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see: Trump and Golan heights for the opposite of an anti-semite

Just one act and you forget Trump's not-so-in-the-past antisemitism.

See the Times of Israel for the embodiment of an anti-semite.

Your assertion that Obama "gave Iran the bomb" by getting them to agree to halt production and open themselves to inspections.... is beyond dishonest, you're actually a lying traitor faggot propagandist at that point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework

Learn to read, Trump traitors. - Or prison is going to be that much less enlightening for you.

You're a fucking idiot. Yeah, you are.

Obama was a FOOL over Middle East policy. Literally, a FOOL:

Syrian regime linked to over 300 chemical attacks – report

The Syrian regime and government-backed militias have carried out over 300 chemical attacks in the war-torn country, according to a report published Sunday.

The research, published by the Global Public Policy Institute, shows there were at least 336 chemical attacks over the course of the civil war in Syria, with 98 percent of them carried out by President Bashar Assad’s regime. The remaining 2% of attacks could be attributed to the Islamic State terrorist group.

...

Your boy Obumbles created a "red line" and said that if Syria used chemical and crossed that red line, the US would do something.

So, tell us, bright boy. What did Obumbles do about Syrian use of chemical weapons?

Yeah, nothing.

And now you want to believe Obumble's claims about what Iran would do are credible?

Grow a brain. You need to.

Gee, let's think about this some more. Who is the major power supporting Syria? Oh, yeah, Iran. Who did Obumbles hand a path to nuclear weapons to? Oh, yeah, Iran again.

You really want to go down the path of "I don't like this policy, therefore it's treason"? Obumbles is the one vulnerable there.

The pass was used by the Mongols, and that is why it didn't work.

You know we can research and debunk your lies.

Genghis Khan (1162 - 1227), the founder of the Mongol Empire, was the only one who breached the Great Wall of China in its 2,700-year-history. In his lifetime, Genghis Khan led his Mongolian army to break through the Great Wall not only once, but several times at Wusha Fortress, Juyongguan, Zijingguan, and Tongguan, etc. These successes were a big help in overthrowing of the Jin Dynasty (1115 - 1234 AD) and founding of the Yuan Dynasty (1271 - 1368 AD).

But you keep wanting to ignore the fact (even Politifact confirms) that a wall works in Israel. You know, modern times, not people on horses... Why do you deny the fact that a wall cuts illegal entry by 99%?

Again, a quick search says you're wrong.

Hezzabola launches rockets at schools for 5 year olds in Israel (supplied by Iran), not a peep from you.
Israel uses a computer virus to prevent WMDs from being created and used on them, they are the most evil people ever according to you.

THIS is what anti-Semitism looks like folks.

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I went looking for the story I remember a couple years ago, all I could find was it happening TWICE this year, but as long as Jews are targeted you seem to be cool with it.

The point?

. . . I'm not really even sure what the point is anymore. Theoretically, they're weapons of war. A saber to rattle to keep our enemies at bay. If shit hits the fan these things will be used to make strikes against Russia and China and their assets. But.... not really because if shits hitting the fan, nukes are flying, and no one gives a shit about planes. But they're fun to rattle and wave around. Whole generations of stealth planes are never utilized against the targets they're made to thwart.

So if not developed nations, we can use them to kick the shit out of developing nations. So far EVERY god damned time we've done that it's been a clusterfuck that I wish we hadn't. The europeans had success bombing the Balklans back into peace. Are there ANY others?

Cruise missles are expensive, but cheaper unless you've got a bunch of stuff you want blown up.

Ship destroyers are hyper-sonic missles.

Close air support and local surveillance are about 20 seconds from being taken over by drones that are cheap enough you might as well call them decoys. I expect to hear more stories about people launching million dollar missiles at targets that cost ~$1000. oh hey, would you look at that. Hot off the press.

Surveillance? Spy planes evolved to be so fast and fly so high that they're in orbit now and we call them satellites.

I think we were so caught up in the arms race during the cold war that "making a better fighter jet" is just an expected thing we do now. There are simply too many people afraid of the concept of "not having the best plane". We no longer have ships with the biggest cannon, we gave up on battleships. So what's the point of these planes? At this point too many people have jobs tied to this whole thing to simply shut it down. I like Ike, and he said it best: "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex". On the other hand... hey, a lot of scientific and technical advancement comes from that limitless funding that is national defense budget. Quantum radar, for instance.

I'm curious what on earth a "Palestinian Law Enforcement" group does, do they make sure the fire bombs terrorists sail on kites over to Israel have the correct amount of fire starting material or what?

Or maybe they go around to homes making sure the kids are all watching the appropriate amount of cartoons showing jewish people are working with the devil so they are groomed to carry out suicide attacks...

Because it sure doesn't seem like there is any law in Palestine.

Large-scale protests in Iran haven't been getting much press in the US the past couple of days because of the Supreme Court news.

Iran economic protests shut Tehran's Grand Bazaar

Apparently, crowds in Iran have been shouting "Death to Palestine" and "Our enemy is right here!"

Maybe the Iranian secret police has caught Iranian civilians using Proton Mail?

The role of governmental regulation in AI decision-making is a hot topic in civilian situations too. For example, in how self-driving cars should decide whose life to save in an unavoidable, impending accident.

Also, Israel doesn't need to import autonomous weapons systems. It has its own. (Spoilers: the UN is not pleased.)

It's not rationalization it's understanding

It's not understanding. Understanding requires knowledge of the subject. North Korea and Iran are similar in that they have an ideology for external consumption and an actual ideology followed internally. Externally, NK is communist-stalinist and Iran is a proud empire. In reality, NK is a racial fascist state and Iran is a theocracy. You're just regurgitating the external script.

For example, earlier you wrote about the history of Western meddling in Iran (you made a few errors but they were uninteresting). The point is that the regime is not angry about that at all. You see, at the time, the choice was seen to be between America and the "godless" communists, and you can guess from that on which side the theocrats and their predecessors were at the time. What you think Iran is angry about has no relation to their actual reasons.

