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There is a fascinating and unexpected inversion here: Corporations are now standing up against government to protect the rights of citizens. Of course, most of us expect that relationship to work the other way around.

It is not just Facebook. The first sentence of this article reads: "The FBI director has slammed Apple and Google for offering their customers encryption technology that protects users’ privacy."

Today, a product which includes protection from the government has added value. A prediction: In the future, corporate protection from government intrusion and persecution will become the product. Smart corporations such as Tesla (see Nevada tax deal) or Apple and Google (see double Irish Dutch sandwich) have special rights or have exempted themselves from government rules by using loopholes. Meanwhile, every day there is news of the federal government becoming increasingly insane. Like today. Increasingly, the government is engaging in unethical, illegal activities such as theft. As demand from protection from the federal government increases with the growing abuses, corporations will meet that demand by sheltering customers under their own umbrellas.

They don't make money by selling user information to third parties or by selling ads,

Funny, Apple has this thing called iAd where you pay Apple to place targeted ads, and it's currently being sued for selling user info to 3rd parties. Are these activities Apple's primary revenue model? No, but they are part of the revenue stream nevertheless.

Will you please stop with posting actual facts about how Apple are just as bad as the next company. You are going to cause a lot of zealots to have a nervous breakdown and suffer with massive bouts of cognitive dissonance. You are a complete rotter!

They don't make money by selling user information to third parties or by selling ads,

Funny, Apple has this thing called iAd where you pay Apple to place targeted ads, and it's currently being sued for selling user info to 3rd parties. Are these activities Apple's primary revenue model? No, but they are part of the revenue stream nevertheless.

iAd is only for iOS Devices (not Yosemite) and your second link is extremely misleading. They're being sued for asking customers that purchase high priced items for their zip code as an additional form of data to verify with the credit card processor to prevent fraudulent transactions. Maybe merchants that have a high amount of fraud do this type of verification.

They don't make money by selling user information to third parties or by selling ads,

Funny, Apple has this thing called iAd where you pay Apple to place targeted ads, and it's currently being sued for selling user info to 3rd parties. Are these activities Apple's primary revenue model? No, but they are part of the revenue stream nevertheless.

Yeah... about that...

Not sure who it is, but I am pretty certain this is why we have saw it ramped up over the last year.

The scientists were well aware of the small quakes. The prosecution alledged that they should have known that this meant an elevated risk of a big quake and that their downplaying of said risks was sufficiently negligent to ammount to manslauter. The court agreed with the prosecution and convicted them but the sentances were apparently suspended until appeal.

http://rt.com/news/italy-jail-...

Did the court convict because they took a detatched view and found the people truely negligent or was their verdict colord by rage and the need to find a scapegoat. That is why we have appeals.

Unfortunately I can't seem to find any information on whether the appeal was successful, a failure or still in-progress.

I dunno, it seems to have worked pretty well for Putin. I mean, wake me up when Obama starts going around assassinating dissenters with polonium and forcing all popular blogs to register with national media censors.

WAKE UP!!!

Unless, you believe when it comes to reporting on Russia, that THEN the administration and media are telling the complete, unspun truth with no hidden agenda designed for personal gain.

As it happens, Russia is crafting whistleblower protections right now: http://rt.com/politics/190264-...

Is supposed to renew their whole arsenal to 2020 rather than 70% of it I think I read earlier today or possibly yesterday.

Guess it may be weak enough to not deserve to be posted.
Better get a source so you don't quote me on it:
http://rt.com/politics/189604-...

US Communications Act of 1934
“Upon proclamation by the President that there exists war or a threat of war, or a state of public peril or disaster or other national emergency, or in order to preserve the neutrality of the United States, the President, if he deems it necessary in the interest of national security or defense, may suspend or amend, for such time as he may see fit, the rules and regulations applicable to any or all stations or devices capable of emitting electromagnetic radiations within the jurisdiction of the United States”

Then, of course, there is Standard Operating Procedure 303

More over when another bolide disintegrated as a ball of fire over Barcelona, Spain at around the same time caught on video by one of the 25 surveillance ground stations of the Spanish Meteor Network.

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

If one wants to post something on international affairs, then one should educate oneself on a specific topic and get info from different sources, not just Chicken Noodle News. Try http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b....

