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'Jew' is a race, 'Judaism' is a faith. You used one word and meant another - but the word you used invalidated your argument when read by someone else who knows how to distinguish the words, eg. me.

Perhaps English is not your first language, so I won't go any further with your mistake, I wouldn't want to be a 'grammar Nazi' after all, lol. What it means is your attempted little baiting has failed - you simply can't call me a Nazi because you fsckd up your little trap through a misunderstanding of the meaning of the words 'Jew' vs 'Judaism'. Your whole thinking of me as some kind of Nazi is based on a false premise - me responding to some fscked up writing of yours where you didn't even understand what you were saying.

Since your little trap has failed, what does that leave us with? Well, I have made a bunch of statements and backed them up with numerous website links, documents, and video clips. You have made a bunch of statements and have backed them up with nothing. All you are giving is opinions and insults (I'm not complaining about the latter, I too trade barbs). Would be nice if you would actually watch the references I provided and could provide some kinds of facts for rebuttal - you know, like something even an undergraduate would do without needing to be told.

Look, I know you believe that by demonstrating tolerance of the intolerant (Islam, as in Totalitarian Religious Socialism) that somehow you feel you are the good guy. Did you grandfather demonstrate tolerance of the intolerant (Totalitarian National Socialism)? No, he did not. Tolerating evil *is* evil - perhaps not as great an evil but an evil nevertheless. I tolerate a great deal of things (which we have not covered in these discussions) but I'm with your grandfather on this: I refuse to tolerate the intolerance of Naziism nor the religious equivalent, which is Islam. If your grandfather was alive today do you think he would be proud of you demonstrating your tolerance of the modern even more genocidal equivalent of Nazis, which are the Islamicists? He would be sickened with your position - because of your clear ignorance of Islamic doctrine you are defending evil. I'll give you some references (not that you ever check them out anyway, you are so determined to not learn about the true nature of the evil ideology you defend):

The Muslim rape gangs operating in the UK. They believe they are justified in grooming, trading, and gang raping underage girls because of the Qur'anic passage "men may enjoy 'what your right hands own,' 4:3":
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/04/muslim-gang-rapes-brutalizes-kidnapped-13-year-old-over-4-days-you-treated-her-like-a-piece-of-meat-.html

Then we have three Islamic attacks today (22 killed and 61 wounded in India, Pakistan and Iraq). This follows two the day before (17 dead, 13 wounded in Pakistan and Nigeria), one the day before that (8 dead, 23 wounded in Baghdad), and four attacks the day before that (25 killed, 119 wounded in Pakistan and Iraq). There have been more than 20762 deadly Islam-motivated attacks since 9/11, and this carnage has been going on for *1400* years (well before Israel and the US were created):
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
Let's have a look at what is going on with these these casualties, so we can see who are the victims of the people you are defending:

• 2013.04.25 - The Taliban bomb the offices of a secular-leaning political party, killing at six.
• 2013.04.25 - Eleven people are killed in two Boko Haram attacks.
• 2013.04.24 - Eight Shiites at a bus stop are obliterated by Sunni bombers.
• 2013.04.23 - Muslims bomb a rival mosque, killing seven worshippers.
• 2013.04.23 - Nine people bleed to death as Shiites

That's right, keep attacking personally like you deluded Lefties always do. Never, ever look for facts or counter facts. That's the tactic, eh?

Actually, I gained my PhD over a dozen years ago working on this project: http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/moa/ where I contributed software and algorithms that were used to find extra-solar planets. So, let's examine your credentials, eh? See what your scientific backgrounds is. I bet you don't have a background in hard science, which is why your outlook is stuck somewhere in the 1960s and utterly anti-scientific.

No matter how many references and citations I have provided you still would not have looked at them. It is this that leads you to have a worldview out of touch with reality, coupled with a lack of any kind of reasonable or scientific outlook that would correct the flaws in your world model. That's why you defend insanity and don't listen to what people are *actually* saying - instead inventing strawmen in your tiny little mind (despite me explicitly making statements before you even invented the strawmen; it appears you have comprehension trouble with basic reading). This is all so you never have to think outside The Matrix you gladly inhabit.

You think your are morally correct but because you refuse to be evidence base you are instead immoral by supporting evil (the evidence is there for all to see at places like this, if you ever care to get fact based: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks). Supporting evil makes *you* evil.

Goodbye anti-scientific dhimmi - your mind is closed and your life is wasted. It is a shame to throw away you life with a closed mind. It appears you'll never use objective evidence to decide how to stand up for personal freedoms and liberty and women's rights and homosexual rights and protection of *all* faiths on an equal basis (as misguided as they are) - which means standing against Islam and all its evil supremacist commands (eg. Sura 9:29 & 9:5). Go back under your bridge little troll that is massively under-endowed with any faculties of reason.

Also not in there - that these guys are no more Islamic than you are.

Who are "they", the Boston murderers? If that's who you mean they you haven't been following the evidence on the older one. His uncle said he had become a lot more devout of late. Tsaraev went from praying once a day to five times a day. Not a crime, but shows how he has become radicalized as a jihadi (his entire mind was taken over by thoughts of Islam, and he was in contact with radical imams).

You only think I have a "kneejerk" reaction because you appear to live in a fact-free bubble. You probably still labour until the illusion that "Islam is a Religion of Peace" - which simply indicates you have zero understanding of Islamic doctrine. I would be happy to provide you with an avalance of material from Islamic sources if you like - it would cure you of any illusions as to the global intentions of political Islam. Here are some facts on exactly how peaceful Islam is around the globe:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Your statement also indicates that in 13 years you have learned exactly *zero*. This is probably because you either dismiss facts you don't like (the anti-scientific way), or only watch left-leaning mainstream media (who selectively report and suppress inconvenient truths, like what Muslims say to each other behind closed doors). Here's an article showing how false the media reporting is, and why you are so very, very wrong in your statement that Tsaraev was "no more Islamic" than I am (which is utter bullshit):
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/what-really-going/2013/apr/20/liberal-media-take-chill-pill-boston-bombers-musli/

As long as you remain in denial of the the nature and goals of Islam you will always be a "useful idiot" that the Islamists rely on to further their agenda. You think you are being tolerant and doing good but in fact you are providing a defense of the intolerant and evil. Please stop doing that - stop defending evil by deflecting legitimate and factual criticism of jihad and known jihadis.

Also not in there - that these guys are no more Islamic than you are.

Who are "they", the Boston murderers? If that's who you mean they you haven't been following the evidence on the older one. His uncle said he had become a lot more devout of late. Tsaraev went from praying once a day to five times a day. Not a crime, but shows how he has become radicalized as a jihadi (his entire mind was taken over by thoughts of Islam, and he was in contact with radical imams).

You only think I have a "kneejerk" reaction because you appear to live in a fact-free bubble. You probably still labour until the illusion that "Islam is a Religion of Peace" - which simply indicates you have zero understanding of Islamic doctrine. I would be happy to provide you with an avalance of material from Islamic sources if you like - it would cure you of any illusions as to the global intentions of political Islam. Here are some facts on exactly how peaceful Islam is around the globe:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Your statement also indicates that in 13 years you have learned exactly *zero*. This is probably because you either dismiss facts you don't like (the anti-scientific way), or only watch left-leaning mainstream media (who selectively report and suppress inconvenient truths, like what Muslims say to each other behind closed doors). Here's an article showing how false the media reporting is, and why you are so very, very wrong in your statement that Tsaraev was "no more Islamic" than I am (which is utter bullshit):
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/what-really-going/2013/apr/20/liberal-media-take-chill-pill-boston-bombers-musli/

As long as you remain in denial of the the nature and goals of Islam you will always be a "useful idiot" that the Islamists rely on to further their agenda. You think you are being tolerant and doing good but in fact you are providing a defense of the intolerant and evil. Please stop doing that - stop defending evil by deflecting legitimate and factual criticism of jihad and known jihadis.

It seems that the one picking and choosing verses is you. I leave the explanation (and whatever "choosing" the explainer may feel necessary) to the person supporting the worldview. In the case of Islam, the follower of Islam can make his case as the the quality of and logical coherence of his worldview. I have no need to do that at all, nor would I, as I'm not a follower of Islam.

