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Or AM, perhaps. http://villains.wikia.com/wiki...

Star Trek has never been very good with subtlety

Star Trek has never been very good with subtlety

Star Trek has never been very good with subtlety

Star Trek has never been very good with subtlety

47 strikes again!

"I see your free operating system. And I raise you waiting two years then complaining the price your charging is too high"

Have you ever done business in India? This move makes perfect sense to them.

The business culture in India is the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition minus long term planning and the charm.

They were thinking:
Rule of Acquisition 11: "Even if it's free, you can always buy it cheaper."

Now they are thinking:
Rule of Acquisition 184: "A Ferengi waits to bid until his opponents have exhausted themselves."
Rule of Acquisition 34: "War is good for business." (or disaster in this case)

But what they forgot:
Rule of Acquisition 82: "The flimsier the product, the higher the price."
Unknown Number : "The more time they take deciding, the more money they will spend."

What do you mean? An American REM or a Japanese REM?

So when Trump started saying things like healthcare for all and good jobs and education folks rallied around him because, hey, whatdayagot to lose?

I think you have Trump confused with Bernie. Trump told 'merica that he has a really great healthcare plan, the best. So good, in fact, even he isn't sure of the details - but it will be great! On jobs, Trump claimed he'd bring them back. He wasn't very clear on this one either; perhaps he meant reanimating the corpse of the late Steve Jobs. Maybe he wants to build one of those sarcophagus things from Stargate SG1. That would take care of healthcare and bringing back Jobs. Of course, there were also hellish naquadah mines on SG1, so bringing back mining is also a possibility.

As for education, your highschool participation award is good enough to work in our naquadah mines or build air conditioners. You don't have to go to college to MAGA. You're entitled to the American Dream(TM) by mere virtue of American exceptionalism!

And I need to stop acting like a damned /. editor and use the preview button

http://discworld.wikia.com/wik...

We now know who the Omnissiah really is. Glory to the Omnissiah !

No, he's right, "toxic masculinity" is the phrase that actually describes this. The fact that TM is also a demonstration of contradictory, hypocritical, social standards is one of the signs TM is a bad thing.

The women aren't simply expressing their own opinions, those opinions were not formed in a vacuum. They're repeating what they've been brought up to believe, that men need to bottle their emotions, and that expressing emotions is a feminine, anti-masculine, quality. They've been brought up to believe that's an acceptable and reasonable thing to assert because that's what society pushes, it's a common theme to the movies and television we watch, the stories we tell one another, and the language we use. People - men and women - tell other people upset about things to "Be a man" by which they mean shut the fuck up and stop showing how upset you are.

If it wasn't a common social meme (if that's the right word), then there's a strong chance the women involved wouldn't have had that reaction, and if they were, wouldn't have felt it worth sharing with one another, any more than an observation than shivering on a cold day is unmasculine.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

The question for me is, is there really anything left that's new to say in the way of Star Trek stories

They keep going back before the events described in Voyager with new shows, but what about going forward to a time that has intersected with both the Voyager and Enterprise timelines? Does anyone else remember Captain Braxton from the 29th century or Agent Daniels from the 31st? Think of what they could do with a small crew on a Relativity class time ship enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive or perhaps the temporal agents of the 31st century who are so advanced that they can transport anywhere without the need for a ship. They could go anywhere in the galaxy at any time, opening up many new possibilities and story lines. They could spend more time developing the early stages of the Temporal Cold War, before it intersected with the events described in Enterprise. The Sphere Builders suffered a setback in Enterprise, but surely they could return to menace the galaxy once more. A faction of the Na'kuhl were defeated, but what about the rest of that race? And what about Future Guy? Surely we haven't seen the last of him. There needs to be a show covering the adventures of the temporal agents from the future. It would make for some really different takes on what Star Trek is and where it could go.

Star Trek's defining characteristic has always been a utopian vision of the future.

True.

It need not be a perfect nor flawless future, mind you.

False. Read Roddenberry's guide.

But even the darkest of the Trek series (DS9) presented a positive future of humanity having worked together to overcome almost all social ills.