And when the deal came out most arms inspectors were shocked at how good it was.

Yeah, you made a scientific poll, right. Let me give you a simple test: People who jabber about 'defensive Iranian nukes' are not the best judges of an inspection regime meant to prevent nukes from ever happening. In order to be able to evaluate an inspection regime one needs to have sympathy to the 'inspected country doesn't get nukes' position.

1 quote from Khomeni talking about 2040. It's not a threat it's just angry yelling.

It's also Iranian troops on Israel's border and a hundred thousands missiles aimed at Israel. And 'angry yelling' by the Supreme Leader, absolute leader of the nation, endorsed by the Speaker of Parliament. You could also check out what the Iranian Chief of Staff said oh last week.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/...

It's [sanctions] less effective, but it's still consequential. And if you get them to re-engage economically some of those secondary sanctions have bigger effects.

Nope. The previous sanctions were so all-encompassing essentially nothing is left. And worse, the current idea is that Iran is expecting economic benefits in order to stay in the deal. If said leftover sanctions were effective, Iran would just leave! That means you need to find non-hurting hurting sanctions, and that's just an oxymoron too far.

Rouhani is a moderate, the deal was a huge win for moderates

Rouhani is just the same as the others, people called him 'moderate' just because it was convenient politically. The IRGC and other hardlines got oodles and oodles of money from the deal.

What new capabilities? You're still operating under this fiction that the deal gave them a bomb!

Please try reading the terms. The deal also enables imports of military equipments and removed some existing sanctions against missile development. The process of negotiation and the requirement of keeping the deal meant Iran had a free hand in Syria to kill hundreds of thousands (along with Assad and Russia), and will probably keeping getting a free hand from the supporters of the deal. And that is before we get into the nuclear issue...

You misread that. Iran isn't launching a first strike, they've never been a country that attacks, their objective has always been defensive nukes.

Now that's just spin. How do you think Iran got to be an empire at all? Why are there Iranian troops on the borders of Israel and SA (thousands of km from Iran)? How did Iran got to control islands in the Persian Gulf (by attacking the UAE and grabbing them), how did it took over Lebanon (by killing the PM), why did the Iran-Iraq war lasted so long (Iran kicked out Iraq by 1982, but Khomeini was determined to export the revolution to Iraq s

Omar Zayed had fled to embassy to escape extradition for killing of Israeli student; Palestinians say Israel assassinated him, Jerusalem denies it https://www.timesofisrael.com/...

Israel, USoA, India and most of Europe have great programmers, is just that, since surveillance is much less pervasive in those countries,

The UK is one of the most-surveilled places on the planet, and it's still part of Europe in spite of not being part of the EU any more. Surveillance is massive in Israel. You are off your nut.

But instead dropped off a plane-load of gold and cash.

Their own gold and cash we had stolen from them after they dared rebel against the CIA-installed dictator.

To find a nuclear weapons program very much alive and well, thank you very much

Never happened. When even Mossad will tell you Iran had no nuclear weapons program, why do you American Exceptionalists even bother pretending otherwise?

This is, however, a clear warning of how unpopular views are readily suppressed. It's not clear to me what the best answer is.

There is no clear answer. But as a metric, We can compare The activities of the White Supremacists and Neo Nazis to other groups.

Bastille day celebration with a terrorist driving a truck through it. 84 people killed. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...

Man drives into crow of people in Israel, killing one http://www.timesofisrael.com/d...

Man tries to drive a car through a crowd in Belgium https://themuslimissue.wordpre...

How ramming cars into crowds became a major terror tactic (London attack) https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Another attack in Stockholm https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

Attack in Heidelberg http://www.nbcnews.com/news/wo... Isreal again. http://www.westernjournalism.c...

London again: http://www.dw.com/en/terrorist...

And that is just some of them.

So what we have here is a tactic used by terrorists. Pick a crowd, and play Bowling for Humans. Looks like the Bastille Day guy has the highest score so far. This is pretty obviously Terrorism, and the only people who support it is likewise terrorists and their supporters.

So we have a group of people who support supremacy of one race over another - That would be the Klan. They have a history of violence and murder.

We have Neo-Nazis. Another group of people that support the National Socialist movement and all that entails. These two groups dovetail rather nicely together.

Then we have a member of the second group who runs his car through a crowd of people in Virginia.

It all fits. I don't negotiate with terrorists, nor do I wish to appease them. Appeasement doesn't work with Nazis, if we recall our history. And Blut und Boden puts the Neo's directly into Nazi ideology.

Which is why I put support for these people into the support of terrorism, support that it's practicioners desire to become mainstream. And if that happens, what are the odds that they extend anything remotely resembling free speech to others. Historically it has been exactly opposite.

Perhaps my detractors will mod this up to 5 to show their support for free speech that offends them.

Israel's team absolutely does design. It isn't Costa Rica or whatever where they do a specific task.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/h...

How Intel came to be Israel's best tech friend
A newly found cache of photographs shows the development of one of the country's most important ongoing business relationships

Intel Invests $6 Billion In Israel To Create Advanced Chip Manufacturing Facility

FWIW, sharia courts are actually run and backed by the state in Israel.

News flash: people say things in "private" emails that they would know better to say in public.

You can bet that the various Republican counterparts to Podesta have written much, much worse in their own email records; the only reason you don't know for sure is because it suits Russia's purpose to withhold that information from you for the time being.

Since the RNC was also hacked, we have to assume that Putin is sitting on lots of juicy tidbits from the Trump campaign and other RNC officials, and will make use of that information to apply leverage/blackmail as it sees fit. If you're wondering why Trump is so improbably and vocally pro-Putin, consider the possibility that Putin has pictures of Trump having party sex with underage models (or something else that is similarly compromising), and has made Trump aware that he has them and will send them to Wikileaks (or wherever) if Trump displeases him.

So if during the next four years it seems as if Putin is running the Executive Branch by proxy; well, maybe he is.

and please point out how in any way using the Star of David was the least anti-semitic

Let's see...Star of David, superimposed over a field of money with a message of "corruption". And the image came from a site that is frequented by white supremacists, nazis and antisemites.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/t...

