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This is Microsoft Whistler.
This is OS X.

"LiQuid" isn't as bad as it looks, I use it myself - Am I breaking the law?
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This is Microsoft Whistler.
This is OS X.

"LiQuid" isn't as bad as it looks, I use it myself - Am I breaking the law?
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from the Theme list, just select "thinice"
And this is thinice, under windows, using My Language (Bahasa Melayu) (SEE)

Is it just me, or is this kind of look-at-my-new-shiny toy what most of the effort in the open source community seems to be going for?

No, its not a toy. Windows has Anti-Aliased fonts, X does not. I use Word Perfect 8 Under Windows and Linux, and I hate to admit that it looks awful under Linux. This is not the fault of Corel, it is the fault of X. X does not do Anti-Aliased fonts. The lettering in X has "Jaggies" you may be familar with how much 3Dfx was going on and on about their FSAA Technology, its a similar idea. Anti-Aliased fonts are simply easier to read.

Under X, even though people try to make the skins pretty, the actual UI is anything but clean. Can't we work on cleaning things up, and making the UI more reliable instead of making pretty shiny toys?

I almost suspect you are an old-style troll, but maybe this is a genuine comment. Perhaps you should try the latest versions of KDE (quite clean IMO) cleaner than the Windows interface at any rate. I myself admit that when in Linux and X I use one of the "wizbang" interfaces on my desktop, but here is the kicker, I prefer it to the Windows desktop. (For those who care, I use Gnome and E with the Blueheart Theme over 9 Virtual Desktops) What it comes down to is choice. If you don't like the wizbang "features" of some of the desktops, don't use them. I have seen KDE and FWMV95 so configured as to be identical to Windows, and by default, KDE looks much like Windows, so if you don't like the interface, head over to themes.org and pick a really "boring" one. Remember, Linux is not for everyone, nor should it be, but it is, first and foremost about choice.

If you want the twm look and feel, but with GNOME compliance, you can achieve it with sawfish. There are two twm themes at sawfish.themes.org. Take a look at the screenshots and try one or both of them out.

Well, I've tried Irex for E, and it's pretty good (there is a gtk+ partner theme). Also just now while googling for a cache'd page of the very slashdotted 5dwm.org site, I ran across an IMD clone done using FVWM2. Note that I have only the most cursory user experience with SGIs (too po' to afford one of them on my own :-( ), so I can't comment on exactingly true either one is to the IMD.
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Fuck Censorship.

So, um... Install a different theme from the default.

Hey, look! CDE themes for sawmill, you silly monkey.

Why be different just for the sake of being different? I think that today's desktop is the result of an evolutionary process. The two main results are the Windows UI, and the Mac UI. GNOME and KDE are free to crib from both, and do (well, I can't speak for KDE. I haven't used it in two years).

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A host is a host from coast to coast...

Take a look at this IRIX Theme. You'll find it l33t0. A rather full E theme of IRIX's desktop. Has over 100+ original icons etc.

I'm glad to hear that the project is still alive and doing so well and that this issue is being resolved. He's always been very passionate about E and no matter what window manager you use, you have to appreciate this kind of enthusiasm he has for his project. It's this kind of attitude that helps to continually drive the whole Linux community forward.

If I did what I think they did, you can use ANY of the syntactically correct themes at gtk.themes.org. Damn. So much for boring visuals.

The reason there is almost no documentation for people like you is because it's assumed that you will want to get a little deeper into the system and learn the CLI (command-line interface). This is probably what you want to do. Besides, unless you have a new machine, KDE/GNOME will be too slow for you (and even if you have a new box, it's still nice to have the extra speed).

