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This is the case for any normal country, as well it should be. I can't believe I'm defending Obama on something,

- that's because you have no idea what you are actually defending OR talking about. In case I am pointing out USA DOJ was on a FISHING EXPEDITION, there weren't even court orders against any specific people, there was a BLANKET DEMAND FOR ALL INFORMATION ON ALL ACCOUNTS HELD BY ANY AMERICANS IN A SWISS BANK.

but they're right on this one: if a country's legal system has a valid case for something, and issues a court order ordering you to turn something over, you can't just avoid a court order by saying "it's in my summer home in another country!". If you refuse, they can hold you in contempt of court until you decide to produce it. Maybe the other country can't be compelled to give it up, but you're in this country, and they can keep you in jail as long as they want.

- proves one thing, you have 0 idea of what you are talking about. 0 (*zero*, nada, zilch, zip, empty space, empty head).

Tax evasion is not a crime in Switzerland and shouldn't be anywhere else either, by the way. Defining tax evasion as a crime is an act of aggression against individual rights of people on this planet by the cooperating collective mob and the mafia known as 'government'.

The US government applied tariffs to Chinese solar panels because the Chinese were dumping them in the US market. If they can agree to see their product in our market for a fair price, sure we can climate the tariffs; otherwise, forget it cause we're not killing our on shore manufacturing and watching the prices skyrocket.

http://rt.com/business/163552-...

And yet their own intelligence agencies have no issue with sharing and working with the NSA.

http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
http://rt.com/news/germany-nsa...

Germany's government was perfectly fine with the NSA's surveillance until they found out they were being spied on too. It's faux outrage meant to deflect people's attention from them being in bed with the NSA for years.

this is a form of mind control. and DOD funding was involved, aka looks like programs like MKULTRA are alive and well like all the whistleblowers talk about.

RT.com actually did the link to the DOD/military part taking in the tests. mass mood/emotion manipulation through whatever medium the DOD targets!

http://rt.com/usa/169848-penta...

Learn more about military mind control (which is also what surveillance is used for, because they can learn how to target us using information we provide or believe): http://www.obamasweapon.com/

Wouldn't matter. The police search to produce evidence that is admissible in court. If they were to search a cell phone illegally, they could not use any of the evidence obtained from it in court, thus making the search useless in the first place.

Yes, it's not as if there's any recent evidence that US governmental entities sometimes obtain information by one method! then pretend they got it a different way.

Where would that be?

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but they can conduct a border search up to 100 miles from the border, with no probable cause or justification (or a warrant).

Government keeps making exceptions and saying "well, that doesn't apply here".

In this specific case, you can completely ignore the intent of the 4th amendment by saying "border search".

And, since about two thirds of US citizens are in this zone, most Americans can be searched in a way which would otherwise be illegal, but defended under a horseshit exemption.

This is what is referred to as the area which is now magically exempt from the Constitution. Because we can search anybody, for any reason, and bypass your Constitutional protections.

Which scenario do you think is more likely?

Well ... gee ... let me think.

This kid:

"Someone had said something to the effect of 'Oh you're insane, you're crazy, you're messed up in the head,'" he called, "to which he replied 'Oh yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts.'"

According to Carter, he ended the quip with "LOL" and "JK" -- Internet shorthand for "laugh out loud" and "just kidding," respectively.

It's a real thing, it has happened already. No evidence of a crime (or even the actual intent to commit one). But someone sees it and goes "eep", and then you get dragged off to jail.

Arresting people based solely on their tweets or FB posts will very rapidly devolve into an outright ban of saying anything critical of government officials or policy -- AKA fascism.

You seem to be under the impression this isn't happening already.

It is.

So, ask me again if I think what I said is a plausible scenario. Because I said it with the full knowledge it has already happened.

Not sure why you have to link Russia Today for something well reported that happened in Texas, but moving on...

If you said what that kid said in any public setting, what would you honestly expect? Hell, if people could SEE he was a teenager, they would be MORE LIKELY to report what they perceived as a real threat.