Anyway, even if you can't see it, the people it was meant for certainly could see it.

https://theweek.com/speedreads...

Everything you have written is a lie. The Brits handed equipment? Evictions? Resettlings..!? The day "the minority got military control"? An open air prison? What parallel universe are you living in? Sorry, but Arabs have been butchering Jews at every opportunity for centuries. This started long before Israel was created, even long before Britain was even in the picture. You are clueless.

open air prison pictures:
Palestinian parliament https://i.guim.co.uk/img/stati...
http://www.whyisrael.org/wp-co...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Bank_Of_Palestine_-_Ramallah.jpg
https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/1/1288603238635/M-venpick-hotel-in-Ramall-006.jpg
http://www.jerusalemdiaries.com/photos/large/204.jpg
http://www.pamolson.org/IMG_0376.jpg
proposed palestinian presidential palace http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/u...

I believe the items below is what he was referring to. (Surely this sort of blatant ant-Israeli bias isn't new to you?)

Thousands of Israelis join lawsuit against Facebook over pages inciting violence
Facebook’s anti-Israel double standard on hate speech

Facebook and Israel: What’s Not to ‘Like’? Lots, It Seems

An experiment: Make one anti-Israel page and one anti-Palestinian page. Wait to see what happens. . . .

Shurat HaDin also posted graphic photos on both pages. For example, a photograph on the anti-Israel page featured a young girl preparing to punch an Israeli soldier, with text reading, “these children will liberate Palestine with blood.” That photograph was mirrored on the anti-Palestine page by a picture of a bare-chested Israeli soldier wielding a gun and vowing war with all Arabs.

On Dec. 30, Shurat HaDin reported both pages as violating Facebook standards, using Facebook’s report mechanism of a simple button-click available to all users. Within 24 hours, Facebook sent the NGO a message that the anti-Palestine page it reported had been closed down for “containing credible threat of violence” and that it had “violated our [Facebook’s] community standards.” The page immediately became inaccessible to all Facebook users.

The complaint about the anti-Israel page (which had spiraled into an explicitly anti-Jewish page) also received a reply from Facebook. This reply stated that the content was “not in violation of Facebook’s rules.”

Facebook changed its tune after Jan. 4, when Shurat HaDin published a video detailing the experiment, which made waves in the Israeli press and on social media.

Facebook Caves on Israel Hate Page

Exclusive: Social network rescinds earlier decision to allow page that incites violence . . . .

“Unfortunately we do not believe it was a simple ‘mistake’ as Israelis and Jews worldwide have been relentlessly protesting that Facebook is completely unresponsive to this type of Palestinian incitement to violence,” said Shurat HaDin founder and Israeli attorney, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner. “Two months ago we filed a lawsuit in the New York State Supreme Court on behalf of over 20,000 Israeli citizens, seeking an injunction against Facebook for “intentionally disregarding the widespread incitement and calls for murder of Jews being posted on its web pages by Palestinians. This simple experiment and its results speak for themselves.”

Israeli NGO says Facebook test proves anti-Israel bias

An experiment by the Israel Law Center sees the social network banning anti-Palestinian incitement, while anti-Israel hate remains online

TFA's description of 'violent videos' as violence by Israeli soldiers, conveniently ignoring videos produced by the islamic terrorists encouraging viewers to stab and kill Jews

Exhibit A, the embedded video in the following link showed a 'blow-by-blow' demonstration of how to stab and kill Jews

http://www.theblaze.com/storie...

Exhibit B, a 'tutorial video' of how to stab, where to stab, produced by islamic terrorists

http://www.timesofisrael.com/v...

DICE should be ashamed to publicize such trashy liberal propaganda !!

Citation needed?

Yes sir.

http://jezebel.com/creepy-cath...

http://www.fixthefamily.com/bl...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/s...

If the shoe fits. One of my favorites is when you claimed an article said Iran was making bomb parts when it didn't come within a light year of a ten foot pool of suggesting that.

That it's ok for Iran to lie and get nuclear weapons because the US did bad stuff?

On some other planet where even Mossad admits Iran wasn't running a nuclear weapons program?

Wow, you're such a friendly moron I can't resist writing back.

If you say so.

Are you seriously trying to say that a pro-choice candidate could ever get the Republican nod for president?

Nice. A subject change AND a straw man all in the same form-of-a-question response. Kudos to you, sir!

I said what I said, not what you said. Are you saying that the Democrats are clamoring for a pro-life candidate? Is this binary litmus test running the country now? Maybe a good question for your favorite Democratic candidate would be "Can you explain the moral difference between the crimes for which Dr. Kermit Gosnell was convicted (first-degree murder of infants shortly after birth at 23-25 weeks into pregnancy) and late-term abortions?"

No wonder the parties have such identical positions on so many other issues. This has got to be the single most asinine way to select a government in the history of mankind - convince a large block of voters to select or reject candidates on the sole basis of a single, decided issue that won't ever move more than minor degrees in one direction or another. You are a HUGE problem with politics today, by promoting this myopic view.

You even see Republican presidential candidates, when asked if they believe in evolution, making a canned reply of "Well, I'm not a scientist"

Hey, fucktard, you ever see Democratic presidential candidates even asked this question, hmmm? Why is that? You can't think your way out of a paper bag, can you? What a fucking idiot you are. Oh, everyone knows the Democrats love science and Republicans are anti-science, right? We'll just put the questions out there to bash our opponents with. Yea, we know 98.65% of all reporters are Democrats, that's a well-known partisan fact, too, right? Am I right?

The Neocons, that trotskyist group that wants eternal war in the middle east

Right. I count Obama among them.

are yet another group that has taken over the republican party.

More demonstration of ignorance from you (not unexpected). Which group has "taken over" and which has not? I've got news for you - the Neocons are into pushing left (they call it "moderate") as much as possible, and want the religious right to just shut up and vote. They are in opposition in the party. I expect a hyperpartisan moron like yourself to be ignorant of the various Republican party factions, but you seem to even be ignorant of factions within your own party. I don't even know why I'm responding, you're so obviously stupid about politics.

