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Michael Sims is a liar and void of ethics.

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Michael Sims is a liar and void of ethics.

Valuable information about the FreeSoftware/OpenSource/Linux movements and their excellent, superior software can be found here, here, here, here and here.

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Support Free Software! Buy a mug or t-shirt today! This is how open source morons earn their money, you know! By being beggars!

Michael Sims is a liar and void of ethics.

Valuable information about the FreeSoftware/OpenSource/Linux movements and their excellent, superior software can be found here, here, here, here and here.

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Support Free Software! Buy a mug or t-shirt today! This is how open source morons earn their money, you know! By being beggars!

Michael Sims is a liar and void of ethics.

Valuable information about the FreeSoftware/OpenSource/Linux movements and their excellent, superior software can be found here, here, here, here and here.

Examples of the excellent community spirit within that movement that will help us bring down the evil, illegal Microsoft monopoly: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

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Michael Sims is a liar.

Valuable information about the FreeSoftware/OpenSource/Linux movements and their excellent, superior software can be found here, here, here, here and here.

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Michael Sims is a liar.

Project Entropia will have a real economy system that allows you as a user to exchange real life money into PED (Project Entropia Dollars) and then back into a real currency again.

But the house always wins ...

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Has anyone else gone to college intending to prepare for one career, only to fall into another, either by luck or design?

Many people ended up programming based on these forces. When there is a scarcity, employers tend not to care much about your degree (the recent dot-boom was an extreme example of this phenomena). But inversely, the number of jobs for physics majors per se has always been far less than the number of people competing for them.

Mathematically, it's the Pigeonhole Principle. Small numbers of jobs and large numbers of people chasing them lead to many people not getting the jobs. So they go elsewhere by necessity. It's that simple. See what a math education gets you ...

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But isn't it overkill for a data-crunching operation? As many other people have noted, it would seem you're much better off checkpointing your data to disk, rather than relying on low-level OS process wizardry.

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My theory is that the difference between Slashdot and other media is that they never correct themselves, no matter how inaccurate, so readers are left with a false picture of accuracy.

I can't resist: Cheap Irony: Are you now going to correct yourself on the subject of corrections?

Now, what merits a correction, that's lots of fun fodder for media analysis. Of course you won't have to pay out on the challenge, because this sort of article isn't the type of material that is thought to require a correction (but if you were fair, you'd send me a Thinkgeek T-shirt anyway for catching you out above :-)).

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According to the site, Yahoo plans to charge consumers between $1 and $4 to retrieve files from a specialized database of some 25 million research documents culled from 7,100 publications, including academic periodicals. Yahoo also expects to offer a "Premium Discount Search" option of 50 documents a month for $4.95.

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Iseek have already made provision within the existing server software for the inclusion of a new category called "ABA". This category will include all URLs provided by the ABA in accordance with the take-down notices. Iseek would be able to accept the URLs via FTP etc.. and push the updated list out to all operational servers daily along with the normal daily list updates.

Again, this is old, and modifications in the Australian law render it no longer applicable. I eventually came to the conclusion that the "Australian" blacklist bit never got implemented (at least in what I could examine). So it seems that the bans works, operationally, by the Australian government just sending the sites to various censorware companies. The blacklisted sites are then just mixed into the general huge censorware blacklist itself.

Amusing footnote: A little before everything broke loose in What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org), I actually tried to enlist Michael Sims' support in my first idea for a technical attack on the Austrialian blacklist. This was because at the time he was well-positioned (as a "journalist", and also with other contacts) to take certain legal risks which I found extremely worrisome. No help whatsoever, in any form. Luckily, it seems not to have mattered.

Iseek have already made provision within the existing server software for the inclusion of a new category called "ABA". This category will include all URLs provided by the ABA in accordance with the take-down notices. Iseek would be able to accept the URLs via FTP etc.. and push the updated list out to all operational servers daily along with the normal daily list updates.

Again, this is old, and modifications in the Australian law render it no longer applicable. I eventually came to the conclusion that the "Australian" blacklist bit never got implemented (at least in what I could examine). So it seems that the bans works, operationally, by the Australian government just sending the sites to various censorware companies. The blacklisted sites are then just mixed into the general huge censorware blacklist itself.

