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Will New TLDs' Restrictions Negate Their Aims?
Kyle writes: "According to this story on Wired, most of the new TLDs selected by ICANN will be restricted. For example, .biz will sport a $2000 price tag with an annual $150 fee, and will be limited to verifiable, legitimate businesses with specific commercial intent. The .pro TLD will be used exclusively by certified "professionals," including doctors, lawyers, etc. If the point is to introduce competition for .com, ICANN might have missed the target. Might this exclusivity limit the popularity of new domains? If almost no one is allowed to use them, the general consumer will likely be unaware that they exist, and continue in their .com'ocentric mindset." Problem is, who says what's bona fide? Would officious rules like this allow eccentric, personal Web-museums (like the online LED Museum) into.museum?
It sounds to me like this is yet another attempt to strongarm the internet into playing by "the mainstream"'s rules, by pushing back the hoi polloi who can't make it into some archaic conception of "respectable".
It's just another form of stealth censorship, and it will be just as ineffective as all the other attempts.
The old saying that the internet routes around censorship as a form of damage only has half the picture. The internet isn't vulnerable to this crap, because there is no internet - there are just people, and computers, and the technology to connect them together.
Best solution: ignore the silly buggers. This childish manipulation is too trivial to bother over.
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http://www.youcann.org/
Examples of the "other" domains:
http://www.commandments.god/
http://www.405.mov/
http://www.bbc.news/
http://www.cnn.news/
I know it's not the main focus of the article, but the second page of the article mentioned that the new domains (at least .info and .coop) will be managed by new registry providers (.info: Register.com, Tucows.com, and .coop: CORE). Even thought the new domains aren't nearly as desirable as the old standbys, at least Network Solutions doesn't have a strangle-hold on the registry market anymore.
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Actually, more people using guns != less crime
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If the
"More Citizens Owning Guns = Less Citizens Being Vicitmized by Worthless Scum Criminals"
In fact, the folks that choose to not own are safer as long as the crooks have to guess who is armed and who is not.
Blaming guns for crime is like blaming keyboards for first posters. More Guns != More Crime
I just popped in & registered:
www.the.biz
There's only one page up; I wasn't really expecting it to work. :-)
If you want to see it you'll need to set your computer as shown by:
http://youcann.org/instructions.html
Not that it's really worth seeing (other than to prove it works) but once you're set, you'll be able to see loads of other stuff.
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Don't you have to actively use a trademark to defend it's ownership?
That, and it would be so exceptionally easy to add to existing filtering software... If it's blah.porn, you can't go there with the filter active... .porn would have been a global institution, with no room for individual, local, or cultural latitude like PICS has. According to whose cultural definition would it have to be porn?
Exactly. Now what makes you think filtering is always voluntary and will always be voluntary? Also,
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But here's a stupid question:
Why do we need TLDs at all? Do they serve any real purpose in routing? Certainly they no longer specify the type of entity that they address (hmm... maybe we need ".squat"). Why can't www.sun.com just be www.sun? Is it because they're the dot in dot-com? Jeez... just define a valid character set and a maximum length, and go nuts!
I'd like to point out that at least one ICANN board member uses one of the alternative root server systems and has for a while.
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Since I began using this network in 1986 I've always seen the spirit of the network as cooperation not one-upmanship. But yes, there has been a .biz (one of ICANN's choices) since the mid 90's and registrations are being accepted in that tld. To go ahead and create now a .museum just to collide with ICANN's choice would not be proper IMH.
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You're quite right it IS (or rather WAS) a typo. The only reason nobody caught it was because it wasn't a typo in the root zone it was a type in my in-addr.arpa zone for 199.166.24. Moreso, since 199.166.24.1 has multiple A records pointing to it and mutiple PTR records (yes, it's legal, really, see RFC 2181) it never affected the operation of the root zone.
Thanks muchly for catching this, I fixed it as soon as I read this. I have long hoped the
(Don't forget I'm the same guy that created alt.sex because of a typo - see http://vrx.net/richard/alt.sex.html
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So who gets john.smith.name?
Until recently, Canada had the solution for what ail's the .com. Unlike registering a .com name, registering a .ca name took more than cash.
.ca I'd have to represent a national organisation. (In other words, my business would have to be incorporated federally). If I was incorporated provincially, I could have HappyBurger.bc.ca if I was located in British Columbia. That was in the event that my domain name was also the name of another organisation in another province, (unlikely, but possible), they could have the domain name for that area.
.ca organisation decided to try and make money by copying the .com system. The result is going to be what has happened to the .com. Favoritism to large corporations and lawsuits where the the group with the most cash wins. There are enough "open" tld's. Why trash all of them?
The first rule was that a single entity could only have one domain name. Furthermore, that domain name had to be clearly related to your business/organisation, and as specific as possible to avoid confusion without being too hard to remember. In other words if I owned The Happy Burger Shop, I couldn't register Pepsi.ca. That obviously has nothing to do with my organisation, and I probably would be able to register Burger.ca. I'd probably have to go with HappyBurger.ca.
Furthermore, in order to register a
The advantages of this system are clear. Cybersquating becomes difficult if not impossible, and the system didn't favour those with cash. Like when mailbank.com decided to register thousands of last names and resell them. They aren't creating wealth there, they're just trying to create another middleman. Something the consumer doesn't need, and the internet should do away with.
Unfortunately, someone at the
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IBM has spent 2 years of it's $60M a year Washnigton DC lobbying budget on ICANN to see there are no new TLDs to protect it's trademarks. If there is to be any progress in namespace expansion in the DNS it will have to come from a grassroots effort. You're waiting till IBM legitimzes this? Now whose being naive?
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The smithsonian institution uses "si.edu". Arguably, the smithsonian institution is educational, even though it does not fit into the "four year institution" category. The smithsonian tropical research center, for instance, supports academic research.
InsuranceFactory.edu is pure abuse. So is clue.edu. I think someone needs to start purging the *.edu tld.
there is not one iota of usefulness in this aside from making money. none. zero. nada. all the more reason to look at the current alternatives and maybe ...oh, i dunno, doing something about them. we are, after all, the ones who have the system by the short-n-curlies. if it wasn't for our sneaking linux in to the point where people realized it's viability and dare i say "superiority" (call me a zealot, i am), then where would it be? in the hands of hobbyists and dreamers, where alternate dns is now.
sorry, i'm just ranting. again, slashdot does a lot of whining and yet creates no mechanism to fight.
