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I'd be willing to bet that Adobe Final Cut was purchased with US taxpayer money. The CIA don't even worry about open source or price when they're underwritten by the biggest bunch of suckers the world has ever known. http://whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Last I looked it seems like the republicans are the ones stealing the elections.

Which exactly why the U.S. should say "fuck israel." We should cut all funding and aid to that area and let the israeli and the palestinians kill each other. I've got nothing against most Jews, hell, even some of my Jewish friends think israel is out of control.

Personally I've often wondered why we still support a nation with a history of assassination Gerald Bull, spying against friends, out right acts of war against same friends USS Liberty.

I give up. You've found a news source less reliable than Judy Miller.

Don't give up buddy. Strive for an open mind. You picked out one detail, pronounce a verdict based on a preconception, then generalize to the conclusion that the whole source is unreliable. Why not try for a while what I suggest: turn to independent news sources and carefully make up your own mind. Pretty soon, you will find out that http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ is a rather more reliable news source than anything the corporate media have on offer.

Ask yourself, where did I get my preconception from? It was a story in some corporate news outlet, was it not?

People are getting wise and no longer expect corporate/government news sources to provide them with anything close to the truth. More and more, they are turning to various independent Internet news sources, and make up their own minds about what is credible, and what is not.

News sources such as these: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

I give up. You've found a news source less reliable than Judy Miller.

People are getting wise and no longer expect corporate/government news sources to provide them with anything close to the truth. More and more, they are turning to various independent Internet news sources, and make up their own minds about what is credible, and what is not.

News sources such as these: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ http://www.opednews.com/ http://www.electricpolitics.com/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

Speaking of which, how is it they found Saddam Hussein in a couple of months but they can't find Osama seven years later?

TWA 800

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.html

I was listening to a live radio broadcast when a caller reported seeing something come up from the horizon and hit the plane. This was less than two hours into the situation. Long before conspiracy mongers were able to get to him.

Yes, this was discussed in an earlier Slashdot story, " RIAA Argues That MP3s From CDs Are Unauthorized", and in a bunch of other places:

* Boing Boing p2pnet reddit Heise Online (German) Truemors BlogRunner/Digital Rights Hugh Casey IDG (Polish) Geek News Central CE Pro Gizmodo TechDirt Read/Write Web Thomas Hawk's Digital Connection TDPRI WhatReallyHappened.com Slyck Root.cz (Czech) Craigslist Forums Hard OCP Wired.com Uneasy Silence Overclock.net Wake World SpaceBattles.com Hydrogen Audio BrickFilms.com Hockey Zombie iLounge Zune Scene AllmanBrothersBand.com Golem (German) PC Magazin (German) Tweakers (Dutch) Mackauf (German) Wake Space Kino-eye.com Digital Copyright Canada Northwest Progressive Institute Louisville Music News Frant

Those who want to educate themselves about the corruption can also read The Lie of the Century and one of the many topics on Cooperative Research.

This is on topic considering that the article referenced by the Slashdot story claimed that big search engines are safe for doing domain searches because even the U.S. government cannot get access to Google. It's a minor point considering that the major point is about domain registration, but it is a point.

Why don't they just chain the children up? That is much simpler and far more effective. http://www.unesco.org/courier/2001_06/uk/droits.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/yearoftheslave.html http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/children_in_chains.pdf

The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11.

The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11.

The decision to launch a war against Iran was made before 9/11.

The Patriot Act was written before 9/11.

The government's spying on Americans began before 9/11.

The government knew that terrorists could use planes as weapons -- and had even run its own drills of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, using REAL airplanes -- all before 9/11.

The government heard the 9/11 plans from the hijackers' own mouths before 9/11.

No steel-framed high-rise building had ever collapsed due to fire before 9/11.

The neocons who now run the U.S. government lamented, before 9/11, that they could not institute their plans for global domination without a "new Pearl Harbor".