Amusing footnote: A little before everything broke loose in What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org), I actually tried to enlist Michael Sims' support in my first idea for a technical attack on the Austrialian blacklist. This was because at the time he was well-positioned (as a "journalist", and also with other contacts) to take certain legal risks which I found extremely worrisome. No help whatsoever, in any form. Luckily, it seems not to have mattered.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nyt/20020120/en/ani me_japanese_cinema_s_second_golden_age_1.html

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While everyone has now seen the infamous troll research post on Slashdot, I fear many less are aware of a much more interesting comment made to the forum. I speak of a post by one Slashdot editor, Jaime. His original comments can be found here.

His post is a reply to a disgrunted reader who was claiming editors have unlimited moderation points. If this was the case, it could and almost certainly would lead to abuse.

Jaime states, "We do mod comments, yes, but we're fair about it."

First, thank you Jaime for finally admitting the obvious. One was always curious as to why so much was down at -1, were decent folks actually sitting around modding down score 0 posts to -1? Unlikely. Then came the the day when moderator points weren't being given out as some of you remember. This was over the course of a couple days, when maybe the highest modded comments were 3 for the whole day. But lo and behold, half the comments still somehow managed to get modded down to -1. I guess it was pretty obvous from that point.

Now back to Jaime's point. As a reader, I have a some questions. Why do the editors feel it is necessary to moderate posts with their unlimited priveleges? I think moderation works without them interfering. Let the real users decide what they want to see modded up. Why does it matter to CmdrTaco and company what posts are rated? Oh, that's right, they are now owned by the "premier" open source company, VA Linux.

Also, why should anyone believe the editors are fair about it? Jaime claims he is fair, that's one thing. But giving Michael Sims unlimited moderator points is like giving John Ashcroft secret military tribunals. Do you really want to trust him?

The rest of Jaime's argument is half-hearted rationalization. Trying to convince the users that for some reason, the moderation system is broken and they are just there to fix it. The argument borders on the ridiculous at times, saying how well the moderation system is working, just saving the users time, and the like. And about letting the users mod the good stuff up, that's a great idea. How about a positive only moderation system? That works wonders on "other sites". I think most people would agree that without unlimited points for editors, things weren't that bad at all. Browsing at +5 yields mostly intelligent comments. So what's the problem? This isn't about free speech or any of that tripe, its just about respect. Users made this site, like it or not. And the least Rob Malda could do is let them know the rules.

It's possible to make a difference. Though it's a lot of work, sometimes a lot of risk, and it isn't easy. EFF has made a difference in my life, and in many other people's lives.

Its unbelievable how this misinformation keeps spiraling out of control. Even the Slashdot editors have now bought into it.

Hey, this is the same editor that was implicated in the reason-free destruction of censorware.org, right? Perhaps it's just a matter of hitching oneself to a star at all costs, but that account of his hostility toward accountability would certainly sync with a surface treatment of a major news story (of which I believe this settlement rejection is one).

I've been wrestling with the article's issue, on a game-theoretic level, for years. For example, many people simply do not understand what I say when I discuss the events and aftermath of What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-01/lw -01-dvd-interview.html

Jon Johansen: I'm 16 now, I was 15 when it happened ... and the encryption code wasn't in fact written by me, but written by the German member. There seems to be a bit of confusion about that part.

LinuxWorld: The other two people that you had worked with to make the player are remaining anonymous -- is that right?

Jon Johansen: Yes, that is correct.

...

LinuxWorld: Do you know why they want to remain anonymous?

Jon Johansen: They are both a lot older than me, and they are employed. So I guess they just didn't want the publicity, and they were perhaps afraid of getting fired.

He's a wonderfully plain-spoken person. My other favorite Jon Johansen quote is from when he was responding to reporter Declan McCullagh, and Declan was arrogantly giving Jon a hard time for not immediate returning Declan's request for comment:

Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:26:23 +0100
From: Jon Johansen (Micro Media ADB)
Subject: [Livid-dev] Wired article on legal threats

I assume you've read a great deal of articles on the subject? If you have, you might have noticed that I'm only 15 years old; which means I go to school. Norway is GMT+01. You should be able to figure out the time difference, and when I would be available for comment :)

And this problem manifested itself in the case study of censorware.org. Many people offered well-meaning advice to simply let Michael Sims defect on us all without any corresponding action (that is, completely ignore all the damage and broken links and misdirection caused by his destroying censorware.org). I understand the nice-person reasoning behind this advice. But I always thought it was deeply flawed in a game-theoretic sense.

Now remember, a negative response costs both parties. And we're dealing with human beings, not program strategies. It's very tempting to avoid the moral hit associated with initiating a negative response. I've gotten many a comment that I lessen myself, I lower my reputation, by discussing
What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

I'm not blind to that. But in game-theory terms, I'm paying the cost myself of responding to a defection. It's important to do it, even at a cost.