A few news sites and tech sites have:
"Android security mystery 'fake' cellphone towers found in U.S." (28 AUG 2014)
http://www.welivesecurity.com/...
Fake, phone-attacking cell-towers are all across America (Sep 1, 2014)
http://boingboing.net/2014/09/...
"The fake "interceptor" towers force your phone to back \\down to an easy-to-break 2G connection, then goes to work"
"..the baseband firewall on the Cryptophone set off alerts showing that the phones encryption had been turned off, and that the cell tower had no name a telltale sign of a rogue base station."
Fake cell phone towers may be spying on Americans calls, texts (September 03, 2014)
http://rt.com/usa/184636-fake-...

No, like Hydro, pumped hydro, wave power, tidal schemes, solar thermal, solar PV, compressed air storage, biowaste energy, battery storage etc.

Hydro: already maxed out in the west. Pumped hydro: calculate the scale involved, it ain't pretty. Wave power is so expensive it's not funny, as is solar thermal. Solar PV is intermittent - see linked graph again, it won't cut it. CAES has some potential, but is as yet much more expensive than pumped hydro. Biowaste accounts for a drop in the bucket - there's simply not enough of it. Batteries are horribly expensive at grid scale and environmentally very damaging (Ever seen a lithium mine? Or maybe you prefer lead-acid? And Vanadium redox is still more expensive than pumped hydro). You forgot to mention flywheels.
The point is, you need to understand the problem quantitatively. Run some calculations on the system cost and scale and post them - it's a sobering experience. And don't forget to include the developing world, they want power too, you know.

Cheap gas and oil won't be around for long, coal is the only real fossil fuel problem.

So CO2 emissions from gas and fracking are a-OK? You do realize that natural gas still emits around 50% of the CO2 per unit of energy, not to mention that any small methane leak is also a serious source of GHGs, right?

There is currently enough Uranium reserve to continue to power the nuclear industry at it 10% of global energy rate for 200 years. So if every country were to go nuclear like France, how long would that last?

This is grossly oversimplifying. First you need to understand the relationship between cost and recoverable resources. In general, double the cost, you increase recoverable resources 10-fold. Even using today's nuclear power designs (which I'm not a big fan of, but consider them a necessary evil on the way to better designs), the fuel cost is only about 10% of the TCO of the plant (the rest being construction, O&M and decommissioning), so if you double their raw fuel cost, their LCOE grows only very modestly (a good chunk of their fuel cost is also enrichment and fabrication). So if you accept, say, a 5% increase in their LCOE, you'd have enough Uranium to power all of the world for another 200-300 years. Now you might say that's not enough for fusion to come along, so read on.
The real prospect, is for new reactor designs that either breed fuel from fertile uranium (of which there is approx. 100x as much as directly fissile uranium) or use the existing stock a lot more efficient (e.g. the denatured molten-salt, not a breeder, but a lot simpler than the LFTR being hyped around the net). Breeders are not paper reactors, they exist and are operating. They have their challenges, but give a significant improvement. The molten-salt ones pile a bunch of very attractive safety on top.
Should we *only* do nuclear and not invest in renewables like wind, solar, geothermal and tidal? Absolutely not! We should do all of these! Use what's appropriate where it's appropriate. Iceland is a geothermal bomb, so nuclear there is stupid. Arizona has lots of solar, with a little improvement in salt storage, that could pan out. And where nothing else works really exceptionally well (like central Europe :D), use a mix of nuclear, hydro and whatever else you can lay your hands on.

be cost effective to extract uranium from seawater,

Two things about that. #1 It is horribly expensive at over 15 to 30x the cost of current uranium. #2 The extraction process requires absurd amounts of oil based 'net' to extract the atoms of uranium.

Nuclear is already an expensive method of electricity production. Saying that this method of extraction is 'cost effective' is highly misleading. in 2010 Uranium prices spiked, the ocean extraction process would still have been over 7 times more expensive, not to mention there are only prototypes and estimates of cost at this point. Some of the estimates have put the cost of extraction at well over 100x current uranium cost.

The most advanced materials, which can be reused several times, can draw between three and four milligrams of uranium per gram of plastic each time theyâ(TM)re used, says Costas Tsouris, a researcher at Oak Ridge National Laboratory who is working on that system.

http://www.technologyreview.co...

Uranium obtained using the traditional process today would cost between $1,000 and $2,000 per kilogramâ"about 10 to 20 times the current market price, says Schneider. (The price of uranium did rise to around $300 per kilogram as recently as 2007, however.) The new process could cut that cost significantly.

Current price is around $31 per pound ($68 a kilo).
http://www.mining.com/chart-ur...

