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Islamic jihad has been waged against non-Muslims *continuously* for 1400 years. Many Slashdotters don't seem to know this. Sometimes the jihad is violent, but sometime it is not and is just about slowly changing the culture in which Muslims are embedded so it gradually adopts Sharia (Islamic Law) tenets, such as never criticizing Islam nor Mohammed (the most evil man that ever lived), giving special treatment to Muslims, making non-Muslims adopt segregation of women. banning alcohol around mosques, and Sharia courts in Western countries (the UK has 87 operating Sharia courts - and these all discriminate against women, because Islamic Law does).

Since 9/11 (2001) there have been 25555 lethal jihad attacks. Most of the victims are fellow Muslims of a different sect, but plenty of Buddhist Thais, Chinese, Burmese, Iraqi Assyrians, Egyptian Copts, Jews of all nationalities, Nigerian Christians, etc are being persecuted and slaughtered on a daily basis. Here are the data
http://www.thereligionofpeace....
http://www.thereligionofpeace....

This is all part of the global jihad to fulfil Quran verse 9:5 and 9:29 (the last non-abrogated verses of the Quran, which mean they replace everything else in the Quran). These are commandments to take over the World. Here's a YouTube clip with some of the 1400 years of jihad laid out on a map of Europe:
"Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner" [45 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Muslims (people) can be peaceful (but the more pious they are, the more violent they are to non-Muslims, gays, women etc) but Islam (the political ideology) never is peaceful. A recent analysis shows that the Islamic scriptures (Quran, hadith and Sira) have a higher proportion of hate-speech than Hitler's Mein Kampf does!

Fortunately Islam can be defeated without violence. How? because all it takes is for enough non-Muslims to understand that Islam is completely man-made and fictional, and (most importantly) we have archeological evidence and scholarship to prove it. There will be no more Islamic violence once enough non-Muslims understand that Islam is completely fake - and the Islamic narrative about Mohammed is not true. Islam is a political ideology invented by Caliph Abd al-Malik for political reasons (to cement his claim to the Arab Empire, and to counter the Christianity of the Byzantines, Zoroastrianism of the Persians, and Judaism of the Jews). Here is a discussion about the satellite evidence that shows the claims of Islam's origins cannot be true:
"An Historical Critique of Islam's Beginnings - Jay Smith" [72 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

This would all be theoretical but unfortunately there are political forces in the West that are importing Muslims in massive numbers as they form a fast-breeding and reliable voting bloc for propping up socialist states that are in demographic decline. Since the doctrine of 'multiculturalism' (rather than the sane 'multiethnicism') means Muslims never have to assimilate into 21st Century Enlightenment Culture there are many Muslims who feel that it is their duty to fundamentally transform the society in which they live - and they doing so. The alliance between the political Far Left and Islam is causing devastation across the globe - and everyone can see it, no matter how hard the Left-leaning media now try to hide it.

We truly are in for a real World War, a fight to the death between 21st Century Enlightenment Civilization and Islamic totalitarianism. Fortunately we have the truth on our side, Islam is man-made. Unfortunately we have many corrupt and ideological Collectivist politicians and their media lapdogs against us. We're going to have to struggle to remain Free Societies in the coming century.

Islamic jihad has been waged against non-Muslims *continuously* for 1400 years. Many Slashdotters don't seem to know this. Sometimes the jihad is violent, but sometime it is not and is just about slowly changing the culture in which Muslims are embedded so it gradually adopts Sharia (Islamic Law) tenets, such as never criticizing Islam nor Mohammed (the most evil man that ever lived), giving special treatment to Muslims, making non-Muslims adopt segregation of women. banning alcohol around mosques, and Sharia courts in Western countries (the UK has 87 operating Sharia courts - and these all discriminate against women, because Islamic Law does).

Since 9/11 (2001) there have been 25555 lethal jihad attacks. Most of the victims are fellow Muslims of a different sect, but plenty of Buddhist Thais, Chinese, Burmese, Iraqi Assyrians, Egyptian Copts, Jews of all nationalities, Nigerian Christians, etc are being persecuted and slaughtered on a daily basis. Here are the data
http://www.thereligionofpeace....
http://www.thereligionofpeace....

This is all part of the global jihad to fulfil Quran verse 9:5 and 9:29 (the last non-abrogated verses of the Quran, which mean they replace everything else in the Quran). These are commandments to take over the World. Here's a YouTube clip with some of the 1400 years of jihad laid out on a map of Europe:
"Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner" [45 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Muslims (people) can be peaceful (but the more pious they are, the more violent they are to non-Muslims, gays, women etc) but Islam (the political ideology) never is peaceful. A recent analysis shows that the Islamic scriptures (Quran, hadith and Sira) have a higher proportion of hate-speech than Hitler's Mein Kampf does!