DS9 isn't even remotely dark, that's just because Sisko is black.

I fear that is not the modern liberal ideal anymore.

Your personal problems are your own issue. You should get over your groundless fears.

Inclusivity and unity seem to have given way to a much darker vision of "victimhoodopoly," resegregation, and permanent social division.

You should probably review the number of attacks on the ideals found in Star Trek episodes already.

I fear that this series will advance an agenda that is, in fact, almost the exact opposite of the one Roddenberry created.

And? Roddenberry's ideals were often flawed. Why not challenged them?

Worst case scenario, we get a new Star Trek where Lokai and Bele have to compete to determine who's the bigger victim (to decide which is the "good guy" and which the "bad guy"), or are told that their hatred of one another is okay since they come from "different cultures," or are encouraged to resegregate themselves rather than learn to live together.

Actually, they WERE left to themselves to keep on hating, that's the Prime Directive for you.

Did you not finish watching the episode?

No! Give them all psychotectic treatment!

(Possibly also put Riker away just in case. His sexiness might be at the root of these problems.)

Rest in piece, Adam We. I hope they have taffy where you're going.

Transtators were invented by the 22nd century and the basis for every important piece of equipment that we have.

Pretty simple. Animal-powered electrical generators. He might even have some type of "Wheel of Pain" for those people who want to buy a Tesla but just can't afford one with money.

Great, call the AI "Mother", give the ship a skeleton crew, and hope it doesn't invoke special order 937

http://alienanthology.wikia.co...

Yes, well, it worked for the Kazon! http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/...

http://danmachi.wikia.com/wiki...

must be maintained forever

I remember watching the episode and thinking Gee--it would be great to be one of the people with the active immune system.
Of course it would suck for my neighbors, friends, and family--but that's their problem.

Right?

The just need to start manufacturing the Plumbus!

A Plumbus is an all purpose home device. Everyone knows what it does, so there is no reason to explain it.

You're welcome, Sony! ;)

Those cameras are really there to prevent an apocalyptic event from occurring.

They're really there for your protection. Really.

I thought female captains weren't allowed in the TOS (or earlier) time period? That was the whole reason Janis Lester had to swap bodies with Kirk in order to become captain. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Janice_Lester

That was well and truly thrown out of canon by ENT as the USS Columbia (Enterprises sister ship) had a female captain.

Dude, did you just time travel from before Star Trek? Women have been HEAVILY involved in Star Trek fandom since the beginning!

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/...!

Note that the book's authors are: Jacqueline Lichtenberg, Sondra Marshak, and Joan Winston.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Star Trek: The New Voyages (1976) is an anthology of short fiction based on Star Trek edited by Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath featuring work by fan fiction authors.[clarification needed] It was the first Star Trek short story collection, and the first original Star Trek prose to be published since Spock Must Die! published in 1970. The commissioning editor was Frederik Pohl, at Bantam Books. It was followed in 1978 by Star Trek: The New Voyages 2.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Star Trek: The New Voyages 2 edited by Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath was the 1978 followup to the 1976 anthology Star Trek: The New Voyages. The editors contributed stories to the anthology, and had previously published a Star Trek novel, The Price of the Phoenix.

Of the first 10 of Pocket's Star Trek books, starting with the novelization of the Motion picture, only 3 were written by men.

Of the next 10, only 4 were written by men.

A slightly more accurate stereotype of Star Trek fans would be "white female slashfic writers"

I kid I kid.

What they didn't do before now was to feel exclusive of anyone who can't check off their proper SJW victimhood credentials.

Why do you feel excluded? Really, there's white guys in that trailer, a LOT of them. For Goshsakes, there's over a BILLION people in China...there should be a LOT more chinese faces. Hell, did you hate on Firefly with all the Chinese influences?

Geez louise, is the very presence of non-white/non-male characters that troubling to some people? I think it takes a special kind of "snowflake"..., to be that troubled by just SEEING non-male/non-white faces

You know what, all this anti-SJW stuff is basically a bunch of white guys complaining because having an african-american president and a woman running for said office "bothered" them on a subconsciously racist level.

