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Be aware that Canada has some interesting challenges to freedom of speech with regards to the political process, including campaign finance limits (note the US has some too) and something about a media blackout of election coverage. There also exist certain "hate speech" provisions (for some criticism, do a quick Google search and/or see here here and here, warning, these sites may contain bias independent of their stance on freedom of speech... that's kind of the idea behind freedom of speech, though, so I hope you can cope).

Where many people get tripped up from being able to believe the Bible accounts as being really God's Inspired Word is the #1 worldwide "flood of Noah's day" and the #2 6,000 years issue. I can and will explain them both although it shouldn't be necessary as Charles T. Russell already explained it in the years before and after 1900. A link to a picture I made of some excerpts from his writings are on my "Global Warming People Changed" webpage, plus the picture pops up as a "rollover image" also, same page.

Prior to the Great Flood the amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the Earth was a great deal less. Solar rays are AGING RAYS so by being pre-Flood shielded with a "water canopy" in the thermosphere layer (a vast amount of water called in Genesis => "waters above the expanse") fell as rain, removing that reflective shield. So everything began aging incredibly much faster approximately 4,500 years ago and Flood-denying scientists assume the current Rate of Aging to be a constant. It's only a constant for the past 4,000+ years since the Great Flood.

The Earth was created "In the beginning", not 6,000 years ago. Carbon Dating is in error => 6,000 years before the Flood might look like 6 million years to today's scientific community. But what about the rocks and mountains? Didn't they take millenia to form? Well, yes and no. The Matter itself was formed "In the beginning" so it was old to begin with but aging much slower => as prior to the Flood the Earth was much smaller, the world's lands flatter and the land masses more connected. But when the water covered the entire Earth with no large mountain ranges in existence to restrain them the floodwaters sloshed around like a tanker truck without baffles, sculpting the Earth with a great unimagineable level of extreme violence, crushing the tectonic plates with its weight AND force of motion that pressed that old flat land upward into old-looking mountain ranges like the Himalayas.

The planet was crushed with water motion and force (momentum). In simpler terms, the Earth was quick-aged to look like Millenia had passed in just 40 days and 40 nights. Now you know the Truth. It has been sitting inside the Bible a very long time.

So now the noose tightens on Evolution? Yep, especially since I further clarified the subject yesterday in another fantastically-enlightening pdf doc, specifically at the very end of it, page 6 => /do_no_harm_vs_turn_the_other_cheek_cancerofthehearttissuematchpoint.pdf. By going to page 6 directly you avoid lots of stuff your sensitive doctor-back-patting ears don't want to hear. Hmm, but some of you might like pain. Hmm. In that case go to this page => http://www.newpath4.com/pdflistfor2008.htm . You will know when you find the correct link for Maximum Pain when you read there's a layer of Physics above thermodynamic laws and I've built the engines that uses it. hahaha Oh yeah, soon there will be another GREAT STUDY published saying the same thing. hahahaha They'll have the next plagiarist's special platter release issue from another country so no one will suspect they are trailing me to grab scraps I d

"in my opinion" is not a magic word that lets you defame people with impunity.

Actually, that phrase provides lots of free speech protections. I can say that I think taking the oil company profits and capping the price will cause oil shipments to stop to the US just like they did in the 1970's. I can say In my opinion, I think someone is an idiot for suggesting it. This is not defamation. This is stating what someone is suggesting and my opinion of his suggestion.

Mentioning that I think there is reason to believe he is not a native born citizen and therefore ineligible to run for president is also not defamation. It is based on the lawsuit that he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. This is not defamation. References provided.

http://bobmccarty.com/2008/08/23/lawsuit-challenges-barack-obama-citizenship/
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/080214
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-obama-is-citizen-of-kenya.html

If he was born here, how does he have citizenship of Kenya?
If he wasn't born on American soil, how is he qualified to run for President?

He's correct.

After all there are corrupt cops almost everywhere you turn around.

otherwise Lincon would have had no recourse to lock up captured southern military soldiers as individual rebels

there was no concept of "enemy combatant"

succeeding

In europe people readily do force the government to work in and preserve their best intrests. When the government does something for the people it is the people doing something for the people, not some mysterious alien force.