Perhaps he can reconcile his verses with this, perhaps he can't. Perhaps he can't and needs to conclude his religion is logically inconsistent. Such an effort or its outcome has nothing to do with me or my religion, though.

As for "love thy neighbor", the founder (Jesus) himself says it in itself sums up the entire Law and Gospel, that is, the entire religion. There literally is no better or more definitional verse to "pick".

Doubly false. Shows you don't know as much as you think you do - and you need to do a lot more research than merely regurgitate the propaganda of Hamas-inspired CAIR and their Leftist Allies.

False. Jihad means many things. There are not "many" interpretations of jihad. There are two. This shows you don't actually know what you are talking about. "Jihad akhbar" is "greater jihad" that is a personal struggle. "Jihad asghar" is the "lesser jihad". However it is jihad asghar that is called for in most of the 109 or so verses of the Qur'an that call for the slaughter and subjugation of non-Muslims. I hope you never repeat this falsehood again - you are supporting jihadis when you do (which is why their propaganda arms like CAIR and Muslim Student Association put the lie out there - to play a "Jedi Mind Trick" on any weak-minded person who will repeat the falsehood without investigating the facts). If you want to learn how you were mistaken please see the excellent YouTube videos by Major Stephen Coughlin. This one analyses the basis for jihad in Islamic Law (using *Islamic sources only*): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0 "Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law"

People like you really miss the Red Scare don't you?

False. Actually I wish Islam was a "religion of peace" rather than the evil totalitarian political movement it is. However, your characterization to slander me with projected falsehood is a typical tactic of the political Left. By trying to demonize an opponent it absolves you from ever listening to them or needing to produce facts to counter their argument (which in most cases, you couldn't do). Please desist from this. It is a bad habit and resorting to it shows you actually have no counter argument to make - which makes you look bad. I suggest instead of closing your mind to counter-evidence you instead follow the citations I give. That might cure you of your current delusions with regard to the nature and aims of political Islam (and you would then stop making excuses for evil).

Furthermore, let us conduct a "thought-experiment". Imagine if the Qur'an verses mentioning jihad really meant "personal struggle" rather than "total war against unbelievers", what would the Islamic World and Middle East then look like? would we still have 270 million killed by Islam? would we have subjugation and discrimination against all remaining non-Muslim populations in the Middle East (eg. Jews, Christians [Assyrians, Copts], Atheists, etc). Would the world have multiple attacks per day by the Muslims who follow the *mainstream* Islamic doctrine that jihad means warfare against unbelievers, check out the facts:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now that you understand you have been repeating propaganda planted for you by evil jihadis and their apologists I hope you will stop parroting it. The following sites will help you distinguish the islamicist lies from reality (and show you *facts* that the mainstream media is too afraid to show):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://gatesofvienna.net/

Doubly false. Shows you don't know as much as you think you do - and you need to do a lot more research than merely regurgitate the propaganda of Hamas-inspired CAIR and their Leftist Allies.

False. Jihad means many things. There are not "many" interpretations of jihad. There are two. This shows you don't actually know what you are talking about. "Jihad akhbar" is "greater jihad" that is a personal struggle. "Jihad asghar" is the "lesser jihad". However it is jihad asghar that is called for in most of the 109 or so verses of the Qur'an that call for the slaughter and subjugation of non-Muslims. I hope you never repeat this falsehood again - you are supporting jihadis when you do (which is why their propaganda arms like CAIR and Muslim Student Association put the lie out there - to play a "Jedi Mind Trick" on any weak-minded person who will repeat the falsehood without investigating the facts). If you want to learn how you were mistaken please see the excellent YouTube videos by Major Stephen Coughlin. This one analyses the basis for jihad in Islamic Law (using *Islamic sources only*): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0 "Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law"

People like you really miss the Red Scare don't you?

False. Actually I wish Islam was a "religion of peace" rather than the evil totalitarian political movement it is. However, your characterization to slander me with projected falsehood is a typical tactic of the political Left. By trying to demonize an opponent it absolves you from ever listening to them or needing to produce facts to counter their argument (which in most cases, you couldn't do). Please desist from this. It is a bad habit and resorting to it shows you actually have no counter argument to make - which makes you look bad. I suggest instead of closing your mind to counter-evidence you instead follow the citations I give. That might cure you of your current delusions with regard to the nature and aims of political Islam (and you would then stop making excuses for evil).

Furthermore, let us conduct a "thought-experiment". Imagine if the Qur'an verses mentioning jihad really meant "personal struggle" rather than "total war against unbelievers", what would the Islamic World and Middle East then look like? would we still have 270 million killed by Islam? would we have subjugation and discrimination against all remaining non-Muslim populations in the Middle East (eg. Jews, Christians [Assyrians, Copts], Atheists, etc). Would the world have multiple attacks per day by the Muslims who follow the *mainstream* Islamic doctrine that jihad means warfare against unbelievers, check out the facts:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now that you understand you have been repeating propaganda planted for you by evil jihadis and their apologists I hope you will stop parroting it. The following sites will help you distinguish the islamicist lies from reality (and show you *facts* that the mainstream media is too afraid to show):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://gatesofvienna.net/

False. Stop projecting. Also, you are *wrong*. You are spouting your *opinion*. Here are the *facts*: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Notice how there are *multiple* Islamicist attacks around the World every day? doesn't your enormous ignorance concern you? don't do you feel even a tinge of guilt for trying to demonize those who know a fsck load more than you and are armed with facts rather than your wimpy and *false* opinions? It is apologists like you that are the problem. Your weak agenda has allowed the human-rights violating cancer of political Islam into tolerant societies. You are part of the problem yet you are too ignorant to understand it, yet. Fortunately the Islamicists state they are very very willing to provide many more examples for you on a daily basis until you finally wake to the *facts* of the situation - that political Islam is an evil totalitarian ideology that must be opposed by all moral Free People (which currently does not appear to include you - hopefully that will change as you learn more).

In your effort to show how clever you are you completely miss the point (and inadvertently you also end up providing apologetics for defending the evil doctrines of Islam).

Please name one homicide bomber that was inspired to murder by Christianity? Or name one mainstream Christian Church that said that murder in the name of Christianity is morally good in the 21st Century? you can't, because a central doctrine of Christianity is "Vengeance in mine, sayeth the Lord". That is, Christians have no doctrinal right to revenge and cannot assert over non-Christians.

This is completely different to Islam, which not only asserts Sharia over all non-Muslims, but commands that Muslims enact revenge and jihad if they are able.

So, by trying to assert moral equivalence (something the political Left always tries to do, and clearly you are emulating) you are trying to indicate that Christianity is as bad as Islam. This is simply not true. Christianity has many many flaws (and, in fact, is anti-scientific and massively self-contradictory man-made fiction, but we won't get into that now) but modern Christianity is positively angelic compared to the "anti-Christ" nature of *mainstream* Islamic doctrine. Note by Islam as "anti-Christ", I mean that whatever Christ/Christianity teaches Islam and Mohammed almost always command the opposite: eg. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" [no lying] in Christianity is explicitly countered by Islam's doctrines of *mandatory* lying in the form of taqiyya, tawriya, muruna and kitman (). In Christianity sexual immorality is prohibited and Christ set an example of "continence", whereas Mohammed had sex with 8 year old (9 lunar years) Aisha, have multiple wives and slaves (including sex slaves), committed rape and permitted others to do the same. I hope you get the picture.

Your sophistry using moral equivalence is an immoral thing to do - you are wittingly or unwittingly defending Islamicists who commit murder around the globe (see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for the daily facts of the carnage). Please don't do that. Instead of trying to appear clever, how about you instead use your keyboard to defend the human rights and liberty of all those killed, maimed and oppressed by political Islam? that would be a better use of your talents, would it not? you may have to learn about the true nature of Islam - be careful, the taqiyya thrown out obfuscates things - this site is as truthful as any: http://www.jihadwatch.org/.

Hell they even say that they will do it!

Yes, they say it daily. The Muslims around the world certainly understand what is going on - they gloat about the coming Caliphate and what they will do to Free People.

