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PowerLeap should sue.The new tagline will be 'Leap Ahead', replacing the 10 year old 'Intel Inside'.
PowerLeap, maker of Intel CPU upgrade kits, should sue.
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3.4 / 3.0 = 1.1333..., a mere 13% increase
Besides this test being ridiculously comprehensive, did anybody else notice the stat differences between the P$ 3.0 Ghz - 3.4 Ghz?3.4 - 3.0 = 0.4
is not so important here as is3.4 / 3.0 = 1.1333...
which is a mere 13% increase.I didn't bother to RTFA, so tell me: Did Intel achieve anywere near a 13% increase in performance? 10%? 6.5%? 5%?
Also, remember that early versions of the P4 were MUCH slower than the P3 at the same clock speeds [owing to all that increased pipelining]. And note also that the P3 continues to retain something of a cult status among hardcore skinflints; compare e.g. the PowerLeap PL-iP3T and PL-P3SMP. Finally, there is a persistent fascination with low-voltage, low-heat versions of the chip, which were originally marketed towards laptops, but are now drawing a lot of interest from embedded/blade/appliance manufacturers.
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3.4 / 3.0 = 1.1333..., a mere 13% increase
Besides this test being ridiculously comprehensive, did anybody else notice the stat differences between the P$ 3.0 Ghz - 3.4 Ghz?3.4 - 3.0 = 0.4
is not so important here as is3.4 / 3.0 = 1.1333...
which is a mere 13% increase.I didn't bother to RTFA, so tell me: Did Intel achieve anywere near a 13% increase in performance? 10%? 6.5%? 5%?
Also, remember that early versions of the P4 were MUCH slower than the P3 at the same clock speeds [owing to all that increased pipelining]. And note also that the P3 continues to retain something of a cult status among hardcore skinflints; compare e.g. the PowerLeap PL-iP3T and PL-P3SMP. Finally, there is a persistent fascination with low-voltage, low-heat versions of the chip, which were originally marketed towards laptops, but are now drawing a lot of interest from embedded/blade/appliance manufacturers.
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Re:Umm...
A really reasonable upgrade for that machine is to grab yourself an adapter from Powerleap. I had an old Dell P3 450, bought just the adapter from Powerleap (Slot 1 to Socket 370) for like $60, and a 1.4 GHz Celeron (Tualatin core) from Newegg for like $50, and had a $110 upgrade that breathed new life into that old machine. I did all this about a year ago, so prices might be a bit cheaper now. You can get the adapters from Powerleap with procs already installed, but you save some $$$ doing it yourself. Also, a 7200rpm harddrive will really speed things up for you. Oh, don't forget to flash your BIOS to recognize the Celeron.
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Re:Pentium 4 Emergency Edition
Makes ya wonder whether a company such as Powerleap might come out with a CPU adapter to support it. For a long time the Athlon MP series offered the only affordable SMP solution, especially if like me you found a pair of Athlon XPs which worked happily in SMP mode.
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Re:I'm sure retailers will love this.
I would have modded you down, but I didn't think that that would properly convey my reaction to this statement, which is : fuck you.
Good answer. Aside from overclocking, this device (much like similar ones available from Evergreen Technologies and Powerleap) will allow people to continue upgrading a PC that had previously maxxed-out its CPU upgrade options, thus reducing waste and generally being a good thing. And you want to label these people as liars and thieves. You just gained another foe. -
slot 1 upgradesafter searching and contacting vendors, i finally found a slot-1, 800mhz coppermine(100 fsb).
Even if you were dead set on upgrading only the CPU, you still could have gotten a better deal at powerleap. They sell 1.2ghz/100mhz slot-1 for $129.
You do have to check your motherboard for compatibility on their list, but most motherboards will work fine with it.
And no, I'm not getting paid to say this--in fact I actually dislike how powerleap uses patents to lock out competitors from the slot-1 upgrade market. But as far as their product goes I've been using the 1.2ghz upgrade for over a year now and it has worked absolutely flawlessly.
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Re:Fun with Upgrades
Upgrades are a fun loophole. You could upgrade the same PC forever thanks to the efforts of www.powerleap.com and www.evertech.com.
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Possible solution and directions to go from here.Maybe you should do a little Google search.
The first link that returns is an old kernel patch, specifically for enabling the L2 cache on a Celeron, although with "powerleap", whatever that is. That is something to try though, just make sure you have a backup kernel to boot from.
Also, there was a post to lkml with a similar question here without a solution.
If you don't find a solution, the best place to post isn't slashdot but to LKML.
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cost effectiveness of bleeding edgeWhile 3+GHz might be overkill right now, is it overkill few years down the road?
In most cases, it is far more cost effective to buy what you need for the moment, and upgrade later after
- prices have dropped,
- you actually need the upgrade.
Of course, if you actually need the Xeon right now then you should get it, but buying in anticipation of future needs makes no sense to me when prices are falling so fast.