Here's a quick list of useful commands:

• ps afx -- lists all processes
• ps afx | less -- lists all processes, page-by-page
• programname --help -- gives you help on programname
• man programname -- gives you the manual page (more help) for programname
• info programname -- gives you the texinfo page (sometimes even more help) for programname
• shutdown -h now (as root) -- shuts down Linux
• ./programname -- runs programname which is located in the current directory
• dselect -- the Add/Remove Programs equivalent (learn the keyboard controls first; only applicable to the Debian distribution)
• killall netscape -- if netscape hangs
• killall -KILL netscape -- if the above didn't work
• uparrow -- previous commands you've typed
• su [username] -- switch userid to username, or root if username is omitted
• pico -w filename -- edit filename
• nano -w filename -- some distributions use this one instead

Some packages you'll want to have a look at sometime:

• licq -- an ICQ client
• Window Maker -- a much faster window manager than KDE/GNOME
• vi / vim -- a really powerful editor; really useful once you learn the keyboard controls
• emacs -- an editor, and a programming language, and a calculator, and a web browser, and a MIDI player, and a window manager, and an operating system, and the kitchen sink, and the BATHROOM sink.
• xmms -- sort of the "Winamp" of the *nix world
• Themes for various window managers

Sorry, I have to cut this list short. Other duties are calling. Slashdotters: please fill in what I have missed!
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Genius dies of the same blow that destroys liberty.

Go to gtk.themes.org and choose a theme with radio buttons you like.

Did they just miss this one? It has been there a long time ("Updated 4th February 2000"). So, I wonder how Apple's lawyers decide which ones to go after and which ones to ignore.

steveha

Someone pointed out in a reply to another post I made in this section that the names of the themes being removed are all Apple trademarks.

Then I realized that OSX2, another Aqua-like theme, wasn't listed in the removed themes.

Go to the global theme search page and look for "Aqua". There are a heck of a lot of Aqua themes for various window/desktop managers.

So was it the names of the themes Apple objected to? Why is Apple being selective with their removal requests? Are they just not aware of the other Aqua-like themes still available, or is it something else? And I ask again; why isn't Apple trying to contact the theme creators?

Get 'em while you can!

Get 'em while you can!

The court cases that give this precedent are Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corp., which involved the design of each company's operating system, and Lotus v. Borland, which involved the contents of the menus of each company's product. Essentially, both cases involved the look and feel of the plaintiff's product. It was decided that the look and feel had to be virtually identical for any legal action to take place.

Based on these cases, according to a computer law professor I had this semester, you do have the right to create a desktop environment that looks and feels like theirs, but you do not have the right to create one that looks and feels exactly like theirs. In the case of the Aqua themes, I'd say that the look and feel is virtually identical to that of Aqua in Mac OS X--I think that's the point of the themes. Thus, Apple can indeed ask themes.org to remove the offending themes expecting to see some action take place.

(For more information about Apple v. Microsoft, see Apple v. Microsoft Under a Microscope.)

The LCARS e-theme would help with interoperability at the UI level at least.

Actually, themes.org has a posting asking for a new maintainer for the kde.themes.org area....seems the previous maintainers got bogged down with other things and are looking for someone to take over...

Actually, themes.org has a posting asking for a new maintainer for the kde.themes.org area....seems the previous maintainers got bogged down with other things and are looking for someone to take over...

How long, I wonder, before some of these hacks start appearing in aada's Aqua etheme. Also, does anyone know of a mirror for his web site because it appears to be down and I would really like to remove that damn icon bar on the lower left-hand side of the screen.

Change the skin then. Basically the button size is dictated by the theme so if you're not happy with the default one then use one which is lighter. Check out the Netscape theme site and Themes.org for more themes.

Thought you might like a screenshot

Cheers,

Mike

Go to here and download the Native.Windows theme.

It meets the following demands:

* Netscape Gecko(tm) engine
* gets rid of the XP widgets
* the XP interface
* dolls it up to look all cool-and-draggy like IE5 [well, uses an IE like UI with similar icons]
* Releases a strong Mac, Unix and Win32 version, all under the GPL [you can use it on multiple platforms]

It misses this one:

* makes it do all those cool geeky banner/doubleclick elimination features [not yet - that's not UI stuff]

I'm not going to load some dang theme.
Why? If you want native widgets, others might want pixel for pixel compatibility across all platforms. MSN Explorer doesn't use Native widghets. Furthermore it can't render pages IE can, despite using the same rendering engine.

I want the interface to get the hell out of my way so I can use the browser.
Me too. But since we want different interfaces, thank God the lovely Netscape people have provided this funcationality.