Where things get even worse, though, is "the power of journalism" problem. Which is basically, what if someone can't respond?. What do you do if you're a programmer, and a journalist defects on you? Sometimes a workable response is to get some other journalist to champion your cause, but that's not something to rely upon. And even if so, that tends not to hurt the defecting journalist anywhere near as much as the defecting journalist can hurt the programmer. This is why I keep wrestling with the problem.

I've been wrestling with the article's issue, on a game-theoretic level, for years. For example, many people simply do not understand what I say when I discuss the events and aftermath of
What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

It's far deeper than ego or "personal", which are superficial reactions I get. In game-theory, the Prisoner's Dilemma teaches us that that individuals have an incentive to defect in terms of cooperative resources. Now, having said that, what then? What follows? How does one go about organizing a cooperative venture with this knowledge in mind?

To quote the article:

When penalties were allowed, the common good prevailed, and the investment by each group member climbed. "But if there's no opportunity for punishment, cooperation unravels," says Fehr, with investment declining rapidly.

This is the exact argument I made passionately regarding the necessity of making there be some penalty for Michael Sims' actions in destroying censorware.org. It's the flip side of enlightened self-interest. Cooperation cannot be supported if someone can defect without penalty. But:

In some games, players could then fine each other, but they had to pay a small sum for this.

But what if it's nigh-impossible to have a penalty? This is an aspect where I think about "the power of journalism". As a programmer who has worked with journalists (many times unhappily), I'm acutely aware that as a general rule, journalists can harm me with manipulated coverage, much more than I can punish them via semi-futile protests about their actions. This is in fact my number-one publicity worry about anti-censorware work and how I'd ever get covered nowadays in Slashdot if I ever were to be sued like Dmitry Sklyarov.

So in the end, I don't have a solution. But the implications of this problem are NOT abstract, in fact are very immediate.

But with the ability to assign "Friend or Foe" you essentially gain the ability to make the No-Mans-Land of the comments into an area that only reflects your own views and opinions.

Now, facilitating friend-or-foe moderation abuse, however, is another matter. Those green and red indicators make dandy "targets".

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"This is the first technology that allows lying to be measured or lying to be detected without any contact with the subject whatsoever instantaneously, in real time," said lead researcher James Levine, an endocrinologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. "You don't need to hook them up to anything -- you don't need any sophisticated experts to analyze the data."

Remember, stress is a matter of the body, but a lie is a matter of the mind. They're correlated in many people, but by no means identical. Just think, do you know any smooth-talking liars (i.e. ones displaying minimal stress)?

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> Does it take extra effort on the part of the editors to recognize the people who submitted the story? You bet it does.
Not necessarily that much effort, though, if slashcode was improved. Check out my proposal here. Actually, though I'm vocal, I'm not so concerned about the recognition. It just peeves me off when a crapy article goes up when someone else has made the effort to do it right. You know, a want to make this a better site. I like the journal submission idea... I think I'll do that.

I'm new to submitting articles, but here's the one that got me upset. Maybe it was someones taste, maybe I put too many details in the article (hey, if I highlight the portions of the proposed scheme that may be of interest to slashdot readers, then I rob them of the opportunity to make a +5 Insightful comment). The article was in about the top 5 most-posted-to for the week (dec25-31), so it couldn't have been that bad. I'm surprised no one else submitted it and michael found it all by himself. Which is possible; I'm not just giving michael a hard time -- it was on the front page of eet.com when I found it, but had been bumped off by the time that michael posted the article.

There so much politics and spin involved, it is very difficult to determine the truth. I got slightly burned somewhere else in being misperceived as critical of Dmitry, because I didn't think this was nearly as big a legal concession as many people seem to believe. I wish there were some commentary and analysis from independent criminal lawyers.

As others have pointed out the DOJ realized that they had a good chance of blowing the DMCA ...

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Maybe I am putting words in your mouth that you never meant but it seems to me that going back to the "Source" is not quite valid.

Statements and press releases aren't legally binding. But the "Pretrial Diversion Agreement" (to give it the formal name) is a formal court document, binding on both parties.

The issue at hand is the perception that he had admitted "wrongdoing" that is perpetrated by the DOJ / Press release.

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The FULL TEXT of the document regarding Skylarov

Further, deponent sayeth not (at least in this message ...)

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is a fucking CENSOR.