Did 9/11 really "change everything"? Or was everything we're seeing now planned before 9/11?

Osama is believed to be dead. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Only Elvis knows for sure.

Dateline NBC is best known for its controversial To Catch A Predator series, which uses hidden cameras to tape men who are allegedly seeking to have sex with minors they met online.

Best known for that? I think they are best known for rigging a pickup truck to explode when they crashed it so that it would look good on tv.

Their credibility is a wee bit low.

I'm sure this'll get results. The current executive branch has been pretty respectful of legislative and judicial checks on its power thus far.

I think you'll find that Muslims are far more tolerant that you'd think, and that the stereotype of them being otherwise is the result of Fox and other right wing sycophants supporting the need for a bad guy to keep people scared. It never ceases to amaze me that nobody wonders what Muslims were doing through the decades when the Commies where the bad guys of the day.

Anyways, if you think that Muslims hate Jews "Just Coz", then you may want to consider the fact that the best time in Jewish history (according to most Jewish historians) was actually when Jews lived in a Muslim state. Here's a titbit from the pages of history that also gets skipped in history classes:

http://www.ataa.org/ataa/ref/jewish/jew-history.ht ml

Even under Israel, the vast majority of Jews do not have the ideological freedom they used to. If you are willing to have pre-conceived ideas challenged, perhaps you'll find the following interesting:

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=5006&aid= 19
http://www.notinmyname.org/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/index.cf m
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jews_against_zio nism.html
http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/jewish_anti_zion ism.htm
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=7887&aid= 19

DISCLAIMER: I am a Muslim. I have Jewish friends. Lots of them. Jews and Muslims have lived together for centuries, it is just not true that Muslims and Jews hate each other out of some culturally ingrained ideological perception. It is the nationalist incarnation of the Jewish identity in the militant form known as "Zionism" that Muslims and indeed most Jews oppose. Unfortunately, Zionism seems to have the support of the political right in western countries, which is why it *appears* that Muslims oppose the west. We do not. We oppose the occupation being carried out by Israel, in the same say that we oppose any injustice caused by anybody, including other Muslims.

Another titbit that you won't hear mentioned in school: No real Muslim supports the governments of Saudi Arabia or the other monarchical crackpots currently referred to as "the leaders of the Muslim world". These tinpot dictators were put in power at the end of WWI by the allied powers to secure their interests over middle eastern assets such as the Suez Canal and this new stuff called "oil". This policy of putting puppet regimes is so commonplace I don't understand how people can think that fucktards like the king of Saudi Arabia even remotely represent the attitudes and beliefs of Muslims when they have such an incestuous relationship with with the western neo-nobles like the Bush family.

Holy crap, I really intended for that to be a short post.

It's impossible to bring a building like WTC7 down just like that without damaging neighboring buildings.
The people who do that kind of work are highly paid professionals and they take weeks to months of planning
and preparing. The neighboring buildings next to WTC7 were left intact.

Btw the interesting thing is that now we're discussing how they "pulled" WTC7 when only a couple of weeks
people like you would scoff at the "wild conspiracy theory" that WTC7 was "pulled". I'm sure most people
will take note of that.

Here follow these links and read up on the subject.

http://www.wtc7.net/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

I have no opinion on the authenticity of this photogrpah, but it is clearly very very interesting: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ JFK/postphotos.html

Yet another story that destroys the myth of passengers on flight 93 making calls to say it had been hijacked! Shot out of the air by a national guard f16 is what really happened

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

I am not a conspiracy theorist but, there are quite a few educated people who have done sophisticated modeling of the TWA flight 800 'crash' and believe it was shot down by a shoulder fired missile. The history channel ran a program on it (or discovery maybe?) including several eyewitness accounts that made the theory plausible.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA /twa.html

Surveillance cameras on every street corner, but no real coverage of the goings-on of our government at work, Madame Speaker?

What are you afraid Americans might learn about the proceedings that go on there? - M. R.