The abuse that Israel is under is coming to all non-Muslim countries until they submit to Sharia. Note that even after a country becomes Muslim the violence doesn't stop, it actually gets worse as different Islamic sects are then free to slaughter each other without restraint (eg. see Pakistan, or Afghanistan, or Syria etc). As long as Israel stands it will be the shield of the rest of the world (that's what the symbol of their national flag is, ""Magen David", the Shield of David). All free nations need to stand together against the coming Caliphate (an Islamic political entity that will subvert the culture of and then subjugate nations one-by-one).

Democrats and Left-wingers, I urge you to start looking at the *facts* of what is going on, rather than following your *emotions* about what you think may be going on. The conservatives may have realised the nature and aims of political Islam earlier than you, but if you keep an open mind those same conservatives will try to give you the facts as they understand them. Islam's declared aim is to remove the Human Rights and liberties of all Free People and subjugate them under Sharia. If you think conservatives are the enemy then you are not seeing or thinking clearly. Islam is the enemy of all Free People.

See the facts of the number of killings going on *daily* by Islam (mostly Muslim on Muslim violence). The violence is caused by commandments in the Qur'an, not what the US or Israel has done (as the Left and Islamicists lie to you ad infinitum - to throw you off the true scent of their totalitarian aims until it is too late):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

• The Islamic genocide against Assyrian Christians in Iraq. Most Assyrians have fled and the rest have been killed. Don't blame this on the US invasion of Iraq. It happened under Saddam. Now under democracy (as in, "mob rule") the pace has accelerated, but the motivation is the same. Sura 9:5 "The Verse of the Sword". See
  http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
  Did you know this?
• The Sudanese Islamist genocide against animist and Christian Southern Sudanese. Jihadi raids still occur and non-Muslims are taken as *slaves* (as permitted under Sharia). This is happening *today*. See the testimony of Simon Deng (a former slave).
• The call for genocide against Jews, as commanded by the Qur'an. See the following article for all the reasons the Qur'an and Palestinians give for killing Jews based on *mainstream* Islamic doctrine: http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=584
  Note that anyone who supports the Islamist cause against Israel is unwittingly supporting this genocidal agenda. The Israelis are not the aggressors (as the historically ignorant often believe). The Jews have been living in Palestine *continuously* for over 3000 years (the Roman expulsions were temporary, and only from Jerusalem). The modern State of Israel is trying to *defend* its citizens from the *aggression* and schemes of the 57 Muslim Majority countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (although countries like Azerbaijan get on well with Israelis, and after many attempted genocides Jordan now has working relations). Anyone who thinks the Arabs are the victims simply doesn't know the genocidal agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah (hint, look for the hate speech in the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html). When Hamas talks about "Occupied Territories" they mean killing, expelling, or enslaving all non-Muslims in *all of Israel*.
• The expulsion, killing, and denial of rights to Serbs in northern Kosovo by Albanian Muslims. This is happening today. Did you know that?
• The genocides between Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, and the Sunni+Shia attacks on more peaceful Sufis. This is happening *today* in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey (against Kurds), Pakistan as Islamic sect battles Islamic sect (with the aim of expelling the "apostate" sects): See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
  particularly http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
• We won't even talk about the historical genocides of approximately one million Armenians by Turkish jihadis in 1915, or the hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions in World War II (raised by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni - the bastard who told Hitler the idea of the "Final Solution", stating "Who remembers the Armenians").
• Then we have the genocides soon to come. The persecution and subjugation of Christian Copts in Egypt. Now that Obama installed the Muslim Brotherhod the life of Copts is going from bad (as dhimmis) to worse. Bad stuff is happening to the Copts *every day*. And the media and leftist "human rights" organizations are mostly silent (with a few exceptions). Did you know all the bad stuff happening to Copts today? http://www.amnes

• The Islamic genocide against Assyrian Christians in Iraq. Most Assyrians have fled and the rest have been killed. Don't blame this on the US invasion of Iraq. It happened under Saddam. Now under democracy (as in, "mob rule") the pace has accelerated, but the motivation is the same. Sura 9:5 "The Verse of the Sword". See
  http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
  Did you know this?
• The Sudanese Islamist genocide against animist and Christian Southern Sudanese. Jihadi raids still occur and non-Muslims are taken as *slaves* (as permitted under Sharia). This is happening *today*. See the testimony of Simon Deng (a former slave).
• The call for genocide against Jews, as commanded by the Qur'an. See the following article for all the reasons the Qur'an and Palestinians give for killing Jews based on *mainstream* Islamic doctrine: http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=584
  Note that anyone who supports the Islamist cause against Israel is unwittingly supporting this genocidal agenda. The Israelis are not the aggressors (as the historically ignorant often believe). The Jews have been living in Palestine *continuously* for over 3000 years (the Roman expulsions were temporary, and only from Jerusalem). The modern State of Israel is trying to *defend* its citizens from the *aggression* and schemes of the 57 Muslim Majority countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (although countries like Azerbaijan get on well with Israelis, and after many attempted genocides Jordan now has working relations). Anyone who thinks the Arabs are the victims simply doesn't know the genocidal agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah (hint, look for the hate speech in the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html). When Hamas talks about "Occupied Territories" they mean killing, expelling, or enslaving all non-Muslims in *all of Israel*.
• The expulsion, killing, and denial of rights to Serbs in northern Kosovo by Albanian Muslims. This is happening today. Did you know that?
• The genocides between Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, and the Sunni+Shia attacks on more peaceful Sufis. This is happening *today* in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey (against Kurds), Pakistan as Islamic sect battles Islamic sect (with the aim of expelling the "apostate" sects): See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
  particularly http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
• We won't even talk about the historical genocides of approximately one million Armenians by Turkish jihadis in 1915, or the hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions in World War II (raised by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni - the bastard who told Hitler the idea of the "Final Solution", stating "Who remembers the Armenians").
• Then we have the genocides soon to come. The persecution and subjugation of Christian Copts in Egypt. Now that Obama installed the Muslim Brotherhod the life of Copts is going from bad (as dhimmis) to worse. Bad stuff is happening to the Copts *every day*. And the media and leftist "human rights" organizations are mostly silent (with a few exceptions). Did you know all the bad stuff happening to Copts today? http://www.amnes

2013.02.26 (Mardan, Pakistan) - Muslim radicals gun down a guard for a polio vaccination team.

2013.02.25 (Shikarpur, Pakistan) - Sunnis bomb a Sufi shrine, killing two worshippers.

2013.02.24 (Gulak, Nigeria) - Boko Haram slit a man's throat in front of his wife and children.

2013.02.24 (Fika, Nigeria) - Islamists rampage through a Christian village, killing five people in attacks that included a church.

2013.02.24 (Jalalabad, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two souls to Allah.

2013.02.23 (Ngalda, Nigeria) - Fundamentalists storm a small town late at night and indiscriminately murder six people at a bar.

(Source)

Your counter facts, please. Otherwise you could look at some of the references I supplied and get a clue at what I was trying to say :) That link, http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks ought to clue you in to the reality of Islam a fair bit. The Obama Administration is deluded by the Leftist "narrative" of cultural equivalence and that "moderate" Islamists can be supported and "extremists" sidelined.

The *facts* are that the mainstream of Islam approves and supports jihad and global Sharia (Google for the surveys). Negotiation and appeasement won't work. This is a fight to the death between the supporters of Enlightenment values and the Islamists.

I suggest you do the research yourself. Look at the agenda of the OIC (Stephen Coughlin's videos on YouTube are simply the best explanation). Read the Qur'an and hadiths - they would be condemned as an ideology of utter hate speech if they weren't cloaked in a fig leaf of plagiarized superstitious mumbo-jumbo. Check the *facts* rather than just going by what you think you know. That's all I ask.

Good on your for not resisting :)

I agree with you - I just didn't want to get side-tracked on the fact that none of the claims of religions are scientifically verified. Unfortunately some of the people resisting True Evil (tm) also known as "The Ideology called Islam" just happen to be hard-core Christians and Hindus. They are right about Islam, even if it is what an atheistic might consider the wrong reasons (atheists/humanists see Islam as a dire and increasing threat to liberty; other religious just claim Islam is wrong). At this stage of the game I'll accept them into my camp.