Fortunately Islam can be defeated without violence. How? because all it takes is for enough non-Muslims to understand that Islam is completely man-made and fictional, and (most importantly) we have archeological evidence and scholarship to prove it. There will be no more Islamic violence once enough non-Muslims understand that Islam is completely fake - and the Islamic narrative about Mohammed is not true. Islam is a political ideology invented by Caliph Abd al-Malik for political reasons (to cement his claim to the Arab Empire, and to counter the Christianity of the Byzantines, Zoroastrianism of the Persians, and Judaism of the Jews). Here is a discussion about the satellite evidence that shows the claims of Islam's origins cannot be true:
"An Historical Critique of Islam's Beginnings - Jay Smith" [72 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

This would all be theoretical but unfortunately there are political forces in the West that are importing Muslims in massive numbers as they form a fast-breeding and reliable voting bloc for propping up socialist states that are in demographic decline. Since the doctrine of 'multiculturalism' (rather than the sane 'multiethnicism') means Muslims never have to assimilate into 21st Century Enlightenment Culture there are many Muslims who feel that it is their duty to fundamentally transform the society in which they live - and they doing so. The alliance between the political Far Left and Islam is causing devastation across the globe - and everyone can see it, no matter how hard the Left-leaning media now try to hide it.

We truly are in for a real World War, a fight to the death between 21st Century Enlightenment Civilization and Islamic totalitarianism. Fortunately we have the truth on our side, Islam is man-made. Unfortunately we have many corrupt and ideological Collectivist politicians and their media lapdogs against us. We're going to have to struggle to remain Free Societies in the coming century.

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The Religion of Peace kills more than that every fucking year, in many cases every month.

There is no question that most Muslims are not terrorists. But it is denial of the most dangerous sort to deny that most terrorists are Muslim.

This is an extraordinary claim. I would like to see it supported by any evidence.

http://www.thereligionofpeace....

Even if you don't think stoning women is a terrorist act, just one of religious obligation, this is an interesting list.

And that is where the discrepancy lies. Some folks think that killing wimminfolk for adultry is a just thing, commanded by god. I don't.

But I answered you, and this gets off topic. You apparently do not believe that the attacks that the attackers themselves claim are done in the name of Allah - these people are not muslims? Then who are they?

This is the answer I have not gotten, while everyone tries to change the subject.

I'll put it down below, and I want it answered. Then you can try to turn the topic into my punctuation.

Who are doing these attacks? Plain and simple, Who flew the planes into the WTC? Who killed the people in France? Who is IS, Who is Al Quieda?

There is a pretty good reason for Islam to be singled out. There have been close to 25,000 terror attacks since 9/11. It's the reason security clearances thru airports now involve removing shoes, belts, coats and putting them in baggage trays. Which other religious group has carried out relentless campaigns of terror and intimidation worldwide? When was the last time Jews flew planes into skyscrapers? When was the last time Christians issued death threats against newspapers or cartoonists? When was the last time Hindus went off on a religious war to Nepal, planning to return to the West to carry out terror attacks? When was the last time Buddhists made any part of any city ghettos that the city's police couldn't enter? But each of the above has been done by Muslims, and throughout the world - whether it's Jihadi attacks by Abu Sayyaf in Philippines, to last weeks rampage in Paris.

It's one thing for a group of people to simply believe in an imaginary leader. It's quite another to try and make the imagined diktats of that leader the law for everybody, regardless of whether they believe in it or not.

Who are these mythical 'moderate' Muslims? To oppose jihad is apostasy and is punishable by death. 'Moderate' Muslims are Muslims in Name Only (and are being slaughtered by the pious Muslims, like ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram and Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslims Brotherhood).

According to a 2012 Pew Survey at least half of all Muslims (around 800 million of thej World's rapidly growing 1.6 Billion Muslims) believe in enforcing one or more parts of the Sharia (the barbaric Islamic Law):
"Ben Shapiro: The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority" [6 mins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

You are being fed with disinformation, there are no "moderate" Muslims. According to Sharia there are only Muslims (the ones who participate or *support* the ***mandatory*** jihad) and 'apostates' (who are supposed to be killed, and are, all over the globe):
http://www.thereligionofpeace....

We need to help the apostates escape Islam.

Religion of peace strikes again.

It's not like us westerners live up to our professed ideals of truth, justice and democracy either...

Sure. But I was talking not about people living up to their ideals or not. My point was about the ideals themselves. Our ideals are, as you enumerated, truth, justice and democracy (among other things). Islam's ideals are truth (among the faithful — lying to infidels is perfectly fine), justice (Sharia) and theocracy (the only political order acceptable under Koran).

The meaning of theocracy is debated by scholars of all religions, and the majority view is that theocracy is obtained when individuals live answerable to god. The Catholic church foreswore direct political power at the end of the Holy Roman Empire, and most Muslims reject both the Iranian model of Ayatollahs and the IS notion of an Islamic caliphate in recognition of the corruptibility of humans, particularly those in positions of power. Theocracy is not, therefore, a political order. In fact, true theocracy would be easier to achieve under a democratic political system than a totalitarian one (if a god exists -- I do not personally believe in any) as it is less prone to corruption (but still open to plenty of corruption, as proven every day).

It's not like us westerners live up to our professed ideals of truth, justice and democracy either...

