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Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

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Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

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Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

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Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

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Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the USA, travelled widely and examined people of nearly a dozen "native" cultures ranging from the Inuit and Native Americans to the Masai and other East African tribes, inhabitants of New Guinea and Peru, and people living in isolated parts of Switzerland and Scotland. Those peoples all ate traditional diets, of varying composition - some including grain and others not.

Very few of them had any tooth decay or gum disease, and the less grain and sweet foods they ate, the less dental harm they suffered. None of them had ever brushed their teeth, and they didn't need to - except to make their breath sweeter for the sake of others.

Immediately those same people began eating "civilized" foods - mainly white flour products and sugar - their dental health became dreadful within a few years.

https://www.westonaprice.org/h...

On the other hand, we have people who are currently subjecting themselves to be lab rats, testing whether we can survive without meat.

You might want to check out the millions (now hundreds of millions) in India who have done fine without meat from before Christ was born. 30-40% of India is vegetarian and has been for much longer than most long-term tests if you open your eyes.

The only reason people in India can be vegetarian and be healthy about it is because their food is so dirty and infested with insects.

It is true that Hindu vegans living in certain parts of India do not suffer from vitamin B12 deficiency. This has led some to conclude that plant foods do provide this vitamin. This conclusion, however, is erroneous as many small insects, their feces, eggs, larvae and/or residue, are left on the plant foods these people consume, due to non-use of pesticides and inefficient cleaning methods. This is how these people obtain their vitamin B12. This contention is borne out by the fact that when vegan Indian Hindus later migrated to England, they came down with megaloblastic anaemia within a few years. In England, the food supply is cleaner, and insect residues are completely removed from plant foods (16).

Myths of Vegetarianism

Or it's messed up through diet. Like drinking pasteurized milk where all the glutathione is missing.

http://www.westonaprice.org/bl...

Your earlier "misinformed" jab at roman_mir is kind of ironic, because actually it's you who is misinformed.

...varied diet complete with...grains...lean meat etc. keeps me as healthy as possible.

There's plenty of evidence that grains are actually not good for us, that they lead to inflammation in the body, which can in turn lead to all sorts of ailments (Crohn's disease, IBS, arthritis, skin problems). Not to mention refined/processed carbohydrates spike insulin levels and encourage fat storage as opposed to fat-burning. Also, there is nothing wrong with saturated fat (fatty cuts of meat, coconut oil, bacon fat, cheese, butter, etc) or cholesterol. Start here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/526-skinny-on-fats.html

And then pick up a copy of Gary Taubes's "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and Mark Sisson's "The Primal Blueprint." Prepare to have your tree shaken.

Yeah, so if you want to have teeth as lovely as late 20th century brits, follow their lead!

There's a formula for good teeth. It goes something like this:

Calcium + Phosphate + Vitamin D + (misc other vitamins minerals) -> normal teeth

If a child's diet doesn't have enough nutrients, bone structures will not develop properly. Good teeth come from good nutrition and sunlight (Vitamin D), NOT nationality.

See Gerard Judd's work, Dr. Weston A Price's work, etc.

Yeah, so if you want to have teeth as lovely as late 20th century brits, follow their lead!

There's a formula for good teeth. It goes something like this:

Calcium + Phosphate + Vitamin D + (misc other vitamins minerals) -> normal teeth

If a child's diet doesn't have enough nutrients, bone structures will not develop properly. Good teeth come from good nutrition and sunlight (Vitamin D), NOT nationality.

See Gerard Judd's work, Dr. Weston A Price's work, etc

Well first of all, your premise is false: both milk and yogurt are available in typical Japanese grocery stores. Milk is served in the Japanese school lunch program, and milk consumption in Japan has been increasing since WWII.
http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/18596/1/wp050401.pdf
http://www.westonaprice.org/Inside-Japan-Surprising-Facts-About-Japanese-Foodways.html

The trend there is increased social and culinary westernization, not a biological shift.

Hmm , I find it implausable that millions of people in one part of the world would completely ignore a very nutritious and readily available form of food for millenia simply out of culinary preference.

Really? In the US, insect and reptile consumption is virtually nonexistent, fish is a very small percentage of our diet (even on the coasts), and about the only eggs we eat are chicken eggs. We're one of the few western nations that don't consume blood, which is extremely nutritious, nor do we eat organ meat, aside from the occasional liver. Despite the availability of a wide range of vegetables, corn and potatoes dominate consumption patterns. I'm pretty sure spinach intolerance isn't to blame.

Agave syrup is just as heavily processed as HFCS. It's also got a higher fructose content than HFCS. Agave syrup is worse than HFCS.