When the government is corrupted it is private agencies, individuals who corrupt the government so it only serves the intrests of a greedy minority.

Rampant capitalism is simply feudalism and bonded servants. In the US it has been the dismantling of the good work done at the end of the depressions

You can guarantee things will get worse if you create an even more ineffective social security net, allow fewer constraints upon the greed of corporations, less tax for the rich (they should pay the most, they benefit the most)

, fail to ensure free trade is actually fair trade (it ain't free trade if one side can cheat by underpaying workers, with poor and dangerous working conditions, use child slave labour, and polluting the environment).

Failure to turn things around will ensure a path to a more primitive Mexican economy of the previous century that the Mexicans are now endeavouring to leave behind.

Political parties are a big part of the problem here in the states. The framers of our constitution did not anticipate the rise of political parties, and George Washington spoke against them in his farewell address. The two major parties here in the US have consolidated power and intentionally impeded the ability additional parties to have any influence in elections or legislation.

One good example of this is the current rule on filibustering which has made the process to a simple administrative chore requiring a 60% vote to break. No longer can one man halt all other activity against the will of even his own party and stand for what he knows is right. Another good example is the change to eligibility requirements and governance of the presidential debates. Where previously the League of Women Voters maintained a fair and open debate process, now the Commission on Presidential Debates, an organization controlled by corporate sponsors, has created minimum eligibility requirements that include a 15% share of the popular vote "as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations." This puts the requirements out of the reach of third party candidates who need the national exposure that the debates would give them to garner that much popular support.

The last reference above has a great comment from Alan Keyes that I feel deserves inclusions here.

Regarding the criteria regarding who should be admitted to the Presidential Debates, Keyes said it wasn't a difficult question and shouldn't require too much imagination. Keyes went on to say that one reasonable criteria would be that any Presidential Candidate who qualifies for ballot position in enough states to have the possibility of winning the 270 votes necessary to be elected president - should be included in the debates.

Well, I see this phrase thrown around here on /. alot, and it is indeed usually attributed to Jefferson. It is almost reads as the OP posted, "The man who would choose security over freedom deserves neither."

Now, a little thought discredits that quote - society requires some security to function, whereas total freedom to do as one pleased would likely degenerate into anarchy.

Anyway, I also have check the infallible 'net, and I get this: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/060121 which agrees with daveschroeder, and led me to this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/25rvo9 (google books)
And there is the quote, right under Franklin's sig.

So, I learned something today; lets hope we don't see the incorrect version ever again!

I find it so fascinating how you put that--you made put your statement in a moral form: "those laws, and every other law that legislates morality, is wrong."

As for me being "alone" in this regard (these are just a few off the first page a a google search for "legislating morality"):
http://www.midwestoutreach.org/journals/legislatin g.html
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2006 /10/12/legislating_morality
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/040914

Read these two articles and get back to me http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/scien ce-vs-religion-part-2/ http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kellmeyer/05081 5 Religion and Science can co-exist but you seem to want them to be in opposition all the time.

Good questions in the main article. Depriving English children of their childhood, trying to make white caucasians fit into the Chinese line-up-by-the-thousands for morning jump n' jacks is what we have allowed to happen. Computers aren't too blame. It's us. By going overboard acceptance of everyone else's methods, and the politically correct garbage, we forgot who we were, forgot what was best for us & our children. We transferred our adult inadequacies into the children, pushing them to learn guitar with fat fingers.

The Hell's Boomerang of the BOTH PARENTS HAVE TO WORK generation is coming home. Parents become surreal caricatures of parents the child doesn't see til it's bedtime, and even then the parents are too physically wasted & mentally drained from a dog eat dog day the children don't even rate a nighttime book reading. We are reaping what we are sowing by forgetting what we are sireing. Capitalism is killing us all, family member by family member, generation by generation. This will begin to turn around soon as we get completely off fossil fuels-powered engines that poisons us all, diminishes and degrades us to where we lose sight of what used to be our forefather's/mother's priorities. That day of Energy Freedom is a lot closer than most people know > http://www.newpath4.com/ . Here is a post I made on December 20, 2005 about Energy Freedom and what it will mean > http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3975 . It is a non-political message for all to read and have new hope that we are about to all draw a second wind, get our bearings, re-establish familial priorities.