Once we defeat "The Religion of Peace" (ha, what a joke - this is such a lie as shown by the facts: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) then we can have reasoned debate with those with religious delusions (eg. show them the massive amount of contradictions documented in the Skeptics Annotated Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/)

At the moment most of the Free World are not aware of the 57-country Organization of Islamic Cooperation's (OIC) control of the UN (they are the largest single voting bloc, and dominate outfits like the UN Human Rights Council). The OIC claims jurisdiction over any country that has Muslims (that's right, their claim includes where you live). Since they dominate the UN HRC they are slowly but steadily making progress in implementing Islam-friendly laws. Then we have the muppets in the Free World going along with this to be 'nice' (eg. Hiliary Clinton's abject sell-out of the US First Amendment when she co-sponsored the Sharia-compliant UN HRC Resolution 16/18; disgusting behaviour for a US leader). The Muslim Brotherhood has just taken the chair of the OIC. Their plans are proceeding quite nicely and the West mostly remains asleep. A few do notice but are mostly stiffled by those with an ideological Left bent (part of the Red-Green Alliance; where the political Left support the Islamist goal of bringing down the existing international order that has maintained some semblance of international stability).

So yeah, I agree with your anti-Religious 'rant'. However, I think it is prudent to use all the Allies we can muster to defeat the rising tide of Islamism. If we stay balkanized in factions (atheists vs Christians, Catholics vs Protestants, Democrats/Progressives vs Republicans/Libertarians) then we remain divided and weak against the single biggest and focussed ideological threat to all of us: devout Islam.

It is important to note that while Christianity may be wrong, it is definitely a mistake to assert it is equally wrong as Islam. Islam is much more wrong because it is totalitarian and covers all aspects of life (especially political). Islam claim full dominion over non-adherents (that means *you*, Slashdotters) whereas Christianity does not make this claim (not these days at least).

While this doesn't so much apply here since the intended audience is first and foremost the Persians themselves who are mostly ululating Muslims, but the Quran does say in various forms that you can and should lie to infidels especially if it conceals the weakness of the faithful or allows them to gain advantage over the infidels.

The hardcore Muslims are trying to deflect your attention. The real racism is contained in the Qur'an against the Jews. Mohammed really, really hated Jews because they rejected him (no wonder, he was an evil warlord that at 54 years of age married six year old Aisha over the objections of her father). This hatred is no because of the creation of Israel (in 1948), but has existed for 1400 years since the founding of Islam. No matter what the Israelis do or do not do, or whether you are and Israeli Jew or and American Jew or a British Jew or a Canadian Jew then you the Muslims want to kill you because the Qur'an commands genocide against the Jews will precede the Muslim Day of Judgement (any Muslim that kills a Jew will be blessed by Allah - how evil is that).

The deflection is that Muslims are the victims of racism (when their doctrine is explicitly racist against Jews; and violent and discriminatory against all non-Muslims). Muslims also claim they are the victims of 'crusader' aggression, but when you look around the Muslims are the aggressors to non-Muslims and other Muslim sects/more secular Muslims (eg. in Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Turkey, etc).

It is very very important to understand that the manufactured rage against Lego has *nothing* to do with the cultural symbols. It is all about power and subjugation. The Muslims (especially the OIC and Muslim Brotherhood) want to condition the Free West into 'dhimmitude' where we are sufficiently subjugated and obey their wishes. The politically correct crowd and media are duped into reinforcing this message. The correct message Lego and others should be to say, "In the West we practice Free Speech". If Lego do not give in we can expect violence - the police can handle this. If Lego give in then the Muslims will continue to be emboldened and will press for more and more, to make us feel like dhimmis . This is called, 'cultural jihad' and most Free People don't understand how insidious and clever the Muslim Brotherhood is with this, far far smarter than 'libtard' politicians like Clinton (who promoted destruction of Free Speech when she co-sponsored UN HRC Resolution 16/18; against the First Amendment of the US Constitution).

Google is your friend if you want to find out about the 'cultural jihad'. It is far far more dangerous to the long term health of the Free World than regular violent jihad (which only stiffens our will to resist and overcome the evil ideology of Islam). Here are some starting links:
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.dhimmitude.org/

Even if you don't oppose the ideology of Islam (which means you haven't researched it yet) you must still understand that Muslim demands for special treatment (eg. the right to determine what Lego is or is not Sharia compliant in their view) will never stop until they have subjugated the Free World. Giving in only postpones the day of reckoning when they seize control (and if you care to look, they are quite open about this). If they ever did get control they believe the World would be at peace. This is completely deluded, the Muslim regions of the world are continually in violent turmoil, because the Muslim-on-Muslim violence then gets unleashed and it is non-stop:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The only solution is to stop Islam before we get to that point. We have to say "We believe in Free Speech" and really mean it. We also have to enact laws that explicitly prohibit Sharia being introduced as state/nantion law, "No Sharia in the West!" (which parts of the US is doing, although the Obama Administration is trying to stop the state governments in this - Obama has a Leftist agenda where he wants to deconstruct America as

You're confusing them with Klingons.

You are confusing fiction with real life. For the sake of a cheap gag you discredit yourself. I've been to many countries in the Middle East (have you?). I'm no culture expert but they value and respect strength far more than we do. A man doesn't show weakness or he is shamed (and they worry a great deal about honor and shame - which is why they kill their own daughters, wives and each other).

The only way to defeat islamic extremists is to cut them off from manpower and supplies and that can be done only with non-combat means

Go and look at the surveys and statistics. The 'extremists' narrative is a lie propagated by the self-loathing media (who think it is newsworthy to continually denigrate the Free World, and try to give exotic natives/cults airtime pass no matter how brutal and inhumane their core doctrines are). If you look at the surveys yiou'll see that around 20% of the Ummah (the community of Muslims; which is estimated at 1.2 - 1.6 billion people) want to perform direct jihad. Around 50% (700 million or so) won't do direct jihad but support the ideal of those that do. Even higher percentages (eg. around 80% of Muslims in the UK) want to impose Sharia (which claims jurisdiction over non-Muslims; this makes Islam and ideology, and sets it completely apart from the other Abrahamic religions). So the narrative that it is 'extremists' that can be cut off is false. The idea of 'jihad' and 'sharia' are mainstream for Muslims and core doctrines. The only way to stop it is to reform or destroy the ideology. We could wait for reform but we don't have the decades or centuries to do this - Islamic states are gaining nuclear weapons and other WMDs and their core ideology says that they should use them to bring Islam to the whole world. Remember, these guys don't care about life, they care about the (fictional) afterlife they've been promised and the oinly guaranteed route to get there is to become a shahid (jiahdi martyr). Many consider themselves as doing Allah's work to nuke the planet (especially to kill rid the world of Jews, Christians and atheists) - and getting killed by doing this is the best outcome they could hope for. This doctrine is insane and inhumane, but is *core Islam* (not an extreme interpretation):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMOxjHIt0U

Fortunately most Muslims are good human beings (which necessarily makes then bad Muslims). Don't confuse the fact that many Muslims reject their core (clearly evil) Islamic teachings with Islam itself being tolerant or moderate. The totalitarian ideology of Islam is the problem, and must be neutralized. We are quickly running out of time to do this. Citations:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.al-rassooli.com/palestine/index.html
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/

I can only offer you the Blue Pill or the Red Pill. The media idiots are either poorly informed (unprofessional!) or are lying to you and deliberately not reporting on the true global situation. Do the research, follow the links I've given. Fight for liberty! (which means, criticise the enemies of Freedom/Islamic supremacists at least as much as you criticise the drones, k? and tell your friends the truth you discover)

You're confusing them with Klingons.

You are confusing fiction with real life. For the sake of a cheap gag you discredit yourself. I've been to many countries in the Middle East (have you?). I'm no culture expert but they value and respect strength far more than we do. A man doesn't show weakness or he is shamed (and they worry a great deal about honor and shame - which is why they kill their own daughters, wives and each other).