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The whole point to this icann opening up new domains is to relieve the current shortage in easy-to-remember domain names.
.com namespace.
.museum???!!!?! First of all, who'd even want to type those 6 extra letters. Second, why museum and not car dealerships, or libraries, or malls, or gardens? Geez... how many museums are there in the world anyways? Dumb fucks!
.biz? Not many frickin idiots are going to ante up this ransom, which means this .biz will be about 1/100th as popular as .net is today! Great job register.com and nsi. Yeah that'll keep your current monopolies safe right?
Well if that's the purpose, why are these morons putting Network Solutions, Register.com, and other big registrars on their boards to make these decisions? It's like trusting the FBI to investigate themselves! It just doesn't work like that! They have ulterior motives and will only work to further themselves and prevent themselves from losing future profits. It doesn't benefit us consumers, and it sure doesn't benefit the thousands of businesses that would like to find an alternative to the current
Case in point:
$2000 to register
.web should've made it into the new tlds. Yeah Image Online is doing bad business encouraging people to "pre"-register, but so what? Delegate it to another bidder then!
Lets face it, .com is the defacto standard for the internet, and a lot of people don't know that there is anything else. And these are the valuable domains (and this is the reason that .biz) will fail, some of which have sold for absolute fortunes. So a couple of thousand is cheap compared to that. Its all about choice really.
.com1, .com2 etc as the .com domain fills up because people register whatever they want. The definition of the domain and the enforcement of it will probably dictate the success or otherwise of it.
And there is no point in having a new domain if there are no rules attached to it, otherwise you may as well just have the domains
It's more like saying "You can't put an M.D. after your name unless you really are one." or "You can't put a Ph. D. after your name unless you really have one."
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"$2000 and a $150 fee is peanuts to any real business.
.biz domain might end up doing is help consumers tell the difference between real businesses and flim-flam artists."
What the
Ummm....wasn't the internet supposed to help level the playing field between the 800lb gorillas (`real business') and the shoestring entrepreneur?
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It is a Good Idea(tm) to let only legitimate businesses willing to pay $2000 for one or two domain names, and not squatters collecting hundreds of these, register domain names under ".biz". In fact, it will most certainly unclutter the namespace sufficiently that the $1,000,000 price tags that some companies are now paying said squatters are a thing of the past.
But ".biz" is an incredibly stupid TLD. Imagine "sun.biz", "cisco.biz", etc. If anyting, it will only attract spammers, like flies. I.e. "direct marketing" organizations, and their ilk.
As a side note, the problem with inability to deal with squatting of ".com" (.net, .org) addresses has to do with several registrars handling these. Competition for domain name registration is Good, but no single TLD should be in the hands of more than one registrar. Why? Because they will compete for customers by lowering their prices - if one entity managed it they could actually increase the prices for registration based on the current shortage.
- Specific criterias for each TLD is Good. ".org" should be reserved for certified non-profit organizations (not per a specific government's tax rules, but per the registrar's rules). ".net" should be reserved for network service providers. ".pro" for professionals. A valid trademark for ".com". ".nothing" for domain name squatters.
- Price competition within a single TLD is Bad. Squatters can buy hundreds of domain names easily, then resell them at astronomical prices. They would not buy hundreds of $2000 names, but a legitimate business would.
- Stupid TLDs are bad. The price tag of $50000 for a TLD application filtered out common sense, and left only money left to speak. Bad idea.
-torBecause freelance creation of new namespaces without centralized consensus and authority threatens the global uniqueness of the domain name system?
I'm no ICANN advocate, but it's not hard not to see registries of wildcat TLDs as fundamentally different from those guys who sell property on the moon. Hey, guess what, I'll sell .biz, too, won't that be great!
The first signs of a fractured global namespace are already beginning to show; see the recent disputes about registering Chinese character domains... It's not going to be good for anyone.
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The registree would decide. If I were a porn pushed, I'd LOVE to get ahold of sex.sex before my competition. Think of all the other combinations. ;)
hot.sex
wild.sex
wet.sex
gay.sex
lesbian.sex
rubber.sex
animal.sex
slashdot.sex (Nudity for Nerds, Sex that matters)
Cybersquatters would probably kill for that last one.
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Agreed. If you survey the DNS landscape it's easy to see the trend is away from 3rd and fourth level domains as the point of regstration. Ireland as well as Canada just dumped this silly ass idea; there are others but I don't remember them off the top of my head.
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*.pro.dom?
Don't those properly belong in the *.xxx tld?
/me ducks
Whatever happened to our good old democratic Requests For Comments? It would seem to me that if an organization was going to make a decision that would affect oh, I don't know, hundreds of millions of people, that could either foster or wither certain amounts of intellectual and commercial growth, and that WILL NOT BE REVERSABLE (you can't go back after 5 millions .biz and .pro domains have been registered), that they would perhaps ask people for their opinion? In the past, when the Internet wasn't run by corporations, there was a public discussion when anything new was to be added. Email protocols, html tags, TCP/IP specifications were all publicly discussed, so that everybody could point out the bad points and good points of what was going on. These tlds were developed in a vacuum, and because of that they are going to be terrible and underused.
tell me visions.edu is a 4-year college.
then tell me what courses I can enroll in at root.edu.
Imaginal.edu looks a little suspicious too.
insurancefactory.edu? A college that does nothing but sell insurance?
people have mentioned california.edu before; it's just a portal site for every california college, but it isn't a school itself.
schools.edu is registered too.
discountproductmall.edu used to be.
clue.edu doesn't give out degrees either.
and that's just 23% of the
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Now that is a GOOD idea. I'd like to see porn stamped out personally, (Well at least stamped out of my inbox), but seriously there is no way that is EVER going to happen. So let's find a way to deal with it.
.porn, but the existence of such a tld would do much (if explained properly) to satisfy concerned parents. (Not every one, but some at least).
Now it's already been said that this will make it easier to filter, but that filtering might not always be voluntary, but frankly I think that's a stupid argument.