Agave nectar is worse than HFCS. It has a lower glycemic index because it has a higher fructose content. The fructose is converted to bad fats directly by the liver, so there is less of a blood sugar spike, but the triglycerides created in this process is worse than a blood sugar spike.

http://www.westonaprice.org/Agave-Nectar-Worse-Than-We-Thought.html

Yeah, I've looked at my local Whole Foods for HFCS. It's in many of their salad dressings and barbecue sauces they carry. Although to be fair, there are more trace amounts of HFCS, they don't carry things like HFCS-sweetened bread. However, they do stock and sell agave nectar syrup (and market it fairly aggressively as end-cap displays) and agave nectar syrup is even worse than HFCS.

And the US government condoned not giving blacks treatment for syphilis even though it was readily available and known to work, as well as testing vaccines and seeing how Hepatitis-C infections progressed in on mentally retarded children, sterilized them, locked up its Japanese citizens in concentration camps during and after WWII, allowed state-sponsored racism at least until 1964, and is currently feeding Illinois state prisoners a diet that is known to cause organ failure
Isn't this a href= thing fun? I can go on all day. I am, however, saddened, that you call this "some mistakes".

Likely because all the antiseptics killed the normal "good bacteria" in your mouth. Very much like our skin and intestines, there are bacteria which is supposed to be there.

If you want to find out more about teeth vs general health. Look up Weston Price's (a dentist) world-wide research for an eye-opener about dental (and general) health:
http://www.westonaprice.org/Nutrition-and-Physical-Degeneration-by-Weston-A.-Price.html

It's because they read site like this:

http://www.westonaprice.org/Autism-and-Vaccinations.html

I have a couple of friends who are adamant about this stuff. Btw, any help knocking points on that website would be nice.

But one must also note that some things actually were better on older times. When you ordered a pizza, you knew it would be baked for you with love and it would be delicious to eat. Now someone justs sends me a pizza gift on Facebook. Thanks for the mockery, I say.

Yep, the rise of industrial food production and processing, which not only was less personal, it also reduced food quality. Weston A Price Foundation has a lot of article on it's problems, like this one: http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/dirty-secrets.html

I'm again at work.. I can't go through and put together a nice long response like you have. But when I said I've done research, I wasn't lying. Let me share just a few links I can find--this is by no means the sum total but it's the ones I can share now. Please open your mind to an alternate--side effects of statins can be terrible, and often they are completely unnecessary outside of rare genetic disorders affecting cholesterol.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/21/900-Studies-Show-Statin-Drugs-are-Dangerous.aspx

Some of his references from all parts of the spectrum of medical journals and research facilities: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/07/21/statin-drugs-ref.aspx

One that contains a diagram of production and explains a lot about the function of it in the body:
http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html

But I encourage everyone to check things out for themselves--just do some searches on statin studies, side effects, and even alternate solutions to lifestyle-inflicted cholesterol problems. My mother is now off the statins (as well as sugar and grains) and she has improved so dramatically over the past 6 months, it's like she's a new person. The muscle pain, chronic fatigue, and constantly forgetting things that plagued her since she started taking them have just evaporated--and her cholesterol is on its way to healthier levels. The quality of life increased after she stopped taking them, and that doesn't appear to be an anomaly as the personal testimonies go. As a doctor, you don't want to hear it, but people should take charge of their own health and well-being and research anything they are going to put in their own bodies. Get information from a variety of sources, and watch where each research facility gets their money too--a study funded by the very company who manufactures the drugs and stands to gain or lose billions of dollars isn't exactly going to be objective, now is it?

Diet with Some Meat Uses Less Land than Vegetarian Diets - http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/534100

Myth #1: Meat consumption contributes to famine and depletes the Earth's natural resources. - http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html#1

Animal farming is an efficient use of land - http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#link1

And you'd be arguing the same thing if scientologists funded a study (with real scientists even - hired from the smoking companies no doubt) proving vaccinations were harmful? Somehow I doubt it. Questionable sources only seem to be an issue when they're on the wrong side of the fence.

Personally, I've only recently started looking into the issue and I have yet to find a site that addresses the specific criticisms and claims anti-vaccers talk about. My doctor wasn't even aware of the arguments being made by anti-vaccers, even though she is very pro-vacc and very concerned about the trend away from vaccinations. I'm still investigating; I'm not yet convinced that 9 vaccinations are desirable for an 8 week old baby.

If anybody can point me to sources that thoroughly address the specific claims described below, I'd appreciate.