The only way to defeat islamic extremists is to cut them off from manpower and supplies and that can be done only with non-combat means

Go and look at the surveys and statistics. The 'extremists' narrative is a lie propagated by the self-loathing media (who think it is newsworthy to continually denigrate the Free World, and try to give exotic natives/cults airtime pass no matter how brutal and inhumane their core doctrines are). If you look at the surveys yiou'll see that around 20% of the Ummah (the community of Muslims; which is estimated at 1.2 - 1.6 billion people) want to perform direct jihad. Around 50% (700 million or so) won't do direct jihad but support the ideal of those that do. Even higher percentages (eg. around 80% of Muslims in the UK) want to impose Sharia (which claims jurisdiction over non-Muslims; this makes Islam and ideology, and sets it completely apart from the other Abrahamic religions). So the narrative that it is 'extremists' that can be cut off is false. The idea of 'jihad' and 'sharia' are mainstream for Muslims and core doctrines. The only way to stop it is to reform or destroy the ideology. We could wait for reform but we don't have the decades or centuries to do this - Islamic states are gaining nuclear weapons and other WMDs and their core ideology says that they should use them to bring Islam to the whole world. Remember, these guys don't care about life, they care about the (fictional) afterlife they've been promised and the oinly guaranteed route to get there is to become a shahid (jiahdi martyr). Many consider themselves as doing Allah's work to nuke the planet (especially to kill rid the world of Jews, Christians and atheists) - and getting killed by doing this is the best outcome they could hope for. This doctrine is insane and inhumane, but is *core Islam* (not an extreme interpretation):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMOxjHIt0U

Fortunately most Muslims are good human beings (which necessarily makes then bad Muslims). Don't confuse the fact that many Muslims reject their core (clearly evil) Islamic teachings with Islam itself being tolerant or moderate. The totalitarian ideology of Islam is the problem, and must be neutralized. We are quickly running out of time to do this. Citations:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.al-rassooli.com/palestine/index.html
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/

I can only offer you the Blue Pill or the Red Pill. The media idiots are either poorly informed (unprofessional!) or are lying to you and deliberately not reporting on the true global situation. Do the research, follow the links I've given. Fight for liberty! (which means, criticise the enemies of Freedom/Islamic supremacists at least as much as you criticise the drones, k? and tell your friends the truth you discover)

Pakistan has a bad image because of this: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks Most attacks are Muslim-on-Muslim . or on little girls that want education etc. This video game does nothing to their already well-deserved terrible reputation.

The reason the TSA do it is because they are afraid of this. Look at the constant stream of lethal jihadi attacks around the World: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

I don't like the insatiable growth of the US Federal Governent and dismantling of civilian protections (which Obama looks to continue increasing with his NDAA and Executive Orders). But look at the facts and get some perspective - without security the jihadis would certainly have killed thousands of people. It is just lucky that your law enforcement agencies are good and the jihadis are so dumb (do busy studying the Qur'an and not enough about stealth and warfare).

The drones don't 'bomb villages' (that statement shows how ignorant you are) they fire hellfire missiles into 'compounds' that the various special forces have usually reconoitered. Those compounds have jihadis and their families. Occasionally the missiles do miss and do kill villagers - this is indeed a tragedy, but is unintentional and less frequent than you would think. In Afghanistan NATO compensates for the damage, which inspires villagers to quickly bury donkies and claim them as killed civilians since the payoff is worth it.

It is completely awesome the drones do this because if they didn't the jihadis would continue their following reign of terror:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Of course, if you are a cultural relativist you will excuse the jihadis for their violence and instead simply condemn the US/West/Israel for trying to defend their citizens against these vicious killers. You'll then probably come up with the excuse that the jihadis do it because they are poor (Osama bin Laden was rich), had their land 'stolen' (jihadis have been operating for 1400 years) or some other lame excuse. All the while you'll remain doggedly ignorant of the teachings of the Qur'an that make jihad obligatory for able Muslim males.

Meanwhile you'll probably ignore the hundreds of madrassas pumping out replacement zombies ready to kill Afghan villagers. You'll also ignore the Pakistani ISI and the crime syndicates and opium lords who provide the money for the Taliban. You'd much rather cherish the thought that the West is the bad guy for standing up to these brigands and crazed zealots.

Keep dreaming your false dream. Meanwhile the rest of us will be doing what we can to argue for our rights (stop creeping Sharia and 'cultural jihad' in the West!) and even for your rights. Hopefully one day you'll get a clue and realise who the evil guys really are - the ones that think it nothing to kill little girls for trying to get an education, or kill girls who don't want to be married to old men four times their age, or kill Muslims from another sect, or kill people just working in a building in Manhattan, or riding a bus in London, or a train in Spain, etc etc. That's the real evil.

Does the Qu'ran require the forced submission of unbelievers or not? I keep seeing quotes from it that says unbelievers are to be destroyed.

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
- Qur'an 9:29 and others.

The Qur'an is widely available on the Internet. There is no reason to believe what muslims tell you it says (see taqiyya and kitman), you can read yourself. At least browse it to see its style and common themes.

Ah, you missed the other posts where he called me "moron".

and it hasn't become backward, it started that way and is slowly, unevenly, and not monotonically pulling itself out.

The West is mostly progressing, with some significant social regressions in France etc. The OIC is totally going backward at the moment (1.3 to 1.6 billion people, depending on your estimate). The US has made material progress but their centuries old First Amendment rights have just been scuppered with UN Resolution 16/18. The fact that the US even contemplated agreeing to that resolution shows how morally-invert their governing class' thinking has become.

The World is at a significant crossroads at the moment, will the Enlightenment win? or will the petro-dollar fueled expansion of the totalitarian ideology of Islam win? At the moment the US is so hidebound in political correctness and appeasement (thinking a 'mea culpa' would make things better, but it has made it strategically worse) that hundreds of millions of citizens in the Middle East and North Africa have recently come under increasingly totalitarian Islamist regimes. Egypt and Libya are cases in point. Turkey is under an Islamist regime that is actively working to deconstruct the secular Kemalist state (when it isn't too busy threatening to ethnically cleans the remaining Armenians, if you even mention the historical genocide; and then there is the oppression against Kurdish culture). Indonesia currently has a wave of violence against its Christians. Iraq has nearly finished ethnically cleansing its Christian Assyrians. Albanians in Kosovo are hard at work clearing out the Serbs (who are the victims this time around: http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2013/01/serbs-say-kosovo-police-tortured-them-while-in-detention/). The number of terrorist attacks around the World is accelerating (20237 deadly attacks since 9/11, see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks):

since I have some idea what society was like back then, and it hasn't become backward, it started that way and is slowly, unevenly, and not monotonically pulling itself out.

Yes, history (which I do know well) shows non-monotonic progress. However, over the last decade there has been progress in the West/Free World and undeniable regression elsewhere. Even the freedoms in the West is under threat due to the corruption of the UN by the OIC and now UN HRC and General Assembly resolutions get passed that are anti-thetical to the founding ideals of the UN. Despite your clever turn-of-phrase there is no absolutely no guarantee that the passage of time will always bring progress, and at the moment there is a significant risk that the Islamists will win in the long term. This is especially likely given the posture of the US (where their military are expressly prohibited from associating Islam with terrorism, just in case anyone gets offended. wtf? ! See any of the videos by Major Stephen Coughlin, eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhZe7eZK4dw)

Neither you nor I can predict the future. My guess is that we are at a local inflection point. If the West continues on its current trajectory then the totalitarian ideology of Islam will achieve what the similarly totalitarian National Socialism and Soviet Communism could not - domination and assimilation of the Free World. If the West wakes up and 'grows a pair' (unlikely given the craven self-serving and 'afraid to offend' nature of our current leaders) and we defeat that totalitarian ideology (Islam) then we will have non-monotonic progress again - and I will be very happy to be proven wrong. It is delusional (and, in fact, self-defeating) to assume that the period of regression we are seeing must only be temporary - it could well get

Its like the terrorist colour thing. They want you worried or they don't have a point.

Nope. They are correct because they are in possession of the facts and you, clearly, are not. Hence, you imply a conspiracy theory since it is so much easier than checking the facts (the information is actually out there in the public domain if one bothers to look). I'll do you a favor and give you a link to the number of terrorist attacks since 9/11: The wikipedia list, which is a subset of the real list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ lists 20237 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 (and climbing, it is updated daily from events around the world)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks Here is a detailed list of the attacks

With that data you should be shocked. What is even more shocking is that it is not "politically correct" to point out the *facts*. We haven't lost Free Speech yet in a legal sense, but we certainly have lost it in a social sense where to speak the truth now marks you as some kind of radical, instead of a rational.