If democrats had brough in a foreign speaker to contradict a republican presidents policies, they'd be screaming for the gatling guns to be unleashed upon anyone to the left of the KKK.

I assume you're referring to Netanyahu? Nothing but a made-up controversy. And entirely irrelevant to the rest of your post.

We'll just have to disagree on the extent of the Reigious right's influence.

We "disagree" because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about - that's clear.

I'm saying if you can't pass their litmus tests, you will not be the parties presidential nominee.

The FIRST thing you did in this thread was introduce a litmus test! Wow - how the left can project!

And for a person like myself, who views the political spectrum not as a left-right straight line, I see the further you get from the center, the closer left and right extremists become in actuality, if not rhetoric.

You view it from mainstream Democrat party talking points, and that's about it. Your opinion doesn't really matter in politics these days, because you will pull the lever for the "D" no matter who's name is there. Just like the racist "solid south" Democrats always did, and how all the useless eaters that care more about their free health care than how their children will find jobs, do today.

Yeah - I looked for the paper that won him the Amdocs prize but couldn't find it. All reports seem to be, um, based on this story. Which is where I found he trained the system using two Fffacebook pages:

posts on Hebrew-language Facebook pages that are almost pure opinion, called “superior and condescending people” and “ordinary and sensible people.” The pages are basically forums for people to let off steam about things and events that get them mad, a substitute for actually confronting the offending person. Between them, the two pages have about 150,000 “likes,” and active traffic full of snarky, sarcastic, and sometimes sincere comments on politics, food, drivers, and much more.

“Now, the system can recognize patterns that are either condescending or caring sentiments and can even send a text message to the user if the system thinks the post may be arrogant,” explained Saig.

System Alert - Possible Arrogance Detected - user message issued

[ 328.0081004] Overtones Warning (bug): Optional FUBAR field Gpe1Block has zero address or length: 0x000000000000102C/0x0 (Sarcasm overflow)

So it's a startup pitch - expect optimistic projections of outcomes. It's even possible (would it detect that) it's based on pure supposition - you know, like maybe the opinion of the machine learning program matched a readers take on those Fffacebook pages.

So... you're saying that the Iranian general didn't say that, or...? If the NewsMax site offends your eyes, here is another article. I don't have any particular affinity for Newsmax, but I have a particular disaffinity for liberals who would apparently rather die than discuss an issue rationally, and try to shut down discussions by ad hominem, including calling their opponents racists, ignorant, etc. That really gets my goat.

You're requesting a cite for remedial knowledge of the subject? This is no more obscure than Saddam not having WMD's or Bush ignoring the Taliban's offer to hand over Bin Laddin before he invaded Afghanistan.

• SECRETARY LEON PANETTA: ....I think the pressure of the sanctions, I think the pressure of diplomatic pressures from everywhere -- Europe, United States, elsewhere-- is working to put pressure on them, to make them understand that they cannot continue to do what they're doing. Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.

You seem good at that Hail Hitler thing, you must've had a lot of practice under Putin.

Tell me, one last question, if you're so adamant that people should have the freedom of choice, why are you not protesting Putin's consistent prevention of Chechnya breaking free from Russia as it wants?

What's that? you love suppression of democratic will and civilians? Thought so- at least you're consistent though, you neither want the people of Eastern Ukraine, nor the people of Chechnya to be able to break away from Russia, you just want fascist mother Russia to rule over all.

P.S. That's not a Ukrainian military column masquerading as a medical convoy, it's very clearly a Ukrainian military medical convoy, that's why they have green trucks and red crosses, it's kind of exactly what that means. What is a breach of the Geneva convention though is your far right Hitler loving fascist soldiers in Eastern Ukraine.

I'll give you a hint, there's a reason why Europe's far right parties like Frances National Front, Denmark's Party of Freedom and Hungary's Jobbik party and Putin are best of friends- because like those parties, that are the modern day incarnations of the Nazis, so is Putin, and so are you, because you support the far right with your ideals, so fuck off Nazi, we have enough of your shit in the 30s and 40s, we killed most of you off then and we'll do the same if we have to. There's no room for your Jew hating, nationalistic, homophobic, dictator lovers in Europe.

You see, on one hand, we have the Ukrainian election results:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/f...

(Note the source- do you really think Israel of all countries full of Jews would defend Ukrainian election results if Ukraine actually voted for Nazis? - if Israel doesn't see Nazism in the Ukrainian regime then no one with any sense would) On the other, we have Putin with his favourite neo-Nazi biker gang:

http://ukraineinvestigation.co...

http://climateerinvest.blogspo...

Yet you keep telling yourself there are magical invisible nazis in Ukraine, all the whilst you're supporting not just people who look like nazis, act like nazis, but people who are real actual nazis. You keep telling yourself you're the good guy for supporting Nazis, we'll keep laughing at you and supplying arms so that your nazi friends keep getting shot as they deserve all whilst you sit in a country with an economy that's being driven into the ground by your favoured nazi loving regime.

If you're launching a rocket, exactly how do you "hide behind a civilian'? Seriously, how do you do that?

Not launch missiles from (or store them in) a school or hospital? No other countries military does that.

Or, not launch missiles right next to the hotel where journalists are staying? I don't recall reporters electing Hamas.

You are obviously a propaganda stooge for Hamas. How anyone could live with themselves otherwise backing a group that kills children to build tunnels and fires random rockets at peaceful populations is beyond me. What's an 11-year old going to do with all those virgins anyway?

Yeah right.
If you want a source for how Hamas stuck to the ceasefire agreement: here

The distinction between Hamas and other resistance parties matters or not dependent on what you want. The current policy is -more or less- that Hamas is just a symptom, you have to tackle the complete population. That is what the Dahiya doctrine is about, collective punishment and dedevelopment. If you're interested in a negotiated solution (well, negotiated improvement), and some hardnosed Israelis have really been in support of that option for a long time, Ephraim Halevy for instance, then the distinction matters. Because people like Halevy notice that Hamas is very moderate and organized compared to the other parties and that they are capable of policing the other parties.They may not be moderate in terms of how they see local government, but that is no concern of Israel.