Those guys may not be "actively" bigoted, but the changes in society over time bothered them on a subconsciously bigoted level. And other things also subconsciously bothered them.

more visible ethnic minorites in leading roles

more women in leading roles

women in leadership positions in business and politics

women criticizing developer stupidity in the medium that you subconsciously think of as "belonging to guys"

You get the picture. It's why the gamergaters often used "invaders" language in regards to women.

Heck, in this very discussion I've seen Meta-monkey claim that Star Trek is basically a guy thing... for goshsakes, Star Trek of all things. Well known for having a large fanbase of women since the 60's!

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/...!

Note that the book's authors are: Jacqueline Lichtenberg, Sondra Marshak, and Joan Winston.

It saddens me to think of a Star Trek universe where this lifelong fan is villainized just because I was born with white skin and a dick.

No one would villainize you, if you didn't hop on the anti-SJW bandwagon because you're subconsciously BOTHERED seeing a few less white male faces.

Hammering it home would have meant that they used every other episode to showcase how they're not as backwards as they "used to be" (read: as they are in the 1960s) and making a point about Uhura being black. Actually, I don't even remember a single occasion where her skin color became an issue in the show.

While her skin color/ethnicity might not have been an issue it was brought up in the show.

SULU: Iâ(TM)ll protect you, fair maiden!
UHURA: Sorry, neither.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

KIRK: Lieutenant Uhura of communications.
TRELANE: Ah a Nubian prize. (he kisses her hand) Taken on one of your raids of conquest, no doubt, Captain.
KIRK: No doubt.

UHURA (to crewmen) The door to my quarters still rattles when it opens. Would you stop by and see if you can do something about it? Thanks, Bobby. (Green changes into African crewman) Crewman, do I know you?
CREWMAN: In a way, ma'am. You were just thinking of someone like me. I'm guessing of course, but you do look a little lonely.
UHURA: I see. So naturally, when I'm lonely I think of you.
CREWMAN: Ina cuvanea mwanamke turee.
UHURA: Una kafeeri Hur. You're Swahili?

You can't really say that about the more recent past, even in TNG we had to be lectured about how backwards humans were (read: are in the reality) and how lucky they are that they overcame it.

Aren't we backwards? and will we not be judged by our descendants like we judge our predecessors for their failings?

Take a hint. People don't like being lectured. It creates resistance.

You know what, all this anti-SJW stuff is basically a bunch of white guys complaining because having an african-american president and a woman running for said office "bothered" them on a subconsciously racist level.

Those guys may not be "actively" bigoted, but the changes in society over time bothered them on a subconsciously bigoted level. And other things also subconsciously bothered them.

more visible ethnic minorites in leading roles

more women in leading roles

women in leadership positions in business and politics

women criticizing developer stupidity in the medium that you subconsciously think of as "belonging to guys"

You get the picture. It's why the gamergaters often used "invaders" language in regards to women.

Heck, in this very discussion I've seen Meta-monkey claim that Star Trek is basically a guy thing... for goshsakes, Star Trek of all things. Well known for having a large fanbase of women since the 60's!

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/...!

Note that the book's authors are: Jacqueline Lichtenberg, Sondra Marshak, and Joan Winston.

i.e. how to cooperate and even more accept the leadership of someone who does NOT share your point of view totally, would definitely be an interesting concept.

It's Starfleet. There's a selection process.

Also, they did the "particular point of view, your moral code, your history and your beliefs" with Voyager. Half of the crew were Maquis.
SPOILER: They adapted to the more "by the book" Starfleet point of view, which proved more beneficial to their survival than the alternative approach.
Still, some rules were broken.

i.e. how to cooperate and even more accept the leadership of someone who does NOT share your point of view totally, would definitely be an interesting concept.

It's Starfleet. There's a selection process.

Also, they did the "particular point of view, your moral code, your history and your beliefs" with Voyager. Half of the crew were Maquis.
SPOILER: They adapted to the more "by the book" Starfleet point of view, which proved more beneficial to their survival than the alternative approach.
Still, some rules were broken.

i.e. how to cooperate and even more accept the leadership of someone who does NOT share your point of view totally, would definitely be an interesting concept.