A sharp spike in uranium prices in 2007 had many people scared in terms of the sustainability of the nuclear industry, [at $100 per lb]

So if the nuclear industry is unsustainable with mined uranium then it is completely unsustainable with ocean extracted uranium, which realistically costs around 20 times as much.

How's that nuclear waste problem coming along? Perhaps the mafia can help.

Just make sure that nuclear waste doesn't leak. Oops.
Radiation leaks force transfer of nuclear waste from New ...
Nuclear waste leaking at Hanford site in Washington, again ...
After $40 Billion , America's Biggest Nuclear Dump Is Still ...
Radiation leak at nuclear waste dump raises questions ...
Ocean disposal of radioactive waste - Wikipedia, the free ...
Thousands of radioactive waste barrels rusting ...
Japan Times: Now 400 tons a day of toxic water is estimated ...

Because nuclear accidents stopped happening after Chernobyl right? Nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

But hey, todays new breed of super-human won't make the same mistakes as those past

The banning of Russian never happened. It was PROPOSED, and it never was passed. I don't think it even was put to a vote.

This story has two parts, the first was a minority language law (adopted 2012) that made Russian a 2nd offical language in some regions. The cancelation of this law passed the parliament, effectively stripping russian native speakers from their right to communicate in russian with authorities.
You only tell the second part - the proposed total ban. (story)

But the first part reveals enough about the nature of the post-maidan Ukrainian government and it can be fully attributed to it. If you don't understand why Russians are concerned for their ethnic people in Ukraine, you have no chance of understanding the conflict.

RT is claiming that Ukrainian troops crossed into Russia, in order to defect, and the Ukranian government admits this.

Now counter these pictures of tanks entering from Russia

Check back in 6 months, compare what they reported on this conflict to what really happened. Because they were reporting the Ukrainian protests as being a bunch of Fascists who, if they had their way, would be building concentration camps for Russian speakers. Of course, the protesters won, got new elections, and turned out to be what they appeared to be; moderate youths who want increased relations with the EU.

Let's set aside the idea that RT is somehow horrendously biased and we can learn what really happened by, er, reading our totally neutral and trustworthy western newspapers.

Let's instead focus on an indisputable fact. This wonderful new parliament put in place by moderate youths who wanted only increased EU relations, on the very next day after the ex-President fled (the one who did actually win an election), voted overwhelmingly to repeal a law that made Russian an official language. Their first act wasn't to improve relations with the EU, or heal the giant rift between east and west Ukraine, their first order of business was to drive an even bigger wedge right between their own citizens.

Is it any wonder that this glorious democratic government our leaders love so much reacted to an independence movement in their country with massive military force, and has been shelling their own citizens ever since?

By the way, here's how RT reported it at the time. Seems pretty accurate to me.

http://rt.com/news/183356-russ...

Who is to believe?

Given that all our leaders in both the west and Russia are pathological liars, I'm always interested to find the other side of the story. Not that our media makes it easy.

This slashdot story reports what's happening as fact. But as far as I can tell what we have is actually only quotes from Kiev, the same people who have been claiming that Russia was invading for weeks. The same people who claimed that a convoy of aid was actually full of soldiers and military equipment, even after it was repeatedly spot checked by journalists and found to contain exactly what Russia claimed it did (food and aid). This is coming just days after Poroshenko dissolved his Parliament, there were apparently rising protests against conscription into the Ukrainian army, and the separatists were able to make progress.

Just to make things even more complicated: simultaneous with the claim that Russian troops are crossing into Ukraine, RT is claiming that Ukrainian troops crossed into Russia, in order to defect, and the Ukranian government admits this.

This comment on the Guardian story (which incidentally is much less biased than this Slashdot article and presents this as an accusation by Kiev) is what got me to look for these stories and I think interesting enough to quote in full:

Nothing really to explain. Ukraine troops, left without leadership and provisions, have been deserting and losing ground all week. Now that people are demonstrating in Kiev calling for Poroshenko's resignation, he's calling invasion.

- Close to 2,000 Ukraine combatants have put down their guns and asked for asylum in Russia.
- In the last 4 or 5 days, the DPR army has encircled and captured more than 7,000 troops, and all the hardware they possessed.
- On the 24th we all saw thousands of these defeated troops marched through Donesk city centre.

Now they have close to 80 tanks, and various other armored vehicles, all acquired from defeated Ukraine troops, and are sweeping over eastern Ukraine.