Evidence and intent is for the actual trial, but I think what he said is enough for a warrant.

Which scenario do you think is more likely?

Well ... gee ... let me think.

This kid:

"Someone had said something to the effect of 'Oh you're insane, you're crazy, you're messed up in the head,'" he called, "to which he replied 'Oh yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts.'"

According to Carter, he ended the quip with "LOL" and "JK" -- Internet shorthand for "laugh out loud" and "just kidding," respectively.

It's a real thing, it has happened already. No evidence of a crime (or even the actual intent to commit one). But someone sees it and goes "eep", and then you get dragged off to jail.

Arresting people based solely on their tweets or FB posts will very rapidly devolve into an outright ban of saying anything critical of government officials or policy -- AKA fascism.

You seem to be under the impression this isn't happening already.

It is.

So, ask me again if I think what I said is a plausible scenario. Because I said it with the full knowledge it has already happened.

It's a good step, no doubt about it, although given recent caving of Swiss entities to US bullying I do not feel as ebullient as I want to.

Those "other people" are generally poor

No they aren't. Median household income for farmers was $87, 289 in 2011 and has gone up more since then. That is far higher than than the American overall median household income. This is NOT a case of the rich subsidizing the poor, it is the other way around.

You do realize that there are a great many rural households that aren't 'farmers'? I'd be willing to bet that for every 'farmer household' there are at least 10 other 'non-farmer households'.

Those "other people" are generally poor

No they aren't. Median household income for farmers was $87, 289 in 2011 and has gone up more since then. That is far higher than than the American overall median household income. This is NOT a case of the rich subsidizing the poor, it is the other way around.

I'd call American democracy a pretty good prototype of the real thing.

But its just a prototype, and beta ended loooong ago.

That America's even a democracy appears to be under debate at the moment...
Oligarchy, not democracy: Americans have ‘near-zero’ input on policy – report

The grandson of Joseph Stalin wants a criminal case to be opened against Ukrainian investigators of the 1930s mass famine. Last week a Ukrainian court put the blame for the famine on Stalin and several other officials. Evgeny Dzhugashvili believes the sentence is libelous and wants the agents of the Ukrainian Security Service involved in the case as well as the judges who reviewed it to be punished for the decision, he told the Ukrainian newspaper Sevodnya. http://rt.com/news/stalins-gra...

You should tell the 30 strong team from Poland, Austria, France, Germany, Belgium, Bulgaria, Hungary, Greece, Italy and Latvia that they weren't there...

No tensions in Ukraine’s autonomous republic of Crimea were reported by the team of international observers Saturday, as they started monitoring polling stations and readying for the crucial vote on the peninsula’s independence.

Thirty observers, who come from 10 European nations, have arrived in Crimea at the invitation of the republic's election commission and have already started their work, Mateusz Piskorski, the director of the European Geopolitical Analysis Centre and the mission coordinator, said.

“At the moment we are starting to monitor the preparation of polling stations. In general, the situation is very calm, there is no tension,” he told Interfax news agency. “Everyone hopes there will be no provocations."

Members of the mission come from Poland, Austria, France, Germany, Belgium, Bulgaria, Hungary, Greece, Italy and Latvia. Representing the European Democracy and Election Monitoring Institute (Brussels), they are deputies from the European parliament, members of national parliaments of their native countries, as well as leading European international law experts and famous human rights activists.

http://rt.com/news/crimea-refe...

Which is of course why the denial. Does anyone actually believe that denial, not for a second. The US government and it's agencies have all already be caught out repeatedly lying about everything they do, the only things they don't lie about are the ones the keep secret. Now if one were to take those lies into court and count each and every individual criminal action and each and every individual affected and then lied about, you are talking about hundreds of millions even billions of fully automated computerised lies. The NSA is definitely well within the boy who cried wolf stage, with not a word to be believed about anything until such time as their is a legal and public cleansing and that will never happen.

So whom to believe the NSA or http://www.bloomberg.com/news/... or http://rt.com/usa/google-nsa-h.... So likely the proof is in the pudding, how many NSA secured sites were affected by heartbleed, hmmm?