The best thing about IE5 is that in 5 seconds from the default install, I can customize it exactly how I want it - small and out of my face. No menus to navigate, just clickin' and draggin. On the other hand, if I wanted everything big and out in front with a big ol' "go" button, I could do that too. It's not about whether it's possible to change things around or not in Moz, it's about whether it's more convenient that it is in IE5. And it isn't.

I disagree. There are more mouse clicks involved in changing the IE UI, spread across so many menus, compared to the bliss of clicking on a .xpi file and having it download and install immediately. The latter is also much easier for new users.

100% standards compliance is a dumb idea. All I want is a browser that loads fast, runs fast, has a brilliant non-interface, is reasonably standards compliant, loaded up with geeky features (tucked away for joeschmoe yet still easy to find and use, of course) with a small memory footprint. I thought this was the promise of Mozilla, but I guess I was wrong.

I don't think your were.

Mike

Here. Download the Native Windows skin for an IE like, Win32 standard interface.

This isn't to say that MSN Explorer uses a standard interface, or provides the option to. In fact, it somehow uses the IE rendering engine to render pages differently from IE. Cute :-)

screen shot - quite convincing too.

actual page

they do

Be sure to grab some themes at Netscape Theme Park, as well as here. I am using the new Orbit theme, and Sky Pilot. Both themes react very well, and make browsing a lot of fun.

e.themes.org picked up this story, also. According to them, both Enlightenment running the BlueSteel theme and Window Maker are visible in the scene and their conclusion is that it is a composite.

I ran that theme for a while. Blue window titles with little notches taken out. Look at it here ;

Come on, theme-makers! We can have this whole interface cloned MOTNHS before Whistler ever comes out! Heh heh...
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Robert Dumas

Look at this page. Isn't that the themes.org logo? Wow. Just give credit where credit is due. I don't see any credit given on his site.

Whenever I try to install a *.xpi file with the current milestone release, it just times out while connecting to the server. I can download the XPI files no problem with another browser.

There are already quite a few themes available already (see http://x.themes.org/viewresourc es.phtml?type=chrome). They ought to make the ones that exist installable first.

-- Steve

http://mozilla.themes.org

;-)

Maybe you should try Mozilla with the Mozbilla or Native.windows themes - available here. I can recommend the Native.windows chrome as one of the best available.

Of course, that means you have to suffer the Mozilla bloat, but it isn't as bad as it used to be.

This time it's brought to us by OSDN, VA Linux, and all the assorted sites like Linux.com, Themes.org, SourceForge, ThinkGeek and what have you.

So, you mean it is sponsored by VA Linux.

But when can I run e on it?!

XPI is mozilla's cross (X) Platform Installer. It uses a combination of zip files with javascript and RDF to keep track of what you have installed so you can easily add and remove pieces of the browser.

What uses XPI? Well, the win32 and linux installers use it to install the application. This means that if you don't want to install ChatZilla (which rocks by the way, full IRC client in a 400k install, IIRC) you don't have to. Same with mail/news. Even the PSM comes as an XPI. And skins? Skins are wrappable in XPI.

Want more information about XPI? There's a tutorial written by kerz at MozillaZine

Oh, and by the way, I use Moz full time, and so does most everybody else on #mozillazine (irc.mozilla.org)

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Didn't anyone remember that Apple is just as bad, suing people for trademark infringement for making Themes similar to their new OS look? They sued for trademark infringement for "simple" machines similar to their iMac. Suddenly, Cobalt is suing Apple for a similar design, and people are saying that Cobalt is wrong?

Did people forget that it's just Apple getting a piece of their own medicine? I'm not saying that Cobalt is right, but Apple does this to others, why's it so bad that they're getting it right back?

Dragon Magic

Heh. Why don't you check out gtk.themes.org and see just how many engine themes there are. There are about an order of magnitude more pixmap themes than engine themes.