Sure. But I was talking not about people living up to their ideals or not. My point was about the ideals themselves. Our ideals are, as you enumerated, truth, justice and democracy (among other things). Islam's ideals are truth (among the faithful — lying to infidels is perfectly fine), justice (Sharia) and theocracy (the only political order acceptable under Koran).

i read quite a lot of this topic, and i didn't see anyone calling for islam to be outlawed. maybe i missed it. but anyway, i don't feel that way, and i've never spoken to, or read anyone with that opinion.

the problem is this: not all, not even a majority, but a significant percent of muslims don't condemn terror. they would never participate. they'd never publicly support it. but in their bedrooms at night when it's dark, they sympathize. these people don't pressure their governments about the problem, and the governments then either let them exist or put half-hearted efforts toward stopping terror.

google for the polls. here's one,
http://www.thereligionofpeace....

and another,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

He is not 100% incorrect at all. You should probably continue reading Matthew chapter 5. This is the same chapter that gives Christians "But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" - in direct conflict with "an eye for an eye", which is directly mentioned.

Context is everything.

You should probably read this.

> totals millions of dead people yearly,

Wow. Your perception of reality is completely out of whack. Like crazy-pants.
I bet you are one of those guys who takes this list as gospel because the only motive a muslim might have for killing someone is their religion. Otherwise a muslim would never hurt anyone for any reason.

There are about 1.3 billion muslims in the world and the fraction causing problems in practice is minimal however you try and spin it.

I don't need to spin it — ISIS and Al Qaeda do it themselves. Few of the Muslims are actually fighting, yes, but they are funded by the much larger group of people.

You really don't know about the whole Catholics vs. Protestants thing?

I know about it quite well — enough to understand, that nothing in the doctrine of either flavor of Christianity compels its followers into doing the things IRA has done.

The Bible says an awful lot of things that aren't particularly nice either

None of those things are attributed to Him or His prophets. Koran, on contrast, dispenses with such subtlety and purports to be entirely the word of God.

Yes, Christianity too has been used to justify all sorts of atrocities, but one had to pervert the doctrine to make it usable to that end. Islam, unfortunately, does not need any such creative interpretations. It is quite explicit.

Most conflicts have some religious twist to them

Yes, religion is a tool used by societies during conflicts to rally supporters, team up with allies, comfort its own, and help its fighters do non-survivable things for the rest of us. But only Islam compels its followers into spreading itself.

In particular, Koran is incompatible with the First Amendment, which represents an interesting paradox for the US. On the one hand, Muslims swearing to respect the Constitution must denounce their religion. On the other, that very Amendment makes it impossible for us to force them into such denouncing...

Some people consider it a "hate site" for some reason, but so far, nobody explained away the list.

No, but this isn't really an isolated incident now is it? This shit happens all the time, and it's always Muslims.
http://www.thereligionofpeace....

It's a problem, and a big one. Can we please stop pretending otherwise?

It is not always Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

Etc.

Mashiki is right though. The western media plays up some events for ratings, but overall they are hiding the problems caused by muslims (At least in the UK, US, Australia and Sweden off the top of my head). For example, the Ft. Hood shooting was an act of Muslim terrorism that was played off as a disgruntled soldier. The Boston marathon was carefully planned in the name of Allah. There was a recent shooting I'm too lazy to look up that was called "workplace violence" but was a convert to Islam doing his duty to Allah.

I guess one of the biggest problems that has nothing to do with how many people behave in what way is that groups like ISIS go around killing (any non-muslim or muslim hypocrites (that is what they call those that don't take up arms as commanded by the Quaran)), raping (including prepubescent children), enslaving and forth in the name of their religion. As commanded by their religion. And they are not breaking a single commandment or ethical instruction given by their faith. In fact they are just doing what it says to do in the book.

Here's a good place to start.

Mashiki is right though. The western media plays up some events for ratings, but overall they are hiding the problems caused by muslims (At least in the UK, US, Australia and Sweden off the top of my head). For example, the Ft. Hood shooting was an act of Muslim terrorism that was played off as a disgruntled soldier. The Boston marathon was carefully planned in the name of Allah. There was a recent shooting I'm too lazy to look up that was called "workplace violence" but was a convert to Islam doing his duty to Allah.

I guess one of the biggest problems that has nothing to do with how many people behave in what way is that groups like ISIS go around killing (any non-muslim or muslim hypocrites (that is what they call those that don't take up arms as commanded by the Quaran)), raping (including prepubescent children), enslaving and forth in the name of their religion. As commanded by their religion. And they are not breaking a single commandment or ethical instruction given by their faith. In fact they are just doing what it says to do in the book.

Here's a good place to start.

Muslim is a religious choice

So it's a choice to believe:

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing..."
and
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
and
"Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

and a million worse things.
http://www.thereligionofpeace....
http://www.skepticsannotatedbi...

Is that what you are saying? That these people freely chose to believe in this hateful garbage?

Makes me feel better.

had he latched onto any other ideology (like aliens are real or the boogeyman is going to eat your children)

Check out the hundreds of attacks listed at TheReligionOfPeace.com (the domain name is sarcastic, but the list is meticulously researched).

The fact is, there are no comparable websites for any other ideology -- nor would it be possible to create a comparable website for any other ideology, because there are no other ideologies that come anywhere close to inspiring that many acts of violence.

So why do you build up this strawman about "had he latched onto any other ideology"?

Perhaps he is Muslim. Remember, it's important to respect people's religious beliefs. Beat and rape away!