The tragedy is that most of the terrorist attacks are Muslims on other Muslims (of a different sect; there is currently a multi-national Sunni vs Shia war going on as to which flavor will dominate Islam, yet most people are unaware of it); there is also a lot of Muslim on Christians in the Middle East and Africa (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Mali etc); there is Muslim on Hindu stuff (the recent shelling of Indian positions and the capture and beheading of an Indian soldier); and then attacks on the US and the West (mostly foiled because the jihadis spend too much time studying the Qur'an and hadiths and not on science or tactics; so police often foil them - but it is not for a lack of trying).

So, if you think the terrorism alerts are just for the military-industrial complex to shake money out of you then you should remove your tinfoil hat. The world is *full* of terrorist acts (almost all of them jihadis against other Muslims, Christians, and unbelievers; as the Qur'an commands them to do) - it is just that you haven't being paying attention.

Its like the terrorist colour thing. They want you worried or they don't have a point.

Nope. They are correct because they are in possession of the facts and you, clearly, are not. Hence, you imply a conspiracy theory since it is so much easier than checking the facts (the information is actually out there in the public domain if one bothers to look). I'll do you a favor and give you a link to the number of terrorist attacks since 9/11: The wikipedia list, which is a subset of the real list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ lists 20237 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 (and climbing, it is updated daily from events around the world)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks Here is a detailed list of the attacks

With that data you should be shocked. What is even more shocking is that it is not "politically correct" to point out the *facts*. We haven't lost Free Speech yet in a legal sense, but we certainly have lost it in a social sense where to speak the truth now marks you as some kind of radical, instead of a rational.

The tragedy is that most of the terrorist attacks are Muslims on other Muslims (of a different sect; there is currently a multi-national Sunni vs Shia war going on as to which flavor will dominate Islam, yet most people are unaware of it); there is also a lot of Muslim on Christians in the Middle East and Africa (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Mali etc); there is Muslim on Hindu stuff (the recent shelling of Indian positions and the capture and beheading of an Indian soldier); and then attacks on the US and the West (mostly foiled because the jihadis spend too much time studying the Qur'an and hadiths and not on science or tactics; so police often foil them - but it is not for a lack of trying).

So, if you think the terrorism alerts are just for the military-industrial complex to shake money out of you then you should remove your tinfoil hat. The world is *full* of terrorist acts (almost all of them jihadis against other Muslims, Christians, and unbelievers; as the Qur'an commands them to do) - it is just that you haven't being paying attention.

We've been in World War III since June 5, 1968. It's just a matter of noticing.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.longwarjournal.org/

Indeed, http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Look, I'm not bigoted against muslims. However, you are dismissive of what I have to say assuming it is based in bigotry. That is not the case. Rather than simply dismiss what I have to say based on your incorrect assessment how about you actually check the references I provide in previous posts. If you don't like these then how about you google the following terms and form your own opinion about what you find when you Google "Hamas Charter", "Quran commands to kill" (resulting in pages like http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm), or "Salafism" or any of the numerous terms I've mentioned. I also suggest you check out some excellent YouTube videos, try searching for "Christopher Hitchens Iran" and similar terms - you will almost certainly learn many things you currently don't know.

So I suggest rather than calling everyone around you bigots because you don't want to listen to what they are saying how about checking out the references I've given or googling the terms for yourself. Your post appears unable to distinguish genuine bigotry with an argument that is attempted to be created based on reason and factual references. That means your post is unreasonable and, well, kinda knee-jerk bigoted against anyone who tries to make a reasoned case for why Islam behaves as we observe it. Please do your research. Then come back and disprove my facts, if you can. Until then you need to realise that it is your reaction that is unsupported by facts/references and is therefore the actual bigotry :)

The Koran demands you start killing within the first 10 pages

Citation needed.

Are you serious? All the citations you need are right here. Religion of peace, my ass.

Breivik was a fan of a lot of people. Just because he liked (some of) what Geller had to say does not mean she is guilty for her crimes. She never, ever, endorsed violence and was quick to condemn the massacre. But of course the same time you condemn her for something she did not command, you let Muhammad off the hook for something he did, as you do his followers. Pity the savage arabs you say, they simply don't know any better. Of course I don't actually expect you to read that link. It's from one of those Islamophobe sites after all. No point reading both sides of the argument when you've already made up your mind.

Please tell me where Pamela has ever fantasized about beheading muslims or killing them in moderate countries. Citations please! Outragious accusations require substantial proof. And Pamela has never claimed to be an academic. Even in the "anti-shariah" community, she isn't looked up to as a scholar -- more as a spokesperson. If you want scholarship, look to Robert Spencer, or better yet, read the Quran and Hadiths yourself. Of course you'll never, ever, do that since you've already made up your mind that Islam is peaceful, only Christianity is violent, and there is nothing more to be said.

You know. Personally. I have every single reason to hate Christianity and Christians. When I was younger, my parents sent me to a facility to try to "fix" my sexuality (needless to say it didn't work), and while that experience wasn't what they probably wanted for me, it nevertheless left me scarred. Christianity is homophobic, sexist, mysogynistic, in many ways intolerant, but it is not, I repeat it is not, violent. It does not endorse of promote violence. I am objective enough to say that in retrospect despite my experiences. You, on the other hand, are so stuck in your blind hate that you refuse to step back and examine the evidence objectively.

Islam is the religion of peace..

And in response, there's the Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina, whose site alisina.org and allied site faithfreedom.org are both currently conveniently down. He writes movingly about his journey from being a devout Muslim to one who researched the Koran in its original Arabic and decided to quit the religion as he was appalled by what it teaches. And every statement he makes is backed up with chapter and verse citations from the book, no less.
He makes the case that Islam is by nature a violent and conquest obsessed religion that advocates no mercy towards non Muslims (with full citations from the Koran, no less) and that Muslims who get offended by this statement are living in denial about the true nature of their faith (i.e. that all talk of peace and brotherhood is only applicable to fellow Muslims, that those who don't worship Allah are beneath contempt and should be crushed, and that its ultimate goal is to take over the world).
And well, you just have to look at the history of Islam to see that barring very few exceptions, Islamic rulers have just sacked and pillaged their way around the world.

Islam is overdue for a reformation movement such as what swept Christianity during the Renaissance. Unfortunately most people go on parroting that it's the religion of peace, that terrorists are misguided fanatics instead of the fact that they're actually doing what their book tells them to i.e. it is a recipe for fanaticism, intolerance and murder of non Muslims.

Finally - as most of you will see this as a bigoted rant - there is a distinction between Islam and Muslims. It is the former that should be opposed, not the latter, the majority of whom are content to mind their own business and live their lives without trying to hurt others. But hey, let's all be politically correct because, 'religion of peace', right?
And if you say 'Old Testament'- BITCH PLEASE. There was this little thing known as the Reformation, and do a tally of the number of Christian fanatic inspired terror attacks around the world compared to Islam inspired ones.

Then again, there's no telling how many are going to just blindly mod this as a troll post.

And in response, there's the Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina, whose site alisina.org and allied site faithfreedom.org are both currently conveniently down. He writes movingly about his journey from being a devout Muslim to one who researched the Koran in its original Arabic and decided to quit the religion as he was appalled by what it teaches. And every statement he makes is backed up with chapter and verse citations from the book, no less.
He makes the case that Islam is by nature a violent and conquest obsessed religion that advocates no mercy towards non Muslims (with full citations from the Koran, no less) and that Muslims who get offended by this statement are living in denial about the true nature of their faith (i.e. that all talk of peace and brotherhood is only applicable to fellow Muslims, that those who don't worship Allah are beneath contempt and should be crushed, and that its ultimate goal is to take over the world).
And well, you just have to look at the history of Islam to see that barring very few exceptions, Islamic rulers have just sacked and pillaged their way around the world.

Islam is overdue for a reformation movement such as what swept Christianity during the Renaissance. Unfortunately most people go on parroting that it's the religion of peace, that terrorists are misguided fanatics instead of the fact that they're actually doing what their book tells them to i.e. it is a recipe for fanaticism, intolerance and murder of non Muslims.