A good overview of the various arguments anti-vaccers are making:
http://westonaprice.org/children/vaccinations.html

"Oh stop it. 90% of food at the grocery store does not have high-fructose corn syrup in it."

Assuming a grocery store is a supermarket and not a greegrocer's, then you are wrong.

I apologise for the payment gate, but there's an hour long lecture on corn in the US food system available here:
http://www.alternativeradio.org/programs/POLM001.shtml

Amongst other things, the speaker details the scientific testing done trying to find processed food with no corn in it. USians should listen to this talk.

If you're referring to a real greengrocer, then you need to check the availability and price of these stores and goods compared with processed foods. I don't think most people can afford a fresh fruit-and-veg diet in the US, or so I've been told.

As for the liver, apparently every cell in the body can metabolize glucose. However, all fructose must be metabolized in the liver. The livers of rats on high fructose diet look like the livers of alcoholics, plugged with fat and cirrhotic. (from http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup.html)

This is probably what the previous poster was referring to.

A tarrif is not the same as a subsidy. However, they have roughly the same effect. Ignoring tarrifs, it remains true that the corn industry, and the oil industry upon which it depends so heavily, are both subsidised by the US taxpayer.

Between 1995 and 2003, federal corn subsidies totaled $37.3 billion. Ethanol makes this even worse.

http://www.slate.com/id/2122961/

There are very big problems with corn in the USA and you should do your own homework; it took me 5 mins to glue some links together.

Oh, and read "fast food nation".

....do you know how many people died from food poisoning....

Do you know how many thousands of years people have lived on milk and other natural unadulterated foods? Even today, how many rural people in other lands keep milking and meat animals and DON'T get sick from eating natural unprocessed foods?

In mass production, it IS necessary to sterilize milk and other foods simply because the cleanliness and care required costs a lot. As soon as any mass food processor cuts corners to get a leg up on their competition, the incidence of such poisonings goes up. Since the government can't be on everybody's tail 100% of the time, they make blanket rules that work reasonably well, but at the cost of a product that is not what nature intended.

Much of the manufactured oils, starches and sugar have many, if not most essential trace nutrients refined out of them. Whole wheat flour doesn't keep on the shelf the way white refined flour does. White sugar doesn't contain any of the nutrients that nature put in the sugar cane. Notice the difference in cost of cheap, colored waffle syrup and real maple syrup.

If you really want to learn a little about natural nutrition, you can start here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

....People didn't have less medical problems back then....

That's not true across the board. A hundred or more years ago more died from infections, but the many degenerative diseases that kill most people today did not exist. Obesity was not such a problem as today, with its attendant medical problems.

There is a direct correlation of the rise of these degenerative ailments with the rise of consumption of highly processed factory foods.

If you are interested in good nutrition here is a place to begin:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

You have to take your health into your own hands. The medical establishment or the government will not do this for you.

.......but eventually you reach the upper limit of how long a human being can live........

It isn't so much how long people live, but how healthy they are at any given age on average.

In the early part of last century, a dentist named Weston A. Price wanted to find out more about dental health. He knew that in some parts of the world tooth decay and other common dental problems found in industrialized nations did not plague certain isolated people groups in widely scattered parts of the world. He visited these out of the way, "backward" places and studied the life style and diet of those who lived there. You can find out as much or more about what he learned here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

It seems that our modern factory foods are the biggest contributor to the many degenerative ailments affecting children, grown up adults and the elderly. Environmental factors also are involved. Maybe better living through chemistry isn't at all better, but rather bad all around.

People who eat a high protein and fat diet, may lose weight or stay the same weight, but it isn't because you get free calories. It's because the body can't keep muscles on without sufficient protein, and nearly all of the protein ends up being broken down to make up for the fuel that isn't being absorbed from carbohydrates.

The net result is an individual that has substantially lower muscle mass and substantially larger fat deposits for their weight.

Even when people do gain more weight as a result of a high carbohydrate diet, it isn't because carbs are dangerous or bad, its because the spiking of the blood glucose levels tends to make people feel hungrier when the subsequent drop occurs than they would otherwise be.

Carbs also are frequently found with things like water and fiber, and if one gets those two components along with the carbs, the likelihood of seeing an increased hunger is much less likely than if one is eating sugar for food.

I'm sure we can also blame the lifestyle of convenience. Wasn't it the US that spawned this abominable creation known as fast food? Fry everything because it's cheap and quick. I'm only twenty something, but I remember hearing my mother chide me when I would 'super size' something... She would tell the story that in her day a regular adults meal was about the size of a kids meal. Why did it change? Possibly because we're such a consumerist society that if we don't literally see more value for our dollar, we wouldn't buy something. So the chains had to reciprocate? Or because the competing chains needed to give you more value and the American never really protested to having a bigger burger on their bun ("Where's the beef?!)...