The Quran lays out some very specific instructions about killing all the non-muslims in the world*. If they had mass conversion (ie. nuclear weapons) I'm sure they would use them.

*You may not realize exactly how horrible and clear it is about that. Thank your PC media for lying to you about the goals of Islam.

That's just not true. Violent expansion is mandated in Islam. The large majority of them are doing it in the name of Islam, because the Quran tells them to. Stop listening to the hyper-PC media and take a look at what Islam is all about. Here, I'll get you started:

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

source

Those openly critical of Islam are sometimes dubiously slurred as racists, regardless of what their true views on race may be.

In fact, Islam is not a race. Islam has nothing at all to do with genetics, nor is it an innate characteristic. It is an ideology – a voluntarily-held set of beliefs about individual behavior and the rules of society. People choose their beliefs; they do not choose their race

Therefore Muslims are not a race of people. In fact, there are Muslims of all races. A person does not change their race by adopting or leaving Islam.

Hence, criticizing Islam is not racism. There is no such thing as "anti-Muslim racism" any more than there is "anti-Christian racism," "anti-Methodist racism," or "anti-Capitalist racism."

source

As an ideology, Islam is not necessarily entitled to equal respect and acceptance. Ideas do not carry equal moral weight. The feelings or number of those who believe does not make the idea true or good. Bad ideas can and should be challenged.

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

source

Those openly critical of Islam are sometimes dubiously slurred as racists, regardless of what their true views on race may be.

In fact, Islam is not a race. Islam has nothing at all to do with genetics, nor is it an innate characteristic. It is an ideology – a voluntarily-held set of beliefs about individual behavior and the rules of society. People choose their beliefs; they do not choose their race

Therefore Muslims are not a race of people. In fact, there are Muslims of all races. A person does not change their race by adopting or leaving Islam.

Hence, criticizing Islam is not racism. There is no such thing as "anti-Muslim racism" any more than there is "anti-Christian racism," "anti-Methodist racism," or "anti-Capitalist racism."

source

As an ideology, Islam is not necessarily entitled to equal respect and acceptance. Ideas do not carry equal moral weight. The feelings or number of those who believe does not make the idea true or good. Bad ideas can and should be challenged.

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

source

A good summary can be found here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace....

Neo-Nazis In Germany Compare Jews To NAZIS:
http://shoebat.com/.../neo-naz...

... and yet nobody has anything to say about the "Happy Holocoust" one-eyed smiley faces getting painted on christian fences:
http://shoebat.com/.../antichr...

...or the wholesale massacre of christian communities (which like the Armenian, Greek, and Assyrian massacres, has been quite well-documented)
http://shoebat.com/.../muslims...
http://shoebat.com/2014/07/21/...

Spain is on the list:
http://shoebat.com/.../muslim-...

And so is Rome:
http://shoebat.com/.../muslims...

Meanwhile, in the land of the free, any intellectual discussion of this topic is prohibited (by shouty neo-commies), under threat of "hate speech" legislation, or being ostracised as a 'bigot', because left-wing viewpoints are by definition 'not up for discussion'.

"Unlike some other countries, the US has no experience what it is like to live under Fascism. The NSA is intent on changing that." No, The Islamic Empire is intent on changing that. You can thank the NSA for slowing them down. Eventually it won't be enough, though. If government surveillance efforts are ended, jihadis will find it much easier to plan and carry out bombings and beheadings near you. You may be sputtering: "But ... But ... Islam is a religion of peace!!!". Sure it is. Especially during ramadan, when Muslims become increasingly pious, and take their religion more seriously, especially when their Imams remind them that their religious obligation under the Quran is to kill the kuffar. Check out the Ramadan Bombathan scorecard at http://www.thereligionofpeace.... Watch the mod score of this post. It will descend to -2 or so, as Islamic agents find and dispose of it.

As the quaran allows him to http://www.thereligionofpeace....

The traditional understanding of the faith is that it is a military organisation, committed to the conquest of the world to establish the kingdom of Allah by force. Many Muslims have abandoned this belief - but there is an important element in Islam which allows a Muslim to lie if it will advance the cause of Islam. Therefore it is impossible to trust what Muslims say about their beliefs - because they are free to lie. In this context being a muslim could be argued to be 'probable cause' for surveillance. Harsh but true. http://www.thereligionofpeace.... offers Quaranic reference that enable this behaviour.

moderate islam is the fertile ground from which extreme islam springs. You've got polls all over the place that say that a significant minority of the islamic populace support the actions of suicide bombers. lots in the 20-30 percent range felt sympathy for their motives. I acknowledge the majority of muslims wouldn't consider killing others. but if they don't want to be painted with the same brush as terrorists, they might want to stand a bit further from them.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.... :) i am familiar with muslims, and i view the ones that i know as a quirky bunch. I'm still trying to convert one of them to "no religion" but that's a sisyphean task. anyway.

fathers, mothers, brothers, sons. when they don't denounce violence, they tacitly promote it. moderate islam isn't culpable for the actions of extreme islam, but to a certain extent it is responsible for its existence.

That must have been South Koran. The People's Democratic Republic of North Koran has stuff like this in it.

And the Bible.