• Entered the US into an illegal War in Iraq
• Entered the US into an Illegal war on terror by creating the terror himself
• Managed to destroy the World Trade Center and frame it on the Muslims to the US would enter war after war
• Managed to almost totally destroy the US economically
• Managed to bring Religion into government despite us seperation of church and state, yet blasted the mulsims for doing the same
• Managed to get the US hated by almost every nation, and may even get all nations to hate the US
• Managed to get more US Citizens into poverty than any other president in history
• Managed the highest deficit and highest budget deficit than any other President despite President Clinton haviong the US in a surplus
• Managed to pretty well destroy Social Security so his rich buddies can get richer while the poor get poorer
• Managed to get Iraq into a civil war by removing Saddam illegally.

-FL

"President Bush revealed today there is a shadow government run by people who live outside of Washington in bunkers in case Washington was ever attacked. I thought the shadow government was the one Enron bought with all those contributions." --Jay Leno

"If you're named George W Bush, there's nothing wrong with that. If you tell them that your address is 1600 Penn. Ave in D.C, and and you're not the president, then you're providing fraudulent information."

According to some, you are being completely honest if you do that.

Did you know that under the Ottomans, the Jews were forced to follow Muslim laws and submit to Muslim authorities? Did you know that they also had to pay a special tax just for not being Muslim?.

Yes, under Ottoman rule Muslims were citizens by default, as the Ottoman Empire was non-secular. Non-citizens, as is the case in all modern states too, had to pay tax if they wanted to benefit by living in that country. Today, even visiting, many countries require that the visitor put up a bond while they are there, and pay a fee for the right to visit. As an Australian for example, I have to pay $90AUD for the right to just travel to Brazil. Under Ottoman rule, with the dhimmi tax, there was no problem with being there illegally. There was no INS carting off familes upon discovery. Anyone who was there and could pay the tax, was taxed. Muslims paid a similar but different "tax" called "zakat". Between the dhimmi tax and zakat, no foreigner was ever turned away, or allowed to starve. I find it odd that people think the dhimmi tax is so strange, given the brutal treatment foreigners are treated in modern states. Spend a day with the INS to see what I mean. For even worse, have a look at the way the Australian govt has been treating refugees recently. There is talk of a giant floating prison made out of a decommissioned oil tanker to detain them. Personally, I'll take the dhimmi tax for not being Musim over being locked up in the hold of an oil tanker, or dumped in the desert just south of the Mexican border, thankyou very much.

That is only complete when you mention "...and Muslims" at the end.

So what you're saying is that Jews have been rejected everywhere, by just about everyone. Does that mean there is a problem with everyone else, or a problem with Jews?

In any case, most of the Jewish people I know seem to be of the opinion that the Ottoman age was one of the best and most prosperous times in Jewish history. This coming from them, not me. They also do not support Israel's policy of shoot first ask questions later.

I am not against Israel or Jews, I am against Zionism, which is essentially the Jewish KKK. Seehere for an example. (Wait! Before you jump on your high horse, I am aware that there are websites for all sides of any argument, which is why I said "for an example". I am not citing this as proof of my stance, merely as an indication that there is merit to it.)

...and it would satisfy the demands of those who want to get rid of Middle Eastern Jews once and for all.

So? If it solves everyone's issues then whats the problem? If the US loves Israel so much, why not give them Ohio or Virginia to live in? They'd be happier there, the US wouldn't have such a long distance to ship tanks and bombs so they'd save on transport costs and the Arabs would be free to do as they pleased. Also, the Palestinians have been there far longer unless you dig into biblical stories.

Actually, I don't think they deserve special treatment. They deserve equal treatment. If we can have a Palestine for the Palestinians, a Syria for the Syrians, a Jordan for the Hashemites, an Egypt for the Egyptians, then why not have an Israel for the Israelis?

Israel gets more "special treatment" in terms of military support and financial support than the entire developing world, and yet still cries poor. The word "equal" rings hollow coming from a supporter of Israel.