Lets see...first, you're ignoring the Israeli violence that precipitated the bus bombings. Secondly, uniformed Israeli soldiers used those buses for transportation. Using Israeli reasoning, that makes the buses valid military targets (since the IDF bombs anything they claim has anything to do with Hamas) and the Israeli government a bunch of soulless terrorists for using the bus passengers as "human shields".

Israeli violence? This was 1993-4, the peak of the Oslo peace process. There were no violent events in that time. If you are referring to events that had occurred before that, well, by that logic there is no way to ever achieve peace.
Soldiers use public transportation to get from their homes to their bases and back. It works that way everywhere in the world (I've seen it personally in the US). Comparing that to Hamas' strategy of storing rockets under schools and homes is unacceptable.

Lets see...that's a lie. Even Israeli official will tell you that Hamas had, unlike Israel, been observing a cease fire prior to IDF dropping bombs on Gaza. Not only that, Hamas was arresting those who were firing rockets.

When Israel disengaged from Gaza, it did so under a constant barrage of rocket fire which did not stop for any significant period ever since. Picking some specific period where one Palestinian faction fought with another over whether today is a good day to fire rockets or not is irrelevant. The naval blockade was imposed to stop the incoming flow of GRAD rockets to Gaza.

Sorry to inform you, but that's a pile of racist bullshit. Just because the people of Palestine didn't have a flag doesn't mean there hasn't been a place called Palestine or a Palestinian people.

Before the creation of Israel all its residents were referred to as Palestinians. There were Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs. There was never a Palestinian country or a Palestinian people per se and if there was one, well, my Jewish grandmother was Palestinian as well (and to this day holds a British mandate era passport saying "Palestine"). However your definition of Palestinian seems to exclude the Jews. Sounds a little apartheidish to me.

Other than the constant land confiscations for "parks" or "building code violations", to make way for taxpayer-funded apartments for squatters. Oh, and there's that little system of Apartheid, of course: no right to vote, no right to travel on "Jewish roads", no right to intermarry, and so on.

I have no idea what your first sentence referred to (parks? squatters..?).
Palestinians have the right to vote - for their own government.
"Jewish roads" - these were established as part of the Oslo accords in order to prevent Jews from traveling through Palestinian cities, in order to reduce the tension this caused (Arabs don't like seeing Jews and like to stone their cars). In any case these roads are open for all users and there is no checkpoint preventing anyone's entry.
Intermarriage - you're making this up, right? Or do you have a source?

So if the Romans, the Turks, the British or the Egyptians had wiped out the "continuing Jewish presence" in the area, you would have been okay with that because said Jews were under the thumb of another empire and had no flag of their own?

Of course not. I would fight and establish a state, which is exactly what my grandparents did. What have the Arabs achieved over the past century except for slaughtering innocent people, destroying anything they can, and squandering every opportunity for statehood?

Lets see...first, you're ignoring the Israeli violence that precipitated the bus bombings. Secondly, uniformed Israeli soldiers used those buses for transportation. Using Israeli reasoning, that makes the buses valid military targets (since the IDF bombs anything they claim has anything to do with Hamas) and the Israeli government a bunch of soulless terrorists for using the bus passengers as "human shields".

Israeli violence? This was 1993-4, the peak of the Oslo peace process. There were no violent events in that time. If you are referring to events that had occurred before that, well, by that logic there is no way to ever achieve peace.
Soldiers use public transportation to get from their homes to their bases and back. It works that way everywhere in the world (I've seen it personally in the US). Comparing that to Hamas' strategy of storing rockets under schools and homes is unacceptable.

Lets see...that's a lie. Even Israeli official will tell you that Hamas had, unlike Israel, been observing a cease fire prior to IDF dropping bombs on Gaza. Not only that, Hamas was arresting those who were firing rockets.

When Israel disengaged from Gaza, it did so under a constant barrage of rocket fire which did not stop for any significant period ever since. Picking some specific period where one Palestinian faction fought with another over whether today is a good day to fire rockets or not is irrelevant. The naval blockade was imposed to stop the incoming flow of GRAD rockets to Gaza.

Sorry to inform you, but that's a pile of racist bullshit. Just because the people of Palestine didn't have a flag doesn't mean there hasn't been a place called Palestine or a Palestinian people.

Before the creation of Israel all its residents were referred to as Palestinians. There were Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs. There was never a Palestinian country or a Palestinian people per se and if there was one, well, my Jewish grandmother was Palestinian as well (and to this day holds a British mandate era passport saying "Palestine"). However your definition of Palestinian seems to exclude the Jews. Sounds a little apartheidish to me.

Other than the constant land confiscations for "parks" or "building code violations", to make way for taxpayer-funded apartments for squatters. Oh, and there's that little system of Apartheid, of course: no right to vote, no right to travel on "Jewish roads", no right to intermarry, and so on.

I have no idea what your first sentence referred to (parks? squatters..?).
Palestinians have the right to vote - for their own government.
"Jewish roads" - these were established as part of the Oslo accords in order to prevent Jews from traveling through Palestinian cities, in order to reduce the tension this caused (Arabs don't like seeing Jews and like to stone their cars). In any case these roads are open for all users and there is no checkpoint preventing anyone's entry.
Intermarriage - you're making this up, right? Or do you have a source?

So if the Romans, the Turks, the British or the Egyptians had wiped out the "continuing Jewish presence" in the area, you would have been okay with that because said Jews were under the thumb of another empire and had no flag of their own?

Of course not. I would fight and establish a state, which is exactly what my grandparents did. What have the Arabs achieved over the past century except for slaughtering innocent people, destroying anything they can, and squandering every opportunity for statehood?

So your solution is that the Israelis roll over and succumb to Hamas rocket fire and tunnel attacks instead?

