rumor has it he is even working on a new company to have people bid their salary as a auction to get reservations at "fancy" restaurants.

Seriously who names their company Uber, charges more money for the same service, and complains whenever his multinational company is being pushed around as if he is some kind of fucking underdog. These people have no empathy and no shame. They are borderline sociopaths with a mobile app. And they make no attempt to hide this. Give money to Uber and you will support more income inequality. This guy is no better then the CEOs of Enron or BP. Do you really want to give them a cut of the money you spend on food?

Travis Shrugged: The creepy, dangerous ideology behind Silicon Valley’s Cult of Disruption
http://pando.com/2012/10/24/tr...

(Yes, Pando hates Uber, but they are probably the only site that criticizes them. Their coverage is worth a read for an actual alternative opinion).

That's nice in theory, but in practice it has problems which we are already starting to see with services like Uber.

The biggest problem is that the company that maintains the ratings also makes money from the people being rated. That is a conflict of interest with all kinds of opportunities for exploitation. For example, Uber is now forcing drivers of its premium service to also accept cheap fares, even if it is a money-loser for those drivers. On the flip side you have Angie's List which charges businesses for premium listings - they can pay to be at the top of the list even if their ratings are inferior to non-paying businesses. Yelp has similar problems charging businesses for the right to respond to reviews. These sorts of problems aren't new, the Better Business Bureau uses complaints to sell memberships to businesses because member businesses get unresolved complaints expired while complaints against non-members are permanent.

You dont need to wonder, you need to read:

http://pando.com/2014/03/22/re...

http://pando.com/2014/01/23/th...

Some estimates put it as high as $9 billion.

This wasn't just about cold calling. The chilling effects were far more reaching. It's just that the documented evidence only referred specifically to cold calling, so that is what can be proved. In reality this was much more of a "gentleman's agreement" and it had the effect of driving down wages at dozens of large companies possibly affecting ~1 million workers. If you think it stopped with just poaching and had no other effect, you are being naive. Google actually had to raise some salaries due to Facebook not participating.

Here are just some of the companies involved:
  Google
  Apple, Inc
  Comcast Corporation
  DoubleClick
  Genentech
  IBM Corporation (Junior hires okay—also applies to subsidiaries)
  Illumita
  Intel Corporation
  Intuit
  Microsoft
  Oglivy
  WPP
  AOL, Inc.
  Ask.com
  Clear Channel Communications, Inc.
  Dell, Inc.
  Earthlink, Inc
  Virgin Media, Inc. (Formerly NTL, Inc.)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2136...

http://pando.com/tag/techtopus...

You dont need to wonder, you need to read:

http://pando.com/2014/03/22/re...

http://pando.com/2014/01/23/th...

Some estimates put it as high as $9 billion.

This wasn't just about cold calling. The chilling effects were far more reaching. It's just that the documented evidence only referred specifically to cold calling, so that is what can be proved. In reality this was much more of a "gentleman's agreement" and it had the effect of driving down wages at dozens of large companies possibly affecting ~1 million workers. If you think it stopped with just poaching and had no other effect, you are being naive. Google actually had to raise some salaries due to Facebook not participating.

Here are just some of the companies involved:
  Google
  Apple, Inc
  Comcast Corporation
  DoubleClick
  Genentech
  IBM Corporation (Junior hires okay—also applies to subsidiaries)
  Illumita
  Intel Corporation
  Intuit
  Microsoft
  Oglivy
  WPP
  AOL, Inc.
  Ask.com
  Clear Channel Communications, Inc.
  Dell, Inc.
  Earthlink, Inc
  Virgin Media, Inc. (Formerly NTL, Inc.)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2136...

http://pando.com/tag/techtopus...

You dont need to wonder, you need to read:

http://pando.com/2014/03/22/re...

http://pando.com/2014/01/23/th...

Some estimates put it as high as $9 billion.

This wasn't just about cold calling. The chilling effects were far more reaching. It's just that the documented evidence only referred specifically to cold calling, so that is what can be proved. In reality this was much more of a "gentleman's agreement" and it had the effect of driving down wages at dozens of large companies possibly affecting ~1 million workers. If you think it stopped with just poaching and had no other effect, you are being naive. Google actually had to raise some salaries due to Facebook not participating.

Here are just some of the companies involved:
  Google
  Apple, Inc
  Comcast Corporation
  DoubleClick
  Genentech
  IBM Corporation (Junior hires okay—also applies to subsidiaries)
  Illumita
  Intel Corporation
  Intuit
  Microsoft
  Oglivy
  WPP
  AOL, Inc.
  Ask.com
  Clear Channel Communications, Inc.
  Dell, Inc.
  Earthlink, Inc
  Virgin Media, Inc. (Formerly NTL, Inc.)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2136...

http://pando.com/tag/techtopus...

Oh get fucked asshole, this isn't about playing fair and providing jobs, its about corporate profits: http://pando.com/2014/03/22/re...

It looks like Google's CEO Eric Schmidt was the main point person on their side. This story has excerpts from a good number of the emails.

However it appears Jobs was the instigator. Schmidt appears not to have attempted to organize a no-poaching pact, but instead just agreed to one when Jobs, in kind of angry language, demanded one. Not sure if that makes a legal difference, but Jobs's actions certainly come across as worse, since they were a more deliberate attempt to create a cartel, while Schmidt seems to have played a more passive role in agreeing to the cartel's formation.

From some of the emails linked above, Meg Whitman of eBay also appears to be on the initiating side, though, calling Schmidt to complain about Google recruiter practices. Unlike Jobs she seems to have had slightly more good sense in not phrasing this quite as blatantly as a demand, but merely a complaint.

There is more that one way to skin this cat. Refusing to do anything about it because panic, which summarizes the solution that you seem to think is the only one is just one solution. Here's another http://pando.com/2014/04/09/my... there are others, if you look.

After Google CEO Eric Schmidt informed Steve Jobs that a Google recruiter had been terminated for not-getting-with-the-do-not-poach-program, Jobs responded by e-mailing only an evil 'smiley' to Apple's head of HR.

Ah, but who are the "takers"?

Maybe this will help a little: http://pando.com/2014/02/26/fo...

You may find this interesting if you haven't seen it already-- http://pando.com/2013/12/16/bi...

Its worrying that mining becomes exponentially harder as time goes on. But it appears to already be something of an environmental disaster.