Also, Israel is out of place in that sentence in that a) the majority of its people didn't live there even a generation ago and b) until the 1940s it did not even exist as a country. One cannot simply say that Foo has an inherent right to be, when Foo was taken out of Bar belonging to someone else. No law on earth would give property rights to a trespasser simply because he managed to be there by

Are you saying that the U.S. has forced abortions, political executions (with the executee's family being billed for the fucking bullet), wholesale cultural genocide (Do you know the chinese are hauling ethnic chinese by the trainload into tibet to overrun the place? Look up "tibetan spaniel" sometime to see how the fucking chinese have clubbed to death the entire population of tibet's beautiful native dogs), wholesale censorship of the press and Internet, massive "reeducation" (read: concentration) camps, support for mass-murderer dictators (Pol Pot, "Our Dear Leader", etc.).

Yeah, America is so much better.

Odd how quickly you come to defend an un-cited site when you didn't do much research on the matter. The fact is, I found that same list, verbatim, on multiple sites:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channe lid=31&contentid=3945&page=2 (which attributes it to Rense)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/usa_vote_facts.html (which attributes to Nightweed)

http://utterlyboring.com/archives/2004/12/19/20_am azing_facts_about_voting_in_the_usa.php (which doesn't give a source, only that it has been seen "going around")

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/07 /20_amazing_fact.html (which has an unsourced version without links and one with links sourced to Nightweed)

http://www.coastalpost.com/04/12/02a.htm (without links and attributed to Bob Rowe)

http://www.comicpress.com/ElectionFiasco.htm (verbatim post, unsourced)

http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc000023.ht ml (attributed to Angry Girl/Nightweed and Bob Rowe)

http://www.argusfest.org/ (unsourced, but verbatim)

And on and on and on....

Many do attribute to Nightweed and many do not. Since lists such as these are usually somewhat viral in nature and distribution, original authorship is often difficult if not impossible to determine. However, if the original author is indeed Angry Girl/Nightweed, then my thanks to her for compiling the list.

Look at the video on this page.

Rep Peter King (R-NY) spills thebeans

A quote from the page:

Alex Pelosi's new film "Diary of a Political Tourist" catches a tipsy Congressman Peter King making a comment at a White House function before the election had been finished that, "It's already over. The Election's over. We Won."
When Pelosi asks, "How do you know that?" King replies, "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."
~~~~~~~~~~~~end quote

James Baker III bragged to Russian businessmen after the 2000 election about fixing the election for Bush in Florida.

"I fixed the election in Florida for George Bush." James Baker, Bush family lawyer speaking before a crowd of Russian businessmen.

Conclusion

The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.

The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.

It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence.

When the picture at Tab 4 was made, all evidence of demolition charges had been removed from the building site (i.e., the stubs of columns B3, A3, A5, A7 and the demolished junctures at the header with columns A3, A5 and A7.

All ambiguity with respect to the use of supplementing demolition charges and the type of truck used could be quickly resolved in the FBI were required to release the surveillance camera coverage of this terribly tragic event.

(from General Partin's conclusion at second link above, emphasis added)

Conclusion

The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.

The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.

It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence.

When the picture at Tab 4 was made, all evidence of demolition charges had been removed from the building site (i.e., the stubs of columns B3, A3, A5, A7 and the demolished junctures at the header with columns A3, A5 and A7.

All ambiguity with respect to the use of supplementing demolition charges and the type of truck used could be quickly resolved in the FBI were required to release the surveillance camera coverage of this terribly tragic event.

(from General Partin's conclusion at second link above, emphasis added)

7. ONE CAN'T HIDE

The seventh lesson I teach is that one can't hide. I teach children they are always watched, that each is under constant surveillance by myself and my colleagues. There are no private spaces for children, there is no private time. Class change lasts three hundred seconds to keep promiscuous fraternization at low levels. Students are encouraged to tattle on each other or even to tattle on their own parents. Of course, I encourage parents to file their own child's waywardness too. A family trained to snitch on itself isn't likely to conceal any dangerous secrets.

I assign a type of extended schooling called "homework," so that the effect of surveillance, if not that surveillance itself, travels into private households, where students might otherwise use free time to learn something unauthorized from a father or mother, by exploration, or by apprenticing to some wise person in the neighborhood. Disloyalty to the idea of schooling is a Devil always ready to find work for idle hands.

The meaning of constant surveillance and denial of privacy is that no one can be trusted, that privacy is not legitimate. Surveillance is an ancient imperative, espoused by certain influential thinkers, a central prescription set down in The Republic, in The City of God, in the Institutes of the Christian Religion, in New Atlantis, in Leviathan, and in a host of other places. All these childless men who wrote these books discovered the same thing: children must be closely watched if you want to keep a society under tight central control. Children will follow a private drummer if you can't get them into a uniformed marching band.

-John Taylor Gatto, The Seven Lesson Schoolteacher

>A couple months ago, I got into a discussion about the WTC collapse. One thing that was mentioned is that a large part of the collapse was due to the extreme temperatures of burning jet fuel weakening the elastic modulus of the steel-framed structure.

Doesn't sound like a good discussion then. Most of the jet fuel exploded outside the building. A half-hour later, there were people standing in the impact zones. Chief Palmer reached the 78th floor and reported that they could "knock it down with two lines."

The WTC collapses may be a tricky structural subject, but extreme temperatures is probably the biggest, most easily proved flaw in the argument.

been there.. done that.. forget about google 'cause most arabic sites that I know of haven't heard of anything like SEO.. and I pretty much haven't found anything but a site linked to a p0rn webmaster in the US..

> Cluster bomb bomblets, basically small touch-sensitive
> tactical mines, are even worse with an estimated
> failure-to-explode rate around 25%-30%.

They also had the same colour and similar size to US ration packs or at least they did back in 2001-2002 in Afganistan). http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/foodorbomb.jpg

The ration packs were changed to Salmon colour after that screw up.

Conclusion

The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.

The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.

It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence.

When the picture at Tab 4 was made, all evidence of demolition charges had been removed from the building site (i.e., the stubs of columns B3, A3, A5, A7 and the demolished junctures at the header with columns A3, A5 and A7.

All ambiguity with respect to the use of supplementing demolition charges and the type of truck used could be quickly resolved in the FBI were required to release the surveillance camera coverage of this terribly tragic event.

-http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS /OK/PARTIN/ok5.htm (emphasis added)

• Such a collapse could not have progressed straight down. Any deviation from absolute center would have caused one side to collapse faster than the other, eventually shunting the debris off to one side.
