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Of David Davis (a Brexiteer) taking a case to the European Court of Justice about violation of his privacy rights, as defined by the European Charter of Fundamental Rights; a document his new boss Theresa May (who opposed Brexit) has publicly said she would like to tear up.

"You seem to have omitted a few important details, such as Saddam''s funding and support of terrorism, training terrorists, and providing them refuge in Iraq."

Got any facts on that?

I'm also surprised by the compete lack of interest in the USA regarding the Chilcot report. Is everyone in the US pretending that it has nothing to do with them? Why isn't Bush being grilled over misleading the people of the US and the UK? Blaire may end up in the Hague over this. Will the US just ignore it?

In related news, the European commission starts noticing a possible abuse of Android to skew the market against competitors:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/20/eu-commission-google-android-skew-market-competition-antitrust-vestager

It seems quite possible that the next antitrust proceedings are brewing here...

"small difference: Bundy didn;t ambush or snipe at the aforementioned agents. Dallas? Not so much."

the Bundy supporters pointed loaded weapons at Feds and walked away intact.
Black people who do that to American authorities tend to wind up very, very dead.

"McVeigh was executed to the relief and morbid delight of both sides of the aisle, if memory serves"

Afraid you're only 1/2 served. You can find many, many people and forums where McVeigh is remembered as a hero & patriot and at the time, Gore Vidal praised him and compared him to Paul Revere
https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

Just because you refuse to look for it or at it does not mean it does not occur. The UK 27% number is worse than what we have in the US

Could be worse, they could have been bought out by a Chinese chicken-supplier.

Fun Fact: WiPro, the famous Indian software outsourcer, gets its name from its origins: The West India Produce Company.

Could be worse, they could have been bought out by a Chinese chicken-supplier.

Softbank may not be well known to the Western public, but it is at least an institution with a genuine track-record and a long-standing interest in the tech sector. Some of these Chinese acquisitions recently feel like attempts to manipulate China's tax or criminal codes and I worry for the future of the companies which have been acquired.

We have a perfectly good solution for carbon free economical electricity: nuclear. Even better, it only emits 1% the radiation that coal fire plants do.

Good thing carbon is the only thing we have to worry about, huh?

He could have reported the problem to his corporate managers,

That worked so well for Thomas Drake.

the process for intelligence oversight mostly works really well

Citation Needed

The financial sector is outside of the legislative powers of the British government:
https://www.theguardian.com/co...

The blog was taken down for repeated violations of the TOS. The Guardian can offer you some insight: If you scroll down a bit, you'll see this:

He had a featured post, twice a month, where he would take ads by escorts and highlight their literary qualities. Cooper’s work often depicts sexuality and violence in graphic terms, and some of the writing and images dealt with similar themes.

He has no reason to whine.

Educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://www.theguardian.com/te...

Just like Jian Ghomeshi amirite?

That water is wet?

Oh btw, water is not wet.

The number was false. In fact it was widely known to be false.

Like Kung Fu Panda?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2016/jun/14/hollywood-films-in-china-asia-market-warcraft-the-beginning

This is the same guy that formed a cybersecurity consultancy to help companies secure themselves against state-sponsored hackers and speaks freely in public on commuter trains. https://www.theguardian.com/wo... I sincerly doubt this guy knows what should be classified and what shouldn't be. He's probably got Russian, Chinese, and Iranian spies following him non-stop just to see what he'll say next.

Not inflation adjusted.
UK GDP since 1955 | Business | theguardian.com

IIRC, one of them did have a gun.
The UK has a population of ~66 million yet TOTAL police shootings in the past few decades is in the dozens where CA or TX rack up that number in weeks or a few months.
The city of London, England had ZERO fatal police shootings between 2011 & 2014

They're far from perfect and the tendency to withhold the identity of officers who opened fire is worrisome - but the *relative* rarity of police shootings in the UK ( and most of Europe) makes me wonder why American cops are so quick to transform into executioners

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

https://www.theguardian.com/us...

As the Brexit poll showed a few days ago, there is a large percentage of any population that is completely out of touch with reality

Neither side of the debate will disagree with that sentiment.

the aging population who stopped discovering new things back around the time Faulty Towers was popular (but who very much still vote, once again as evidenced by their decision to leave the EU, when the whole thing was really an anti-immigrantion ploy)

False and false. There were survey results going around in the immediate aftermath where the top reason for voting leave was democratic sovereignty. Let's not let reality get in the way of your narrative though... right?