Incorrect. You get "landslides" with 55% of votes only when people have to chose between Giant Douche and Shit Sandwich.

Referenda, especially independence referenda, often get 90%+ participation. For example, just last month Putin has obviously orchestrated a non-binding independence referendum in Venice: 89% of participants voted for independence with 75% turnover ( http://rt.com/news/venice-vote... ).

At first I thought it was Russian propaganda.

There is no logic in your statement.

US giving up control might stop censorship by US government, for example FBI taking down non-US servers.

Point fingers at "anti-vaxxers" all you want, that's not the root of the issue (not to say that it's not an issue). So long as we keep cramming more and more humans into smaller and smaller areas, we're just begging for a pandemic to come through and wipe out a fair amount of the population.

Think about new "super-diseases" like MRSA, or H041 Gonorrhea, which some experts are saying is a worse STD than AIDS.

No vaccination is going to save you from disease-related death if you're all crammed together like cattle in a slaughter shoot.

NSA_backdoor_trojan:

AMD processors were found to have similar vulnerabilities.

Mascarading as a debug mode, all hardware and thus software security features can be bypassed. Essentially allowing both stealth software operation, bypassing root and administrator authentication restrictions, and more. Intel is known to have similar functionality, but its not publically disclosed yet.. http://hardware.slashdot.org/s...

NSA compiled and uses all these exploits whether it was installed there for them or not.

Windows also has NSAKEY installed and all vulnerabilities and the source code of Windows is turned over to the NSA before the things can be patched, allowing NSA to locate and exploit vulnerabilities for hacking us and everyone else. http://www.washingtonsblog.com...

RSA also put in exploits so SSL / Etc would be vulnerable to their attack, as the leaks indicated. http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

Stuxnet virus was created by NSA. http://rt.com/news/snowden-nsa...

NSA and GCHQ are recording us masturbating. http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

FBI records us even when our devices are powered off. http://www.washingtonsblog.com...

NSA is ceiling cat watching us masturbate with space capability and electron imaging/radar systems. They are recording all calls and saving the content, not just metadata. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb... and http://youtu.be/d6m1XbWOfVk

NSA has Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface (patented by Robert Malech in 1974, deployed in all radar in 1976), aka Remote Neural Monitoring first disclosed in Nexus Magazine in 1996 by John St Claire Akwei. Backed up today by Dr. Robert Duncan who helped invented these weapons, being used to attack and control us. http://www.oregonstatehospital... http://www.oregonstatehospital...

TAO hacking unit, NSA: http://www.spiegel.de/internat...

Obama is raping and murdering and torturing thousands of his own citizens, committing acts of Genocide worse than any dictator ever before. He has killed his own people and covered it up. http://www.obamasweapon.com/

When the parliament removed him from office he had no authority to authorize foreign troops on Ukrainian soil. Viktor Yanukovych was democratically elected and democratically removed.

Please read this: http://rt.com/news/ukraine-wes...

You mean the president who attempted to go against the wishes of the people in signing the trade deal with Russia instead of the one with the EU.

Oh YEAH, it's MUCH better to sign a deal with the fucking IMF over loans than to get 16b right away!

The president that was unconstitutionally removed from power by the democratically elected parliament?

FTFY.

The president who used troops to kill 83 Ukrainians.

Please read this: http://rt.com/news/estonia-con...

The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister

Care to explain why the west prefers to deal with people that do these things? Oh right, the west doesn't care who to deal with as long as their interests are fulfilled.

Hiding something?

Leaving out the irrelevant information. It's a democratically elected PM of a region with predominantly Russian-speaking population. Doesn't fit your narrative? Tough.

Yeltsen

The puppet Yeltsin can go and fuck himself. That document was not ratified. The RF has a parliament, you know? Amongst its duties are:

[...] the ratification of international treaties [...]

.

When the parliament removed him from office he had no authority to authorize foreign troops on Ukrainian soil. Viktor Yanukovych was democratically elected and democratically removed.