Poroshenko was given billions of dollars, and some how failed to pay pensions, salaries, or to send adequate supplies to the forces. He's losing this war, that's all.

Carter's ban was reversed a few years later. The true problem is the lack of a national policy on the way forward with this. The original nuclear pioneers envisioned us burning up the spent fuel in fast reactors. That was pretty much put on hold indefinitely when 20 years the Clinton administration cut the funding for the project just short of producing the first commercially viable fast reactor power plant designs. This could have been solved problem were it not for the environmentalist policy of stalling any progress on nuclear technology in order not to lose the political bargaining chips that R&D would have eradicated. The only thing they've achieved, though, is that it'll get developed somewhere else. In fact, using the future tense may not be necessary anymore.

US to boost military manhunt capabilities with RFID satellites

Published time: May 22, 2013 01:32
Edited time: May 22, 2013 04:26

http://rt.com/usa/advances-mid...

Image: http://img.rt.com/files/news/1...

"A Minotaur 1 rocket, carrying the Operationally Responsive Space 1 (ORS 1) satellite,
lifts off from Wallop Island, Virginia in this undated handout photograph provided June
30, 2011 (REUTERS/Thom Baur/Orbital Sciences/Handout)"

The US military is planning to launch a new, efficient method of sending small satellites into space which will dramatically boost soldiersâ(TM) ability to locate, track and eventually annihilate potential enemies.

The military has spent years quietly developing and implementing radio-frequency identification (RFID) tags to track Taliban leaders, suspected terrorists, and other perceived enemies. Tribesmen in the Middle East are paid to âoeplant the electronic devicesâ on the intended targets or the targetsâ(TM) home, according to a 2009 report in The Guardian.

The device can be tracked to within three feet of its location, providing targeting co-ordinates that have become integral in launching drone strikes.

âoeTransmitters make a lot of sense to me,â former CIA case officer Robert Baer told Wired in 2009. âoeIt is simply not possible to train a Pashtun from Waziristan to go to a targeted site, case it, and come back to Peshawar or Islamabad with anything like an accurate report. The best you can hope for it theyâ(TM)re putting the transmitter right on the house.â

The United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM) will advance that strategy with the September rocket launch from Wallops, Virginia. Attached to the sides of the rocket will be eight devices that will be dispersed 300 miles above Earth then act as beacons for US intelligence.

Wired noted that each of the eight satellites is roughly the size of a âoewater jug.â

This is not Americaâ(TM)s first foray into using outer space for gaining intelligence. A 2009 test program launched similar location devices to great success, with special operations officials later reporting that the technology was used to help locate Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

But the militaryâ(TM)s reliance on less-than-trustworthy operatives to carry out the most important part of such an expensive mission, locating the original target, has some people very concerned. Recruiting and paying poor people in hostile countries to carry out dangerous tasks could have intended, but serious, consequences.

In a video released in April 2009, 19-year-old Habibur Rehman, reading a script written by the Taliban, who then executed him on film, claimed he was so desperate for money that he took advantage of his US handlers.

âoeI was given $122 to drop chips wrapped in cigarette paper at Al Qaeda and Taliban houses,â Rehman said, before being shot for spying for the US. âoeIf I was successful, I was told, I would be given thousands of dollars.â

A US official told NBC News that the video was nothing more than âoeextremist propaganda,â but it does raise moral questions surrounding drone warfare and targeted killings in the modern era.

âoeI thought this was a very easy job,â Rehman went on. âoeThe money was good so I started throwing chips all over. I knew people were dying because of what I was doing, but I needed the money.â

Tags: Arms, Drones, Gizmos, Information Technology, Middle East, SciTech, Space, Terrorism, USA

US to boost military manhunt capabilities with RFID satellites

Published time: May 22, 2013 01:32
Edited time: May 22, 2013 04:26

http://rt.com/usa/advances-mid...

Image: http://img.rt.com/files/news/1...

"A Minotaur 1 rocket, carrying the Operationally Responsive Space 1 (ORS 1) satellite,
lifts off from Wallop Island, Virginia in this undated handout photograph provided June
30, 2011 (REUTERS/Thom Baur/Orbital Sciences/Handout)"

The US military is planning to launch a new, efficient method of sending small satellites into space which will dramatically boost soldiersâ(TM) ability to locate, track and eventually annihilate potential enemies.