Under Section 4 of USSID 18, communications which are known to be to or from U.S. persons can't be intentionally intercepted without: (a) the approval of the FISA court...; OR (b) the approval of the Attorney General of the United States with respect to "communications to or from U.S. PERSONS outside the United States...international communications" and other categories of communications including for the purpose of collecting "significant foreign intelligence information."

USSID 18 goes on to allow NSA to gather intelligence about a U.S. person outside the United States even without Attorney General sanction in emergencies "when securing the approval of the Attorney General is not practical because...the time required to obtain such approval would result in the loss of significant foreign intelligence and would cause substantial harm to national security."

Probably because knee-jerk responses like, "Oh, just kill me now" or some variation thereof sound childish and immature to anybody with a little perspective. However, nobody is stopping him -- or you -- from offing yourselves at the first hint of infirmity. Party on, dude.

When you've got the Republican Party going around these days declaring their ought to be Constutional Amendments to ensure people are kept alive, protecting your rights to minding your own business is no longer a joke.

The links there includes links to OTHER PAGES TOO,
so you get even more bang for your surfing buck! It's it's
a NEVERENDING STORY's WHAT IT IS.

The word "fuel". What does it MEAN?! The oil cartels, oil companies, oil barons and grandma's stockbroker all think fuel has to be something that combusts. Even nuclear energy is the same burning swill being fed the American Public.

These people do not want you to know about my engine systems that don't use their burning fuels. The new oil company TV commercials by Kerr-McGee & Philips Petroleum are doing a great brainwash job on the American Consumer. hehehehe THEY know about my engines. THEY run like the antelope & the deer trying to escape my engines... knowing the hunter is closing in, knowing their time on Earth is short. Check my links on this page. Learn about engines that totally do away with American subservience and slavery to oil cartels. http://free.seekon.com/NonNuclearFusionEngines/ And if you think Saudi Arabians don't know about my engines, you're wrong. They visit my webpages every day. United Arab Emirates? Ditto. Venezuela & Tel Aviv are there.

Why do you think Alaska is winning the fight to stop destruction of their A.N.W.R. Nature Preserve?! They visit my pages & THEY KNOW WE DON'T NEED NO MORE STINKING PETROLEUM TO RUN OUR VEHICLES. Ever watch the movie Soldier when Gary Busey advises his superior officer of the advantage of using a hammer? It isn't pretty but it's EFFECTIVE.
So are my engines right now, early forge hammers.
My pictures and animations are crude but effective.
We stand poised on the edge of total Energy Freedom >
http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3975 .

Not selling; just telling. The engines are free to whoever wants to build one. They are your property. I'm just the messenger. If the government won't build them, so what? What young buck wouldn't want to have a home for his new wife that doesn't have a monthly electric bill? hahaha The engines will get built. What young buck doesn't want to spend more on his gal & less for gasoline? Yep, the engines will get built & the builders won't be in Detroit. They'll be the next generation who demands something new ie: a better life for their family, affordable. Woodrow Riley, Open Sourcing a Future that isn't using crude oil or sitting around a fire praying for more firewood. Consider this too. There's a REASON my personal websites are being converted by Google into other languages. People want to be free & freedom from energy slavery is what I have brought them. Not by 2050. Not by 2025. Not by 2012. Energy freedom has been dropped inthe world's lap before 2006. Ask the bloggers over on http://www.livejournal.com/ they hit my pages daily by the hundreds because they know, they know they have found the pot of gold we've been searching for. Politicians in Washington, D.C. have found my pages but so far little has happened but that's okay. It's early yet. Sometimes the Ford lightbulb wants to be turned on slow & be savored like a fine wine.

http://www.newpath4.com/WorldwideClimateEngineMsg. htm . Yeah, they know.

"What I don't understand is how this article can be constructive".
The importance of articles like Boccacio's is that it gives me opportunity
**** TO TELL EVERYONE THE ANSWER: MINE ****

http://free.seekon.com/NonNuclearFusionEngines/

Martin Luther King Day is about to end. Some thoughts.
Missing Sasquatch piece of the racism/racist discrimination puzzle even MLK
didn't foresee > Economic progress drove into a drum of crude oil.