Emerging Legal Guidance on 'Deep Linking' By Margaret Smith Kubiszyn

"Once again, Ticketmaster took the lead toward resolution of the deep-linking issues by filing suit against Tickets.com in July 1999. Tickets.com could be characterized as a competitor of Ticketmaster, acting as a clearinghouse for tickets, linking to sources for tickets to events (including links to Ticketmaster), auction services and premium ticket brokers. Ticketmaster alleged that, in addition to deep linking into Ticketmaster's site, Tickets.com copied material from the Ticketmaster site and posted false information about the availability of tickets from Ticketmaster."

...

"On March 27, 2000, U.S. Judge District Judge Harry Hupp issued a ruling dismissing four counts of Ticketmaster's complaint, including some counts involving deep linking. In dismissing the first claim, which alleged copyright infringement, Judge Hupp stated: "[H]yperlinking does not itself involve a violation of the Copyright Act (whatever it may do for other claims) since no copying is involved. The customer is automatically transferred to the particular genuine web page of the original author. There is no deception in what is happening. This is analogous to using a library's card index to get reference to particular items, albeit faster and more efficiently."

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We do mod comments, yes, but we're fair about it.

Jamie, my former colleague, you may be most sincere, but there is a logical flaw in your argument. To wit: I doubt there is anyone who would ever post:

"I do mod comments, but I'm unfair about it. I abuse my position as an editor to slam down comments critical of me, or which I hate. I mark those comments as trolls, but really I'm doing it because the power corrupted me, and I enjoy my journalistic ability to marginalize opponents.

I can say this with some certainty because, like all moderations, ours get metamoderated -- so if we start unfairly modding people up or down, we get email a couple of days later letting us know we screwed up!

Again, the logical flaw is that, suppose you didn't care what those e-mails said? Supposed you believed you were RIGHT, and any email simply failed to recognize your obvious correctness?

I can't speak for the other Slashdot editors, but as for me ...

Suppose a skeptical person doubted your philosopher-king status? For example, we know that Michael Sims had a very different view of the "fairness" of his actions with regard to slamming down comments about his destruction of the censorware.org website. He would undoubtably argue that all his actions where justified, that every comment he slammed as a troll was a troll, and so on. This is the essence of the conflict of interest. I know some of the anti-spam activist have doubts about comments of theirs criticizing your coverage, which got marked down. Can you blame them for their doubts? (even if you are in fact an honorable man).

Y'know, you may not realize it, but Slashdot looks a lot different from "down here". Especially when one thinks an editor is abusive about an issue which affects one personally.

I have suggested that editorial moderations be clearly marked. And I agree with other (anonymous) writers here that the fact that editors have infinite moderation points (of course only use them morally, justly, and with great wisdom ...), deserves mention in the FAQ. These changes would alleviate some understandable distrust.

Well, I've rambled, perhaps way too much here. Too many topic which stirred a chord in me. and perhaps not worth the effort. But definitely, I suggest again making clear where editorial moderations have been done.

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This could be your only chance to win a contest by writing poems about earning $100,000 in 10 weeks by working at home..."

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declaratory judgment
n. a judgment of a court which determines the rights of parties without ordering anything be done or awarding damages. While this borders on the prohibited "advisory opinion," it is allowed to nip controversies in the bud. Examples: a party to a contract may seek the legal interpretation of a contract to determine the parties' rights, or a corporation may ask a court to decide whether a new tax is truly applicable to that business before it pays it.
See also: declaratory relief

declaratory relief
n. a judge's determination (called a "declaratory judgment") of the parties' rights under a contract or a statute often requested (prayed for) in a lawsuit over a contract. The theory is that an early resolution of legal rights will resolve some or all of the other issues in the matter.
See also: declaratory judgment

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Frequently Asked Questions about Felten & USENIX v. RIAA Legal Case

Particularly notable:

Q: What is EFF asking of the courts?

EFF is filing a Declaratory Judgment suit, meaning it is asking a federal court to make a declaration of law. Since we represent the plaintiffs, (the scientists and USENIX), we are asking the court to declare that it is NOT a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and is protected by the First Amendment for Professor Edward Felten and his team to publish their scientific paper, "Reading Between the Lines: Lessons from the SDMI Challenge", or discuss their findings publicly at a USENIX Security Symposium in August.

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http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5082 221,00.html

Wanted: Loveable hero for copyright battle (excerpt)

Although free speech is supposed to protect expression made by society's fringe elements as well as by the mainstream, public opinion and even judges can be swayed by tales of mischievous crackers poised to attack your computer. "As soon as the judge says 'hacker,' you know you've lost," University of Minnesota law Professor Dan Burk said. "There is an attempt to paint defendants as unsympathetic, low-priority, on the fringe--to make it seem like nobody respectable is going to be harmed except for weird hacker types."