Please read this: http://rt.com/news/ukraine-wes...

You mean the president who attempted to go against the wishes of the people in signing the trade deal with Russia instead of the one with the EU.

Oh YEAH, it's MUCH better to sign a deal with the fucking IMF over loans than to get 16b right away!

The president that was unconstitutionally removed from power by the democratically elected parliament?

FTFY.

The president who used troops to kill 83 Ukrainians.

Please read this: http://rt.com/news/estonia-con...

The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister

Care to explain why the west prefers to deal with people that do these things? Oh right, the west doesn't care who to deal with as long as their interests are fulfilled.

Hiding something?

Leaving out the irrelevant information. It's a democratically elected PM of a region with predominantly Russian-speaking population. Doesn't fit your narrative? Tough.

Yeltsen

The puppet Yeltsin can go and fuck himself. That document was not ratified. The RF has a parliament, you know? Amongst its duties are:

[...] the ratification of international treaties [...]

.

Being a Soviet republic be the first step in joining the Russian Federation?

Huh? What do you mean? How are those two things related?

4. The Russian Federation guaranteed the territorial integrity [wikipedia.org] of the Ukraine.

Please Joe, there's a difference between "assurance" and "guarantee", besides it being an unratified agreement.

5. The Russian Federation has now invaded the Crimea.

Repeat after me: this is not an invasion.

In case you're wondering about stationing the troops only on the bases,
- the *democratically elected* president of Ukraine asked Russia to use military force.

[Putin] added that deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych had no political future but asserted he was legally still head of state. "I think that he has no political future. And I told him this," Mr Putin said [...] (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669670/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html)

- Russia was asked by the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to aid them:

Sergei Aksenov, the [...] prime minister of the Crimea region, has declared that he is in control of all military, police and other security services in the region. But he appealed to Russia's president for help in keeping peace there.(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10670827/Ukraine-live-Crimea-leader-appeals-to-Putin-to-help-as-Obama-warns-of-costs-to-Moscow.html)

Many members were threatened not to vote, others have been ousted by the mob. I'll have to dig for sources, but it's fresh enough where a google search should work. While this link is to RT (subject to bias) this shows a different view of what's happening than US media. This is why I suggested to look at both pieces media and look toward the middle. RT and Al Jazeera both have completely different "news" from the Western AP.

Before you say it, yes I read each source as biased and try to do a bit of research. The point is that the US and UK media is just as biased in the opposite direction. I work with and discuss politics with people from those areas. One would guess that these people would side with the US on most of these issues because they have no fear of being sent to a Russian jail. You will find the contrary however.

The modern incarnation of tea party groups is basically a lesson in major party co-option and poisoning of a movement to neutralize it. The Democrats certainly don't want to focus on its origins, because those are rooted in an anti-war / anti-coroporate welfare philosophy and Democrats still like to pretend they aren't neo-cons. The GOP certainly didn't want it to spread and disturb its social issue message which it uses to cover its financially wanton behavior.

As for recent history, which has been effectively erased by both parties, there were Ron Paul Tea Party events in 2007 with a major focus on ending the wars in the middle east and protecting civil liberties: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Check out the tags on the boxes being thrown in the the water for example around 1 minute in: "iraq war" "corporate welfare" "homeland security" etc. Or this video from Nov. 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... which is 80% anti-war (warning, pictures of burned and blown up kids from Iraq or Afghanistan).

Then shortly after Obama's election, Karl Denninger popularized an idea of sending tea bags to Congress. http://market-ticker.org/akcs-... His focus was on the fraud and abuse the Feds winked at during the financial meltdown, and he was livid when the GOP coopted the Tea Party, and turned it into some "Guns, Gays, God" focused BS: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-... Indeed, it took almost no time for the GOP to co-opt the Tea Party: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

And in case you think Denninger is just another Koch brother wannabe, he voted for Obama in 2007: http://voxday.blogspot.com/201...