Finally - as most of you will see this as a bigoted rant - there is a distinction between Islam and Muslims. It is the former that should be opposed, not the latter, the majority of whom are content to mind their own business and live their lives without trying to hurt others. But hey, let's all be politically correct because, 'religion of peace', right?
And if you say 'Old Testament'- BITCH PLEASE. There was this little thing known as the Reformation, and do a tally of the number of Christian fanatic inspired terror attacks around the world compared to Islam inspired ones.

Then again, there's no telling how many are going to just blindly mod this as a troll post.

And in response, there's the Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina, whose site alisina.org and allied site faithfreedom.org are both currently conveniently down. He writes movingly about his journey from being a devout Muslim to one who researched the Koran in its original Arabic and decided to quit the religion as he was appalled by what it teaches. And every statement he makes is backed up with chapter and verse citations from the book, no less.
He makes the case that Islam is by nature a violent and conquest obsessed religion that advocates no mercy towards non Muslims (with full citations from the Koran, no less) and that Muslims who get offended by this statement are living in denial about the true nature of their faith (i.e. that all talk of peace and brotherhood is only applicable to fellow Muslims, that those who don't worship Allah are beneath contempt and should be crushed, and that its ultimate goal is to take over the world).
And well, you just have to look at the history of Islam to see that barring very few exceptions, Islamic rulers have just sacked and pillaged their way around the world.

Islam is overdue for a reformation movement such as what swept Christianity during the Renaissance. Unfortunately most people go on parroting that it's the religion of peace, that terrorists are misguided fanatics instead of the fact that they're actually doing what their book tells them to i.e. it is a recipe for fanaticism, intolerance and murder of non Muslims.

Finally - as most of you will see this as a bigoted rant - there is a distinction between Islam and Muslims. It is the former that should be opposed, not the latter, the majority of whom are content to mind their own business and live their lives without trying to hurt others. But hey, let's all be politically correct because, 'religion of peace', right?
And if you say 'Old Testament'- BITCH PLEASE. There was this little thing known as the Reformation, and do a tally of the number of Christian fanatic inspired terror attacks around the world compared to Islam inspired ones.

Then again, there's no telling how many are going to just blindly mod this as a troll post.

No signs of Christians throwing a tantrum...

No, all it takes for Christians to throw a tantrum is the existence of a doctor's office:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

As for Muslims, what delicate sensibilities would you be referring to? I look around my town and I see Muslims going about their business, not killing anyone or burning anything. Do you think they have not heard of the video? What, are they a different kind of Muslim? Some of my Muslim friends moved to America from the very countries where these riots are happening and I have at least a few very orthodox Muslim friends who are not rioting.

The issue here is not any specific religion. Muslims in America are not watching police crackdowns, they are not seeing foreign occupying forces in their lands, they did not have their government replaced with a brutal dictatorship which was then overthrown by another brutal dictatorship, etc. Life in America is nice; they have no reason to be angry, and they take offensive remarks about their religion the same way I do (and trust me, as a Jew, I see plenty of offensive things on the Internet), by shrugging it off and calling the people who made those remarks idiots.

If those countries where the riots are happening were nice places to live, there would be no riots, regardless of this video.

I can use two things to blow your pathetic moral equivalence to smithereens:

Beslan

Piss Christ.

But I'll see your desperate and lame citing of SIX murderous attacks by anti-abortion fools to paint billions of Christians, and raise you 19,100 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11/2001:

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World, One Body at a Time :

This is just the last 30 days of Islamic violence:

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2012.09.14 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Muslim 'separatists' shoot a villager in the head in front of his wife and 7-year-old daughter.
2012.09.13 Pakistan Quetta 3 4 A 2-year-old is among the casualties when Sunnis spray a car carrying Shias with automatic weapons fire.
2012.09.13 Pakistan Akkakhel 4 2 Two children are among four members of a family crushed in their own home by a Lashkar-e-Islam rocket.
2012.09.12 Somalia Mogadishu 8 10 Eight people are turned into 'pieces of meat' by a suicide bombing at a hotel.
2012.09.11 Yemen Sanaa 12 12 Twelve people bleed out in the aftermath of a suspected al-Qaeda blast.
2012.09.10 Iraq Bayaa 8 32 Eight people at a coffee shop are blown to bits by a Mujahid car bomb.
2012.09.10 Syria Aleppo 17 40 The FSA claims a bombing outside a hospital and school that leaves seventeen civilians dead.
2012.09.10 Afghanistan Kunduz 21 15 A Holy Warrior blows himself up at a demonstration, sending twenty-one other souls to Allah.
2012.09.10 Pakistan Parachinar 14 45 Sunnis murder fourteen members of the minority Shiite sect with a car bomb that rips through a packed market.
2012.09.10 Iraq Mussayib 3 2 Sunni bombers take down three Shiites near their shrine.
2012.09.10 Syria Aleppo 20 0 Video surfaces of the Salman al-Farisi members executing twenty captured prisoners in cold blood while praising Allah.
2012.09.10 India Baramulla 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a village head to death.
2012.09.10

The muslims in the west are just biding their time until they are strong enough to act like muslims in the middle east.

Heh.

One wonders why the Mayors of Chicago and Boston go off on fundamentalist Christian Chick-Fil-A, which voices opposition to gay marriage, but are silent against fundamentalist Islam extermination of gays themselves.

Probably because the Christians won't kill 'em.

Just ask Theo Van Gogh.

Oh, wait. You can't. Muzzies actually KILLED him.

Wonder if the Piss Christ artist has the balls to do a Shit Koran?

Yeah, we know the answer to that, don't we.

Very true. The thing that gets me is that everyone knows that Islam is evil and violent, they know that they cannot criticism them for opposing gay marriage and so on, but they all pretend that Islam is just fine because they are sheep following the "PC" herd.

Let me rephrase that to make ti a bit more on-topic:

Very true. The thing that gets me is that everyone knows that humans are evil and violent, they know that they cannot criticize them for opposing gay marriage and so on, but they all pretend that humanity is just fine because they are sheep following the "PC" herd.

Point being: people are greedy and violent and abuse power structures. The degree to which this happens in a given society seems to go in cyclic 2-generational waves, and this mathematician has found a way to model it. The rhetoric in this thread ascribing human faults to specific people groups (faith based or ethic based) and pointing out specific failings inside these groups is totally beside the point. If there were no non-white muslims living in the US, there'd be someone else, and the rhetoric would be almost identical. Eventually, the overall level of societal dissatisfaction with the way these issues are resolved by "peaceable" means will come to a head, and people will look to physical solutions. This will carry on until there is a majority formed who share strong core societal values that they then shove down the throats of everyone else, at which point "peace" returns and "everyone" is happy.

They say history repeats itself, and in this case they (and this mathematician) appear to be spot-on.

What these models don't factor in especially well though, is population density. I'd like to see this guy do a slightly more complex model that ties in the affects of density on the level and duration of the violence.

We were hardly any better 100 years ago, and there are no lack of Westerners who wouldn't mind seeing homosexuals shoved back in the closet.

Really? Really you piece of shit? That is recent picture in Egypt of homosexuals being loaded into a van and carried off. Legally. As in there is no one to run from as this is state sanctioned. Now imagine yourself as one of those men and fucking tell me that you want to drag shit up from a century ago. News Flash: people from a hundred years ago are all dead. This is happening RIGHT NOW. Yes, aspy, because one of the defining characteristics of asperger's syndrome is an inability to empathize. GO SEE A SHRINK.

The muslims in the west are just biding their time until they are strong enough to act like muslims in the middle east.

Heh.

One wonders why the Mayors of Chicago and Boston go off on fundamentalist Christian Chick-Fil-A, which voices opposition to gay marriage, but are silent against fundamentalist Islam extermination of gays themselves.

Probably because the Christians won't kill 'em.

Just ask Theo Van Gogh.

Oh, wait. You can't. Muzzies actually KILLED him.

Wonder if the Piss Christ artist has the balls to do a Shit Koran?

Yeah, we know the answer to that, don't we.

Very true. The thing that gets me is that everyone knows that Islam is evil and violent, they know that they cannot criticism them for opposing gay marriage and so on, but they all pretend that Islam is just fine because they are sheep following the "PC" herd.

The muslims in the west are just biding their time until they are strong enough to act like muslims in the middle east.

Heh.