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Re:I'd love to upgrade my CPU, but...Just make sure you get a non-Tualitan version
Actually, a little known secret is that there exist Tualatin-compatible slot 1 slockets, and they work quite well. I've been using one for months and I am very happy with it. (Disclaimer: I have no relationship with PowerLeap other than that of satisfied customer.)
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100mhz slot 1 upgradesIf you have slot 1, you most likely have 100Mhz FSB. These new pentium III have 133mhz, so you will either underclock or look for the rare 100Mhz chips.
100 MHz Tualatin Pentium IIIs are actually extremely easy to find. You just have to realize that Intel calls them "Celerons" and not "Pentium III"s.
For a 100 MHz slot 1 upgrade kit complete with Tualatin-compatible slocket and Pentium III based 1.2 GHz Celeron CPU, look for the PowerLeap PL-iP3T.
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Re:your board
the board you picked up with no ports and ribbion options. where did you get whats its name and how much
It was actually sold as an upgrade card by PowerLeap, but it's an upgrade card that requires you disconnect power from your motherboard; the motherboard becomes just a holder for the new single board computer, in effect.
So their reasoning for having the jumpered-out ports is a little different; so you can plumb in the upgrade card to an old PC. But the effect is good for those who choose to use it as a single board computer :-)
The unit is pretty amazing; it has 3D graphics, sound, up to 1G memory, 1ghz procsesor, sound, game port, three serial, parallel, PS/2 mouse & keyboard, *four* USB, dual IDE, and probably some other goodies I'm forgetting. All on a PCI card sized unit.
The pricing was very good; check out powerleap's store for details. (Mine was the 370S.)
(Mine actually came with a broken CPU fan, but they assure me a new one is en-route.) I'll probably do up a review for /. once I get Linux fired up on it (and make a new newsworthy custom case for it; let's see, maybe popsicle sticks...) -
Re:Will serial/parallel ever die ?!?
Could easily be smaller if they got rid of the serial and parallel i/o. Ps/2 needs to go too! There's enough usb stuff out there that something like this shoudln't need them.
Hey, this is Slashdot, and a lot of people here use Linux
I haven't used serial/parallel/ps2 in over a year at least. Disable them all in the bios to save interupts. :-) USB support for Linux devices isn't exactly, ahem, what I'd call "universal" yet.
One of the biggest disadvantages to the latest breed of laptops, IMO, is the lack of built-in serial (and to a lesser extent parallel) ports. Switches, filers, servers, and many other devices still have serial consoles these days, and for a lot of embedded purposes, serial is even more useful.
One smart approach to get the best of both worlds is to just have jumpers or other small connectors on the motherboard, to allow people to wire up a serial/parallel port if they wish, but they don't take up much space if you choose to ignore them.
PowerLeap's Renaissance product does just that, and while it's designed to use your existing motherboard (as just a benign card holder, with no power to it), and hook up to your existing power supply, it could rock as a single board computer, giving the Mini ITX a run for it's money size-wise.
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Renaissance/370S
Take a look at the PowerLeap Renaissance/370S. That could be an easy way to put modern hardware in an old or unusual case.
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There's a better way...
If you're looking to do the same thing, cheaply and with a little DIY hardware tech time, simply buy a big ATX case with room for a couple of extra power supplies, install a 386 or 286 mobo (all ISA slots!!!), and buy a number of these computers and plug them in. They don't draw power from the motherboard, so you don't even bother connecting the 286 to power. Instead, tie each power supply to one or two of these cards directly (requires a little soldering), and there you go. A cluster in a box.
If I had the money, I'd be doing this myself. Instead, I've got a rack full of 4U AT cases with dual PPro 200mhz machines instead. The one advantage to having full sized motherboards (with PCI slots) is that I'm installing triple-channel-bonded ethernet so I get gigabit ethernet bandwith, without paying gigabit prices. -
Re:Try the Pentium III Tualatin
The Tualatin will also work with Serverworks chipsets (Supermicro do a few boards based on them) AND Powerleap sell a convertor that allows Tualatins to run on slot 1 mainboards
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Some merit to the design, but this is better.
The only two cool things about the PCI card in the article is host-IP connectivity (which essentially is a dual ethernet card then, perfect for firewalls and such), and 10W power draw straight from the host's power supply.
However, Powerleap, ubiquitous for upgrades and socket adapters, also has a card which touts some similar attributes called the Renaissance/370S based on a Socket 370 or FC-PGA chip. It cranks with Celeron, Celeron II, and P3 chips. Quite rockin'.
The main cool thing about this device is it does NOT use the motherboard slot it sits in. It just uses it as a place to mount. That's right, you can put one in an ISA slot and still run the motherboard it sits in and they won't know a thing about each other, because no pins are connected between them. The price is also a lot better (~$250 for a low end model), you can swap out the CPU and it has two DIMM slots, with a max ram per slot of 512mb (1GB combined). The specs are much better and the price is much lower. It's just marketed as an upgrade option rather than a performance enhancement to an existing machine.