The military has spent years quietly developing and implementing radio-frequency identification (RFID) tags to track Taliban leaders, suspected terrorists, and other perceived enemies. Tribesmen in the Middle East are paid to âoeplant the electronic devicesâ on the intended targets or the targetsâ(TM) home, according to a 2009 report in The Guardian.

The device can be tracked to within three feet of its location, providing targeting co-ordinates that have become integral in launching drone strikes.

âoeTransmitters make a lot of sense to me,â former CIA case officer Robert Baer told Wired in 2009. âoeIt is simply not possible to train a Pashtun from Waziristan to go to a targeted site, case it, and come back to Peshawar or Islamabad with anything like an accurate report. The best you can hope for it theyâ(TM)re putting the transmitter right on the house.â

The United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM) will advance that strategy with the September rocket launch from Wallops, Virginia. Attached to the sides of the rocket will be eight devices that will be dispersed 300 miles above Earth then act as beacons for US intelligence.

Wired noted that each of the eight satellites is roughly the size of a âoewater jug.â

This is not Americaâ(TM)s first foray into using outer space for gaining intelligence. A 2009 test program launched similar location devices to great success, with special operations officials later reporting that the technology was used to help locate Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

But the militaryâ(TM)s reliance on less-than-trustworthy operatives to carry out the most important part of such an expensive mission, locating the original target, has some people very concerned. Recruiting and paying poor people in hostile countries to carry out dangerous tasks could have intended, but serious, consequences.

In a video released in April 2009, 19-year-old Habibur Rehman, reading a script written by the Taliban, who then executed him on film, claimed he was so desperate for money that he took advantage of his US handlers.

âoeI was given $122 to drop chips wrapped in cigarette paper at Al Qaeda and Taliban houses,â Rehman said, before being shot for spying for the US. âoeIf I was successful, I was told, I would be given thousands of dollars.â

A US official told NBC News that the video was nothing more than âoeextremist propaganda,â but it does raise moral questions surrounding drone warfare and targeted killings in the modern era.

âoeI thought this was a very easy job,â Rehman went on. âoeThe money was good so I started throwing chips all over. I knew people were dying because of what I was doing, but I needed the money.â

Tags: Arms, Drones, Gizmos, Information Technology, Middle East, SciTech, Space, Terrorism, USA

Anyway, "being on welfare" doesn't mean "no income to garnish." In fact, statistically most people on welfare are working anywhere between 30-50 hours a week, albeit at one or more part-time jobs.

There are restrictions on what can be garnished legally;

Those restrictions are based on arbitrary government calculations (the same calculations that say a person with a $40K/yr job can afford $800/mo student loan payments, because they fail to take any expenses into account), and can be overruled by a judge.

They may also avoid garnishment by switching jobs, and ensuring the party holding judgement does not know and cannot discover their employment, or being employed in a cash payment business. For example: waiters/waitresses commonly receive direct payments as tips, which the employer doesn't have access to, therefore is incapable of garnishing.

Instead of refuting point-by-point, I'm just going to leave this here.

Do you have a source for that "over 50% on welfare" claim? Because it sounds either dubious, or like a gross misinterpretation of facts.

Number of the Week: Half of U.S. Lives in Household Getting Benefits

rt.com:

More than half of the US population – 165 million of 308 million Americans – is now dependent on the state in some form. Of these, 107 million Americans rely on government welfare, 46 million seniors collect Medicare and there are 22 million government employees.

The number of Americans on welfare have increased from 97 million to 107 million since President Obama took office, according to research by Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee Jeff Sessions. The number of Americans on food stamps during the president’s term has risen by more than 14 million.

So, gross misinterpretation of facts, then. Or rather, conflating the terms "government assistance" and "welfare."

FWIW, tax credits are technically "government assistance."

Anyway, "being on welfare" doesn't mean "no income to garnish." In fact, statistically most people on welfare are working anywhere between 30-50 hours a week, albeit at one or more part-time jobs.

There are restrictions on what can be garnished legally; for example, a minimum wage employee cannot be garnished --- an employee paid more than the minimum wage can only be garnished some fraction, and it will essentially never be sufficient to repay the bill with interest. If these people are at the poverty line, it is likely that all of their wages will be excluded and they be incapable of being garnished, if not all their wages, then perhaps 95% or so, due to claims of financial hardship this would cause.

They may also avoid garnishment by switching jobs, and ensuring the party holding judgement does not know and cannot discover their employment, or being employed in a cash payment business. For example: waiters/waitresses commonly receive direct payments as tips, which the employer doesn't have access to, therefore is incapable of garnishing.