And obviously they are far better trained on when NOT to shoot! American cops are taught differently

1. George Takei has reportedly said that he asked Simon Pegg and Justin Lin not to turn Sulu into a gay character while the film was in production. John Cho has been quoted as saying this was intended as a tribute to Takei, even though Takei asked the writer who came up with it and director not to do it.

2. Simon Pegg is saying that he knows what Gene Roddenberry intended better than Takei, despite being born after TOS was made and having never met Roddenberry.

They have changed so much in the Star Trek reboot just to change things that the change itself doesn't surprise or bother me. But they should admit that JJ Trek is their thing and they can do what they want and stop the disingenuous "we're just doing what Roddenberry would have done if he could have gotten away with it in the 60s" schtick.

And admit it is tokenism.

I'll see your few scholarly research papers, and raise you several violent protests that you have missed. Even leftists have to worry about leftists, as I stated.

Further, I can show that leftist people and groups support the protests.

Well, one way to reply to a post calling out confirmation bias ... is to double down on the confirmation bias.

You have a funny term to refer to what would properly be labeled as 'observation of leftists, on social media and in real life'.

Apparently I get to represent all liberals now

Only if you are unable to parse my phrase, "Should I follow suit, ...", which limits the following phrase to a hypothetical question. But I guess such subtlety is wasted on leftists. (See, that is using your inability to read to claim all leftists are ignorant as well.)

(or at least the ones you don't like, with that bit of no-true-scotsman mixed in under cover of "I didn't mean everybody").

I'm not allowed to clarify my point that you have such a hard time understanding? Considering my original post was simply comparing attitudes and actions of nondescript left-wingers and right-wingers in the post I replied to. Since I wasn't the one who established the general groups under discussion, I certainly feel I have the right to make that clarification. Sorry if that upsets you.

Let's get back to your original claim, which can be distilled to 'liberals conform more than conservatives'.

Oh, wait a minute. I begin to see your problem. After writing all that above, I realize upon re-reading this line, that you simply are trying to argue the wrong claim. You think it is a discussion of whether one group or the other conforms to the expected norm. But that wasn't Ungrounded Lightning's argument, nor mine. UL said that those on the left "apply social pressure to each other to conform", and in response to (I assume) your question about right-wingers, I voiced my support of UL's argument, and provided an example.

I stand by my claim that leftists do much more to force their views on society, even on other leftists, than rightists do. That has nothing to do with whether right-wingers (AKA conservatives) by their nature want to keep things the way they are (also known as 'to conserve', funny how that is implied in the label 'conservative').

You are arguing the wrong case.

How about rating Prime Ministers like films? Wouldn't that help even more?

Apparently not. The same idiot already made a play for a parental guidance (PG) rating by claiming that as a mother she would make a better prime minister. Unsurprisingly that didn't work out well either.

I'd like to say that she has no chance of being the next PM but she is being selected by Conservative party voters and a large fraction of them seem intent on destroying the UK given the recent referendum result so who knows?

Here's the source of the DoJ stat:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub...

Unfortunately, there aren't really any consistent and nation-wide statistics on the race of people killed by police (no national database with consistent reporting), but here are some stats:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub... (Table 5, pg 22)
2003-2009, 2011: whites make up a bigger percentage (47.8%) of deaths than blacks (28.4%)

https://www.washingtonpost.com...
2015: 990 people shot by police. 494 (49.9%) white, 258 (26.1%) black, 172 (17.4%) hispanic, 38 other, 28 unknown

https://www.washingtonpost.com...
2016 so far: 509 total. 238 (46.8%) white, 123 (24.2%) black
we are 190 days into this year, which is a leap year (190/366 ... 52% through the year)
If you forward-project based on the current average, there will be 978 police shootings in 2016, 458 white and 237 black

http://www.theguardian.com/us-...
The Guardian has different numbers: 569 total. 279 whites. 137 black
If you use per-million numbers: 3.25 blacks/million, 1.41 whites/million

What's next ? We going to strap a suicide vest on the K9's, let them run the suspects down ?

In this case it was for military service, but we've been using animals as weapons for a long time.

Dolphins have been trained in attack-and-kill missions since the Cold War. The US Atlantic bottlenose dolphins have apparently been taught to shoot terrorists attacking military vessels.

Armed and dangerous - Flipper the firing dolphin let loose by Katrina

HRC is the second least popular major party candidate in history. Guess who #1 is?

While I agree with your sentiment, I think you're probably factually wrong on this.

