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FuckBeta AltSlashdot SoylentNews!

Especially because SlashdotMedia just got bought out by BIZX, and some people think this is dangerous.

You can always come to SoylentNews. It has HTTPS, and we won't bite.

Good for https://soylentnews.org/

You want a rightwing echo chamber, fuck off to Soylent.

There's no nice way to put it, but this accusation is complete bullshit and the above poster, mvdwege probably knows that. Look at the main page. For example, here are the headlines posted from January 28:

January 28 is Data Privacy Day. Do you know where your data is?
FCC Says It Will âoeUnlock the Set-Top Boxâ
Are You Fat? Blame Childhood Antibiotics
Subtle Vulnerabilities with PHP and cURL
Billionaire Boater Destroys almost 14,000 square feet of Reef in Cayman Islands

Notice the complete absence of "rightwing echo chamber". Also notice that mvdwege hasn't actually posted on SoylentNews since August.

You want a rightwing echo chamber, fuck off to Soylent.

There's no nice way to put it, but this accusation is complete bullshit and the above poster, mvdwege probably knows that. Look at the main page. For example, here are the headlines posted from January 28:

January 28 is Data Privacy Day. Do you know where your data is?
FCC Says It Will âoeUnlock the Set-Top Boxâ
Are You Fat? Blame Childhood Antibiotics
Subtle Vulnerabilities with PHP and cURL
Billionaire Boater Destroys almost 14,000 square feet of Reef in Cayman Islands

Notice the complete absence of "rightwing echo chamber". Also notice that mvdwege hasn't actually posted on SoylentNews since August.

Nope, I'm a SoylentNews editor. We received 3 submissions from thestack.com so I checked around here after browsing the Slashdot-got-bought megathread. whipslash looks nice though.

You caught me. I'm actually an editor for SoylentNews. We received 3 submissions from thestack.com including this one.

I was going to delete them later but I noticed this one ran here and decided to look into it.

You know what else we don't link to? Forbes.

Nah, I've got a better idea. Why don't you head over to SoylentNews. They seem to have collected the malcontents there, and you surely qualify. You should be welcomed with open arms.

https://soylentnews.org/

If you don't like justice and/or progress, there's always the right-wingers at SoylentNews.

If you want something like Slashdot but hate progress and social justice, move on to SoylentNews.

But recently it seems to go the wrong way again. I wonder if this is due to the "app" concept on phones making developers thinking in special solutions for each client platform?

If someone over on the red site is to be believed, the "app" concept is reviving the concept of making a program that fits well into each operating system's GUI paradigm, as opposed to poorly into all of them the way a web app does.

You're not forgetting. Subscriptions are no longer available on Slashdot. From the subscription page:

Please Note: Buying or gifting of a new subscription is not available at the moment. We apologize for the inconvenience. This downtime though does not effect your current active subscription in any way. We will keep you posted on the latest

Most of the subscriber benefits are available without charge to Excellent karma users anyway.

On SoylentNews, on the other hand, the subscription page still works.

See this story for more info: https://soylentnews.org/breaki...

Hillary will really start feeling the Bern

Until his staffers mistakenly DMCA his campaign website off the Internet, like they did with his Wikipedia article.

There's already a fixed Slashspot available, it's called Soylent News.

Crap, I had thought I had submitted my back-of-the-envelope calculation to the red site. I guess I hadn't. I'll attempt to repeat the calculation tomorrow, when I'm less influenced by the b33r. (I hate doing calculation while drinking b33r, but I'm certain I didn't perform that one with b33r.)

Here are two links from the red site the folks there seemed to like wrt basic guaranteed income:

Re:Cutting corners, dealing with Pomperipossa again.

Re:Socialism, regarding the synergy of a basic minimum income and a free market.

-- vel-ex-tech (When will I be able to post comments while logged in again? Not that I much care as concerns this site, lol.)

Crap, I had thought I had submitted my back-of-the-envelope calculation to the red site. I guess I hadn't. I'll attempt to repeat the calculation tomorrow, when I'm less influenced by the b33r. (I hate doing calculation while drinking b33r, but I'm certain I didn't perform that one with b33r.)