Obviously not every porn site is going to rush to
People with 8 yr olds who cruise the net have a legitimate complaint. If current filtering solutions suck, and open source is so great, let's make an open source (including the blacklist obviously) piece of censorware.
If you want to look at it another way, isn't browsing at +1 a filtering/censoring system? Of course it's voluntary and it's open source in the sense that I know how comments are moderated.
So let's stop bitching and do something!
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Pretty sad when J Random Drunk Slashdotter makes more sense than an entire sober ICANN board.
Pop quiz: which ICANN board member slept all though wednesdays TLD presentations then voted on them anyway? I'm not kidding)
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It seems really stupid to go around giving out monopolies on particular TLDs.
Not the way ICANN set this up. What they wanted was not suggestions for new TLDs, but new monopoly registrars (for new TLDs, but with the fact of them being reisgtrars being more important than the TLDs in question.)
...who thinks that the latest ICANN decisions seemed designed to milk money out of those who can most afford to pay? Businesses, doctors, lawyers, hospitals....
so what was the problem with registering a .bc.ca or .ab.ca. I know that's possible, and frankly what's wrong with that?
.com is that it assumes that your organisation is the only one with that name in the entire world.
.ca system wouldn't run into the problem of cybersquatters as quickly.
The problem with
Now how stupid is that? It's basically only true for Pepsi and such. A software developer in Canada that has a presence in only one province is unlikely to meet that criteria. At least the (unfortunately replaced)
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Enough said. It is against bulk buyers of domains. It is very good. Do you own domains you are not planning to use within the next year? If so you are in the conflict of interests.
They are willing to add some domains, and will have a lot of restrictions on who can use each domain. So doesn't this ruin their argument against the .kids TLD?
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IOD is not "pre-registering" names. They are "registering" names just like Jon Postel told them to go ahead and do - and charge money for it - at a meeting at IANA in the late 90's. Michael Gerstand and Simon Higgs were also at that meeting.
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How about stsci.edu? Not that I have anything against the Space Telescope Science Institute, but I don't think they grant degrees...
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I've always thought that the violation of the TLDs is what we don't want. Things like organizations using .net's and commercial using .org's. Wouldn't this type of thing stop the confusion or am I missing something here?
Those guys will bid on anything.
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But that would disrupt Microsofts .NET plans, effectively putting an end to one of the greatest companies on earth, surely no /.er would want that. Or do you have some
"hidden" motifs?
The only reason Microsoft still exists is due to a legal technicality. Thus avoiding damage to Mircosoft (or for that matter any other fictional entity) should not be an motivation for anything.
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No company willing to shell out that much money for a domain name will ever buy .biz . Not only does .biz not have as high a profile as .com , but it also looks really stupid. I can't imagine running foocorp.biz instead of foocorp.com .
Everyone will just register their name in all of them (corporations will anyway). If there are 16 available TLDs, does anyone here NOT think Coca-Cola will register coke.xxxx in all of them (plus coca-cola.xxxx, diet-coke.xxxx, etc.)?
The sort of thing Network Solutions encourages people to do. The only solution would be something to the effect that this kind of "cybersquatter" can lose all their domain names.
Yea, great. I don't think these guys should be responsible for determining what careers are professional and which aren't.
To me it seems similar to the old arguement on whether or not Software Engineers are actually Engineers.
I can't wait to see how many thousand names Verizon tries to register when these new domains become available. I want "verizon-runs-a-lousy.biz".
Since a .biz provides for a real business, and a .com does not, it would weaken the trademark dilution.
Remember vw.net fiasco? Now, if .net was enforced, then VW would not be able to have taken vw.net.
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Unfortunately, the masses prefer to be spoon-fed. Don't think the goal isn't to coax them into pods someday - until Neo comes.
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The internet is not for people but for businesses or that is what they want us to believe. Nothing i s stopping anyone from creating thier own tld's only exceptance. Now the ICANN will make thier money and the new Registars will make a killing. But to be fare it do see this help to aid in the organization of the internet domain structure we will see in time how it plays out it will be a fun ride.
Hey, does anyone have a copy of the goatse.cx pic in ascii art? I need it for a project....
a .munchies, or maybe a .hackers. A .warez could work too. A .freexxx would be nice too (I wouldn't have to search for free porn anymore). It could replace Scour as my source for free porn. I want to see an .annoyingads so that I know where to go when I want to receive spam in my e-mail and get millions of pop-up windows that seem to never end and crash my browser. The other one that I want to see is .divx so that I know where to get my ripped videos now that Scour is dead. A .linux would rule.
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" dot-com is main street Slicon Valley and Wall Street [ny/ny] combined. Any other
dot-ohheckimtoolateoricantaffordthedotcom has minute survival chances in a market that is hooked on
dot-com. "
So, dot net doesn't mean anything to you?
Commerce via the telephone has not died out;
and relatively few telephone-based businesses
use mnemonics for their phone numbers. Why is
name dot com so important? If it were not for
the finite resource of the IP address (forcing
many web domains to share them, now and more so
in the near future), we could happily go to numeric addressing. The high profile that DNS
gets today could shift to directory services.
It's already such a mess that you can't ever assume a company's name dot com is the address
for that company. And there are many whose coporate site does not even host the sales and
support site, so, all this hype is over something
that's not even as useful as it could be.
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I finally got it through my head that the business world sees the internet as nothing more than virtual real estate. These new TLDs are nothing more than an attempt at creating some new prime real estate. It's not that unlike finding a cheap space out in some remote mountain range and building a ski resort. Will people come? I won't holding my breath. The companies behind the new TLDs will reap rewards from the companies that feel they must cover their bases and register within all TLDs. Whether new names are started within the new TLDs will depend on whether the TLD actually provides some value. If a TLD offers legitimacy to a site then people will use it but I suspect greed will prevail and the real value won't surface.
It seems to me that most of these TLDs are way too specific. I mean how many sites are going to use the .aero or .museum TLDs? It might be a fairly large number but nothing compared to the number of .coms out there. If the intent was to ease up on the abuse of .com .net and .org they are going about it all the wrong way.