Wow, if you do a search for the doctor the OP cited you will learns lots about the fats we eat. Plus I did him say Fully Hydrogenated fats just Hydrogenated. Plus if you take an unsaturated fat and chemically hydrate it to some other form, that by definition IS a trans fat.

Here is a link to an article by Doctor Enig.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html#fatty

Cholesterol doesn't clog your arteries unless you are suffering from inflammation (most of us are) and low carb diets have been know to normalize weight since at least the mid-19th century. William Banting published a book about this way back then. William Banting
Check out the Weston Price Foundation for tons of material on these subjects. Weston Price Foundation

Cholesterol doesn't clog your arteries unless you are suffering from inflammation (most of us are) and low carb diets have been know to normalize weight since at least the mid-19th century. William Banting published a book about this way back then. William Banting
Check out the Weston Price Foundation for tons of material on these subjects. Weston Price Foundation

Agriculture is probably humanity's most powerful invention, and why hasn't it turned on us to kill us? Because we control it? Or is it simply because it helps us and that is what it's primary purpose is?

Unfortunately, it seems to have partially backfired in the last century both in dietary and land use terms.

No sooner would your spreadsheet application spontaneously become a 3D game engine than an intelligence designed for help spontaneously become a harmful entity.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Louis D. Brandeis

Intelligence is not wisdom. Perhaps an exponentially higher intelligence might consistently find wisdom, but for now the two seem to be orthogonal.

Perhaps the best argument for the singularity is that we're apparently screwed without it, so better to jump into the unknown than stay on our apparently screwage-bound course.

Dental Carries didn't become common until man started farming cereal grains. As you guessed, cavities became even more common with the introduction of cheap sugar. You may enjoy this article about primitive diets. http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/nast y_brutish_short.html

Not just sugar, but high fructose corn syrup. Plain old sugar actually wouldn't be nearly as bad for you.

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html

from the article...
"Until the 1970s most of the sugar we ate came from sucrose derived from sugar beets or sugar cane. Then sugar from corn--corn syrup, fructose, dextrose, dextrine and especially high fructose corn syrup (HFCS)--began to gain popularity as a sweetener because it was much less expensive to produce. High fructose corn syrup can be manipulated to contain equal amounts of fructose and glucose, or up to 80 percent fructose and 20 percent glucose.2 Thus, with almost twice the fructose, HFCS delivers a double danger compared to sugar."

and

"However, research on other hormonal factors suggests that fructose actually promotes disease more readily than glucose. Glucose is metabolized in every cell in the body but all fructose must be metabolized in the liver."

"Vegetable oil" is a synonym for "heavily processed, hydrogenated oil which will kill you but makes good financial sense to the corporatised US food production industry"

It is poisonous bloody stuff. If you want to know why America (in particular) and western nations (in general) are all suffering out of control obesity and diabetes epidemics you need to look no further than the replacement of natural oils (peanut, coconut and butter), with so-called "healthy" polyunsaturates. Countries like India uses huge amounts of butter (ghee) and coconut oil and you don't see them with rampaging blood sugar levels, heart disease and all of the other side effects of eating crap like "Crisco" and margarines.

Ask yourself why these types of oils never spoil? If you leave margarine out of the refridgerator for a week, does it go off? Why? It doesn't go off because it is not bio-degradeable. If it is not biodegradable, then how is your body meant to metabolise it? Of course it can't, so what it does is "put it aside" and get on with the job of digesting everything else. After sufficient time of course your body will have put enough fat aside that you become fat. Fat builds up around the pancreas and voila, you've got diabetes.

So why do we eat this crap? Because US food interests want you to. The problem for US business interests is that most natural oils such as peanut, olive and coconut/palm oil are not produced in the US. The US does produce gobs of corn and soy however, not to mention that canola rubbish. The problem is that these crops do not produce much edible oil naturally, it has to be processed out of them. Another problem is that the resulting oils are quite unstable, meaning they react to oxygen (oxidize) quickly and spoil. This is a problem for the manufacturing, distribution and retail industries however, who really like long shelf lives and cheap storage (non-refrigerated). So what the industry does is to hydrogenate their oils, which means superheating the oil and passing it through hydrogen to fuse hydrogen molecules to the receptors that would normally fuse with the oxygen. This makes for an oil that is extremely stable but an unfortunate side effect is that it also becomes virtually undigestable. Sure you can eat it and you won't turn blue and die in a week, but then the same can be said for smoking too. Remember how corporate interests insisted that smoking couldn't hurt you until only a few years ago? Well the edible oil industry is no better than those criminals. They too use bogus science and massive amounts of money to produce a steady stream of lies and bullshit regarding the health benefits of eating processed vegetable oils. This began during the thirties and over time it has worked so well that the US is now the most overweight and unhealthy nation on earth, with other western nations scrambling to follow suit.