Do you have a source for that "over 50% on welfare" claim? Because it sounds either dubious, or like a gross misinterpretation of facts.

Number of the Week: Half of U.S. Lives in Household Getting Benefits

rt.com:

More than half of the US population – 165 million of 308 million Americans – is now dependent on the state in some form. Of these, 107 million Americans rely on government welfare, 46 million seniors collect Medicare and there are 22 million government employees.

The number of Americans on welfare have increased from 97 million to 107 million since President Obama took office, according to research by Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee Jeff Sessions. The number of Americans on food stamps during the president’s term has risen by more than 14 million.

Seems China does a much better job. Both Sanmen 1 and Haiyang 1 (both AP1000s) are expected to come online this year, on budget and on schedule. Taishan 1 and Taishan 2 (Areva EPRs) are also reported on schedule for startup this/next year (depending on how well their testing is gonna go). The EPRs are an especially impressive accomplishment, since those are the most powerful reactors ever built (1650 MWe). This seems to support OP's assertion that if you go into the project determined for success, push hard and don't let NIMBYs distract you, things can happen as planned. Seriously, if you want to see the state of the art in nuclear, look at China, they are moving fast. My guess is they're wanna accumulate as much experience running those reactors as possible and going forward standardize on a winner and pump them out like crazy to reduce their air pollution and GHG emissions. They're also running a few modern Russian VVER-1000s, which the IAEA referred to as the world's "safest" (I guess this remains to be seen, but from a technology perspective I gotta admit, they've done an excellent job).

From RT:
http://rt.com/politics/177248-...

Such authors will now have to register with the state watchdog Roskomnadzor, disclose their real identity and follow the same rules as journalists working in conventional state-registered mass media.

  The restrictions include the demand to verify information before publishing it and abstain from releasing reports containing slander, hate speech, extremist calls or other banned information such as, for example, advice on suicide. Also, the law bans popular bloggers from using obscene language, drawing heavy criticism and mockery from the online crowd.

So.., now you're not legally allowed to lie to a large number of people or incite violence based on those lies. Gee. That's bad how? Might be nice to have something like that in the West, because right now it's perfectly legal for FOX News to outright lie to their viewers.

Russia, like any large nation the US hates, (see Venezuela) must defend against the standard CIA tactics used to de-stabilize governments and population bases through grass roots propaganda tactics. Forcing creeps and liars out of the game seems like a pretty good way to do this. You don't want to be forced out? Then follow the law and back up your claims with fact checking verification of what you are writing, don't use hate speech and don't incite violence. How hard is that?

There's a reason you're not allowed to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, and this falls neatly beneath the same rubric.

Honestly, think of the gossips and cruel kids in school spreading lies in deliberate attempts to undermine healthy energies. Putin has the guts to whip the carpet out from under such types.

So now, once you reach 3000 readers, the Russian government says you are a news source with real pull and must start acting in a manner befitting such responsibility. Is 3000 the right magic number to have picked? I don't know, but it makes perfect sense to draw a line somewhere.

Of course, any law can be abused, but right now I don't see this as an abuse. I see it as a sensible measure as Russia is under increasing media attack by a truly psychopathic nation whose leadership is completely disconnected from objective reality, has a tail-spinning economy and seemingly bottomless war lust. Of course you have to take measures to protect your populace from that kind of sickness.

But naturally, this proactive move is being spun with wicked and/or childish glee in the West (depending on whether you are CIA or just ignorant and easily led).

they get a hitcount over 3000

It's 3000 unique visitors.

"The draft introduced the definition of a popular blogger as someone whose internet page attracts at least 3,000 readers every day (earlier this week the authorities announced that these should be unique visitors, not just page hits) [...]"

And

Individuals who violate the law can be fined between 10,000 and 30,000 rubles (US$285-$855) and in cases when popular blogs are maintained by legal entities fines can reach 500,000 rubles ($14,285)."

Source: http://rt.com/politics/177248-...
I'm not saying that I agree with their line, but what was the last ruling on slander or defamation in the US? I think it was more than USD 855.
Also, after what happened with the US backed NGOs trying to influence public opinion around the former USSR resulting in color revolutions (and, arguably, what's happening in the Ukraine now,) I'd have probably done the same to protect my national interests.