Oh yeah and .biz sounds silly too.
unless there is some group that can be milked(lower class, middle class zombies, third world captives(economic refugies if they could), capitalism morphs towards socialism
If you can't afford $2,000, there will always be companies that will sell you a "third level" domain name for much less. For instance, I can register something like johnscanoes.com or for less money, I can go to a company like DreamHost and get johnscanoes.dreamhost.com for much less.
.biz might cause a resurgence of the "internet mall" idea...lots of small commercial operations all running of a similarly themed .biz domain name....like canoes.biz screwdrivershop.biz, etc.
In fact, the high price tag of
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I agree. .biz exclusive is a valid attempt at getting some meaningful association back to the TLD. .biz TLD will have any negative impact for the up-and-coming corporate behemoth. .biz TLD will provide more standards with regards to domain names, and this is something the .com/.net/.org TLD's were intended for, but not having restrictions/requirements have totally obliterated that hope.
Having
As far as giving unfair advantages to the larger corporations (as another response posted), and putting up another wall in front of the small-time entrepaneur, I don't think that would be the case. Do you discriminate between who you'll make your next online purchase from by TLD? I highly doubt not having the
However, the
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The result is that large, evil corporations will now have their own TLDs, which is supposed to separate them from the "unprofessional" non- or semi-commercial parts of the web.
The normal users, however, might actually see things differently: They might prefer the non-biz, non-pro parts of the web. I for one would surely not like to see slashdot.biz.
Well, at least now we know why Esther Dyson was at this year's Bilderberg meeting.
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Yeah, right. You the people can't even figure out how to punch ballots correctly and require "Caution: contents are hot" on coffee cups. Slashdotters might figure it out, but somehow I think resolving multiple identical trademarks is beyond the reach of the average person.
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No, it doesn't, really. If Slashdot is TM'd, it is protected under the law. It doesn't need UDRP (which is terribly flawed), but it can stop anyone else from using the name in any TLD or any media, for that matter, except legitimate "fair use." It would be less likely that someone who has "slashdot.not" and is using it as a criticism or parody site would have a problem. However, if someone used slashdot.biz, that's probably infringement.
Anyone with a TM or "common mark" has protection under law. It depends upon "use." With UDRP it depends upon greed.
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If you think you can, you're right. If you think you can't, you're also right.
it's funny, do the /. readers/posters only hate FUD when put out by a certain unmentionable company?
/. wouldn't be the same without these conspiracy theorists hard at work.
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is because they are protected by the government.
No they are protected by governments (plural). Problem is that there is one country which dislikes using it's geographic TLD. Whilst coka-cola.us (or even coka-cola.un) might legitimatly indicate a registered tradmark coka-cola.com/coka-cola.net/coca-cola.org/etc clearly does not.
Why is it scary?
Well think about it. If someone has 1800Flowers.com trademarked do you think a FTD can have 1800flowers.biz?
.com for you, blocking the space from being easily found. So why a new space?
.com, .net, .org & .gov. by mapping back to .us space. Then allowing those that at truely belong some where else like .com.ca to move there with money returned. Then if IBM or COKE want the .IBM or .COKE tld then they can pay for it.
.biz from getting or keeping their URL.
.com - in effect we already have it.
The new TLD do not add any new name space. Browsers like IE will try the www.
The only real solution is to drop
Remember trademarks and public confusion will block most all
Oh and you think the have a few million tld is going to be hard on the main servers... Think again. With the explosion of
Well it can depend. If you go to college and it is an accredited school, does that make you more of a .pro than one that isnt accredited? I know you can get your PHD in computer science on ebay, so for that $30 then am I able to be an owner of a .pro?
I find the idea of one company running the show like this alot worse than any other way of doing it.
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If you go to college and it is an accredited school, does that make you more of a .pro than one that isnt accredited? I know you can get your PHD in computer science on ebay, so for that $30 then am I able to be an owner of a .pro? I find the idea of one company running the show like this alot worse than any other way of doing it.
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Why would a single big company want .biz?
.com of thier choice and add to that trademark laws. It there for thier taking.
Think and think hard - they won't!!
Here is why - They already have the
.biz is dead! and so are the new tld. They are not in the publics mind and won't be.
There is no new real estate.
This seems like a critical issue to me. Do you have a URL with more info? How long is the lock? Is there a procedure for booting a registrar that does a bad job? For applying to be a competing registrar within the same TLD? It seems really stupid to go around giving out monopolies on particular TLDs. I mean --duh-- competition is what makes capitalism work.
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I think the exact opposite. The internet is a global thing, and countries are only relevant if the services of a particular domain are targeted solely at one country.
.mil, .gov and .edu should be moved to .us, because these are implicitly US-only (I can't find the New Zealand government websites on nz.gov, it's at .gov.nz)
.com, .net, and .org are international domains.
.com gets more and more saturated, .com itself will naturally split into subdomains, run by whoever owns the domain, and competing amongst themselves by price and services (It's already happening, really). These subdomains may not be as prestigious as straight .coms, but they will do the job, and as more of them appear, they will gain acceptance.
I think
But
There is no _problem_ with DNS. It may be getting slightly less useful than it once was, but it's still a million times better than its predecessors: telephone numbers (Semi-random string of digits), and street addresses (Semi-random string of digits, followed by semi-random street name).
I see no reason there shouldn't be hundreds of TLDs, but if there aren't, it's not the end of the world. As
And will a tld like .biz really mean extra space? Costing what
they do, mostly established companies and companies with a bunch of cash will buy domain names. These same companies will already own the same .com name or buy it at
the same time. While it is technically extra space, I think we will mostly see the same names registered to both .com and .biz.
.com and a .biz domain mutually exclusive. Allow a period of time for migration, but if after that they don't give up one of them they lose both (and must may twice the cost of the most expensive to get either one of them back.)
There is a simple solution. However it is probably not politically correct to ICANN. That is to make ownership of a
Sorry, that won't work.
Make that rule, and you'll find that every corporation spins off a new division, separately incorporated, to hold the .biz domain. Or you'll find brother-of-owner holding the .biz domain. And so on.
You just can't map domains on a one-to-one basis with domain holders. In business, it's not always simple to determine where one ownership leaves off and the other begins.