When Christian terrorists rack up 5 terrorist attacks a day I think this will be a valid comment. Actually I have read the Qur'an, the Bible and the Bhagavad Gita. I suggest you do the same and then tell me that they all have equal mandates for their followers to kill or subdue non-believers

Bull shit on the US being dangerous for your views.....where is this great danger that you cant voice your belief or nonbelief. Perhaps it might be here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Note the number of Islamist terror strikes just since 9/11, over 20,000. About how many Christian attacks have you encountered in this dangerous place - US? Lots of dumbfuckery going on in this short conversation.

Its painfully obvious you have never read a single word from the qur'an. That religion states in plain text the non beleaver must be killed and says its often.And it states kill the non beleavers at any cost and any way possible. So don't stick up for a religion you know nothing about.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

You are so correct, fyngryz! I mean, take a look at the long list of attacks compiled at TheReligionOfPeace.com. All religions are equally violent, so it's possible to compile a list like this about every religion, right? Er, wait...

The intelligence failure are not about not having sufficient technology. It is a failure of will. There is an ideology that has driven over 21500 fatal attacks around the globe and is tearing up the Middle East (citation: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/). Yet, the US Government has *banned* any mention of that ideology and association of it with the terrorism it so clearly spawns (citation: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/robert-spencer/obama-adminstration-bans-the-truth-about-islam-and-jihad/). The FBI, CIA, DoD, NSA are all *prohibited* from mentioning certain words to do with this ideology due to Government policy (where the Government has been infiltrated by the very organizations that promote such terrorism) [citation: http://www.investigativeproject.org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates%5D

The Orwellian nature of this ideology and its political associates has gotten so bad that I cannot even say its name on Slashdot - because to mention that ideology invites a flurry of downmods. No matter how many citations or indisputable facts one provides.

That is why the NSA will fail to provide timely information. Friendly countries can provide all the tips in the world (as the Russians did a number of times with the Boston Bombers: citation http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/russia-repeatedly-warned-us-about-muslim-boston-bomber/) by the US intelligence agencies will discard this information. This represents a failure of will on the part of the US intelligence services (driven by their political masters).

ps. this is *on topic*, so p!ss off with your downmods (those that suppport terrorism).

During their "holy" month this year they killed over a thousand of "their own": blew them up, hanged them publicly, shot them, cut their throats, the usual muslim behaviour. During the same period of time across the whole world there were two similarly violent incidents not related to islam although one was a reaction to islam (many buddhists are fed up with islam in Sri Lanka, Burma, and Thailand). The figures speak volumes.

Ramadan Bombathon 2013

Jihad Attacks: 310
Countries: 19
Religions targeted: 5
Dead Bodies: 1651
Critically Injured: 3048

For comparison, the Ku Klux Klan has killed about 2,000 people in its entire 150-year history.. Islamic extremists killed close to that number in one month. If Islamic extremism is not a threat and nothing to worry about, then the KKK and white supremacy are certainly not a threat and nothing to worry about.

To make downmodders "less scared" (either suppressing what they don't want seen, or since the topic is spooky to a degree) since downmods with no debate obviously project that much?

Barack = http://www.babynames.com/name/Barack - Baruch = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch (both = blessed) and Bama = son of prophecy http://babynames.allparenting.com/list/hebrew_baby_names/bama/details/ (which prophecy though? The earlier above stuff or what's here now? That's been my point here!)

(See how easy it is to twist things both ways? Kind of like Secret Courts reinterpeting laws!)

Boy - I'll tell you all 1 thing: When the President changed his name from Barry Soetoro, http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/barry-soetoro-aka-barack-obama-disappears-from-dc-voter-registration-site-following-exposure-by-bloggers/ he really messed up because his name can go "either way". That or the jews did in their language and the dude had no clue! I doubt that. He's a constitutional lawyer. Their JOB is to play with words and legal interpretations. Maybe he was out to play with everyone's head? Dangerous IF so.

The only things leaning the "other way" per the earlier posts is what the Illuminati/Masons data showed along with Albert Pike here http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/1o5.htm . However, that too can go "the other way" as well (at least for lower order masons during initiation and what they loiok for in potential members).

Then again, Satan is the King of Liars too. Al Taqiyya is a Muslim belief that also says it's ok to lie http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm, and iirc, Obama claims to be Muslim in faith Didn't he take the Presidential oath on a Qu'ran? It's ok to lie though. Considering campaign promises broken left and right.

No one can tell me muslims are a religion of peace when you start to look at them saying 'cut off the heads of non-believers' and such) and yet Lucifer is the Light Bringer (who like Masons 'wants to better you'). Then Christianity had the Crusades too. Jews and their Talmud saying we're cattle and far worse is yet another.

However beliefs of Luciferianism are a lot like Masonic ideals on self improvement/becoming God-Like etc. - is that bad? Depends on who's looking (like most things, everything is a dichotomy and a matter of perception and Lord knows the Jews and Arabs, though related/same family tree in antiquity are polar opposites hating one another (dumb imo, they're relatives)). Christian counterpoint is that God loves us, and is a good Dad: warning against things veiled that look good up front and screw you in the end... ala you "sold your soul for rock-n-roll" for a lifetime, only to burn in hell forever.

What to believe, right?