Now they want to stick that crap in chocolate. It's getting to the point that you wont be able to buy anything that isn't filled with this rubbish.

Essential reading:

The Oiling of America
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/oiling.ht ml

Other good sites;
http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/news/ng.asp?id=73 471-trans-fat-interesterified-fat-cvd

http://www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays5-1/ve goil.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/DiabetesDece ption.html
http://www.jctonic.com/include/healingcrisis/12Hyd rogenatedoil.htm

In the summer of 1933, [we made] contact with large bands of Indians who had come out of the Pelly mountain country to exchange their furs at the last outpost of the Hudson Bay Company...they have remained as nomadic wandering tribes following the moose and caribou herds in the necessary search to obtain foods.

The rigorous winters reach seventy degrees below zero. This precludes the possibility of maintaining dairy animals or growing seed cereals or fruits. The diet of these indians is almost entirely limited to the wild animals of the chase. This made a study of them exceedingly important. The wisdom of these people regarding Nature's laws and their skill in adapting themselves to the rigorous climate and very limited variety of foods, and these often very hard to obtain, have developed a skill in the art of living comfortably with rugged Nature that has been approached by few other tribes in the world. The sense of honor among these tribes is so strong that practically all cabins, temporarily unoccupied due to the absence of the Indians on their hunting trip, were entirely unprotected by locks; and the valuables belonging to the Indians were left in plain sight...

The condition of the teeth, and the shape of the dental arches and the facial form, were superb. Indeed, in several groups examined not a single tooth was found that had ever been attacked by tooth decay.... Careful inquiry regarding the presence of arthritis was made in the more isolated groups. We neithersaw nor heard of a case in the isolated groups. However, at the point of contact with the foods of modern civilization many cases were found including ten bed-ridden cripples in a series of about twenty Indian homes. Some other affections made their appearance here, particularly tuberculosis which was taking a very severe toll fo the children who ahd been born at this center.... The suffering from tooth decay was tragic. There were no dentists, no doctors available within hundreds of miles to relieve suffering.

The physiques of the Indians of the far north who are still living in their isolated locations and in accordance with their accumulated wisdom were superb. There were practically no irregular teeth including no impacted thrid molars, as evidenced by the fac tthat all individuals old enough to have the molars erupted had them standing in position and functioning normally for mastication.... Where the indians were using the white man's food tooth decay was very severe.... In the new generation, after meeting the white civilization and using his foods, many developed crooked teeth, so called, with deformed dental arches.

Weston Price, DDS /Nutrition and Physical Degeneration/

-from Nourishing Traditions, pg 320-321

I like your proposition, as I'm moving towards becoming more self-sufficient myself.

Another idea is families having their own milking cow. Cows are one of the most efficient means of converting sunlight into protein-rich food usable by humans. They can graze on rocky slopes where tractors can't operate (that is, where you can't grow corn/wheat/etc very well), and require little maintenance. Whereas chickens and pigs require supplemental feeds, cows can subsist entirely on grass and weeds.

See Keeping a Family Cow. The Untold Story of Milk looks interesting too (currently reading the introduction).

In most cases, you are correct, and if I put your quote back in context of your comment, you are correct. However, there are still some circumstances where meat wins, such as on very steep hillsides, etc. where the animals are able to feed themselves through grazing on land unsuitable for growing grain.

I'm glad someone raised this - I was about to make the point myself. The world has far more pastoral land than arable land. There is also the small issue that COW ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO EAT GRAINS! Cows are ruminants, designed to eat grass. Feeding them grains makes them sick and makes the quality of the meat worse, which renders the exercise at best pointless.

Off-topic bit follows :)

I'm not fond of the Atkins diet, despite eating a diet myself that often could pass as a valid Atkins (I don't specifically restrict my carbohydrate intake, but it often ends up low anyway as sugary/starchy foods don't agree with me). Atkins turns people into mindless carb-counters, with no concept of what or how much they should be eating, besides getting a single variable below a certain value. For an interesting look at the composition of a natural diet in line with my opinions above, look at this article on native Americans: Guts and Grease: The Diet of Native Americans

Vaccinations have also been suspected as a cause for the increase in Autism. I would be curious to know about any correlation between economic standards (cable TV) and health care (child vaccinations).