Here are two links from the red site the folks there seemed to like wrt basic guaranteed income:

Re:Cutting corners, dealing with Pomperipossa again.

Re:Socialism, regarding the synergy of a basic minimum income and a free market.

-- vel-ex-tech (When will I be able to post comments while logged in again? Not that I much care as concerns this site, lol.)

First they ban our drones, next they're asking as for papers.

Yes, that's correct... Drone ban, and asking for our papers.

I'm not sure if this will be useful in the specific context you describe, but I do think that this might capture some of the possible issues you did not directly consider. I wrote the submission to the 'other' site and got back maybe 3-4 interesting responses. Here is what I wrote with a link to the comments below:

We recently discussed reddit's woes and the hiring of a new CEO. However, we have seen communities come and go for many years.

Clay Shirky wrote about his experience in 1978:
"Communitree was founded on the principles of open access and free dialogue... And then, as time sets in, difficulties emerge. In this case, one of the difficulties was occasioned by the fact that one of the institutions that got hold of some modems was a high school. ... the boys weren't terribly interested in sophisticated adult conversation. They were interested in fart jokes. They were interested in salacious talk. ... the adults who had set up Communitree were horrified, and overrun by these students. The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom."

There are two clear trends. One is that less input and customization tends to grow bigger. Note how Geocities was replaced with Myspace which was then replaced with Facebook and Twitter. These newer systems take away personal freedom of expression and makes people follow a 'prescribed' system, albeit an easier one to use. The other trend is that communities that try to be truly free and open end up either stifled by that openness or give up. The only obvious exception is a platform that allows us to simply filter out everything we don't want to see, which becomes a series of the feared echo chamber. With the excessive amount of data and the build up of complex rules on how information is shared, where does this leave us? It seems that like the famous iron triangle allowing free (and legal) speech with the possibility of diverse opinions, a cohesive group, and growth only allows you to pick two.

It seems to me this is a wicked problem, perhaps unsolvable. But I wonder if the community thinks there are other design options? Is this even possible with human nature as it is?

https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/07/18/0821234

- JCD

> Disneyland/Disneyworld, whatever.

Yes. Not like they're thousands of miles away from each other, right?

They're obviously the same thing, kind of like Slashdot and SoylentNews.

http://phys.org/news/2014-03-w...
http://seclists.org/cert/2012/...
http://secunia.com/advisories/...
http://secunia.com/advisories/...
http://secunia.com/advisories/...
http://securityevaluators.com/...
http://securityevaluators.com/...
http://slashdot.org/submission...
http://soylentnews.org/article...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
http://tech.slashdot.org/story...

APK

P.S.=> So much for your faith in routers alone stupid (225 in total, 15 posts with 15 items each)... apk

If you want Slashdot with fixed Unicode, HTTPS, and no ads, you know where to find it.

If you happen to be reading this anon, you may want to have a look at Soylent news.

What the fuck am I reading? This is almost as surreal as that fuckhead gop campaigner Trump. Slashdot, Dice has taken you and fucked you up the ass. Now you're lying fetal in the corner, whimpering. Microsoft praise has no place on Slashdot. Has anybody heard that Midnight Oil song "Short Memory"? Microsoft is the company that tried to homogenise and pasteurise computing by embracing, extending and extinguishing alternate or competing technology. Slashdot was the place we would come to bitch and moan about it. No longer, it seems. Hmm, what's that taste in my mouth? Could it be... no, wait... NOOOOOO http://soylentnews.org/

If corporations didn't make profit, they wouldn't have been created and they wouldn't continue to exist because no one would invest in them to start with.

That or there would be more not-for-profit public benefit corporations, whose earnings stay in the company's foundation. You might remember one that was created out of the BUCK FETA scandal on Slashdot: SoylentNews.

Possibly, although such can still be misused as many 'not for profit' organizations are used by the wealthy to shelter income and avoid death taxes.
http://www.economist.com/node/...

If corporations didn't make profit, they wouldn't have been created and they wouldn't continue to exist because no one would invest in them to start with.