DNS is doomed. It has to many flaws that make it unsuited for the task at hand:
- DNS is being used at the moment as a search engine. It has no proper search criteria and attributes, though.
- It is not secured against spoofing. Anybody can easily set up arbitrary adresses or inject fake entries into the current system.
- It does not handle Unicode properly at all. Instead a number of workarounds with hideous character encodings are proposed.
- Also, the current system of maintaining the namespace is hosed.
What we really need is a viable, worldwide directory service as an alternative to DNS, and as a preinstalled default in major operating systems. LDAP has the potential. Check it out.
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1. The people reading and participating in this topic seem very interested in new domains.
2. *Quite* a few of those people are getting to the domains supported by the ORSC Root Zone just fine this weekend. :) Speaking for my sites, anyway........
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One thing that invalidates this argument is foreign companies. Now who would run the background check to see if company from, for example, Ukraine, has been working for a long time and is legitimate business? Otherwise what you get is just an expensive domain that doesn't give you any "protection" against 5-days-lifespan companies.
.pro would end up as any other domain. Would they run a check on out-of-the-US diploma to see if it's real "pro" or what? And what about IT professionals. Are they pro?
.edu than arguing if this or that museum is good enough for the domain.
And
All these new domains are somewhat useless IMHO. I'd rather put museums under
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does anyone here NOT think Coca-Cola will register coke.xxxx in all of them
I. If you think about it, why bother? They own the trademark, so all they need is one person to complain in order to declare marketplace confusion and rip the domain from what is almost certainly a squatter's hands. The squatter can try to fight it, but will likely lose at the cost of many thousands in legal fees. I wouldn't take take any trademark.TLD even if it were given to me for free.
How many companies that aren't ISPs are network providers have .net for example?
I'm sure a lot do. I know I do, but I got subsume.net (a year and a half after my subsume.com registration) because I consider .net to be useful for not just ISPs, but any company that provides network/back-end processing services. I use subsume.com when people need to talk to people, and I use subsume.net when machines need to talk to machines. I have no intention of registering in any other TLD because none of the proposed ones offer any kind of logical value.
Mom-and-pop operations registering global .com names. Multinationals registering every
one of their product names as a *.com.
Movie titles as domain names. All these things
suck.
What's needed is
- Better use of
.cc domains (you
merkins have .us. Use it!)
- More use of subdomains (moviename.studioname.com)
- Limitation on number of domains
per registrant.
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Well think about it. If someone has 1800Flowers.com trademarked do you think a FTD can have 1800flowers.biz?
.com, .net, .org & .gov. by mapping back to .us space.
.com. That is companies which operate internationally. There is no such situation with .gov, since there is already a .un TLD. There might be a very small number of legitimate .edu, probably mostly in Easten Europe...
If they trademark were registered in a sane part of the world then they probably could, but couldn't have 1800Flowers.com.biz. It's simply a question of what the trademark is and if such a tradmark would meet the criteria for registration in the first place.
The only real solution is to drop
There is a rump of legitimate
When I registered a domain name for my employer (a Canadian software developer for the health care market) I looked into registering a .ca domain, but this was impossible because the Canadian government has restricted .ca's to registered corporations with
branch offices in two or more provinces.
..ca reasonably sensible. IMHO the problem isn't so much that you couldn't get a name in .ca, but that anyone could. As opposed to the Canadian corporations having something like .co.ca, .com.ca, .corp.ca, etc.
So instead you could have
Well, that and the fact that they sell more software than anyone else.....
Blaming guns for crime is like blaming keyboards for first posters. More Guns != More Crime
Last week during the ICANN annual meeting in Los Angeles, little known ORSC made huge inroads into the core of the ICANN Monopoly. Representatives of The Open Root Server Confederation were on hand converting and convincing hundreds of key ICANN attendees that the ICANN Legacy Root's days were numbered. Immediately following the meeting, many influencial organizations and individuals - including one ICANN board member - swithced to the ORSC root, which provides for an inclusive name space of more than just the usual com/net/org Intenet users have come to be more familiar with. Top-Level Domains (TLDs) such as .BIZ, .WOMEN, .LIST, and .NEWS count for only a few of the litterally dozens available in the ORSC Inclusive Name Space that has existed long before ICANN.
Dr. Vint Cerf, challenged other board members and stymied attempts to award .WEB to an ICANN applicant because Image Online Design Inc. had, "An Operational Registry" resolved by the ORSC Root system.
Although the board agreed to further negotiations with JVTeam with regards to admitting .BIZ into their Legacy root, it is unlikely that such an event could ever occur given the fact that the Atlantic Root Network Inc. has been accepting registrations for the five year old domain.
Information on ORSC can be found at http://www.open-rsc.org while registration information for .BIZ is available at http://www.biztld.net
So foul a sky clears not without a storm - Shakespeare -
Yup. Microsoft.pro.
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I think its just stupid. In all of the reccomended domains, I thought that 2 were really intelligent and good suggestions:
.xxx
.xxx, that would just sort things out a bit. As far as reducing .com congestion, .web would be perfect. Sure, alot of bigger companies would register .web equivalents of their .com's, its not a permanent solution, but it would definately help. Alot of the other ones that just havent worked have a reason...
.web and
If all newly registered adult oriented sites were forced to use
.ws, even though it was a ccTLD, was advertised by register.com as standing for WebSite. It would be good, but think about it phonetically:
"Oh, im at kickassdomain.double-you ess" or "Im at kickassdomain.com"
Some poeple done think so, but being able to say a domain easily (without having to spell or indicate hyphens) is a big thing. Thats why sites that have done things like www.ita.ly (i think thats one) are annoying, because you have to explain that one for about 5 minutes before someone gets it right...
Oh well, ICANN is stupid, i guess we have to accept that.
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I heard a commercial on the radio today about the .tv TLD. I had not heard of this before, especially from this site (except as speculation).
You can now get one from, appropriately, www.tv. The prices generally seem reasonable, expect for special cases, where they get ridiculous.
I was surprised. How did Slashdot miss this one?
...It'll discourage all these crafty types that nab all the good names before anyone else. Although I do still agree that ICANN are pricing themselves out of the market.