More significantly, the company repeatedly has tried to stymie independent developers working on Napster-compatible software and Web sites.
Is that true?
http://freshmeat.net/search.php3?que ry=napster
The only napster clone I've used is Gnapster, which (mmmmm.... Aqua GTK theme) works IMHO faster and more efficiently than the Windows client. I haven't heard anything about Napster trying to shut these people down. I'm sure they could easily tweak their protocol a la AOL to make it incompatible with the reverse-engineered stuff. I don't see what they've done that's selfish at all, except try to stop people from SELLING merchandise pertaining to them without permission.

KDE Ryoko Theme

All I really did was take Ryoko art from the Web and create a bunch of configuration files to map it to the K Desktop Environment, so I don't deserve much credit. The real credit goes to Cabbit.com where there are a lot of Ryoko pictures available for download (and which I have no involvement with at all except to think it is a cool site.

I'm glad that the reports of Tenchi's demise were "greatly exagerated," I only hope this movie will be as good as the first Tenchi OAV series.

"So," said Ryoko, as she prepared to blast Tenchi to smithereens.

I love it because it reminds me of win 98 out of the box. Noisy, cluttered, presumptious (esp about MIME), 100 megs+ install and crashes randomly.

I'll stick with ICEWM thank you very much, and KDE when I have to.

• WIMP - Windowed Interface with Mouse Pointer

  This "model" has become fairly much dominant, and continues to undergo various forms of "tweaking," lately with everyone going gonzo over Themes.

  Unfortunately, major changes require either nuking the whole thing and starting from scratch, which is a lot of work, or else making systems of more and more byzantine complexity to operate.

  The latter is where adding additional "stuff-to-click" takes us. Every added toolbar results in another "hieroglyphic" language, moving us towards ancient Egyptian rather than anything modern. (The McLuhan "Laws of Media" strike again...)

• MVC - Model/View/Controller

  The more "intelligent" sorts of changes don't necessarily involve increasing the visible complexity, but rather trying to split systems more clearly into this paradigm of designing, somewhat separately, an underlying model, a set of controller functions to control the object, and then some form of "front end," or "view."

  It's hardly new; Smalltalk and NeXTStep promoted the MVC "view of the world" umpteen years ago, and the problem really is that the ad-hoc GUI construction systems have so often conflated M, V, and C together that many GUI applications wind up as jumbled sets of functionality.

  It may be that introducing things like Glade User Interface Builder along with libglade , to encourage keeping "controller" stuff in once place, GNOME-print, Gnome Canvas, DPS for XFree86, and Display Ghostscript, ReportLab, providing "view" tools, and CORBA, providing separation of "model," may provide a direction to clearly separate these functions so that GUIs will be less confused.

None of this represents dramatic, overnight change, and I'm not sure that that's a bad thing.

Anybody who's ever started e with a badly formed theme (and got the lovely pink borders) knows that e itself is very, very fast. It's imlib that's slow, and using all of those pixmaps.

I used E for several months. Then I tried out Sawfish (back when it was called sawmill) just to see what it was like. I immediately noticed that my machine seemed a lot faster, and many operations (like switching desktops) became less clunky. Sawfish uses imlib, and I'm using the same theme I used on E (except the Sawfish version, of course), so I don't think it's fair to blame imlib for E's "lack of speed". E is slow, its configuration language is a hack, and it's becoming more bloated all the time.

While we're talking about those screenshots, would anyone tell me (and possibly others) what window manager is that nice one?

That's the latest Sawfish running under Helix Code's GNOME 1.2, which, in turn, is running under an up-to-date frozen Debian. The theme is qn-x11, and you can find it at sawmill.themes.org. Look around for the accompanying GTK theme. The Photo-Paint and Corel Draw windows themselves look a little strange because I've made no effort to get my KDE/QT setup to sync with my GNOME stuff, and Corel's apps use your QT setup.

Kind regards,
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Michael Hall
Charlottesville, Virginia

if you're interested in making cool fake OSes on a mac, check out kaleidoscope.net or on windows, check out litestep.net. these are both really nifty theming engines for their various platforms. of course, if you're lucky enough to be running X, just go to themes.org and take it away...

the bottom line is that most modern OSes can be customized much more than is first apparent, so if you want more little bells and whistles and neat stuff, you can probably get it with a little tinkering...

Enjoy!
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