He also supported the Occupy Movement's focus on banking fraud and interestingly, thought it's lack of centralization good, seeing centralization as the fatal exploitable flaw for tea party groups: http://rt.com/usa/tea-occupy-d...

Anyway, today's Tea Party is a caricature the DNC and GOP created for their own purposes by poisoning the original ideas.

I talk about SS parades and monuments in Latvia. Supported and mandated by the government.

I follow developments in the Baltics somewhat, and I have never heard of this. I found a story on RT about a Latvian Waffen SS veterans' march, which was accompanied by an anti-fascist counter-demonstration. I could imagine that some Latvians view the SS as heroes even though Nazi Germany occupied Latvia, because the Nazis fought the Soviets, and the Soviet occupation that followed was much more brutal than the Nazi occupation. I don't think the police or the government is taking sides here, even though RT (which is known for its propaganda stories) tries to spin it that way: in a democratic society, everyone has the right to assemble and express opinions, and one job of the police is guaranteeing that right – even if it means protecting someone paying tribute to Nazi history from an angry mob.

I talk about the discrimination of ethnic Russians who were refused the citizenship and were stripped of some rights there.

I understand some people of Russian ethnicity who moved or were moved to the Baltics during the Soviet occupation do not have a citizenship of the Baltic state that they reside in, among others because the Baltic states require a proficiency in the official state language – which is not Russian – and the state views those Russian-speakers as being citizens of the modern-day Russian federation. However, since these people have no Russian citizenship either, they are not citizens of any country. Living as a non-citizen can be difficult, but every day more and more ethnic Russian receive the citizenship through successful assimilation.

Lithuanian government pursuits the use of Soviet symbolic but does not do the same to the Nazi insignia. All of the above routinely ignored by the European Union.

I was not able to find a source, but I don't find this at all surprising. Displaying Nazi insignia is banned in Germany and Israel, because Germans and Jews suffered tremendously from Nazism. The people of the Baltics suffered tremendously from the Soviet occupation, so it is understandable that they in turn do not tolerate Soviet symbols.

A 2013 WHO report predicts that for populations living in the most affected areas there is a 70% higher risk of developing thyroid cancer for girls exposed as infants (the risk has risen from a lifetime risk of 0.75% to 1.25%), a 7% higher risk of leukemia in males exposed as infants, a 6% higher risk of breast cancer in females exposed as infants and a 4% higher risk, overall, of developing solid cancers for females.

No offense random slashdot denizen, but I don't believe you know what you're posting about.

http://rt.com/usa/fukushima-ge...

The fact that radiation is measurable 5 times higher on the california coast, should give you an idea of the coverup being performed to prevent mass hysteria. This is neither good nor bad, just simple deduction.

Any place that has someone with Russian blood is apparently in danger of invasion by Russia to "save them."

Should I be awaiting Russian tanks in Berlin and Paris next then?

Take your bullshit neo-con sources and shove them up your ass. Putin did not "Declare war on Ukraine."

If Russia is "well within its rights" to invade, then, I would say that NATO is well within it rights to come to the assistance of Ukraine at Ukraine's request, and Ukraine is well within its rights to rearm with nuclear weapons.

First, that's not an invasion, if Russia would invade, the pictures would look different.
Second, NATO is not going to intervene, they're crazy but not total morons. As long as there is no official government that was elected by the Ukrainian people, the current nazi radicals can beg all they want. Btw, why don't you look at who got appointed as governors today?
Third, the IAEA as well as the EU would have a lot against the Ukraine arming itself with nuclear weapons.

Why don't you complain about the USSR's actions to the Supreme Soviet.

You seem to have missed the fact that Russia is the heir of the USSR? I could complain to the Duma deputies and it would have the same effect (none).

Russia's current behavior is a menace to peace.

LOL, look who's talking. HAHAHAHAHA Just like Kerry... LMAO!