Most versions of this theme point to the polling for "unfavorability": basically asking polled people if they dislike a candidate. It's true, Donald and Hillary have the highest unfavorability ratings ever seen (IIRC). However, this particular polling has only been done since sometime in the 1980s. I'd be surprised if other candidates weren't even more unfavorable in some past elections. Just look at the 1968 elections: Hubert Humphrey was the Dem nominee, even though he only got just over 2% of the popular votes in the primaries! Somehow he managed to succeed against Eugene McCarthy who had almost 39% of those votes, plus RFK who had almost 31% (and whose voters probably would have voted for McCarthy if they had a re-vote after RFK's assassination). With the tremendous unopularity of the Vietnam war, I doubt Humphrey's favorability was high. Then look at one of his opponents: George Wallace, an avowed segregationist who won the electoral votes in several states. I'll bet his unfavorability was really high too outside of the South. Somehow I doubt Nixon was really all that popular in that election too (he had run in a prior election and lost after all, and was known for an uncharismatic personality), but with those two running against him, he was likely chosen as the "lesser of the three evils", and his popular vote total wasn't even all that great (43.4%). Here's an informative article about the debacle that was the 1968 elections; ours look completely tame in comparison.

There've been a bunch of other really disliked candidates in history. Just look at any election which was a landslide; the losers probably weren't well-liked.

Do you think airplane pilots who are using the autopilot are allowed to just ignore what is going on and watch a movie?

Why watch a movie if you can also sleep: https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

I'm sorry, are the patents they filed legal or not? That's really all this case comes down to. The rest of your rhetoric is just windowdressing your non-existent racial pretense.

Outside of your xenophobia and probably rightful comments on corruption (A good deal of the world is a lot more corrupt than the US.. China is certainly no exception) what have you said?

So do you hate China because their spies get caught (VS. US 'contractors' in other nations)? Or are you telling everyone to buy US products because they're never going to spy on you!
https://www.theguardian.com/co...

I guess life is terrible in London:
https://www.theguardian.com/ci...
http://www.theolivepress.es/sp...
Not sure if these bunch are badly affected if the Brexit stuff takes effect :).

That will lower the cost of infecting enterprise PC for NSA: no need to craft an exploit like Stuxnet, just infect the hardware that gets shipped.

You said it yourself: Hillary is "a shrewd political veteran who wouldn't make things easy for Putin". That is, according to you, she is going to get tough on Putin and antagonize him. That is what makes her dangerous. (Furthermore, there is nothing "unforeseen" about Hillary's dangerous behaviors; she has a long track record.) If "Putin can play that halfwit manchild like a cheap fiddle", great: that means less opportunity for conflict. I don't want the US president, whoever it is, to mess with Russia over the next several years, so if your primary complaint about Trump is that he is a "halfwit manchild", that's just fine with me.

"Not make things easy for" does not mean "antagonize." There is middle ground between being played like a fiddle and antagonism. Unless you think it's best that the next president just rolls over for Putin to minimize the chance of conflict at any cost to the US. I'd like to see Hillary's track record of dangerous antagonism.

You mean the same kind of "war crimes" that Bush and Obama have engaged in, and that Hillary would certainly continue: drone killings of civilians and various "enhanced interrogation" techniques?

No, I mean worse - such as killing terrorists' families, and new and (unspecified but) more brutal forms of torture. Torture which Obama ended and Trump would restart.

Furthermore, this isn't a two person race anyway, there are other candidates besides Trump and Hillary.

Jill Stein? Good luck with that. The candidates for the two major parties are set, unless something wildly unforeseen happens.

Why does Microsoft have such an obsessive hard-on for Skype?

I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with Skype's longstanding status as the NSA's wet dream [pdf warning].

TL;DR it's hard to put an exact figure on but it's high, in the millions.

No, FUD-spreading liar, it is in the thousands at worst. Further, it cannot be even that number, because the study was actually shit.

The study, published in the journal Environmental Research Letters on Thursday, concluded that most of the 59 premature deaths were caused by particulate pollution (87%) with the rest caused by ozone exposure (13%). Most of the deaths were estimated to have occurred on the east and west coasts of the US.

The number of deaths was reached by looking at the amount of extra pollution emitted between 2008 and 2015 by the VW cars fitted with the defeat devices.

But that is garbage, because the software also caused the vehicles to use less fuel, which means while they produced more NOx, they actually produced less PM2.5 particulates, which are the kind that cause cancer. These particulates are increased when modern diesel emissions systems are used. Gasoline cars put out just as much black carbon as diesels, and nearly all of it is PM2.5, so if those cars had not been purchased and gasoline cars had been purchased instead, a lot more harmful particulates would have been released.