I understand that for many people vaccinations are thought to be beyond question but when I listen to professionals who suspect vaccinations as a cause of autism I find they make a compelling argument. Some of my agreement comes from experiences I had being physically ill myself.

I was once treated with antibiotics for several years continuously(for Lyme disease that went undiagnosed for 2 years). I was surprised to learn what a stressed immune system can do to cognition. I would have cyclic herxheimer reactions that lasted for weeks. During those weeks I had many times where people could speak to me and I could see their lips moving but not be able to "unscramble" what they were saying. Dyslexic reversals were common. I could drive through red lights, not recognize old friends, lose all sense of time. I was seriously out-of-synch with what anyone would consider "normal perception"

Now I was 25 when all this hit me (and lasted for 5 years). If I had been a child I am sure I would have been developmentally disabled.

I think many people have a discrete and mechanical view of the immune system. As if all that activity takes place separate from the mind. I can tell you an immune system under stress/off-balance can cause powerful changes in cognition etc.

One aspect of the recent rise in autism cases is the rise in "regressive autism" - the manifestations of which some professional have linked to vaccines.
The segment of children with "regressive autism," the form where children develop normally for a period of time then lose skills and sink into autism, most commonly at 18-24 months of age, is increasing at a phenomenal rate. I am seeing several children in the same family affected, including in the last week four cases of "autistic regression" developing in four-year-old children after their MMR and DPT vaccination. In the past, this was unheard of."

This testimony was given by Mary Megson, MD on April 6, 2000 at Senate hearings on autism and vaccinations.

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/autism. html

Here is a good place to start. I think her contention that a soybean conspiracy at the CSPI is at the "heart" of this is bunk, her charges of revisionism stick. The food police seem to be becoming an infallable religion. Rather than say we were wrong given the research at the time, but now we are changing, they stick with blaming the corporations, but as of 1988, CSPI was running flack for trans fats.

Health advocates brought intense pressure against the fast food industry for its heavy use of beef fat, particularly for deep frying. Since beef fat is high in saturated fats the accepted knowledge implicated it in killing tens of thousands of Americans every year.

Responding to this pressure the fast food industry decided to move to vegetable oils but quickly found them unusable. Beef fat is very durable at high temperatures and resistant to rancidity. A fry tank of beef fat will work for many days. Vegetable oils, especially the lower cost ones high in polyunsaturates, degraded quickly at high temperatures and rapidly became rancid and laden with toxins. You'd have to change the oil on practically a daily basis - very expensive.

The fast food solution is to use partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, in other words, the evil trans fats. These are so resistant to heat breakdown and rancidity a tank of fry oil can be run for as much as 40 days (with topping up) before it must be discarded.

Food processors favor trans fats for similar reasons. They provide baked goods and other products with an attractive texture, and they resist rancidity resulting in a long shelf life for the products, and you can claim "0 saturated fats" on the label (O1).

Unfortunately for both industries, the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) is issuing new rules requiring trans fats be included in labeling and in nutritional information sheets. The industries must be in compliance by 1 Jan 2006, which is causing a scramble to find alternatives.

Leading the charge away from trans fats are the vegetable shortening manufacturers. Crisco in particular has come up with a formula using fully hydrogenated oils (hard as a hockey puck) whipped up with enough unhydrogenated oils to achieve an acceptable texture while maintaining a level of trans fats they are allowed to call "zero".

Of course fully hydrogenated oils are in actuality saturated fats, the very thing vegetable shortening was supposed to get you away from. Do not expect a big health campaign against these saturated fats because they are made from the very vegetable oils the grain traders are promoting in their "heart healthy" advertising to replace saturated fats with.

Well, not really. Check this article:

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html

The 'high-fructose' part is really important because it seems that fructose leads to a deficiciency in your ability to metabolize copper. That's bad.