No, the solution is to not repeat Bibi's Bullshit Propaganda that is debunked if you bother to check with Israeli officials or media. Not only had Hamas faithfully held to the cease fire since 2012 - despite constant IDF attacks - it was arresting those who had.

because Hamas was also attacking Egyptian soldiers in support of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood's violent resistance to it's overthrow

So now Hamas are also bad people for resisting a violent coup to overthrow an elected government and the resulting, brutal junta? Gotcha.

Gazans have made enemies with both their neighbours with persistent violent action and that's led to their isolation

You left out the Short Skirt while explaining how they were Asking For It. Do you have any posts that aren't sagely repeating western propaganda as if it were fact?

Checkpoints. Well, once upon a time there were no checkpoints and people were free to move about. Then the Arabs started taking advantage of this freedom to enter Israeli cities with explosive belts and blow up buses. Hence the checkpoints.

Lets see...first, you're ignoring the Israeli violence that precipitated the bus bombings. Secondly, uniformed Israeli soldiers used those buses for transportation. Using Israeli reasoning, that makes the buses valid military targets (since the IDF bombs anything they claim has anything to do with Hamas) and the Israeli government a bunch of soulless terrorists for using the bus passengers as "human shields".

Sea/air ports. All was open and free until Hamas started firing rockets at Israel and importing weapons from Iran.

Lets see...that's a lie. Even Israeli official will tell you that Hamas had, unlike Israel, been observing a cease fire prior to IDF dropping bombs on Gaza. Not only that, Hamas was arresting those who were firing rockets.

Continued occupation of their land. Sorry to inform you, but there has never been such a thing as "Palestinian Land"

Sorry to inform you, but that's a pile of racist bullshit. Just because the people of Palestine didn't have a flag doesn't mean there hasn't been a place called Palestine or a Palestinian people.

The Arab cities in the West Bank are under their own civil control, no one is confiscating land from Nablus.

Other than the constant land confiscations for "parks" or "building code violations", to make way for taxpayer-funded apartments for squatters. Oh, and there's that little system of Apartheid, of course: no right to vote, no right to travel on "Jewish roads", no right to intermarry, and so on.

In recent centuries the land (which the Romans named Palestine as a propaganda tactic - perhaps the most successful in history) was under Turkish rule, British mandatory rule, Jordanian and Egyptian military occupation, and today Israeli occupation in the West Bank.

So if the Romans, the Turks, the British or the Egyptians had wiped out the "continuing Jewish presence" in the area, you would have been okay with that because said Jews were under the thumb of another empire and had no flag of their own? Do you guys think through these talking points at all before regurgitating them?

Hamas rules over 100% of Gaza, and Israel isn't occupying or confiscating any of that

Israel utterly dominates the borders of Gaza, travel to and from Gaza, and what goes into or out of Gaza. Remember when they murdered Americans and Turks for bringing the well known terrorist weapons of food, medicine and shoes to the people living in Gaza? Guess what, Slick, that makes it an occupation.

Perhaps you should ask your leaders why, when Israel repeatedly offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank in exchange for peace, they refused, launching more and more horrific terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens.

Big Lies, again. All of Israel's territory grabs in the West Bank and Jerusalem are illegal and always have been. All of them. Despite that, Palestinians were willing to make massive concessions in return for their own state and and end to Apartheid. Israel kept moving the goalposts and taking all the water, though.

Perhaps you should also ask your leaders why, in 1967, w

Checkpoints. Well, once upon a time there were no checkpoints and people were free to move about. Then the Arabs started taking advantage of this freedom to enter Israeli cities with explosive belts and blow up buses. Hence the checkpoints.

Lets see...first, you're ignoring the Israeli violence that precipitated the bus bombings. Secondly, uniformed Israeli soldiers used those buses for transportation. Using Israeli reasoning, that makes the buses valid military targets (since the IDF bombs anything they claim has anything to do with Hamas) and the Israeli government a bunch of soulless terrorists for using the bus passengers as "human shields".

Sea/air ports. All was open and free until Hamas started firing rockets at Israel and importing weapons from Iran.

Lets see...that's a lie. Even Israeli official will tell you that Hamas had, unlike Israel, been observing a cease fire prior to IDF dropping bombs on Gaza. Not only that, Hamas was arresting those who were firing rockets.

Continued occupation of their land. Sorry to inform you, but there has never been such a thing as "Palestinian Land"

Sorry to inform you, but that's a pile of racist bullshit. Just because the people of Palestine didn't have a flag doesn't mean there hasn't been a place called Palestine or a Palestinian people.

The Arab cities in the West Bank are under their own civil control, no one is confiscating land from Nablus.

Other than the constant land confiscations for "parks" or "building code violations", to make way for taxpayer-funded apartments for squatters. Oh, and there's that little system of Apartheid, of course: no right to vote, no right to travel on "Jewish roads", no right to intermarry, and so on.

In recent centuries the land (which the Romans named Palestine as a propaganda tactic - perhaps the most successful in history) was under Turkish rule, British mandatory rule, Jordanian and Egyptian military occupation, and today Israeli occupation in the West Bank.

So if the Romans, the Turks, the British or the Egyptians had wiped out the "continuing Jewish presence" in the area, you would have been okay with that because said Jews were under the thumb of another empire and had no flag of their own? Do you guys think through these talking points at all before regurgitating them?

Hamas rules over 100% of Gaza, and Israel isn't occupying or confiscating any of that

Israel utterly dominates the borders of Gaza, travel to and from Gaza, and what goes into or out of Gaza. Remember when they murdered Americans and Turks for bringing the well known terrorist weapons of food, medicine and shoes to the people living in Gaza? Guess what, Slick, that makes it an occupation.

Perhaps you should ask your leaders why, when Israel repeatedly offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank in exchange for peace, they refused, launching more and more horrific terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens.

Big Lies, again. All of Israel's territory grabs in the West Bank and Jerusalem are illegal and always have been. All of them. Despite that, Palestinians were willing to make massive concessions in return for their own state and and end to Apartheid. Israel kept moving the goalposts and taking all the water, though.