This link puts a little meat on the bones, though the story is still sketchy. Seems the law was aimed at 5 or 6 specific bloggers, though probably upwards of 500 could wind up being covered. ISPs not happy with it. Law purports to regulate Russian-language blogging, not limited by geography or physical placement. So a foreigner could theoretically run afoul of it if they publish in Russian (and become popular doing so) while a Russian could write anything they want without worry as long as they do it in another language?

Here in the US, if you build a parade float that mocks the President, he sends Justice Department agents to intimidate you and the mayor of your town.

Putin is an idiot. He started playing games with Ukraine and never saw the long game.

I'm sure that Putin, contrary to you, is quite aware of the "long game" that is going on here.

The US isn't going to fabricate evidence that can be corroborated by others independently.

that would be totally unprecedented for real now

Its not like any of those images are too small for Google Earth.

you are joking.

Nobody (except maybe Pravda) has called BS on this.

Pravda?! more joking. You are a bit out of touch, aren't you. But the Russian government denied it allright: http://rt.com/news/176120-fake...

Exactly. I kept expecting this cocksmoker to say and that's it for tonight from RT!.

Oh shut up shill, Russian military just released a 29 minutes video full of data to bust Ukraine's lies, once again proving to the world The US/Nato are lying cunts again.

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

Ukraine moved their Buk-M1 near the crash area on the same day MH17 was shot down.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter was detected being close to MH17 before the crash.

Also turns out the supposed "slam dunk" proof, the supposed video catching Russians smuggling missile system back to Russia, was another lie, the advertising board proved where and when the video was taken, and the area was controled by Ukraine at the time, Russia is now asking Ukraine what they were moving.

The video is 29 minutes long and has tons of facts to bust Ukraine's lies wide open.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area

image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left

Oh shut up shill, Russian military just released a 29 minutes video full of data to bust Ukraine's lies, once again proving to the world The US/Nato are lying cunts again.

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

Ukraine moved their Buk-M1 near the crash area on the same day MH17 was shot down.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter was detected being close to MH17 before the crash.

Also turns out the supposed "slam dunk" proof, the supposed video catching Russians smuggling missile system back to Russia, was another lie, the advertising board proved where and when the video was taken, and the area was controled by Ukraine at the time, Russia is now asking Ukraine what they were moving.

The video is 29 minutes long and has tons of facts to bust Ukraine's lies wide open.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area

image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left

Oh shut up shill, Russian military just released a 29 minutes video full of data to bust Ukraine's lies, once again proving to the world The US/Nato are lying cunts again.

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

Ukraine moved their Buk-M1 near the crash area on the same day MH17 was shot down.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter was detected being close to MH17 before the crash.

Also turns out the supposed "slam dunk" proof, the supposed video catching Russians smuggling missile system back to Russia, was another lie, the advertising board proved where and when the video was taken, and the area was controled by Ukraine at the time, Russia is now asking Ukraine what they were moving.

The video is 29 minutes long and has tons of facts to bust Ukraine's lies wide open.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area

image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

Ukraine moved their Buk-M1 near the crash area on the same day MH17 was shot down.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter was detected being close to MH17 before the crash.

Also turns out the supposed "slam dunk" proof, the supposed video catching Russians smuggling missile system back to Russia, was another lie, the advertising board proved where and when the video was taken, and the area was controled by Ukraine at the time, Russia is now asking Ukraine what they were moving.

The video is 29 minutes long and has tons of facts to bust Ukraine's lies wide open.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

ÃoeA Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, itÃ(TM)s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,Ã said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of RussiaÃ(TM)s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

Ãoe[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,Ã he stated.

ÃoeThe SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,Ã he added. ÃoeItÃ(TM)s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.Ã

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to RussiaÃ(TM)s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area

image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe Ã" 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian armyÃ(TM)s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ÃBukÃ(TM) missile systems, the Russian general said.

ÃoeWe have space images of certain places where the UkraineÃ(TM)s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,Ã Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk Ã" a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash on July 17, the military official said.

Kartapolov also pointed to the fact that on the day of the plane crash U

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

Ukraine moved their Buk-M1 near the crash area on the same day MH17 was shot down.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter was detected being close to MH17 before the crash.

Also turns out the supposed "slam dunk" proof, the supposed video catching Russians smuggling missile system back to Russia, was another lie, the advertising board proved where and when the video was taken, and the area was controled by Ukraine at the time, Russia is now asking Ukraine what they were moving.

The video is 29 minutes long and has tons of facts to bust Ukraine's lies wide open.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

ÃoeA Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, itÃ(TM)s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,Ã said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of RussiaÃ(TM)s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

Ãoe[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,Ã he stated.