It's Starfleet. There's a selection process.

Also, they did the "particular point of view, your moral code, your history and your beliefs" with Voyager. Half of the crew were Maquis.
SPOILER: They adapted to the more "by the book" Starfleet point of view, which proved more beneficial to their survival than the alternative approach.
Still, some rules were broken.

Weird. The ship reminded me of perhaps the NX-04 Discovery. You might recall the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-02 Columbia. It was hard to tell however. It would be a bit late in the timeline since it's 10 years before TOS to be the NX-04, though.

But there's no point in logging in or reading the rest of these comments because the old, testosterone-deficient men of Slashdot have decided that ever since a woman was captain of a starship, Star Trek is dead.

Weird. The ship reminded me of perhaps the NX-04 Discovery. You might recall the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-02 Columbia. It was hard to tell however. It would be a bit late in the timeline since it's 10 years before TOS to be the NX-04, though.

But there's no point in logging in or reading the rest of these comments because the old, testosterone-deficient men of Slashdot have decided that ever since a woman was captain of a starship, Star Trek is dead.

Weird. The ship reminded me of perhaps the NX-04 Discovery. You might recall the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-02 Columbia. It was hard to tell however. It would be a bit late in the timeline since it's 10 years before TOS to be the NX-04, though.

But there's no point in logging in or reading the rest of these comments because the old, testosterone-deficient men of Slashdot have decided that ever since a woman was captain of a starship, Star Trek is dead.

I thought female captains weren't allowed in the TOS (or earlier) time period? That was the whole reason Janis Lester had to swap bodies with Kirk in order to become captain. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Janice_Lester

Because that episode was damn funny.

I wonder how useful it would be for someone like the NSA or NRO for analyzing large datasets in near-realtime like, for instance, all the cellphone communications "metadata" (and contents?) in an area and cross check it against other datasets to destroy privacy, reveal networks of association of political/ideological opponents, etc etc? "Predict" crime a la 'Minority Report'?

Well, they did call it The Machine, so I assume they're trying to make it easy for the government to connect the dots on that idea.

Folks on the red site thought I was trolling when I said that feminism considers cannabis flower a date rape drug.

Once again we have the Misogynerd Narrative in full swing, and this time it's working not only to trivialize the skills necessary to program a computer but to demonize cannabis flower.

Feminism: you have blood on your hands if you join forces with Jeff Sessions on this one. But of course you don't care, do you feminism? If it works to oppress black women, that's just fine with you. If it takes medicine out of the hands of people who need it, you've already demonstrated with trans women that's fine with you.

If I may paraphrase Azetbur: "Feminism." Why, the very name is sexist. Feminism is no more than a white upper class cisgendered woman only club.

Yes, and if the first step is making an interactive Star Trek simulation that responds to your voice, then it is a good thing to know that the first step was taken in 2002.

It could have been phosphorus. Lizard people require more phosphorus in their diets than humans do.

Europe also tends to be more ethnically homogeneous (per country). The U.S., for all its flaws, is a hodgepodge of people from all over the world. I've always suspected part of the high violence rate in the U.S. is due to latent racism and cultural biases present everywhere, but coming into conflict with each other much more in the U.S. than in other countries.

The problem with that argument is simple: You haven't shown that inter-cultural exchanges are compromising a number of homicides.

So basically, not only are you still slipping on causation, you haven't established correlation.

The counterargument would be Canada, which is more diverse than the U.S., yet has less violence. But if you stare at that map and a homicide rate map long enough, I think you'll convince yourself that Canada is an outlier, and that in general higher ethnic diversity in a country is correlated with higher violence rates.

Stare too long into the abyss, and you'll find it staring back, doesn't make it true or valid.

The least you could do is check your own assumptions, but you didn't.

We still have a long ways to go as a species.

One would hope so, we haven't even gotten close to becoming a worm. Which was we all know, is the pinnacle of evolution.