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http://www.cryptome.org/mpaa-v-2600-cad.htm

Mirrored at EFF:

http://www.eff.org/Cases/MPAA_DVD_cases/20011128_n y_appeal_decision.html

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Thoughts On Winning An EFF Pioneer Award

I discuss a similar theme, but from the perspective of having been on the Internet for since the early 1980's (that's 1980's), and having done quite a bit against censorware.

There's an interesting contrast from my programmer/activist writing, and Katz's journalistic style.

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Thoughts On Winning An EFF Pioneer Award

I discuss a similar theme, but from the perspective of having been on the Internet for since the early 1980's (that's 1980's), and having done quite a bit against censorware.

There's an interesting contrast from my programmer/activist writing, and Katz's journalistic style.

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Nice job there, Sims.

I wonder what the penalty would be for shutting down a censorware site?

Our site was blocked in the Criminal Skills category for quite some time, and we still don't know why.

SmartFilter - I've Got A Little List

I actually have more material on this topic which I haven't put together, because the politics are publicizing it were daunting. The key is to understand that computers have no intelligence, and are making determinations based on simple keyword matching.

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Our site was blocked in the Criminal Skills category for quite some time, and we still don't know why.

SmartFilter - I've Got A Little List

I actually have more material on this topic which I haven't put together, because the politics are publicizing it were daunting. The key is to understand that computers have no intelligence, and are making determinations based on simple keyword matching.

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The basics of a censorware program are not complex. To oversimplify a bit, the core of censorware is just looking up a string (the URL) on the censorware's blacklist. That's not hard, from a programming point of view.

You should ignore the PR hype about magic "porn filters" and similar snake-oil. What the censorware companies sell is the (claimed) million-item blacklist, and the work that goes into putting sites on their blacklist.

I will note, however, that the most popular platform for censorware servers seems to be Microsoft ISA server ...

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SmartFilterWhere Search Results

SmartFilterWhere(TM) for SmartFilter(TM) V301 confirms that the URL(s) you have entered are currently listed in the SmartFilter V301 Control List Categories shown below.

...

http://slashdot.org Entertainment,Gen. News

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Maybe I just skimmed their site too quickly, but what exactly do they do that couldn't be implemented via open source software?

SmartFilter: Way Too Extreme

SmartFilter's Greatest Evils

(sigh, due to politics, I may never get an article in Slashdot again - but in the spirit of the holiday, I'll give thanks for what I had)

Anyway, the major work is not in the censorware program itself, but in compiling the HUGE blacklist.

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Maybe I just skimmed their site too quickly, but what exactly do they do that couldn't be implemented via open source software?

SmartFilter: Way Too Extreme

SmartFilter's Greatest Evils

(sigh, due to politics, I may never get an article in Slashdot again - but in the spirit of the holiday, I'll give thanks for what I had)

Anyway, the major work is not in the censorware program itself, but in compiling the HUGE blacklist.

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And don't forget his incredible YRO articles too. Who can forget classics like "US Trashes Civil Liberties" or "XXXXX is censoring you"?

To learn everything you need to know about how hypocritical and vindicative Michael Sims really is, this essay will tell all you need to know.

The story that Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet has been thoroughly debunked by Phil Agre in http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/2000/RRE.Al.Gore. and.the.Inte.html and rebutted further later
That meme was a creation of Declan McCullagh, a "reporter" for Wired News who is politically a dogmatic Libertarian so extreme that he managed to get a book chapter using him as a poster-boy for Libertarian ideologues, and a different book chapter using him as Libertarian joke-fodder.
If you think this is flame-bait, the aspect of his fabricated story being a Liberatarian hit-piece on Al Gore was extensively discussed in a debunking by Salon

After Declan McCullagh was repeatedly taken to task for his hatchet-job, over more than year, by everyone who was there, from Dave Farberto Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf, Declan finally grudgingly retracted the "story"

But people still repeat it, because urban legends never die.

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Seth, let me make absolutely sure I understand you here. Are you trying to say that these people are categorizing the worth of a web site by the content posted on a different virtual host?

For another example discussed, see

http://sethf.com/anticensorware/cyberpatrol/247for 1.php

Regarding the topic of "banning entire IP subnets", MAPS and other spam blacklists don't do that as an implementation effect. They do it as a deliberate tactic. I don't want to get into that topic too much here, but it's a social issue, not a technological one.

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