That or there would be more not-for-profit public benefit corporations, whose earnings stay in the company's foundation. You might remember one that was created out of the BUCK FETA scandal on Slashdot: SoylentNews.

revert it to how it was about 8 years ago

There is a site that forked Slash Code and has many former /. members:

https://soylentnews.org/

Not long ago I was reading a recent discussion on reddit's woes and the hiring of a new CEO. It made me think how we have seen communities come and go for many years.

Clay Shirky wrote about his experience in 1978: "Communitree was founded on the principles of open access and free dialogue... And then, as time sets in, difficulties emerge. In this case, one of the difficulties was occasioned by the fact that one of the institutions that got hold of some modems was a high school. ... the boys weren't terribly interested in sophisticated adult conversation. They were interested in fart jokes. They were interested in salacious talk. ... the adults who had set up Communitree were horrified, and overrun by these students. The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom."

There are two clear trends. One is that less input and customization tends to grow bigger. Note how Geocities was replaced with Myspace which was then replaced with Facebook and Twitter. These newer systems take away personal freedom of expression and makes people follow a 'prescribed' system, albeit an easier one to use. The other trend is that communities that try to be truly free and open end up either stifled by that openness or give up. The only obvious exception is a platform that allows us to simply filter out everything we don't want to see, which becomes a series of the feared echo chamber. With the excessive amount of data and the build up of complex rules on how information is shared, where does this leave us? It seems that like the famous iron triangle allowing free (and legal) speech with the possibility of diverse opinions, a cohesive group, and growth only allows you to pick two.

It seems to me this is a wicked problem, perhaps unsolvable. But I wonder what you think regarding what other design options exist? Is this even possible with human nature as it is? Which do you value most: free speech, a cohesive group or growth?

https://soylentnews.org is a place the cool kids are trying to build out into something that does the old fun and useful /. stuff. So far, it's tough going. Obviously, the more the merrier. Come over and have an effect on the culture.

https://soylentnews.org/

Your privacy matters
Your community matters
No trackers. Period.
also note: https

From Soylent:

Damn it. I was looking to provide citation, but I instead found this: *sigh* [techdirt.com]. Figures. Both senators from the backwards state I call home voted for it.

So, everybody, click the link and see whether or not you need to vote against the incumbent next year. Here's a helpful diagram [wikipedia.org] so you can plan ahead. Match the names in the class 3 column to the 83 names listed in the first link. Also note that Sanders (I-VT) has today voted against this crap.

Heck, why don't I just do it for you? That's how disgusted I am right now. Regex here :w incumbents, regex there :w traitors, cat traitors | xargs -n1 -I '{}' grep {} incumbents, regex to add li../li, and nyan~!

        Kelly Ayotte (R)
        Michael Bennet (D)
        Richard Blumenthal (D)
        Roy Blunt (R)
        John Boozman (R)
        Barbara Boxer (D)
        Richard Burr (R)
        Dan Coats (R)
        Mike Crapo (R)
        Chuck Grassley (R)
        John Hoeven (R)
        Johnny Isakson (R)
        Ron Johnson (R)
        Mark Kirk (R)
        James Lankford (R)
        Mike Lee (R)
        John McCain (R)
        Barbara Mikulski (D)
        Jerry Moran (R)
        Lisa Murkowski (R)
        Patty Murray (D)
        Rob Portman (R)
        Harry Reid (D)
        Brian Schatz (D)
        Chuck Schumer (D)
        Tim Scott (R)
        Richard Shelby (R)
        John Thune (R)
        Pat Toomey (R)

The internet would be improved by 100% if all ad supported sites died today.

Slashdot is ad supported. So this 100% improvement would lose your comments on Slashdot. Perhaps the red site is more your style?

You do know the science on anthropogenic ozone depletion is quite solid and not really controversial, right?

But after some questioning on the quality and extent of the data supporting the theory, the rhetoric has fallen to a cliched lecture on the scientific method and the philosophical weaknesses of empiricism:

NOTHING is ever 100-% certain. We can't PROVE that we're not living in a clever simulation and everything we think we know is just part of a game. You might wake up tomorrow in your bedroom on Talos IV wondering what caused such a goofy dream. I wouldn't count on that BTW.