For a fresh, minty, low-fat alternative, may I suggest supporting OpenNIC (go to http://www.opennic.unrated.net)
interestingly enough, these sound a lot like the types of restrictions that CIRA used to have for the .ca TLD. The rules have since been broadened to allow for more of a .com approach.
..p
Too late. The horse is already outside the barn. Dot-com is the Kikkoman of domain names and I wouldn't want to do .biz-ness with any company that hasn't had the foresight to reserve their .com.
:) ). I mean when "telefunken-u47.com", "elvisconspiracy.com", and "liquorinthefront.com" are all taken, can the end of civilization be far behind?
IMHO the system is foobar... I feel sorry for folks trying to think up new company names, or who are a little late to the Internet biz (oops, I said it
Luxury domain names should have been reserved years ago, and the extra revenue (if any) used to fund IP multicast research or something useful...
Okay, what about a .extortion TLD. Especially for the forward-thinking, proactive domain name pimps.
t ion sounds good enough to me.
Yeah, NetworkSolutions.a.division.of.verisign.inc.extor
I'm sorry to say I don't have a specific URL offhand, but read some of the most recent articles on it. I know I read that part in just the past few days on the net. Slashdot, The Register, Wired, CNet, and Yahoo are the only sites where I would have read it. I just reread a Wired article earlier tonight where they allude to this.
jX [ Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. - Einstein ]
Who exactly is fragmenting the net? The
If I decide one day I'm sick of spam from Taiwan and take
To this end if some people want to support alternative root systems (as at least one ICANN board member does by running the ORSC root zone) is it really any of your business if he can see more domains than you can?
Big brother is not watching me. I'm sorry if that bothers you.
Who do we talk to around here to point http://slash.dot and http://slash.news at this site? If anybody can figure that out send mail to Simon@higgs.com.
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Actually there are sone alternative, private NICs, but they only function when administrators add their DNS-es to the network querries - and then only for users of that particular network.
So, the Australian mob that operates one of those setups [name and url withheld] is basically a ripppp offff. As is everyone else that runs a non-ICANN authorized system.
<i>If almost no one is allowed to use them, the general consumer will likely be unaware that they exist</i><P>
That's a good point. There are a LOT of people out there that don't realise that the dot-us TLD exists simply because no-one uses it.
I don't see the fucking point.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
Well, you could argue that the UUCP network was a grassroots effort. Until 1994 it was larger than the TCP/IP connected internet. Napster? Hmmmm....
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Where do Wired get their figures from?? According to this article in The Age , and the actual proposal document at ICANN (see Section II.2.2 for the proposed revenue model and the pricing structure), the fee charged for the .biz TLD will be approximately $US5.00.
Bit of a difference to $US2000. What's going on?? Were they looking at the wrong bid?
Oh, it doesn't break the rules. But it is a joke. Watch the presdent's analist some time (a good movie). I wasn't involved with the naming, but I talked to the folks who did it. Hell, UUNET wan't a phone compony at the time, it was all that much more amusing to me then.
No, a quite dead project. But still intresting.
Er, unless this is a new use of TPC.INT, the original use was FAXing. Drat, now that I read your RFC that's not the one. Try RFC 1528, 1529, and 1530, and also www.tpc.int...whih of corse claims to be not currently dead. But the history section says it was dead in 1994, which is what I recall.
Come on, my tiny little consulting company (one guy) could afford a .biz domain. I am no 800lb gorilla.
One of the problems with slashdot is that everyone here thinks like a poor student... Oh wait...
-josh
while I honestly believe that the Australian system is too restrictive [whatever happened to peer groups, fan sites, etc?], I do get your point and it might make sense to adopt something like that for purely commercial TLDs, as long as other TLDs are also available.
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However, regarding your claim that nobody can register a similar name, once you registered a business [trading as], that is not entirely correct. If you register Blue Couch in Sydney, then I can't register it in the same state [ie. NSW], but can just jump over to Canberra {ACT] and
register it there.
Furthermore, if you register it as a shop name in Sydney and if your business is resoably expected to be limited to the Sydney area, then I register a similar name, with a slight alteration [say, Blue Couch Furniture, Blue Couch Restaurant,
in the next town.
On top of that, if I register more or less the same name for a completely different type of business [say you do software, I do catering] and neither of us are 'reasonably likely' to ever infringe on each other's customers, then I will also get away with it.
The spirit of the rule, ie. the meaning or the essence, is that similar names can not serve as a tool to deceive customers. Within those broad guidelines, it's very much at the discretion of the Department of Fair Trading if they allow me to register the same or a very similar name. And that comes down to going to a Department of Fair Trading outlet and flirting with the girl that enters the applications into the computer [well, in Lismore they are mostly Ladies...].
Also, in my opinion, the main reason why there is not much of a rush on ccTLDs is simply because they are considered provincial - with dot.com being the top choice for everyone.
If that was not the case, theen Australian squatters would be likely to register Business names like nuts [which is pretty simple and staright forward] and then get the domain names anyway. After all, there is no rule that a company can not trade under infinite numbers of names [our Company has 16 lines of business and a different trading name for each].
It is also incorrect, that consumers can easily find out who is the operator of a site using the company registry. Firstly, Business Names are registered on a state level, while Companies are incorporated on federal level;
Secondly, a company [like ours] could register trading names for customers whose sites it hosts, for the sole purpose of obtaining the customer's domain name. So, while our company shows up as the owner of the Business Name, it does not claim to own or operate the business per say.
Our hosting contracts clearly exclude any type of involvement of our behalf in the day to day business and the site owners are fully liable.
However, due to fancy Australian privacy laws, we have to actually ask the site owner on a case to case base if we are permitted to diclose his or her identity and/or location when customers ask for it.
So, it boils down to the fact that the Australian system [like so often] seems to be smart on the surface but acts counterproductive, by making it too complicated for small people to get involved, while at the same permitting sharks and trash to find piles of loopholes that permit them to use the system against itself...
Why else would our company have left it's main base of business and registered elsewhere, pratically abolishing jobs and training for Australians?
Here's my solution...
.us should be created for each...
.com/etc domains created under .com.us/etc. I guess we have to let them keep their exiting domains though 8-(
1) Sale of all subdomains of these TLDs should be halted
2) Subdomains of
3) Existing
3) Leave it upto the naming authorities in each geographics TLD as to which subdomains they wish to create/for what price etc.