Well, quoting the tune the last time now from its 1st lyric: "If there isn't LIGHT" (light bringer lucifer?) "when no one sees" (which downmods hide things here right (wrong)), "then how can I know what you might believe? A story told that can't be real" (or is it Luke 10:18 ) "somehow must reflect the truth we feel" (nobody likes the NSA prism (rainbow))?

However, I'm not asking anyone to believe one way, or another. Lmao, don't know what to believe either on many things in a world of "spin" and presses owned by biased parties (but biased journalism sells more magazines!)

For me, this was simply just an exercise in some pretty strangely coincidental material too, 1st presenting 1 persective and now another. You know: To 'enlighten' you, lol!

Just to see how you'd react (with musica

Thanks for your reply. I see that you want to be principled and retain the moral high ground. Thus, you feel that you cannot condemn others aside from your own Government. There are numerous replies I could make to this, pointing out how this could be the result of indoctrination in the Cultural Marxist "moral equivalence" and "Critical Theory" fallacies. It could be cowardice, since it is easier to criticize a Government that doesn't chop your head off or use blowtorches on you rather than those that do. However, instead I will urge you to consider the following quote, attributed to Hobbes:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

If you are a good man or woman, why do you do nothing?
Why do you not rail against the global jihad that all informed people can see is going on in the World? why do you not condemn the barbarity of jihadis whose two stated goals are to force all the innocent people of the entire World to submit to their political order (I'm sure you well know that "submission" is what Islam means after all) - and those same jihadis are prepared to slaughter Muslim and non-Muslim alike to get their goal. Resulting in the deaths of an estimated 270 million since Mohammed and daily carnage around the globe in the name of Islam. Please take a look at the *facts* of the daily death toll (don't worry, the links are apolitical, just the facts):
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html

By withholding your condemnation you are implicitly consenting to the worldwide slaughter of innocents. While you should hold the US Government to account (and it is good you do), surely you should have even an stronger voice for those that are even worse than the US - those that saw off heads, and rape, and brutalize and oppress hundreds of millions of their fellow Muslims around the globe. Being silent on this is taking the moral low ground. We ought to be defending liberty everywhere - and that means blaming the US when it does wrong and consistently condemning jihad and the ideology that grows and supports it. That is the moral high ground.

Thanks for your reply. I see that you want to be principled and retain the moral high ground. Thus, you feel that you cannot condemn others aside from your own Government. There are numerous replies I could make to this, pointing out how this could be the result of indoctrination in the Cultural Marxist "moral equivalence" and "Critical Theory" fallacies. It could be cowardice, since it is easier to criticize a Government that doesn't chop your head off or use blowtorches on you rather than those that do. However, instead I will urge you to consider the following quote, attributed to Hobbes:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

If you are a good man or woman, why do you do nothing?
Why do you not rail against the global jihad that all informed people can see is going on in the World? why do you not condemn the barbarity of jihadis whose two stated goals are to force all the innocent people of the entire World to submit to their political order (I'm sure you well know that "submission" is what Islam means after all) - and those same jihadis are prepared to slaughter Muslim and non-Muslim alike to get their goal. Resulting in the deaths of an estimated 270 million since Mohammed and daily carnage around the globe in the name of Islam. Please take a look at the *facts* of the daily death toll (don't worry, the links are apolitical, just the facts):
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html

By withholding your condemnation you are implicitly consenting to the worldwide slaughter of innocents. While you should hold the US Government to account (and it is good you do), surely you should have even an stronger voice for those that are even worse than the US - those that saw off heads, and rape, and brutalize and oppress hundreds of millions of their fellow Muslims around the globe. Being silent on this is taking the moral low ground. We ought to be defending liberty everywhere - and that means blaming the US when it does wrong and consistently condemning jihad and the ideology that grows and supports it. That is the moral high ground.

How much torture goes on at Guantanamo again? Before you reply, please read the following to get some perspective (you are too credulous about the claims of the jihadis - which all jihadis are trained to make as suckers always fall for their taqiyya without questioning):
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/gitmo-terrorists-got-fat-then-got-gym-equipment-then-got-equipment-replaced-because-it-wasnt-made-by-muslims/
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/alan-w-dowd/obamas-renewed-war-on-guantanamo/ [mentions the lies jihadis are trained to make. with reference]
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/theodore-shoebat/human-sacrifice-public-executions-and-mob-rule-in-the-middle-east/ [these are the people Obama is arming!]

The political Left, their Islamist allies and the mainstream media are all lying to you. They construct a matrix hoping you will never learn the truth and see the walls they are building for you. I suggest you read the following two sites every day for a week if you want to get a glimpse past the matrix. Then come back to me after a week and tell me I have it all wrong:
http://frontpagemag.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The question you should be asking yourself is why do your news sources and politicians tell you these facts? why is the US always demonized as a torturer and the Muslims as victims, yet the daily slaughter of innocents and Muslims of other sects by jihadis swept under the carpet? The reason is that the Left want to destroy the West and remake it into their Socialist utopia (eg. just like the Soviet Union, shudder). So please get clued up on how you are being manipulated, man.