And it's *everywhere*. Check out this:

http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php/2005/0 6/09/foods_and_products_containing_high_fruct

and this:

http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php/2005/1 2/20/high_fructose_corn_syrup_and_fast_foods

Aspartame- http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.h tml Carrageenan- claimed to inhibit absorption of certain minerals (e.g. potassium), and to induce gastro-intestinal discomfort in some people (wikipedia) Polydextrose- it is recommended by some experts that it not be given to children [1]. Despite these warnings, Polydextrose is a key ingredient in many popular children's cereals such as Fruity Pebbles. Soy Lecithin- http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html (just read the article) High Fructose Corn Syrup (big one!!!)- http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup. html http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html And these are just the ones we digest on a daily basis! 1. http://www.healthyeatingadvisor.com/Healthy_Eating _Tips_-healthy-eating-tips-ezine-9.html and go read this just for fun :) http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/cc20 04wi.html Well.. for my single self i submit to the world of fruits, veggies, and lots of fish! mmmm fresh sushi!!! But the great thing about our bodies.. we can deal with these toxins.. the bad thing is can we deal with HOW our bodies decide to deal with it after 50+ years of exposure.

Aspartame- http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.h tml Carrageenan- claimed to inhibit absorption of certain minerals (e.g. potassium), and to induce gastro-intestinal discomfort in some people (wikipedia) Polydextrose- it is recommended by some experts that it not be given to children [1]. Despite these warnings, Polydextrose is a key ingredient in many popular children's cereals such as Fruity Pebbles. Soy Lecithin- http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html (just read the article) High Fructose Corn Syrup (big one!!!)- http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup. html http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html And these are just the ones we digest on a daily basis! 1. http://www.healthyeatingadvisor.com/Healthy_Eating _Tips_-healthy-eating-tips-ezine-9.html and go read this just for fun :) http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/cc20 04wi.html Well.. for my single self i submit to the world of fruits, veggies, and lots of fish! mmmm fresh sushi!!! But the great thing about our bodies.. we can deal with these toxins.. the bad thing is can we deal with HOW our bodies decide to deal with it after 50+ years of exposure.

Aspartame- http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.h tml Carrageenan- claimed to inhibit absorption of certain minerals (e.g. potassium), and to induce gastro-intestinal discomfort in some people (wikipedia) Polydextrose- it is recommended by some experts that it not be given to children [1]. Despite these warnings, Polydextrose is a key ingredient in many popular children's cereals such as Fruity Pebbles. Soy Lecithin- http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html (just read the article) High Fructose Corn Syrup (big one!!!)- http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup. html http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html And these are just the ones we digest on a daily basis! 1. http://www.healthyeatingadvisor.com/Healthy_Eating _Tips_-healthy-eating-tips-ezine-9.html and go read this just for fun :) http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/cc20 04wi.html Well.. for my single self i submit to the world of fruits, veggies, and lots of fish! mmmm fresh sushi!!! But the great thing about our bodies.. we can deal with these toxins.. the bad thing is can we deal with HOW our bodies decide to deal with it after 50+ years of exposure.

Aspartame- http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.h tml Carrageenan- claimed to inhibit absorption of certain minerals (e.g. potassium), and to induce gastro-intestinal discomfort in some people (wikipedia) Polydextrose- it is recommended by some experts that it not be given to children [1]. Despite these warnings, Polydextrose is a key ingredient in many popular children's cereals such as Fruity Pebbles. Soy Lecithin- http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html (just read the article) High Fructose Corn Syrup (big one!!!)- http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup. html http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html And these are just the ones we digest on a daily basis! 1. http://www.healthyeatingadvisor.com/Healthy_Eating _Tips_-healthy-eating-tips-ezine-9.html and go read this just for fun :) http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/cc20 04wi.html Well.. for my single self i submit to the world of fruits, veggies, and lots of fish! mmmm fresh sushi!!! But the great thing about our bodies.. we can deal with these toxins.. the bad thing is can we deal with HOW our bodies decide to deal with it after 50+ years of exposure.

Aspartame- http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.h tml Carrageenan- claimed to inhibit absorption of certain minerals (e.g. potassium), and to induce gastro-intestinal discomfort in some people (wikipedia) Polydextrose- it is recommended by some experts that it not be given to children [1]. Despite these warnings, Polydextrose is a key ingredient in many popular children's cereals such as Fruity Pebbles. Soy Lecithin- http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html (just read the article) High Fructose Corn Syrup (big one!!!)- http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup. html http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructos e.html And these are just the ones we digest on a daily basis! 1. http://www.healthyeatingadvisor.com/Healthy_Eating _Tips_-healthy-eating-tips-ezine-9.html and go read this just for fun :) http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/cc20 04wi.html Well.. for my single self i submit to the world of fruits, veggies, and lots of fish! mmmm fresh sushi!!! But the great thing about our bodies.. we can deal with these toxins.. the bad thing is can we deal with HOW our bodies decide to deal with it after 50+ years of exposure.