At most, thousands more people died from NOx-related effects, but no one is even trying to tell us how many less people died from PM2.5 soot causing cancer, how much less unburned HC was released due to so much less HC being injected (a 20-25% fuel savings!) and from people buying diesels when they could be buying the competition — non-plug-in hybrids. Such vehicles get no better mileage than diesels, they emit more PM2.5 than diesels, and they have two whole power systems which raises the production energy cost. Battery electrolytes are still not recycled, they are incinerated or landfilled which costs more energy, so a diesel is still superior to a non-plug-in-hybrid.

TL;DR: You're full of shit.

-1 doesn't mean "I disagree" - it is well documented that Google are in legal hot water for promoting their results over competitors.

This was a 2 second google search, ironically.

A previous article covers whistle-blower Thomas Drake being denied protections for trying to use the proper channels. John Crane, who was to protect the whistle-blowers, became a whistle-blower himself when it became evident the Pentagon was abusing their power in order to punish Thomas Drake.

The article quotes Snowden, "Name one whistleblower from the intelligence community whose disclosures led to real change - overturning laws, ending policies - who didn't face retaliation as a result. The protections just aren't there"

https://yro.slashdot.org/story...
https://www.theguardian.com/us...

As for muslims, its simply caused because there is no powerful christian group that radicalizes christians to commit terror attacks. If you take the radicals out, the average muslim is as peace-loving as the average christian or jew.

If you took away the radicals, there'd be no more muslims strapping themselves to a bomb to become martyrs but there's an awful lot of muslims that do support the stoning of gays, adulterers, believers who leave the faith, people who insult the prophet and so on as a matter of law or that support the people who organize and commit terrorism. The last time I did the numbers there was more than 100 million muslims who supported gross violations of human rights and a helluva lot more who I'd call Westboro Baptist Church class bigots.

For example here are over 100000 muslims showing their support for an assassin that murdered a governor trying to reform blasphemy laws. Don't begin to believe that muslims in a majority will act anything like they do in a minority. And I really don't think there's much point in trying to pretend like the organization and religion are two different things, what's the Catholic faith without the Catholic church? They're so tightly intertwined you can't tell where one ends and the other begins. It is the same with Islam.

The unelected bureaucrat myth must die.

http://johnmccormick.eu/2014/0...
https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

Bull, in a word, shit.

There is no evidence - zero - that dredging or the lack thereof has anything to do with flooding. What it does have to do with is (1) more and more building in flood plains, which increases both runoff and exposure to flooding, and (2) record breaking rainfall, which is possibly related to global warming.

The Commissioners are nominated by the Member States, and subject to the vote of the Parliament.

And?

If I can't vote them in then I can't vote them out which means they don't represent me which is why I voted to leave the EU. They don't represent the people of the EU, they have been representing corporations though.
Three-quarters of declared EU lobby meetings with corporate interests | News | The Guardian

It is slightly unfair but mostly true. A lot of the people who voted leave are out-and-out racists. Leave was particularly popular in areas which saw their industries destroyed in the 1980s when Thatcher and the free market tore up the social contract in which the aim of the economy was to provide jobs, homes and pensions for the UK's citizens.

Since then, successive governments have more or less abandoned these areas which are now into their third generation of unemployment and reading the Sun.

This piece about Ebbw Vale in Wales, one of the poorest places in the UK, shows the level of idiocy.

tl;dr
Standing outside an area where the EU has subsidised factories, roads, jobs, training.
Why did you vote to leave the EU?
Immigration.
Are there many immigrants round here?
No.

"the pound is already re-stabilizing and didn't fall that far to start with!"

a) no it isn't
b) 10% isn't a big fall????

It's fallen to the lowest level since 1985. It's the 3rd largest currency fall ever, of any currency. It's twice the fall that happened on 'black wednesday' when we crashed out of the ERM - which caused a whopping recession and soaring interest rates.

The FTSE only stabilised after the Bank of England offered an extra £250 billion - yes, with a b - in liquidity to banks, who were amongst the hardest hit.

And that was ONE day of post referendum trading.

HSBC have said they will move at least 1000 jobs to the EU if the leave the single market. The rescue of Port Talbot - 11,000 jobs - is under threat as potential investors are backing out now due to Brexit. Tech, cars, financial services, and all other sorts companies that rely on exports to the EU are all looking at if they'll be better off in Ireland or Scotland (assuming it leaves the UK) to stay inside the EU single market.

The bonfire of the UK economy has literally only just started. Petrol is going up next week due to the sterling crash, electricity & gas prices will follow, and food prices will be going up soon - we import 40% of it.