Martin Luther had a dream, a dream of raising Blacks up to the level of everyone else. Did he succeed? To a large extent I like to think so. But what has really happened?! Much the same thing that happened by everyone's wife going to work... Wages lowered, benefits lowered, and the cost of health insurance went higher!

Which means the so-called "American Dream" came 3 steps closer and 2 steps back. That's my personal opinion, that we have been pulling a wagon that turned out to have SQUARE WHEELS. We work Harder it fights back harder. Apparently our economy has some built-in FAILURES that even a Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King didn't anticipate would act as a giant Jake Brake.

MLK was ahead of the starting pistol, WAY AHEAD. Willpower? We've
all got GOBS OF THAT. Willpower alone can't do it
otherwise IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY.

What is the missing piece of the puzzle? What would free up
the riches we all know this country has?!
We pay trillions out for crude oil that poisons us,
we pay trillions out for healthcare to cure us of petroleum poisoning,
we pay billions or trillions out for toxic waste cleanup & saving the environment
FROM ALL THE CRUDE OIL PRODUCTS WE PURCHASED.
The missing piece of the puzzle is to ERASE crude oil from that
Equation. After that, those trillion$ go into healthcare,
higher wages & restored job benefits, caring for the elderly & >

eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.

http://free.seekon.com/NonNuclearFusionEngines/
http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3975
And, by the way, the SKY really is FALLING!
http://www.newpath4.com/skyisfallingendoftheworldp rocessexplainedindetail06062006.htm

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Reprint of Forum post made today on http://www.renewamerica.us/ as >
17. Elementary Math Man http://tinyurl.com/exp99
- Roanoke, VA - Posted on Jan 16, 2006, at 10:59:46 pm

"What I don't understand is how this article can be constructive".
The importance of articles like Boccacio's is that it gives me opportunity
**** TO TELL EVERYONE THE ANSWER: MINE ****

http://free.seekon.com/NonNuclearFusionEngines/

Martin Luther King Day is about to end. Some thoughts.
Missing Sasquatch piece of the racism/racist discrimination puzzle even MLK
didn't foresee > Economic progress drove into a drum of crude oil.

Martin Luther had a dream, a dream of raising Blacks up to the level of everyone else. Did he succeed? To a large extent I like to think so. But what has really happened?! Much the same thing that happened by everyone's wife going to work... Wages lowered, benefits lowered, and the cost of health insurance went higher!

Which means the so-called "American Dream" came 3 steps closer and 2 steps back. That's my personal opinion, that we have been pulling a wagon that turned out to have SQUARE WHEELS. We work Harder it fights back harder. Apparently our economy has some built-in FAILURES that even a Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King didn't anticipate would act as a giant Jake Brake.

MLK was ahead of the starting pistol, WAY AHEAD. Willpower? We've
all got GOBS OF THAT. Willpower alone can't do it
otherwise IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY.

What is the missing piece of the puzzle? What would free up
the riches we all know this country has?!
We pay trillions out for crude oil that poisons us,
we pay trillions out for healthcare to cure us of petroleum poisoning,
we pay billions or trillions out for toxic waste cleanup & saving the environment
FROM ALL THE CRUDE OIL PRODUCTS WE PURCHASED.
The missing piece of the puzzle is to ERASE crude oil from that
Equation. After that, those trillion$ go into healthcare,
higher wages & restored job benefits, caring for the elderly & >

eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.
eliminating all taxes on seniors > The American Dream.

http://free.seekon.com/NonNuclearFusionEngines/
http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3975
And, by the way, the SKY really is FALLING!
http://www.newpath4.com/skyisfallingendoftheworldp rocessexplainedindetail06062006.htm

....

Reprint of Forum post made today on http://www.renewamerica.us/ as >
17. Elementary Math Man http://tinyurl.com/exp99
- Roanoke, VA - Posted on Jan 16, 2006, at 10:59:46 pm

Here's our local ACLU's page attacking the Boy Scouts:
http://www.aclusandiego.org/boy_scouts/

Ummm... aren't you defeating your own argument by citing a case in which the ACLU was RIGHT and WON in court?