So, why don't you mind your own business

That's what they do, actually.

keep your country out of Ukraine

Rather than having my own country, I'd like a world without borders, without banks and with abundance of everything as we mine other planets and explore space together.
Stop using Fox news rhetorics, and go check out Russia Today! Maybe you'll be able to figure out what's real by dividing one propaganda machine by the other.

of which "Right Sector" and other fringe right-wing groups are a minority

You mean like the right-wing minority that's in power in Kiev right now asking a terrorist to step up their fight, and subsequently claiming that his website was hacked and he didn't post that request?

Nationalism is a global plague that affects all nations.

So Russia was in a war with Crimea

No, the Crimea is russian, you should pay more attention!

Russia invading Crimea

Have some of this as a change to western propaganda, so you might weigh those opinions against each other and get a glimpse of what's really happenning.
While you're at it, have a history lesson ("58% of the population of Crimea are ethnic Russians"). K? Thx. Bye!

The groundwater wells between the reactors and the sea are giving readings as high as 2.7 million becquerels / liter now. Other reports say far more - up into the hundreds of millions of becquerels per liter. Previous readings were far lower. The becquerel is an exceptionally small unit, but it is not small enough for that level of radioactivity to not be a threat to the health and safety of someone digging a well. Just coming in contact with that would probably mean the end of your career in nuclear energy.

Also RT covered the Europium:

http://rt.com/op-edge/chernoby...

Now you can say they are no better, but do you really want to tell us to
trust the "operation mockingbird" media ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...

And it is regulated. http://rt.com/usa/bitcoin-sec-... So, more political theater...

Do you think it's necessary, or even a good idea? Do you own any?

It's like he has never answered that question before.

They could probably solve this by giving people free pizza
http://rt.com/usa/chevron-frac...

(On a serious note, why does it take a PR scandal to make a fatal explosion at an gas well newsworthy?)

On a serious note, why does a fatal natural gas wellhead explosion have anything to do with where the natural gas reservoir originated?

It's a well safety issue; it doesn't matter if the reservoir was naturally occurring, came from fracking, was put there by aliens, or was put there by a God with a sense of humor, trying to convince us that the Earth was more than 6,000 years old: unsafely operated natural gas wells can explode.

They could probably solve this by giving people free pizza
http://rt.com/usa/chevron-frac...

(On a serious note, why does it take a PR scandal to make a fatal explosion at an gas well newsworthy?)

The other party tries to the be adults in the room

Both of America's major parties would say this about themselves — and the other guys.

But also willing to match crazy statement with crazy statement.

But if you happen to represent the party in power currently, then it must be the "crazy" stage right now — and for the last 6 years at least. America has rapidly slipped in both — economic freedom and in press freedom during the period. The Party — and the President — calling themselves "Liberal" presided over the liberties slipping away. Crazy indeed.

RT.com is the Kremlin's mouthpiece in the West. The Kremlin's power derives from oil money, and they desperately need oil prices to remain above $100/barrel. Oil prices are undermined by fracking. Russia has been engaged in an anti-fracking campaign in Europe, and apparently, they're bringing this campaign to the US. In the meantime, you can expect more articles attempting to undermine the Western hemisphere's domestic oil operations, such as this one: http://rt.com/usa/native-ameri.... I'm not pro- or anti- some oil production or transport method or another. I'm simply saying that there's insight to be gleaned from examining from where certain information originates.

The hack was published by "Syrian Electronic Army", a pro-Assad hacker group.
Russia Today article Assad and Putin fighting online surveillance...

I don't think that represents the mentality of society as a whole. Just the media, because their financial incentive is to lock in an audience by tailoring their message.

The sooner we realize that's poison to civic discourse, the faster we'll get back on track to a functioning democracy.

Which is even sadder because the media, if properly done, can be an effective check on government power and corruption. Fighting these requires people to be informed. The government's obviously not going to inform us of their abuses so we need someone else to. The media SHOULD be finding abuses like these and bringing them to light. Instead, we get an interview with a member of Congress on the subject of the NSA cut short because there's "breaking news" about Bieber. Unless he had just revealed that he's an alien from another planet - complete with iron-clad proof - those priorities were seriously out of whack.