This is how it *should* have been from the start... nice and clean... like any good filesystem/home directory 8-)
Si
ps. No... I'm not joking... fair play to the yanks for coming up with this Internet malarkey, but these domains are a pants idea.
By your logic, since guns on their own don't do anything, shouldn't that be something like
"more people using guns = less crime"?Of course if you actually did phrase it that way it would conjure up images of people running around shooting, which would work against your argument.
Pete
What exactly will it take to allow anyone to have any name they choose? Why does ICANN wield the power they do? /etc/services?
Is it all down to
Or is it that the owner of a top-level nameserver machine effectively gets to set the rules?
I know I'm not the first to make this observation, but for something as decentralized as the web, ICANN and its associated technology appears to be a complete non sequitur.
Does Anyone remember when the internet was not commercially focused, when it was about making actual information available? It may just be me, but it struck me that the whole focus of ICANN seems to be not so much how to regulate the domainspace, but how to generate more cash out of it. I would be *so* happy to see the development of an entirely non-commercial internet where I could go to seek bona-fide information free of advertisements, commercial interests, etc.
I have developed and maintained my own website (Omphalos - The Directory & Search Engine for Paganism & Witchcraft) and expanded it to provide a wide variety of information on its subjects, and it has a growing audience (~40,000 page views per month). I have done so without any thought of making a profit from the site. My only purpose is to try to provide some useful information to others out there who might be interested in the topics covered by my website. There are many other websites out there which have the same purpose and their developers have put the same sort of time into their sites as I have into mine I am sure. We are all being lost in a sea of increasing commercialization on the web. I regularly see the assumption made that if you are on the web, and own your own domain you are naturally doing so for the purpose of making money and therefore can naturally afford the costs associated with any new requirements that spring up. When renewal time for Omphalos.net rolls around I can certainly afford the $75 required, but not if they were allowed to raise the rate to $2000. Can anyone see NSI claiming that since .biz domains go for $2000 they ought to be able to raise the rate on .com domains? I can. Therefore, I fear that it might not be all that long before the relentless drive to turn a quick buck might drive me out of my own domain space entirely.
And yes, I should probably register Omphalos.info as soon as I can, but what will it cost me?
"The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
What's so bad about TLD's which require a special fee or an 'owning' organization that can do what they want with it.
.com domain, e.g. .pro might be considered like .pro.com. If someone would obtain .pro.dom, you would also have to be subject to their rules in order to get subdomains.
.com or .org domains by one (such as aero.org becomes .aero). It's not a big deal, as long as the good old .com/.org remain with their current easy rules/cost.
IMO these new TLD's are like a
For me, the new TLD's is like lifting the level of some
So ICANN *wants* to be in the position of accounting for what fields of work involve are of the right class or caste to be deemed "professional" ? and stick their nose into what counts as a real business? in 200 countries?
.edu is offensive enough, imho.
Sounds suicidal to me. Hasn't the brouhaha around intellectual property rights over names kept them busy enough?
Rad
ourpla.net is your planet
I know plenty of people who have registered .EDU domains without being an accredited 4-year institution
NO you dont. Perioud.
May I also suggest OpenNIC as a democratic alternative to ICANN.
Granted that Im drunk right now, I still say that this is a load of shit. These guys are basically saying that you have no right to identify yourself a certain way because there was a lot of money invested in creating a certain brand name or a certain business like association to a name. Well fuck that, if these guys think that they can tell me what is a legitimate business over what is not, i say fuck that. We the people should be the ones who decide what is acceptable or not. We should have votes on who gets what name. If only a small sect of people are deciding for us, then what you really have is an ogilopoly, fuck that. Its for this reason, I urge people to start the Peer to Peer internet.. Thats the only way to secure our freedom and to create our own domain name system. Fight the power. oVer and Out bitch -= Griffis =-
$2000 and a $150 fee is peanuts to any real business.
.biz domain might end up doing is help consumers tell the difference between real businesses and flim-flam artists.
.pro domain. You won't have a bunch of quacks running their operations there.
.com domains quickly have as much credibility as Usenet posts??
What the
The same will be very true of the
Seems like a positive improvement to me. Will
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Does anyone actually have a Java program designed to control air traffic, or for the operation of a nuclear facility?
What do more TLDs do? - Someone already has the domain name you want? Sometimes people or businesses have the same name which is possible in real life but not as an internet domain name. I hope it's obvious that more TLDs doesn't solve this. This is only a problem because outside of the internet many different people and businesses have the same name. Should we try to force people to pick different names or make the internet allow 2 things to have the same name? Your only other option is to have some entities have different internet names than their real names. In some cases this isn't fair nor is it feasible but I don't feel it should be ICANNs job. - Expensive entry fee into .biz? This is an attempt to quench squatting? Even if .biz names get a reputation of being the 'good' businesses it will only make them more desirable and prevent squatting on the ones that are judged as being in low demand that someone probably only ends paying a few thousand to the squatter anyway. Instead their few thousand will go to the registrar.
- Are the extra domains supposed to add at least some categorizing to the sites they access? It seems many posts here are suggesting many fine additions to the categories. Heck, take it one step further and let the businesses themselves register categories (which anyone could then include themselves in). It seems like it's heading this way. As people have pointed out, registered sites don't always keep to their category (Like .edu not being schools)
I think I have a better idea. I don't care if they add more TLDs but I think they should combine the naming domains. That would mean if nike.com is registered you can't register nike.org or nike.net. So really you just register for domain nike rather than for them all. This way nike doesn't have to worry about that guy that owns nike.net (which just has the default Apache page and redhat on it) Since ICANN seems to want the TLD to be a category indicator Nike could then change their category indicator if they wanted (or actually automatically have access to them all). The category indicator can then be migrated out of the site name and into its domain record. This record could have some data added to it and eventually turn DNS into an open searchable database by category and extra info.
I admit that the category indicator wouldn't be any more effective than TLDs are now but at least it would separate the problem from the domain name itself.