How much torture goes on at Guantanamo again? Before you reply, please read the following to get some perspective (you are too credulous about the claims of the jihadis - which all jihadis are trained to make as suckers always fall for their taqiyya without questioning):
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/gitmo-terrorists-got-fat-then-got-gym-equipment-then-got-equipment-replaced-because-it-wasnt-made-by-muslims/
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/alan-w-dowd/obamas-renewed-war-on-guantanamo/ [mentions the lies jihadis are trained to make. with reference]
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/theodore-shoebat/human-sacrifice-public-executions-and-mob-rule-in-the-middle-east/ [these are the people Obama is arming!]

The political Left, their Islamist allies and the mainstream media are all lying to you. They construct a matrix hoping you will never learn the truth and see the walls they are building for you. I suggest you read the following two sites every day for a week if you want to get a glimpse past the matrix. Then come back to me after a week and tell me I have it all wrong:
http://frontpagemag.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The question you should be asking yourself is why do your news sources and politicians tell you these facts? why is the US always demonized as a torturer and the Muslims as victims, yet the daily slaughter of innocents and Muslims of other sects by jihadis swept under the carpet? The reason is that the Left want to destroy the West and remake it into their Socialist utopia (eg. just like the Soviet Union, shudder). So please get clued up on how you are being manipulated, man.

Cheers, man - my pleasure to help another Constitutionalist getting the truth out (even though I'm from New Zealand, I believe in the US Consitution and Bill of Rights as worthy evolutions of the Magna Carta, which our laws derive from a long time ago). Some sites you might consider adding to your daily reading list that have lots of information about the international Left (Cultural Marxists) and their Islamist allies:
http://frontpagemag.com/ Show what the Obama Regime is up to
http://frontpagemag.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.newsmax.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/

Liberty for everyone, everywhere - forever!

Cheers, man - my pleasure to help another Constitutionalist getting the truth out (even though I'm from New Zealand, I believe in the US Consitution and Bill of Rights as worthy evolutions of the Magna Carta, which our laws derive from a long time ago). Some sites you might consider adding to your daily reading list that have lots of information about the international Left (Cultural Marxists) and their Islamist allies:
http://frontpagemag.com/ Show what the Obama Regime is up to
http://frontpagemag.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.newsmax.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/

Liberty for everyone, everywhere - forever!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Thank you very much for doing the research Bearhouse. Many simply assume they know what the teachings of Islam are (mistaking it for Judaism or Christianity - when it most certainly is very different) and demonize me. The more research you do, the worse Islam gets as you uncover layer upon layer of lies and deliberate 'taqiyya'.

Those would would defend our liberties against Big Government and Islamism are losing the 'information war' very badly. When even above average intelligence Slashdotters don't know the facts it is worrying. Thankfully you decided to 'check your facts'. If only our politicians, journalists and military would do this.

Here are some alternative news sources for you. I'm not suggesting they are entirely correct on everything, or without their own biases, but they do raise facts that are troubling and not presented by the mainstream media (which is why people are so in the dark as to what is really going on geopolitically):
http://gatesofvienna.net/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/ [This one is quote biased, but you get facts you don't get elsewhere about the Leftists plan to deconstruct the traditional West]
http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1095-knowing-four-arabic-words-may-save-our-civilization-from-islamic-takeover.html "Knowing Four Arabic Words May Save Our Civilization from Islamic Takeover" [An interesting article that explains some part of why you are being lied to]
I suggest reading them for a week to get a feel for whether they are worthwhile to follow or not (don't read them exclusively though - they need to be compared to other sources too).

I also strongly suggest you check the lectures by Stephen Coughlin on Youtube, and also look up the allies of the Islamists with an excellent documentary on 'Cultural Marxism' and how it has permeated Western universities and general culture. You don't have to agree with me, but please do the research so you can see the Matrix that is constructed around us (prison bars only work when they are invisible).

Please note: "Muslims" (who are people) are not the enemies of liberty, it is "Islam" (a political ideology) that is. Just as Free People confronted and defeated National Socialism and Communist Socialism we will also have to defeat the political tyranny of religious socialism (Islam). The longer we leave it to 'get real' about Islam - which means strengthening our enforcement of 21st Century Law and Enlightenment values the harder it will get. I hope it does not come to War - but the Islamists already see the struggle between Enlightenment Civilization and Islamism in those terms.

It's also "against the rules" to deliberately target civilians - yet who takes notice?

Whenever I hear "United Nations" these days I pretty much assume it is the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) that are driving the agenda. They have the largest (57-country) voting bloc, you see, so they can do things like:

• Take control of the UN Human Rights Council (HRC): this means barbaric Sharia can kill thousands each year and degrade women and homosexuals in ways against the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (refer to: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks). Slavery is going on *today* in Sudan. Not a peep is said. Yet, a member state is condemned by HRC Resolutions dozens of times for defending its own citizens against terror attacks involving rockets and suicide attacks.
• Take control of the UN Refugee Agency: this means that countries are forced to accept waves of Muslims that do not assimilate (this has happened in my country), yet Copts and Assyrians who are under daily attack rarely if ever get refugee status these days
• The HRC was able to pass a non-binding resolution (HRC 16/18) that wanted member states to make statements "offensive" to religions (where the religion decides what is "offensive" or not - truth is not protected and may be considered offensive too). This is a fundamental attack against Free Speech (which was why it was amazing that even the thoroughly incompetent Hilliary Clinton co-sponsored it, and as Secretary of State promised to prosecute/"name-and-shame" Americans practicing their First Amendment Free Speech Rights on US soil). Even worse, the HRC 16/18 was just the "thin end of the wedge" and not it has passed an even worse successor is planned.