• Such a collapse does not account for all the steel members being broken into sections roughly 30 feet in length (including the core).
• Such a collapse could not have occured at the acceleration observed (nearly the acceleration observed in a body falling freely through the air). The resistance of the floors would have slowed down the collapse, particularly in the initial moments, but such a slowdown was not observed. (Don't take my word for it, though...watch the video.)

...the fact remains that you have consistently failed to explain what precipitated the collapse. Certainly, it was not from the initial impact, since both towers stood long after the impact events. Certainly, it was not from the briefly burning jet fuel fires, or the more conventional office fires that followed, weakening ASTM E119 certified steel to the point of collapse, since this is impossible. Tell me, hkmwbz...what's left?

Ignoring the inconvenient problems of the 'progressive collapse' theory for just a moment, saying the collapse happened because the top floors fell down on the rest of the structure is akin to saying that a gun went off because the firing pin struck the shell. It's a frighteningly stupid argument, and I hope you'll have the courtesy of withdrawing it before it darkens this thread any further.

No you have not.

Now what have I told you about gainsaying, hkmwbz?

You have ignored facts and twisted other facts

OK, cite the facts you're accusing me of twisting and/or ignoring, and I'll be happy to address your accusations, despite the obvious fact that it's you that's done the lion's share of 'ignoring' with your childish gainsaying.

Instead of making a fool of yourself, go read the Wikipedia article on your conspiracy theories.

Wow....you never fail to amuse, do you, hkmwbz? First the North Tower is a 'red herring', and now I'm being directed to check my facts on Wikipedia. Perhaps if you followed your own advice, you would have seen that the neutrality of the Wikipedia article is currently in dispute.

They are all adequately explained.

Then it shouldn't be terribly difficult for you to use these 'explanations' to counter my arg

Stands to reason, any country that kills its own populace certainly would do something like this.

And how is any country with military and intelligence organizations running out of control any different?

(Couldn't resist.)

Stands to reason, any country that kills its own populace certainly would do something like this.

And how is any country with military and intelligence organizations running out of control any different?

(Couldn't resist.)

So let me get this straight: Lenovo is bad, but companies like Amdocs are OK?

Doesn't that reek of double standards and all?

For those who don't get it: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

Don't forget the so-called 'confession tape' where a man who really looks nothing like Bin-Laden, wearing jewelery that Binladen has never and never would wear 'confesses' to masterminding 9/11. video footage 'released' by Bin Laden is few a far between yet they 'found' this video taped confession out of the blue. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html then later, Osama actually states to reporters that he had nothing to do with it. He's still evil scum. But he's not 'as' guilty of 9/11 as the US gov would have it's sheep believe. And what the phuck is up with Sadam being captured and Iraq on the news EVERY hour of every day, meanwhile I havent heard squat about afganistan in months and nobody even mentions whether or not they're still trying to capture Osama, you know, the guy accused of destroying the towers. I know Sadam is a bad guy but what has he done to the US in the last 10 years that even comes close to 9/11. If I were president I'd close the borders, recall every american soldier and employee based in countries we're not on good terms with and then wait for the enemy to come to us. Half the terrorists only want the US off of their soil anyway. Once we leave they'll leave us alone. And dozens of countries will realize how dependant they were on US presence there and will beg and plead for their return and will do anything to make it happen, even finally providing useful info on terrorists in their country.

1. If the jets were nothing more than escaping air, how is it that they were filled with dust and smoke, despite the inconvenient fact that there was no damage whatsoever on those lower floors? Where could that smoke and dust have come from?
2. How is it that the jets were so regular in appearance, some even visible from two sides of the tower simultaneously? If this was just pressurized gas finding a way out, as you assert, once it had blown one window, the pressure would decrease, pr

Condoleeza Rice, July 2001:
"We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

The Downing Street Memo, July 2002:
There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.

George W. Bush Speech to UN General Assembly September 12, 2002:
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

Ari Fleischer Press Briefing January 9, 2003:
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

George W. Bush Address to the Nation March 17, 2003:
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Donald Rumsfeld ABC Interview March 30, 2003:
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Paul Wolfowitz Vanity Fair interview May 28, 2003:
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

There are more.. blatenly taken from this site.. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WMDlies.html

"The situation right now is still of high risk," he added, 10 hours after fire engulfed the Windsor Building in the heart of Madrid's business and banking district. "It will take hours until this fire is declared under control."

At its peak, temperatures reached 800 degrees Celsius (1,472 F), said Javier Sanz, head of Madrid firefighters, on Sunday.