Catastrophic stuff can happen, but it's a lousy decision making process to base your decisions on those possibilities without some idea of how likely they are to happen. For example, here why do we care more about "tipping points" than catastrophic economic failure from some of the proposed fixes (which among other things can result in higher population growth and abandonment of AGW mitigation measures)?

We have supporting evidence for that as well. For example, Germany and Denmark both have very high electricity prices due to their attempts to incentivize solar and wind energy production.

You do know the science on anthropogenic ozone depletion is quite solid and not really controversial, right?

But after some questioning on the quality and extent of the data supporting the theory, the rhetoric has fallen to a cliched lecture on the scientific method and the philosophical weaknesses of empiricism:

NOTHING is ever 100-% certain. We can't PROVE that we're not living in a clever simulation and everything we think we know is just part of a game. You might wake up tomorrow in your bedroom on Talos IV wondering what caused such a goofy dream. I wouldn't count on that BTW.

Catastrophic stuff can happen, but it's a lousy decision making process to base your decisions on those possibilities without some idea of how likely they are to happen. For example, here why do we care more about "tipping points" than catastrophic economic failure from some of the proposed fixes (which among other things can result in higher population growth and abandonment of AGW mitigation measures)?

We have supporting evidence for that as well. For example, Germany and Denmark both have very high electricity prices due to their attempts to incentivize solar and wind energy production.

Where else would I go to if I just wanted to aggregate tech news?
You don't have to answer that. I may find out myself if this gets too silly.

Soylentnews seems to have lots of tech articles, and less fluff.
Hacker News is another.

Might as well cut out the middle-man and go to the source.

The submission is a cut-n-paste sans formatting from a soylent news story. You can tell its been lifted from Soylent because the third paragraph was written by myself for the soylent submission and exists no where else on the web (yet).

already discussed this on the red site

Hilarious

Network producers think there's "too much on television" and people think "there's nothing to watch on television". Who is right? Well, how about we look at the rising trend of people cancelling their cable subscriptions.

Bullshit, there's another, more serious issue

There's not enough reason to commit to shows on american television because they're highly prone to cancellation. Why should I commit to a show if the network won't? I've seen too many shows run on for a long time (gotta milk that cash cow until it dies, apparently) and then get cancelled before concluding.

This damages the viewers' trust in future shows. Nobody wants to commit to anything because it's almost guaranteed to die instead of finish. What percentage of american television shows reach their conclusion? 1%? 3%? There's no reason to take the risk.

Meanwhile, in the rest of the world...

Interpretation

Here's the interpretation you should take away from this:
"We have lost all negotiating power since all these show creators can take their show so many other places. We can't resurrect old crap anymore for guaranteed income, but we're not risky enough to bet on new material. We even tried to lock as much content behind paywalls, but people just stop watching our stuff instead of paying us again to watch it any other way than when it airs. We actually have to do the job we've been claiming to do since cable was conceived. ...and it's HARD!"

Unfortunately, it seems the NASA scientists made one fatal mistake... They didn't bother to read the opinions of Anonymous Cowards on the internet, who just last year throughly explained why the idea "makes no sense", and flies in the face of "basic orbital mechanics".

Slashdot should be fixing their bugs, not us working around them.

If we move from Slashdot to a site whose developers have fixed Slashdot's bugs, does that count as "working around them"?

They still are, a news article on "the other news site" just posted about their site (and others) serving malware ads. https://soylentnews.org/articl...

You should go to Soylent News instead :)

Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

" And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

" That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

" The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

" The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

" We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

Signed,
-- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

" And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

" That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

" The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

" The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

" We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

Signed,
-- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

" And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

" That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

" The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

" The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

" We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

Signed,
-- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

" And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

" That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

" The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

" The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

" We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

Signed,
-- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

" And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

" That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

" The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

" The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

" We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

Signed,
-- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

You mean like the folks at Soylent News did?

They host it themselves, and accept donations...even in Bitcoin.

https://soylentnews.org/

My only association to SN is as a user.

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