Perhaps you should also ask your leaders why, in 1967, w

It's amazing how Hamas is responsible for where every unguided gunpowder rocket lands (even if they're arresting the people that actually fire them), but Israel has no responsibility for where their precise munitions land. Sure, they can hit a dime on the ground two kilometers away, but it's just too much to expect them not to hit schools and hospitals, sometimes multiple times!

Hamas hadn't fired any rockets since 2012, prior to being struck multiple times by Israel. That's not according to Hamas, but Israeli officials. What was Hamas doing? Arresting groups that did.

And all this in a rampage through Gaza for kidnappings in the West Bank when Israeli authorities knew pretty damned well that the kids were already dead, between the shots heard over a cell phone call to the car being found full of blood and bodies.

You're just another imperialist blaming the victims of imperialism.

Hamas hadn't fired any rockets since 2012, prior to being struck multiple times by Israel. That's not according to Hamas, but Israeli officials. What was Hamas doing? Arresting groups that did.

And all this in a rampage through Gaza for kidnappings in the West Bank when Israeli authorities knew pretty damned well that the kids were already dead, between the shots heard over a cell phone call to the car being found full of blood and bodies.

You're just another imperialist blaming the victims of imperialism.

Orchestrated and systemic Israeli propaganda. None of the violence committed by squatters or the IDF allows Palestinians to try and level entire regions of Israel, but the IDF is entitled to "mow the lawn" in Gaza, even if Hamas was busy arresting groups trying to fire rockets.

I thought you had started keeping your company to those too stupid and racist to see that your eliminationist propaganda falls apart at the merest scrutiny.

You seem to be arguing that Hamas can attack as much as it likes

Hey, racist fool, you're responding to a post that debunked the propaganda point you're trying to use. Not only were those rockets not fired by Hamas, but Hamas were the ones who arrested those who did.

It doesn't matter which faction did the firing, Hamas is the governing authority of Gaza, they are responsible.

Hey, racist fool, does that mean that Tel Aviv should be leveled in the same way as Gaza, because of murders committed by squatters in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and everywhere by the IDF? As the occupying power, Israel would be responsible.

Your argument about scaling Palestinian Arab deaths is nonsense. Who are the "Palestinians"? They are simply the Arabs that live in that area of the Middle East. The Middle East has well over 100,000,000 Arabs living in it. There is no scaling required to count deaths among the Arabs.

Hey, racist fool, by your own reasoning any violence against Jews in the Middle East doesn't count, because far more Jews live in the United States. Which racist, genocidal flag flies over you house, cold fjord?

The storyline put forth goes like so: this all started when Hamas kidnapped three teenagers and then killed them in June. Israel launched a search and rescue mission, and Hamas responded by firing rockets.

But it's all bullshit. The month before the teens were kidnapped, the IDF straight up murdered two Palestinian boys in the street. And the month before that Israel tried to provoke Hamas by murdering one of its members the same night that Hamas and Fatah announced a unity agreement. The day before the kidnapping, Israel murdered a member of Hamas they accused of planning rocket attacks. Despite Israel's repeated violations of it's own cease fire agreement with Hamas, the latter did not respond in kind. Finally, not only had Hamas not fired any rockets since the last time Israel violated a cease fire in 2012, it had helped arrest those who had.

But Bibi found the excuse he needed with the kidnappings of the three teenagers. Despite being pretty damned sure they were all dead - you can hear gunshots over one of the teens cell phones and the car was soon found full of blood and bullet casings - they spent weeks arresting Palestinians and bulldozing homes in Gaza for a kidnapping in the West Bank even after the Palestinian Authority was helping search for the missing teens. And even Israeli outlets admit that rockets were only fired in response to IDF attacks:

At least 16 rockets were fired at Israel Monday morning, most of them hitting open areas in the Eshkol region, the army said. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.

Since then, a thousand Palestinians have died, many of them children, for which the population equivalent would be over 200,000 people getting killed in the U.S. If anyone is defending themselves, it's Hamas defending the people of Gaza from racist Israeli provocation and aggression.

The storyline put forth goes like so: this all started when Hamas kidnapped three teenagers and then killed them in June. Israel launched a search and rescue mission, and Hamas responded by firing rockets.

But it's all bullshit. The month before the teens were kidnapped, the IDF straight up murdered two Palestinian boys in the street. And the month before that Israel tried to provoke Hamas by murdering one of its members the same night that Hamas and Fatah announced a unity agreement. The day before the kidnapping, Israel murdered a member of Hamas they accused of planning rocket attacks. Despite Israel's repeated violations of it's own cease fire agreement with Hamas, the latter did not respond in kind. Finally, not only had Hamas not fired any rockets since the last time Israel violated a cease fire in 2012, it had helped arrest those who had.

But Bibi found the excuse he needed with the kidnappings of the three teenagers. Despite being pretty damned sure they were all dead - you can hear gunshots over one of the teens cell phones and the car was soon found full of blood and bullet casings - they spent weeks arresting Palestinians and bulldozing homes in Gaza for a kidnapping in the West Bank even after the Palestinian Authority was helping search for the missing teens. And even Israeli outlets admit that rockets were only fired in response to IDF attacks:

At least 16 rockets were fired at Israel Monday morning, most of them hitting open areas in the Eshkol region, the army said. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.

Since then, a thousand Palestinians have died, many of them children, for which the population equivalent would be over 200,000 people getting killed in the U.S. If anyone is defending themselves, it's Hamas defending the people of Gaza from racist Israeli provocation and aggression.

You are full of shit. What the fuck has gotten into Slashdot? The numbers show the Israelis to be the aggressors. You'd think that, having lived through a genocide, they wouldn't attempt to do the same to another people.

2008 cease-fire. Look at the number of rocket and mortar *launches*. The cease-fire was honored by the Palestinians. Israel went over the border and killed 6 Hamas members, violating the cease-fire.