We NEED the media for society to function in a healthy manner. We just need the media to act properly and they for the most part aren't. There might be pockets of actual journalism left, but they are increasingly being pushed aside by OMG BIEBER journalism and "We'll skew the facts to fit your already established political views so you don't need to think" journalism.

is out of order, i heard today.

The Chinese moon rover, Yutu (Jade Rabbit), has experienced a mechanical control abnormality, and scientists are organizing repairs. The difficult environment was blamed for the malfunction.

The glitch occurred due to the "complicated lunar surface environment,” the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND) said in a report on the issue.

The abnormality occurred before the rover entered its second dormant phase on Saturday after the lunar night set in, while the lander, another part of the mission, also “fell asleep” on Friday.

The researchers are currently "organizing an overhaul", according to the SASTIND report quoted by the Xinhua state news agency.

The lunar night is equal to about a fortnight on Earth.

During that time, the temperature plunges to minus 180 degrees Celsius, and the rover, which is equipped with a solar panel, falls dormant due to lack of sunlight.

The Yutu rover gets information via its radar, panorama camera, a particle X-ray device and infrared imaging equipment, according to SASTIND.

The mission, called Chang'e-3, landed on the Moon on December 14, and was the third successful attempt to soft-land a spacecraft after the US and Russia (at the time of the landing – the Soviet Union).

In total, 130 lunar probes have been carried out, with a success rate of only around 51 percent, Wu Weiren, chief designer of China's lunar probe program, told Xinhua in an interview.

http://rt.com/news/rover-china...

On the other hand, lets say we send another Curiosity, with minimal changes.
Building 10 of these in parallel.
That 1.8 billion drops dramatically, because its already developed. We build in better wheels (they are taking a beating), but leave the rest pretty much the same, resisting the urge to redesign everything from scratch all over again.

Now that 1.8B drops to just the cost in time and personnel to build, test, and package, I'm guessing maybe .2B ea, but lets go with .5B.
Same .7B to launch and operate for each vehicle.
So the whole fleet of these, plus launch and operations cost 15B, or about the same as One Gerald R Ford

the popcorn kids don't have much training and the $500 bonus is a lot when you work at min wage.

http://rt.com/usa/mpaa-camera-...

By david e. sanger and thom shanker = jan. 14, 2014

= URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
=Image: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.jpg
== Coverage #1: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/1324216/nyt-nsa-put-100000-radio-pathway-backdoors-in-pcs
== Coverage #2: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.htm
== Coverage #3: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
=== Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140116010210/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html

"WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world that allows the United States to conduct surveillance on those machines and can also create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks.

While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.

The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.

The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of "active defense" against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls "computer network exploitation."

"Whatâ(TM)s new here is the scale and the sophistication of the intelligence agencyâ(TM)s ability to get into computers and networks to which no one has ever had access before," said James Andrew Lewis, the cybersecurity expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "Some of these capabilities have been around for a while, but the combination of learning how to penetrate systems to insert software and learning how to do that using radio frequencies has given the U.S. a win

All the powerful countries played this game. Students from around the world found their way to the US, Soviet Union/Russia, France, UK for total access to top quality education.
They where to return home with expert skills (linked to the host nations brands), a glowing personal account of their academic and new lifelong friendships.
Over time it was hoped the once young students would move up in their nations public or private power structures reflecting fondly recalling their education and years abroad.
This would give exports from US, Soviet Union, France, UK an edge or direct contact via friends, academics during trade negations, loans, weapons sales, imports, shaping the left or right wing of an emerging country.
The real issue is the total leaking of expensive emerging science and engineering technology over time for 'free' to emerging countries.
"Bob" or "Sally" return home with much more than a degree - long term contacts and sensitive technology finds its way out of top US, Soviet Union/Russia, France, UK institutions over time due to 'funding' pressure.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-08/american-universities-infected-by-foreign-spies-detected-by-fbi.html
Peter the Great is the warning from history - don't let your trade become a flood of raw materials out and have overpriced fashionable trinkets as imports. http://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/the-romanov-dynasty/peter-i/
The Cold War was is littered with efforts like/under, funding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Committee_on_United_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Policy_Coordination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Student_Association
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples'_Friendship_University_of_Russia
Modern art was CIA 'weapon'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html via International Organisations Division (IOD)