One wonders why the Mayors of Chicago and Boston go off on fundamentalist Christian Chick-Fil-A, which voices opposition to gay marriage, but are silent against fundamentalist Islam extermination of gays themselves.

Probably because the Christians won't kill 'em.

Just ask Theo Van Gogh.

Oh, wait. You can't. Muzzies actually KILLED him.

Wonder if the Piss Christ artist has the balls to do a Shit Koran?

Yeah, we know the answer to that, don't we.

The muslims in the west are just biding their time until they are strong enough to act like muslims in the middle east.

This from an anti-Muslim hate site. No supporting citations to their numbers, but they promise to "supply sources upon request". Instead of each item linking to some citation, they link to other pages on the anti-Muslim hate site that says the exact same thing as the item.

I decided to test your assessment. I took the first six news items they listed:

The List of Islamic Terror Attacks from 2012
2012.06.18 Pakistan Quetta 5 69 Five Shiite students are blown to bits by Taliban bombers.
2012.06.18 Afghanistan Tagab 6 13 At least six locals are exterminated when religious extremists detonate a bomb at a bazaar.
2012.06.17 Nigeria Trikania 5 40 A Shahid suicide car bomber crashes through a church gate and blows up at least five Christians.
2012.06.17 Iraq Fallujah 6 12 Two children are among six slain by Jihadi bombers.
2012.06.17 Nigeria Zaria 34 125 Holy Warriors walk into two church services and detonate, leaving over thirty worshipers dead in the carnage, including at least ten children.
2012.06.16 Pakistan Landi Kotal 26 65 Sharia advocates detonate a truck bomb amid a crowd at a market, sending over twenty-six souls to Allah.

And this is what I found after a minute or less of Google news search for each - reasonable evidence for each of the six items listed.

Pakistan Bus Bombing Kills Students In Quetta
Blast in French-controlled Afghan town kills six
Islamists Bomb Three Churches in Kaduna State, Nigeria
Iraq bombings kill four, wound 32
At least 50 dead in three Nigeria church bombings, reprisal attacks
Around the World

Now then, the links below are from a side bar labeled "News" on the front page. Apparently the sites you complain about as being hate sites include Reuters, the BBC, the CS Monitor, The Telegraph, the Emirates 24/7, and other lesser lights. In short, you are full of baloney - to be polite about it.

Massachusetts Man Pleads Guilty in Toy Plane Bomb Plot...
Kenyan Muslims Help Guard Churches Following Attacks...
British Muslims Accused of Plotting EDL Massacre...
Islamists Pool Forces to Kill African Christians...
Iran Seeks to Legalize Marriage for Girls Under 10...
Clerics in Egypt Call for Pyramids to be Destroyed...
(Egypt) Unaccompanied Woman Spotted on Train, Quickly Raped...
Sword-Wielding Imam and Wife Brought Down by Police...

Islam is an ideology. It is not defined by what any Muslim wants it to be, but rather by what it is. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.

Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.

You said:

Fortunately, most Jews and Christians have learned to disregard a very large part of their own scripture. Stoning a woman to death for adultery is not a Muslim innovation.

The point isn't who invented it, the point is who's still doing it. Jews and Christians don't stone women to death for adultery now.

The fact that this still goes on in non-secular Islamic countries in full compliance with Islamic scripture does make Islam "one really messed up religion".

I've just had a read through http://thereligionofpeace.com/ and I see no justification for calling it "an anti-Muslim hate site". It doesn't advocate hatred of anyone and explicitly makes a distinction between Muslims and Islamic ideology.

The header of the website, the biggest font on the page, says, "The politically incorrect truth about Islam, one really messed up religion".

Full Metal Jackass, as I said, there are plenty of reasons to criticize violent fundamentalist Islam. The site you reference doesn't do that, it smears all Muslims. Here's what you said,

...the Koran is largely a hateful diatribe targeted at non-believers and women...

This is a feature of all Abrahamic religions. Fortunately, most Jews and Christians have learned to disregard a very large part of their own scripture. Stoning a woman to death for adultery is not a Muslim innovation.

Yes, that site is a hate site. If you want to make a good faith point about Islamic terrorism, you don't have to go to a hate site to do it. And as I've said, when you do, it negates your entire argument.

I've just had a read through http://thereligionofpeace.com/ and I see no justification for calling it "an anti-Muslim hate site". It doesn't advocate hatred of anyone and explicitly makes a distinction between Muslims and Islamic ideology.

Pointing out that the Koran is largely a hateful diatribe targeted at non-believers and women and is the probable source of much suffering is not an act of hatred. It seems more like an act of social responsibility.

280 people killed in the last killed by muslim terrorists between June 23 and June 29th. 1173 people killed by muslim terrorists in June alone. 19,187 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11.

19,187 separate attacks? Can we get a citation for this? Or some methodology? While thereligionofpeace.com seems totally unbiased, I'd like to know where that number comes from. If 11 years (or so) have passed since 9/11/01, that's 1744 and a quarter attacks per year, or 4 and three quarters attacks per day, not taking time off for Ramadan, for 11 years. Just seems like a lot is all.

280 people killed in the last killed by muslim terrorists between June 23 and June 29th. 1173 people killed by muslim terrorists in June alone. 19,187 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11.

Depending on what stats you're using, between 18,000 and 24,000 people die every year from lightening strikes. Depending on how busy the "religion of peace" is they can exceed that in a year, they did that two years ago.

Citation done:
19,171. Done, it's not hard to figure it out. They're all nicely sourced for you too. Including by day, week, month, and year. Including, death tallies, injuries, and all the rest.

Well let's see, between Christianity and Islam. Which of the two had a reformation? And no that's all of Christianity, rather that's one branch of that says using condoms is *bad*. If you're going to try something, try harder. Remember the two major branches of Islam(Sunni and Shiite) believe the same thing and when they don't they just murder each other. Wahabbists happily are still expanding on their extremism though. Druze are the most peaceful of all the branches.

But hey, tell me something. When was the last time you saw a islamic government that didn't crush everyone, and make or try to make women chattel? I'll wait, because you won't find one.

Tell me something, between Christianity and Islam, which one of the two has committed nearly 19,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11? I'll give you a hint, it's not Christianity.

To the mods now. Refute the point, and don't be an intellectual coward and moderate something because you don't like it.

There have certainly been plenty of pro-christian terrorist attacks in my part the world (UK), but mostly in the years before 9-11. The IRA (terrorists) are fighting for a free Ireland but very much under the banner of catholicism. The english they are fighing are very much protestant and they have done their fair share of terrorist acts too.

The reality is that religion has been used as a tool to motivate people to violence for centuries. Generally the people doing the motivating do not really believe in the religion though, they are just using it as a convenient route to power.

Both Christianity and Islam recognise Christ as a profit / visionary / son of god / whatever and Christ had some very things to say about goodwill to all men, being merciful, and treating other as you would wish to be treated yourself. Think of how Christ commanded his disciples to not seek revenge on the Romans when he was crucified.

People with hatred of another group of people often block those teachings out though as they are too set on vengeance for some wrong committed against them in the past.

Do not blame Christianity or Islam for this though, blame the people who cannot forgive:

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38–39, NRSV)

In Islam you have:

“In the Torah We prescribed for them a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, an equal wound for a wound: if anyone forgoes this out of charity, it will serve as atonement for his bad deeds. Those who do not judge according to what God has revealed are doing grave wrong.” (Qurn 5:45)

That still implies to me that the ideal is to not take revenge for wrongs against you, especially if you have some "bad deeds" of your own to atone for (who doesn't?)

Tell me something, between Christianity and Islam, which one of the two has committed nearly 19,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11? I'll give you a hint, it's not Christianity.

Well, it's not Islam either, because like Christian, Islam is a religion, and abstract ideas like religions can't commit any physical actions, much less "19,000 terrorist attacks". Maybe you meant followers of one religion vs. another? But then, even that starts begging the questions of how do you define a "terrorist" attack, whether the followers committing the attacks are doing them in the name of their religion or not, how representative the followers are of the religion by percentage, etc. One man's terrorist attack is another man's insurrection against a heavily-armed invader: for example, is hiding behind walls waiting for troops from an occupying force to cross a bridge and then popping up to catch them in a cross-fire ambush a terrorist attack? Or is it the actions of Revolutionary Minutemen against the British army?