The OIC realised it can't get its agenda through sovereign national parliaments - so what it is doing is manipulating the UN and then the resulting treaties will then be applied. Don't think it can happen? it already has. The Free World must dismantle supranational law-making bodies like the UN (and the EU - go UKIP!).

This move is clearly a move by the OIC to prevent Free People from defending themselves with drones against jihadis. The drones have been *very* successful at disrupting the networks so far, which is why the OIC is practicing "lawfare" to get them taken out of the sky. Yes, the drones do occasionally kill the wives and children of jihadis in their compounds. This is bad. However, for those that think the drones should be removed, just what do you propose to replace them with? or are you ok submitting to the Islamic political order under Sharia (which is the stated and published goal of the OIC, if you care to listen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAZUvQAzkc).

Drones are good for the defense of Free Peoples against jihadis. Just not in my backyard thanks :)

Here's a little video explaining how the OIC came to grab effective control of the UN with the help of the pro-Communist "Non-Aligned Movement", Yes, anti-Semites, it is produced in Jerusalem, - it just so happens that the Israelis are acutely aware of the UN bias against them (thanks to the OIC, which is faithfully following hadith Sahih Muslim 6985). I assure you this is historically factual, so put away your bias for the four minutes it takes to understand the point I'm trying to make about the United Nations. Thank you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8

Dudes, this stuff matters much much more than the Windows vs Linux or Java vs C# or Apple vs Android wars. To quote, "You may not be interested in the war, but the war is interested in you". There is a shadow war for freedom that is going on right now. If you don't stand up and argue for your liberties then the OIC (through the UN) *will* progressively take them away - it may take decades

Only the British ever really managed to contain it with their moto of: 'Don't fight or we will kill you'. Remove the "evil" dictator who is supressing the groups and you soon find yourself with out of control groups willing to spend the next 1000 years fighting each other of patches of sand.

Think about why this is. Look at the Qur'an and hadiths. Mohammed had Muslims not under his direct control killed (burned them alive in the unauthorized mosque they built without his permission, he discovered it when they asked him to come and bless it). This set the example for all Muslims that sectarian warfare is not only ok, it is mandatory to fight against other apostates, which are other Muslims. That's why when people say if Islam ruled the world there would be peace. That is false, besides the violent jihad against non-Muslims, and the severe oppression of Muslims, there would also be endless sectarian warfare. This shows up in the bloody statistics of Muslims killed every day by Muslims of another sect and in the fighting of Sunni vs Shia in Syria:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Most of the West never knows or cares about the colossal amount of violence that wracks all of the Muslim World. It is the political ideology of *Islam* that is driving this constant violence. Islam is not a religion of peace as the ignorant or taqiyya-practicing liars tell you. Islam is an evil totalitarian ideology of oppression, exploitation and violence. It is against all the human rights we hold dear. Don't let the liars fool you. Oppose Islamicization of the West.

You are right, there are sellers who make a lot of money selling arms from guys that want to buy them. What is significant is not the suppliers of arms. They don't create demand (as was your assertion), they merely satisfy it. The cause of the conflict is not the suppliers, it is the Sunni-Shia civil war that is playing out in the Middle East. No, the mainstream media doesn't cast their news reports in those terms, but that is part of what is going on with the "Arab Spring". The other part is the restoration of the Caliphate (which Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are quite open about, if you care to listen to what they say without going through the sanitization by the Western media).

You really think these people do all of this for free? War is a business, buddy. A dirty business... If you're swimming in it, I wouldn't expect you to notice.

You are right again. However you have to follow the money back to the source. What is the source? Saudi, Qatari and Iranian petrodollars for the most part, with some US taxpayer dollars in for good measure while the US thinks it can tame the beast of Islamism (pro-tip: you can't, ask the pro-Islamist Ambassador Stevens just how well it works out; or any of the Muslims killed by other Muslims in sectarian violence on this list: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ where *20851* fatal attacks have been carried out across the globe by Islamists since 2001-9-11 "9/11").

You are a smooth talker I'll give you that.

I could take that as a soft ad-hominem, but I'll take it as a compliment instead. Cheers, and to your good health!

Could even write a few pro war editorials for the Times there.

That's a parochialism. Which "Times" are you talking about, there are so many around the globe? perhaps the quite-leftist New York Times, no not likely; maybe the Times of London, yes? Well, I wouldn't know, I try to read from a wide spectrum of news sources (with known left and right biases), but the Times is unremarkable for its reporting so I don't visit it often.

Do you think it is a better idea for America to confront jihadis on its own soil? Now you can argue whether it is moral or not, but it is far more sensible to fight them in Afghanistan and Iraq than on the streets of New York (although Boston has shown us it can happen; most people are not aware of the dozens of similar cases foiled by the US security services but with the same jihadi goals, these goals are outlined in the 109 terror verses of the Qur'an http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm plus verses like Sura 9:29 and Sura 9:5, the hadiths etc).