Now that we have science to repudiate the errors of evolution, we are able to determine that protein rich non-animal foods are far more healthy than protein rich meats.

You surely can't deny that our culture has become more glutonous and obese BECAUSE of processed foods and meats served at fast food restaurants.

the "commonly accepted" mad cow theory states that BSE is transmissable, and the vector of transmission is feeding meat to ruminant (vegetarian) animals.

An "alternate" theory (alternate because only non-mainstream types consider it) is that BSE/et al are environmental diseases. The brits made their own cows mad, by requiring all cows be dosed with Phosmet, an organophosphate pesticide. This pesticide chellated copper ions out of the cow, leading to big problems in the british cow fleet.

The pasture land in Western Canada is copper-deficient, making their cows susceptible to BSE.

British organic beef farmer Mark Purdey figured this out, because he fought to keep the pesticide OFF of his cows.

You bring up some interesting points.

...my vegetarianism doesn't seem to have stopped my brain from developing.

The point isn't that vegetarianism keeps a modern human's brain from developing properly, but that the introduction of animal fats over a long period of time (far longer than a single human life--we're talking about evolution here) to our ancestors' diets helped us develop the brain power we have today.

The body synthesizes the protein from the component amino acids in the diet just fine - or else how in world would a cow grow so much beef from eating grass?

I don't know about you, but I know I don't have four stomachs. Sure, a cow can obviously synthesize lots of protein eating only grass, but I'm not a cow. Neither are you. (If you are, my compliments on your being able to navigate a keyboard with your hooves, as well as your good diction. Well done!) Joking aside, your body wouldn't survive on an all-grass diet.

If you read the second paragraph there in the primate baseline, the diet they ascribe to early primates is strikingly similar to the diet that is promoted to cure America's dietary ills: fruits, veggies, lots of vitamins, low sodium, low fat, low cholesterol.

You're absolutely right, almost. We share something like 97% (maybe even more for some species; I'm not gonna get a link, you get the idea) of our genetic code with our closest primate relatives. Our digestive systems are virtually identical. It follows, then, that we should eat very similar diets, like the one you list, with the exception of the fat/cholesterol issue. Throughout history (and pre-history), the fattiest parts of animals were considered the choicest cuts. Ancient man didn't hunt many animals at certain times of the year, because the animals were too lean. I'm not saying that you should adopt an all-bacon diet or something (as delicious as that would be), but recognize that a large part of the reason that fat/cholesterol has become vilified lately (an extremely short amount of time, evolutionarily speaking) is that people like to fill up the tank, but they don't want to drive the car.

By way of personal anecdote, a few years ago I started to get interested in being healthy, eating well, exercise, etc. After some research, I settled into what I'd call a 'mostly-fruit' diet. That is, the majority of the food I eat (probably around 70%) is raw fruit, vegetables, and some select animal products. Sparing you my personal "Why and how I kick ass" story, suffice it to say that while I was skeptical at first, the results were significant enough for me to continue eating this way. I don't *want* to go back to my old 'modern' diet, the occasional Krispy Kreme or trip to my local Noodle House notwithstanding. :-)

The idea comes (to me, at least) from the work of Dr. Weston A. Price. He went around and studied primitive people's dietary and health lives. That is, human diets that were (for the most part) formed by natural selection. The primitive people studied all had excellent health, attributed to their diets, which were much like the primate diets, except that they ate vastly larger quantities of animal matter. Fruits and vegetables still made up the bulk of their diets, but evolution had taught them to include the animal parts. More information here.

Finally, not to denegrate your belief structure, or any thing, but if you're a vegetarian for ethical reasons, a little food for thougt: Your diet may actually cause MORE animal deaths than a standard omnivore diet, due to the large numbers of animals (mostly weasels and the like, that get sucked into grain threshers, but still) killed in harvesting grain. I can't find the link at the moment, and I've already spent FAR too much time typing this, but I've read that the lowest-impact diet a human can have (i.e. killing the least amount of animals to support it--the most 'in tune with nature', to use some hippy words) is a diet of organic fruits and vegetables, supplemented with the meat and milk of free range ruminants. Sound familiar?

The GI measures glucose levels in the blood since insulin used by cells to stuff glucose through their cell membranes. The problems from diabetes come when glucose gets stuck in cell memberanes and becomes sorbitol. Fructose, however, is metabolized differently and has different effects on the body. Most fructose isn't converted to glucose, which is why fructose has a very low GI.

You can read more about how fructose is metabolized in the body and its potential negative effects here and here.

Corrected Link:

Fructose facts. It seems that people who eat fructose should be careful that they get enough copper.