I thought you were trying to show the ACLU doing something wrong? When their argument is vindicated in court that is hardly evidence that they are off in outer space doing something nonsensical.

Here's a take on it from the other viewpoint:
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/zeiger/040114

Chuckle. I browsed around that site a bit. It seems that their reporting on issues is not merely slanted, their stories on a subject often have very little resemblance to the facts reported by major news organisations on the same story.

If you want to judge the validity of a court case you need to look at the actual court case. It's bad enough trying to judge the merits of a case based on reliable news reporting, but it is comical to attack a case based on that sort of story with that extreme "reality filter". So call it spin is understatement. I didn't read the court case, but compared to reporting on the case it is quite clear that they left many facts out and they placed other items in missleading or even fradulent context.

Most of all I'd like to note that that site seems massively dedicated to rejecting our system of law. Everywhere I look I'm seeing them wanting to toss out our Constitutional law and bitching and moaning about the endless court rulings - many of them Supreme Court rulings that they want to reverse.

If they are opposed to our system of Constitutional law, well ok... but that is hardly a criticism of the ACLU for properly behaving and winning under our established system of Constitutional law.

and the scouting site:
http://www.defendscouting.com/sldf/

Huh? They didn't like the court ruling against them. So what?

Was there supposed to be some evidence at that site indicating that the ACLU had done something wrong? You know, as in brought unreasonable cases or made unreasonable arguments in court?

But an essential fact that most people don't know is that the freedom of association has been determined to be one of the components of the 1st Amendment freedom of free speech:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_associatio n

And a fact that you probably didn't know was that Freedom of Association is extremely new law, and that much of it has been written through cases in which the ACLU participated.

It mostly appeared in the 60's and civil rights cases, and it's only in the last few years that it has been applied in a new way in the Boy Scout's and similar cases.

For example there were two similar state laws banning discrimination by public organisations, one in New York and one in New Jersey, and a Supreme Court case involving each of them. In the 1988 New York case the Supreme Court ruled UNANIMOUSLY against the "Freedom of Association" defense. The court ruled that the law could prohibit public organisations from discrimination. The other case, wich you have probably heard of, was the New Jersy law prohibiting discrimination in 2000 Boy Scouts of America v. Dale case. The one about the Boy Scouts throwing out a gay Scout Leader of 12 years. The Supreme Court ruling was a sharply divided 5-4, and it did carve out an exemption to the state anti-discrimination law for the Boy Scouts on "Freedom of Assosiation" reasoning.

So yes there is the Freedom of Association, but it is new law still being written, and even the Supreme Court is sharply divided over exactly where to draw the line.

Yes, we could discuss the details of Freedom of Association and the reasoning of why the Supreme Court drew the line where they di

They have been involved in the attacks across the country, dunno if they were involved in that exact one. Our local ACLU was the primary group pushing for the exlusion of Boy Scouts from all public lands in San Diego.

Here's our local ACLU's page attacking the Boy Scouts:
http://www.aclusandiego.org/boy_scouts/

Here's a take on it from the other viewpoint:
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/zeiger/040114

and the scouting site:
http://www.defendscouting.com/sldf/

But an essential fact that most people don't know is that the freedom of association has been determined to be one of the components of the 1st Amendment freedom of free speech:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_associatio n

A society, such as the Boy Scouts, has the right to determine who they associate with, in the same manner than a Catholic church cannot be sued because they did not choose a Buddhist as their new priest. Additionally, the government has the ability to have relations with private groups that discriminate in their membership, as long as the government does not favor one over the other. In other words, at a local high school, they let church groups run after school programs as part of their greater after school program. The local Catholics and Lutherans both run programs and get funding for it. There's no Jewish or Muslim group -- but if such a group offered, the school would have to treat them equally.

That's that part that most atheists get tripped up on. They see these religious groups operating programs at schools and flip out and file lawsuits which then cost the schools way too much money even if they're in the right. (In fact, that's what happened at one area school. They also sued the Lutheran church when the church traded city land in our area for church land in another area. It was a fair trade, but a litigatious atheist thought the law said the government can't deal with churches at all. He lost, though after costing the church a ton of money defending the trade.)