On 4 November 2008, the IDF made an incursion at least 250 meters into the Gaza Strip searching for a tunnel, claiming it was intended for the capture of Israeli soldiers and that it intended to continue with the truce, calling the raid a "pinpoint operation".[33] Hamas and, according to an allegation by Dr. Robert Pastor, one IDF source maintained that it was for defensive purposes.[34] As six Hamas fighters were killed,[4][35] Hamas stated that the attack was a "massive breach of the truce".[36]

This year, the Israeli president announces that they can never relinquish control of the West Bank. Meaning they will not accept a sovereign Palestinian state.

"I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan."

Just a week ago, the UN called out Israel for using Palestinian children as a human shield, torturing them, putting them in solitary confinement, and threatening sexual abuse. Their foreign minister said, "Israel must go all the way."

What the fuck are you people smoking? This is a genocide in motion. The US government wholeheartedly, 100%, with NO dissent supports it, when only 87% of the Israelis themselves support it. The House of Reps even called the attacks "unprovoked". I mean, seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?

For the record, I don't support either side shooting at each other, but it's not hard to see that this is some seriously fucked up shit on Israel's part. No person or group should engage in genocide and war crimes. Right now, Israel is doing 99% of the committing war crimes. That may have been different in the past, and it may change in the future, but it is NO EXCUSE.

That "handful of pesky terrorists" happen to be the elected Palestinian government. This is what happens when people elect terror organizations as their representatives...

More like....lies repeated by those who are useful fools at best and racists at worst. The storyline put forth goes like so: this all started when Hamas kidnapped three teenagers and then killed them in June. Israel launched a search and rescue mission, and Hamas responded by firing rockets.

But it's all bullshit. The month before the teens were kidnapped, the IDF straight up murdered two Palestinian boys in the street. And the month before that Israel tried to provoke Hamas by murdering one of its members the same night that Hamas and Fatah announced a unity agreement. Despite Israel's repeated violations of it's own cease fire agreement with Hamas, no rockets were fired.

But Bibi found the excuse he needed with the kidnappings of the three teenagers. Despite being pretty damned sure they were all dead - you can hear gunshots over one of the teens cell phones and the car was soon found full of blood and bullet casings - they spent weeks arresting Palestinians and bulldozing homes in Gaza for a kidnapping in the West Bank even after the Palestinian Authority was helping search for the missing teens. And even Israeli outlets admit that rockets were only fired in response to IDF attacks:

1. At least 16 rockets were fired at Israel Monday morning, most of them hitting open areas in the Eshkol region, the army said. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.

Since then, a thousand Palestinians have died, many of them children, for which the population equivalent would be over 200,000 people getting killed in the U.S. On the Israeli side, almost all of the ~35 deaths have been soldiers, with only three civilians dying, and only one via rocket. Scale and proportion? Get some.

This morning we learn a UN operated school has been used to conceal Hamas missiles in Gaza.

"We're SOOOOOOO sorry ............... We didn't know!!!"

"We'll ``investigate`` that right away!"

.... and cover up all the other cases we find.

The UN is the single most effective tyranny enabler on Earth. Millions of victims live under third world dictators and theocrats propped up by the UN.

The highly selective criticism of the US by the UN has no credibility with me.

I also don't think Erdogan is an extremist ... but he certainly has very strong Muslim leanings. Much more than any Turkish leader in the past 100 years would dare exhibit.

*If* you'd like to learn how Erdogan is NOT a secularist:

Erdogan’s Turkey: Less nationalism, more Islam

or just Google "erdogan islam".

Stuxnet was delivered to Iran by slipping it onto the equipment of the Russian contractors building the nuclear plant.

Gauss was discovered in Lebanon and appears to have been built with the same toolkit, not reverse-engineered, suggesting the Israelis were responsible for its release. The other known variant, Flame, is also not found anywhere near Russia, and was also cut from the same cloth and targeted at Iran.

And, moreover, Kaspersky said it was Stuxnet, with (I'm pretty sure but don't have the time to watch the whole video) implications that it may've come by accident from an attack targeted at a Russian nuclear plant.

So... still pretty unlikely the ISS has any vulnerable systems.

Our government is out of control and it won't be easy to stop now that things are so far in motion.

I think we've actually had a velvet coup by the Executive branch. For example, waging war with Libya without Congressional authorization was an usurpation of the power to make war. It looks like Syria isn't going to happen, but a few days ago after Putin suggested negotiating and the Obama admin said that it would talk, it also said that military strikes are still on the table (1). WTF? The Executive branch does not have the power to engage in such strikes without Congressional authority unless it faces an actual imminent threat to America, and it's stretching credulity beyond breaking to suggest Syria is a threat such that it represents "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces" (2).

Then we throw in all the ways Federal Agencies like the NSA and FBI are ignoring the constitution, and a reasonable conclusion you can draw is that there has been a coup by the Executive branch. It has come on by increments and was enabled by the courts and Congress, but the Constitutional separation of powers has become so weak, and Constitutional protections so riddled with exceptions (thanks to the War on Some Drugs and more recently, PATRIOT Act), that the time is ripe for the Executive to usurp power. And people don't even know or care that it's illegal -- I saw a poll where something like 30% of Americans thought the president should attack Syria without Congressional authorization (3).

We are sliding into a democratic-authoritarian government, one where we elect a new dictator every eight years from a slate of handpicked individuals trained in the art by the GOP or DNC.

(1) http://www.timesofisrael.com/leaving-strike-on-table-kerry-says-syrian-words-on-arms-deal-not-enough/
(2) War Powers Act: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1541 ; Constitution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause
(3) http://www.people-press.org/2013/09/09/opposition-to-syrian-airstrikes-surges/ see section "Majority Says Congress Has Final Authority on Airstrikes"

Malcolm Gladwell. Can you really take seriously, the man who claims that Steve Jobs will be forgotten by history, while Bill Gates will be revered like Pasteur and Oskar Schindler ?

Yeah, he's right on that one, no matter how crazy his other items are. Jobs made a nice music box and good smartphone. Gates revolutionized computing. They are so comparable, I am sure Jobs gets a historic footnote- right next to Bono.