With morning light, the damage from the spectacular blaze that lit up the night and attracted thousands of onlookers was evident. The top floors were little more than charred steel twisted into destroyed shapes. Everything else was burned away.

Amazingly, a construction crane remained perched on the roof.

I call bullshit on the "people standing at the impact site". Do you have a link to pictures to back that up? I remember watching TV and seeing a whole lot of smoke coming out of both buildings, indicating a fire or massive deployment of smoke machines by the illuminati.

Here is a link:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_fire.html

And this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/1 70105womanwaving.htm

and one more: http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/5088.jpg

Now let me also say that I don't construe this as hard evidence. Prisonplanet has video (I haven't watched the video). Forrest Gump shook hands with Kennedy. I'm being skeptical, but this looks legit. So here are your photos and video. Debunk it at your pleasure.

Can you back up your claim about the geographic locations of Diebold machines? What about machines made by Triad systems: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml, or http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

The 2004 election in Ohio is a black mark on America's democracy: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud_oh io.html

The Diebold suspicions are difficult to prove (and I don't have time to dig for info right now) but the Ohio election itself was a disgrace. That's not a "liberal urban legend", it's well-documented fact.

I hope that people this election are not so stupid as to give up their freedoms to the sellout lamescream political party that has manipulated them for years. Each time I hear people bitch and moan that Gore should have won the election or that "Democrats" tried to appeal and recount their way to victory, I want to puke. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE which one should have, could have or had won, the results are the same. More government, higher taxes, more rules and fewer freedoms for the people. I want limited government, so that is why I vote for candidates of the Constituion and Libertarian parties. I hope people who read this are not stupid enough to throw their vote away on a Republicrat

You, the true patriots of America, the people who will stand and fight their own government to save the freedoms they have now and liberate the freedoms you had before PATRIOT, have until sometime between the start of July and the end of September 2008.

I predict, as I'm sure a few other people have done, that sometime between those dates, there will be another "terrorist attack" on United States soil.

I don't want this to happen, and I already weep for the people who will die in this event, but I believe that your government will, if not directly take part, at least allow this to happen.

Why?

Take a good long look at September 11, 2001. Take another good long look at the bombings in London on July 7, 2005.

I repeat, I don't want this to happen. I am filled with rage and sorrow right now at the people who presented the official reports on 9/11 and 7/7, and the people who used these and earlier governmental and departmental reports to justify such things as the PATRIOT act, extensive wire-tapping without judicial process, and the mistreatment of anyone deemed to be an "enemy combatant".

The thought even occurs to me that this next attack might happen in a "token" ally country, like Canada, or my home, Australia, set up to look like a Muslim or other religion-based attack from the "axis of evil".

Second prediction - Within hours of the attack, the FBI or Department of Homeland Security will have a prepared statement that says they know who performed the attacks and how. Within 48 hours, probably less, they will state that they have conclusive evidence to prove their earlier statement.

There will be no oversight on this evidence from a third, impartial party to verify and confirm the previous statements. Any actual evidence of the attacks will be removed as quickly as possible from the public eye "in the interests of preventing further panic and allowing the people to recover quickly and get on with their lives".

This clean up will remove the real evidence of what happened, just like what happened after September 11, and I presume happened very shortly after July 7. Two to three years later there will be a government sponsored report on what happened, and it will be as full of holes and ommissions as the official report on September 11 is.

More freedoms will be lost. In all likelyhood most of the changes will happen behind the scenes, nibbling away at what freedoms US citizens have now. There will be no grand gesture on the part of the government to look after and protect its people by removing mass amounts of rights and privileges. The grand gesture was the "terrorist attack", orchestrated by those capable of doing so in order to shake up and ready the people's minds to a gentle lessening of freedoms.

People in westernised countries are being terrorised every day, but it's not by foreigners. The terror is coming from inside their own heads, their imaginations, and the people putting the imagery in

Not smoking anything, but I do know how to read past a 3rd grade level. More than I can say about the President....

Oh if you can read, here check out some of the lastest news bits on the 2004 election.

There are tons of links to every major Media and News outlet if you can figure out how to type 2004 voter fraud in Google. But in case you can't here is a link to get you started that monitors the latest information.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vot e_fraud.html

...then he might very well still be torturing his people to death in large numbers today.

And I'm sure he'd do it with our full support. Just like the good old days.

By backfire, you mean we could find out who Saddam's real accomplices are? Yeah, that could be embarassing.