By david e. sanger and thom shanker = jan. 14, 2014

= URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
= Image: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.jpg
== Coverage #1: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/1324216/nyt-nsa-put-100000-radio-pathway-backdoors-in-pcs
== Coverage #2: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.htm
== Coverage #3: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
== Coverage #4: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/nsa-uses-covert-radio-transmissions-to-monitor-100000-bugged-computers/
=== Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140116010210/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html

"WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world that allows the United States to conduct surveillance on those machines and can also create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks.

While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.

The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.

The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of "active defense" against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls "computer network exploitation."

"What's new here is the scale and the sophistication of the intelligence agency's ability to get into computers and networks to which no one has ever had access before," said James Andrew Lewis, the cybersecurity expert at the Center for Strategic and Interna

N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers

By david e. sanger and thom shanker = jan. 14, 2014

= URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
= Image: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.jpg
== Coverage #1: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/1324216/nyt-nsa-put-100000-radio-pathway-backdoors-in-pcs
== Coverage #2: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.htm
== Coverage #3: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
== Coverage #4: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/nsa-uses-covert-radio-transmissions-to-monitor-100000-bugged-computers/
=== Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140116010210/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html

"WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world that allows the United States to conduct surveillance on those machines and can also create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks.

While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.

The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.

The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of "active defense" against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls "computer network exploitation."

"What's new here is the scale and the sophistication of the intelligence agency's ability to get into computers and networks to which no one has ever had access before," said James Andrew Lewis, the cybersecur

N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers

By david e. sanger and thom shanker = jan. 14, 2014

= URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
= Image: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.jpg
== Coverage #1: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/1324216/nyt-nsa-put-100000-radio-pathway-backdoors-in-pcs
== Coverage #2: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.htm
== Coverage #3: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
== Coverage #4: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/nsa-uses-covert-radio-transmissions-to-monitor-100000-bugged-computers/
=== Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140116010210/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html

"WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world that allows the United States to conduct surveillance on those machines and can also create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks.

While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.

The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.

The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of "active defense" against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls "computer network exploitation."

"What's new here is the scale and the sophistication of the intelligence agency's ability to get into computers and networks to which no one has ever had access before," said James Andrew Lewis, the cybersecur

N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers

By david e. sanger and thom shanker = jan. 14, 2014

= URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
= Image: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.jpg
== Coverage #1: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/1324216/nyt-nsa-put-100000-radio-pathway-backdoors-in-pcs
== Coverage #2: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.htm
== Coverage #3: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
=== Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140116010210/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html

"WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world that allows the United States to conduct surveillance on those machines and can also create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks.

While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.

The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.

The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of "active defense" against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls "computer network exploitation."

"What's new here is the scale and the sophistication of the intelligence agency's ability to get into computers and networks to which no one has ever had access before," said James Andrew Lewis, the cybersecurity expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "Some of these capabilities have been around for a while, but the combination of learning how to penetrate systems to insert software and learning how to do that using radio fre

N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers

By david e. sanger and thom shanker = jan. 14, 2014

= URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
=Image: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.jpg
== Coverage #1: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/1324216/nyt-nsa-put-100000-radio-pathway-backdoors-in-pcs
== Coverage #2: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-radio.htm
== Coverage #3: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
=== Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140116010210/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html

"WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world that allows the United States to conduct surveillance on those machines and can also create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks.

While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.

The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.

The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of "active defense" against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls "computer network exploitation."

"Whatâ(TM)s new here is the scale and the sophistication of the intelligence agencyâ(TM)s ability to get into computers and networks to which no one has ever had access before," said James Andrew Lewis, the cybersecurity expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "Some of these capabilities have been around for a while, but the combination of learning how to penetrate systems to insert software and learning how to do tha