I've been looking into this as a solution for my cluster, but haven't gotten up the nerve to buy them yet. From what I can find on the web, they're the best cluster card option, especially if you are handy with soldering. To really maximize the power per box, I'd probably buy a dead 486 motherboard (ISA slots all the way across the board, which this card requires), slam four Renaissance cards in it, link two power supplies in parallel, rig extra power and reset switches for each card separate from the power supply, and there's your mini-cluster. Probably 4 machines per 4U case, which notably isn't a huge space savings over 4 1U pizza boxes, but it costs less than a single 1U server would. -
Some merit to the design, but this is better.
The only two cool things about the PCI card in the article is host-IP connectivity (which essentially is a dual ethernet card then, perfect for firewalls and such), and 10W power draw straight from the host's power supply.
However, Powerleap, ubiquitous for upgrades and socket adapters, also has a card which touts some similar attributes called the Renaissance/370S based on a Socket 370 or FC-PGA chip. It cranks with Celeron, Celeron II, and P3 chips. Quite rockin'.
The main cool thing about this device is it does NOT use the motherboard slot it sits in. It just uses it as a place to mount. That's right, you can put one in an ISA slot and still run the motherboard it sits in and they won't know a thing about each other, because no pins are connected between them. The price is also a lot better (~$250 for a low end model), you can swap out the CPU and it has two DIMM slots, with a max ram per slot of 512mb (1GB combined). The specs are much better and the price is much lower. It's just marketed as an upgrade option rather than a performance enhancement to an existing machine.
I've been looking into this as a solution for my cluster, but haven't gotten up the nerve to buy them yet. From what I can find on the web, they're the best cluster card option, especially if you are handy with soldering. To really maximize the power per box, I'd probably buy a dead 486 motherboard (ISA slots all the way across the board, which this card requires), slam four Renaissance cards in it, link two power supplies in parallel, rig extra power and reset switches for each card separate from the power supply, and there's your mini-cluster. Probably 4 machines per 4U case, which notably isn't a huge space savings over 4 1U pizza boxes, but it costs less than a single 1U server would. -
As seen on HardOCP.com - P3, Tuys in Slot1
HardOCP.com sez:
There will be a few of you excited about this. Powerleap has put together an adapter that will allow you to stick a S370 Tualatin chip on your current Slot 1 mainboard. Looks as if some of you might have some server upgrade options that you did not before. w00t!!1
The PL-iP3/T(TM) employs patented technologies to adapt Slot 1 systems to the voltage and signal requirements of the new generation of Intel's Pentium III (FC-PGA2) and Celeron-II (FC-PGA2) processors. With the PL-iP3/T(TM), a typical* P-III system can reach speeds up to 1.26 GHz with the latest Pentium III-S CPUs (133 MHz FSB required), and up to 1.2 GHz when used with the latest Celeron-II CPUs (100 MHz FSB required). -
Re:analogy all flawed, just like his argumentTwo things;
- You can do fancy stuff with old PCs.
- Components manufacturers will always have a least one overpowered, show-off product just to market their skill, if nothing else.
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Re:IBM convertable laptop
rocking with a Kingston 486 upgrade and a Kingston memory MCA board, fully populated with 16mb of ram
Hardware upgrades really used to rock. Systems didn't dead-end back in the day anywhere near as frequently as they do now. Thank std_deity.h for companies like Powerleap and Evergreen still keeping the innovative hardware upgrade alive. I've already turned my Pentium75 into a K6-2 300. Soon I'll be upgrading my company's old NT server from a PPro 200 to a Celeron 600 without having to take it down for a week.Does anyone else know any other companies with a flare for such upgrades?
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woops, bad link ....
sorry, powerleap
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Powerleap Neo S370?
What I wonder is, can you throw a powerleap Neo S370 adapter and have yourself a dual Pentium III system on it? Someone should look into that, it'd be very interesting.
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Re:SMP
Powerleap has an FCPGA to PPGA converter card that should work in the BP6. You can use either the P3 coppermine or the Celeron II.
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Powerleap are doing a version for slot 8/PPro, tooPowerleap are doing a version for slot 8/PPro, too
See http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000067.htm, http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/000002a1.htm and http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000341.htm. This would make a nice cheap and simple way for me to upgrade my Dual PPro-180
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Powerleap are doing a version for slot 8/PPro, tooPowerleap are doing a version for slot 8/PPro, too
See http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000067.htm, http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/000002a1.htm and http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000341.htm. This would make a nice cheap and simple way for me to upgrade my Dual PPro-180
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Powerleap are doing a version for slot 8/PPro, tooPowerleap are doing a version for slot 8/PPro, too
See http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000067.htm, http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/000002a1.htm and http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000341.htm. This would make a nice cheap and simple way for me to upgrade my Dual PPro-180
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