ÃoeThe SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,Ã he added. ÃoeItÃ(TM)s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.Ã

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to RussiaÃ(TM)s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area

image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe Ã" 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian armyÃ(TM)s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ÃBukÃ(TM) missile systems, the Russian general said.

ÃoeWe have space images of certain places where the UkraineÃ(TM)s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,Ã Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk Ã" a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash on July 17, the military official said.

Kartapolov also pointed to the fact that on the day of the plane crash U

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

Ukraine moved their Buk-M1 near the crash area on the same day MH17 was shot down.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter was detected being close to MH17 before the crash.

Also turns out the supposed "slam dunk" proof, the supposed video catching Russians smuggling missile system back to Russia, was another lie, the advertising board proved where and when the video was taken, and the area was controled by Ukraine at the time, Russia is now asking Ukraine what they were moving.

The video is 29 minutes long and has tons of facts to bust Ukraine's lies wide open.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

ÃoeA Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, itÃ(TM)s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,Ã said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of RussiaÃ(TM)s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

Ãoe[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,Ã he stated.

ÃoeThe SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,Ã he added. ÃoeItÃ(TM)s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.Ã

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to RussiaÃ(TM)s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area

image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe Ã" 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian armyÃ(TM)s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ÃBukÃ(TM) missile systems, the Russian general said.

ÃoeWe have space images of certain places where the UkraineÃ(TM)s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,Ã Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk Ã" a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash on July 17, the military official said.

Kartapolov also pointed to the fact that on the day of the plane crash U

Not that a Ukrainian error of identification would have been any more or less tragic, although it's less plausible since the separatists are not operating any air assets that I'm aware of so the Ukrainians are much more likely to be very conservative with regard to their anti-air grid.

Yes, but...

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 298, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

And the planes look almost identical. Have a look. http://rt.com/news/173672-mala...

The answer is no and this article nails it.

Quote:

And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time.

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48pm)"

"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"

"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"

"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"

"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"

"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

And quote:

So who profits?

The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin.

As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off, especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass. And this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.

And quote:

For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag: Evidence Continues to Emerge #MH17 Is a False Flag Operation

Jumping to conclusion and making baseless accusations then quickly got modded up, you look like an agent, but since you're not posting AC I'll give you the benefit of the doubt:

Of course you can't understand why, because you've been fed bullshit by your media.

This and this will help you get back to reality.

How is your day at your NSA brainwashing office?

Putin didn't do it and this article nails it.

Quote:

And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time.

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48pm)"

"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"

"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"

"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"

"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"

"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

And quote:

So who profits?

The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin.

As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off Ã" especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass. And this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.

And quote:

For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.

The answer is no and this article nails it.

Quote:

And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time.

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48pm)"

"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"

"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"

"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"

"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"

"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

And quote:

So who profits?

The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin.

As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off Ã" especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass. And this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.

And quote:

For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.

The difficulty being, your references are estimates based on what dose threshold?

Well, you have to go three citations deep to reach the original model they're working off of. Which turns out to be a conservative application of Linear No Threshold. Which... isn't actually testable for any reasonable value of statistical significance over the populations they're attempting to apply it to.

The BEIR VII risk models are a combination of excess relative risk (ERR) and excess absolute risk (EAR) models, both of which are written as a linear function of dose, depending on sex, age at exposure and attained age. The BEIR VII risk models were derived from analyses of data on the Japanese atomic bomb survivors for all cancer sites except breast and thyroid; for the latter, they were based on published combined analyses of data on the atomic bomb survivors and medically exposed cohorts.40, 41 To estimate risks from exposure at low doses and dose rates, a dose and dose-rate effectiveness factor (DDREF) of 1.5 was used for all outcomes except leukemia.

The biological effects of acute radiation exposure >1 Gy are reasonably well-known, are the basis for the linear-no-threshold model, and completely inapplicable to this sitation, as even the most-exposed workers at the Fukushima accident site did even approach this dose, despite the multiple situations where workers were exposed to doses in excess of legal limits.

The biological effects of short term dose less than 0.05 Gy or low-dose long-term exposure are also reasonably well-known, in that there is no statistically significant effect.

Unless you're dealing with the aftermath of a global thermonuclear war, the linear-no-threshold model is nearly useless from an epidemiological perspective, and so are conclusions reached using it.