The sticky part about the Boy Scouts is that they have *history*. There's just no other identical organization that's been around for 90 years. Over the years, the Boy Scouts have dumped millions of their own dollars, and thousands of man-hours of effort into improving the CITY facilities they lease (for $1/month). It's impossible to say they get favorable/inequal treatment simply because there are NOT any other groups that have spent millions in San Diego improving city buildings, so it's a white elephant to claim they're getting free rent whereas everyone else has to pay. And as an amusing side note: the facilities they maintain is used to run an LBGTA kids camp during the summer when the Boy Scouts aren't using it.

And to come back to my original point in my first post, it is the ACLU is leading this attack on the freedom of association. They have a certain set of morals, which are different from the morals of the Boy Scouts, and are using lawsuits and politics to pressure them into accepting gay scout leaders. This is a blatantly contradictory stance for an organization that claims to be the defenders of the 1st Amendment.

Microsoft has nothing to fear: http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?p=5000 2 heh heh heh but FEAR ITSELF! http://www.newpath4.com/staticdriveenginetheperfec tfuelcomingnovember262005fromwoodrowrileywwwnewpat h4com.gif , coming Nov. 26. With, or as usual without, the blessing of the United States Department of Energy.

Our present engines are the equivalent of Windows 95: http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?p=5000 2 . Inertia? Inertia plays a part: http://tinyurl.com/ack2u . I wonder. If we did convert to such a gasoline-less engine, How many days would it take to balance the National Debt? Hhmmm. How much farther could our military march without needing for a fuel supply convoy in tow? How much of a reduction in all forms of cancer, emphysema, chronic asthma & lung diseases, should we expect from doing away with fossil fuel pollution? Interesting questions.

Being in the habit of questioning orders is not a good habit. People die ("gee, what if I get shot going over that rise"). Sometimes orders suck, thats the POINT of making them orders. The situation did not have anything to do with lawfulness, it was a situation where orders were being followed in an insecure channel... it should be mandated that official orders will not travel through such channels.

AND speaking of Mai Lai from a news article @ http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/040518
The gentleman was following his duty to the laws of the United States. Thats why soldiers can be tried for Murder in the middle of a war. You are still bound by the laws of your country.

Hugh Thompson, the helicopter pilot who stopped the massacre and promptly reported it to his commander. According to Chief My Lai prosecutor William Eckhardt, when Thompson realized what was happening "He put his helicopter down, put his guns on Americans, and said he would shoot them if they shot another Vietnamese.

He was doing his duty, and following his Oath to defend the consitution. He also followed to proper channels to report the massacre.

Lets take a look at the Oath:

"I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"

From http://www.counterpunch.org/mosqueda02272003.html:

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

This discussion about my solution to Professor Hertzberg's LN2000 engine is not just being carried on here on SlashDot... http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?p=3187 1#31871 and http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1211 have some more comments, not just about the engine I'm describing but also about Space Flight and the Space Engine Theory I intend to release this coming Thanksgiving week 2005. Makes for interesting reading I think for anyone who isn't compromised to crude oil. I doubt Exxon, Philips Petroleum, Mobil, or Shell are much caring about my discoveries. They regularly pay their people to disagree with me online... instead of EMBRACING MY ENGINE SOLUTION & building it.

This discussion about my solution to Professor Hertzberg's LN2000 engine is not just being carried on here on SlashDot... http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?p=3187 1#31871 and http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1211 have some more comments, not just about the engine I'm describing but also about Space Flight and the Space Engine Theory I intend to release this coming Thanksgiving week 2005. Makes for interesting reading I think for anyone who isn't compromised to crude oil. I doubt Exxon, Philips Petroleum, Mobil, or Shell are much caring about my discoveries. They regularly pay their people to disagree with me online... instead of EMBRACING MY ENGINE SOLUTION & building it.

Moreover, Jesus would have never approved the actions of a bunch of greedy Internet wine retailers who were determined to distribute "strong drink" at the expense of the nation's children.

Quoted from:http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/weaver/040 420

Some of America's most sagacious and influential Founders warned repeatedly in so many words that American liberty and prosperity would be doomed once the people learned that they could vote largess out of the public treasury. The contemporary concept of domestic policy has become a veritable free-for-all among individuals, groups, organizations, corporations, universities, and state and local governments to see who can get the biggest check from the federal treasury.