And why would the EU with 450+ M people give such good deals to the UK ?

Hopefully the EU will remember Europe's history and not try to really turn the thumbscrews on the UK no matter how well deserved. The last time a European country screwed up and really annoyed the continent was Germany. The punitive measures Europe imposed after the First World War collapsed the economy and directly lead to the rise of the Nazi party.

We already have right wing nut jobs in the UK using posters worryingly similar to Nazi propaganda. So by all means give us an economic slap for this utterly insane decision (we can hope it might bring the leavers to their senses) but please resist the urge to give us the full economic punch the UK richly deserves since that could lead to something far worse.

Exactly, the EU zone has only been beneficial to business

Yes, an open market is the best possible condition for creating jobs. That's what anyone with a basic competence in economy says, so there must be some truth in it.

and the Soviet Bloc countries (business moving there for cheap labor and eventually even further east was the whole objective for the forming of the EU). Before the EU and even now, similar business-friendly arrangements have been made amongst European and even Asian countries without any EU government involvement.

So the EU is evil, but also the EU doesn't matter, because rich people will move their businesses to China anyway?

The EU and later on the Euro destroyed the sovereignty of individual nations (now only nations by name only for traditions' sake),

People elect both their local governments and the European parliament. Their local governments nominate the European government and it also has to be approved by the European parliament. And that government has very limited powers to begin with. The EU didn't destroy our sovereignty any more than the administrator of a condominium destroys the flat owners' ownership.

Of course, if member states send into the EU institutions their worst politicians who failed at home, it's a problem. But hardly a fault of the EU.

the Brits were at least smart enough to maintain some of their distance when the Euro came along.

The Brits have, among other things, a religious leader as unelected, unreplaceable Head of State and Lord Spirituals sitting alongside elected members of the Parliament. To each his own.

The EU socialized the losses of its members on a continental scale (Greece etc) while the affluent Western Europe had their middle class evaporate to pay for it and many of those countries (Netherlands, Belgium and France) will soon follow the UK.

The EU budget accounts for 1% of the total taxes paid by European citizens, how can one see its wealth evaporate because of a fluctuation of up to 1% in his expenses? It's globalization what hit the middle class; it has allowed us to pay less for iPhones without automatically giving us back a way to pay for food and housing. But I can hardly see how being a smaller country in the global maket can help fight that.

Plus, this whole "the North paying for the South" subtly racist propaganda is toxic. Britain was the poorest among the big nations when it joined the EEC. Currently, it is France, Italy and Spain who pay for the British rebate and not the other way around.

Sure, go ahead. mod me troll

Fuck London, go build your multinational utopia somewhere that I don't end up paying for it - e.g. see http://www.theguardian.com/new...

OK, so how about we (London) leave and join the EU. Do you think that would work out well for you?

It's more interesting than that:

http://www.theguardian.com/pol...

It would seem that the poorer you are, the less educated, the lower your social grade, and the older you are, the more likely you were to vote leave.

I would say that the wealth statistic was not a cause, but really a symptom. It would seem smart people voted to remain, and dumb people voted to leave, and it would seem there are slightly more dumb people in the UK than smart people.

Fuck London, go build your multinational utopia somewhere that I don't end up paying for it - e.g. see
http://www.theguardian.com/new...

I don't disagree actually - but putting the blame on the EU is the wrong place. It's the government's job to even out the economic benefits, something the last Labour government did barely, and the current one has actively made worse.

If you want a strong UK software development industry then perhaps try training some British graduates instead of hiring fucking EU labour in London.

Would love to, but there aren't enough here to hire.

Fuck London, go build your multinational utopia somewhere that I don't end up paying for it - e.g. see
http://www.theguardian.com/new...

UK doesn't produce enough software developers on its own

That's because it's a stupid career option, you spend a lot of time and effort finding out that your career growth stops at 30 and you're competing with Indians and Bulgarians for jobs all the time - onshore and offshore.

If you want a strong UK software development industry then perhaps try training some British graduates instead of hiring fucking EU labour in London.

"Most bike accidents happen to inexperienced riders and/or idiots."

There is absolutely no evidence to support this incredibly victim-blaming comment. There is plenty of evidence to refute it, if you simply google the phrase "cyclist driver fault study"

Examples: http://www.executivestyle.com....

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05...

http://www.theguardian.com/lif...

You're a classic victim-blamer. See, it's those other, stupid, slower, more inexperienced cyclists who get hit. Not you. You're experienced. Dressed like a dayglo traffic cone clown. Covered in lights.