The term "domestic policy" did not enter the American vernacular until after Franklin D. Roosevelt "broke the line" that James Madison spoke about in 1794. As reported by the Philadelphia Gazette and Universal Daily Advertiser in January of that year:
"Mr. Madison...was afraid of establishing a dangerous precedent, which might hereafter be perverted to the countenance of purposes, very different from those of charity. He acknowledged, for his own part, that he could not undertake to lay his finger on that Article in the Federal Constitution, which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. And if once they broke the line laid down before them, for the direction of their conduct, it was impossible to say, to what lengths they might go, or to what extremities this practice might be carried."

Remember, James Madison was not only a Federalist; he was the Chief Architect of the U.S. Constitution!

BITCHES!

(this is for all those who are using this to complain directly or indirectly about the current administration)

This is something GREAT for our country and ultimately our economy. Other countries will be begging to jump on board with us and help explore the universe around us. The new systems and soultions required to do next generation space experimentation will drive further advances in other areas.

And all you can do is bash the president, say we can't afford it, that it is a bad decision, etc. All because you dislike his other policies. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This is what really makes me sick about people. They get a diamond ring from someone they don't like and they throw it in the outhouse. Morons.

I can't remember the number of times that I have read a discussion about NASA that was not replete with +5 insightful rants about how underfunded NASA is. Now that the government is increasing funding everyone is getting +5 insightfuls for naysaying the increase in funding. WHAT?!?!

For those who are politically motivated to attack the current administration under all circumstances, good or bad, just remember that NASA funding under the Clinton administration fell:
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bowyer/030204. (I put in a Google search for "NASA funding clinton administration" and hit "I'm feeling lucky" to get the stats)

Please, have the maturity to take the good with the bad, be grateful for the things that happen that you like, and bide your time until the next chance to change things comes along. You never know who may be listening to what you say. If you use this as an opportunity to vent your dissatisfaction against the current administration when your preferred representatives get elected they might just look back and think that this is just not that important to you. (You in the collective sense)

As for myself, I agree that this is massively important to us. It is, IMHO, one of the areas that the USA can demonstrate that we can work with other nations in a harmonious way. Maybe I am a bit utopian, but I think that the questions that space exploration ultimately confronts (not the technical of how to get there, but what is there and why is it like it is) are universal with mankind. Because of this I think that they provide a chance for people to set aside things that can divide them and concentrate on a common goal. Sounds kinda sappy, but I believe that it is true. Whether I like the government or not, I see this increase in funding and dedication to this cause by the administration as a Good Thing.

There were other reasons to go to war besides WMD's and President Bush made that clear. See this article. Iraq refused to cooperate with the UN inspections and various items were unaccounted for.

Let the inspectors do their jobs? Who are you kidding? Go take a look at some of the Iraq - UN timelines on the web and ask yourself why did the UN wait so long to do anything about Iraq's refusal to comply with UN demands? Eleven years after Gulf War 1, Iraq still wasn't complying with the UN, yet the UN did nothing. Wasn't it obvious that Saddam was using every tactic he could think of to delay action by the UN? That in itself leads to suspiscion that Iraq was hiding something.

How many political prisioners were killed in Iraq while they continued to defy and hold back UN inspections? I've seen estimates in the hundred thousands. The Iraq administration was evil. The only question in regard to this issue is should the US/UN step in when countries are systematically murdering those who oppose the government. If yes, then the WMD issue is immaterial.

An unmentioned strategic reason is demographics. In 15-20 years world demographics are going to shift severely. Middle Eastern countries will become a much bigger players on the world stage (Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc). These countries aren't exactly known for promoting world peace. What happens to world/US security when these countries are much stronger militarily?

Of course, it leaves out a number of things, like the connection between Iraq and the 1995 OKC bombing. For that, you'll have to read this or this.

Iraq has had a lot more involvement in terror, specifically terror against the US than many people know and than the news agencies let on. We've also found a number of WMD that were never reported by the mass media. You should really read David Kay's report to congress.

A summary of David Kay's findings

more info about Iraq WMDs.

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