This seems like the perfect system to actually free up many of the domain names used now. Limit .com to actual commerical entities, .net to actual ISPs and the like, .org to actual organizations...and then create another TLD for everything else, free of trademarking disputes and the like. I'm surprised that trademark considerations haven't been mentioned with the new TLDs, considering the fact that Dr. Joe Ford can now acquire ford.pro...
Visit the
$2000 is way over the odds. I don't know about the States, but in the UK I think it costs between £50-£100 to register a company name with Companies House, or whatever the appropriate body is. How does ICANN justify charging 10 times as much for an Internet version?
Man... that's crappy.
It's like saying to potential homebuyers, "Sorry, only lawyers and doctors can live on this street. You'll have to live in the part of town for regular folks."
Too bad its not like the election. .coop!" .pro!" .web!"
imagine this:
"hey pete, did you find that ballot confusing? i think i may have voted to propose
"yeah steve, i think i may have voted to add
"...and i found ballots stuffed behind the chairmans chair for
"Lets get Kathlene Harris in here..."
Make that rule, and you'll find that every corporation spins off a new division, separately incorporated, to hold the .biz domain. Or you'll find brother-of-owner holding the .biz domain. And so on.
.com domain straight away.)
Which will be expensive for the corporation, especially since all of the most obvious kinds of evasion would immediatly place them in breach of contract. (i.e. they'd loose their
...that are the reason why small businesses struggle during their first years of operations. I run a LEGITIMATE business online and off, and I resent your comments. There ARE other people in the world besides Oracle, Nike, and Pepsi, and just because we aren't known world-wide doesn't mean that we are flim-flam artists.
.biz until they lower those fees.
$2000 up front IS a lot of money for most small businesses, especially those just starting up (like mine) Nevermind the fact that it's tax-deductible, it's still a steep fee and I am sure it's just another way for INTERNIC and others to capitalize on other businesses' success. I am for real, I work hard, and I spend my advertising budget in places that will give me the most bang for my buck. That is why I'll never be a
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I can see through this exactly. A bunch of large companies using government controls to create an elite version of the internet. THEY DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT MY WEBSITE LOOKS LIKE THEIR $3 MILLION SITE. They need a way to keep the small peeps out. They will then vilify the .com addresses as a place where fraud and abuse occur. Only the new domains are the *safe* place to be. Watch and see.
I don't think it will matter how many TLDs they come out with. Everyone will just register their name in all of them (corporations will anyway). If there are 16 available TLDs, does anyone here NOT think Coca-Cola will register coke.xxxx in all of them (plus coca-cola.xxxx, diet-coke.xxxx, etc.)? The .pro sounds like a step in the right direction, but I seriously doubt they will care too much if you have the cash. How many companies that aren't ISPs are network providers have .net for example?
Jason
"FORMAT C:" - Kills bugs dead!
.com .edu .gov .org where created when the web we know today was still an excludive network centered in the US.
The "web" was created at CERN. Which whilst an international organisation lives under the Swizz TLD.
Even if you mean the "net" that didn't stay a US only entity for very long.
Maybe read the whole thing.
.edu .gov .org where created when the web we know today was still an excludive network centered in the US.
.com .edu .gov .org back to the US for which they came, opens up the naming tree.
.com and frees up space. Second for LARGE International Corps - IBM, TRW, COKE they can now register TLD for after themself.
.gov should be used for the UN is the goverment of Earth will be hot debated, under a different /. thread.
.un is there because of the base problem of when the web was created.
.com
today the web is not a US owned and operated network. It is time to leave that paradyne and move on.
by mapping the
First, Non US companys will register in their own countries, which shortens the branches in the
This would allow for true international companies to have themself as their base - protecting their trademark or indentity in all countries. Regional companies and people can have regional. and soon.
Now wheater
I tend to agree with you, but putting museums into .edu really doesn't solve the problem of deciding whether this or that museum is "good enough" because the .edu requirements are extremely strict -- you have to be a US four-year degree granting institution to get into .edu. (I, like most H.P. Lovecraft fans, have always thought that setting up a fake web site for Miskatonic University under miskatonic.edu would be cool, but currently that's not possible)
and you know that it would irk microsoft to have to pay for something like
www.microsoft.fnord
www.microsoft.sucks
www.microsoft.myboyfriend
etc.
the possibilities are endless
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Register yours today you could be the next:
I think ... in sence of all fairness.... ..... But at lease it would be fair..
That there should be somekind of random url creators...
Software that just creats randomly urls.
It would be fair, and noone (or everyone) would complain
As my OS prof always says:"Fairness is very important."
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The
Being outside the ICANN/US Government system means it's not subject to dangerous foolishness like the horribly flawed UDRP and silly-assed "sunrise" provision.
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Your saying god is behind all this?????
Wow.... you make him sound like a capitalist...
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1. Kids aren't a big moneymaking audience on the 'net just yet. As you've already noticed, these TLDs aren't designed to make more sense out of the 'net, they're designed to make more money out of it.
2. Same for porn sites... they generally come and go. I imagine being a registrar for a porn site is about as lucrative as being a merchant account provider -- great if the site does well, a big loss if it doesn't (and might even open you to lawsuits).
Just when you thought it couldn't get any more commercialized. ;)
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Porn sites generate more money from the net than just about anything else. I, for one, would love to control the .xxx domain, speaking from an unscroupulous monpolistic point of view anyway.
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to do about it? If you have a vision for a TLD and the way it should be run then get some people, some machines, write or borrow some software and deploy the thing. Code talks, bullshit walks.
When you get your TLD up send me the glue records at hostmaster@open-rsc.org.
Need Mercedes parts ?
Huh? I certainly hope not. One
If almost no one is allowed to use them, the general consumer will likely be unaware that they exist, and continue in their
Good. Excellent. The consumer can go watch tv, surf a few pr0n sites, www.nextlamehollywoodmovie.com and then maybe (probably) land on a site giving him the chance to WIN 1,000,000$ BY FILLING OUT OUR SURVEY!
.com already has that covered. Now, what about the rest of us? Are we doomed to look for needles in the
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Not a stupid Idea. You just need to pay attention. :) The ORSC root zone is just such a root server system. The only thing you have to do is look at it (point to it) and that's as simple as going to http://www.youcann.org (or >http://www.youcann.here if you have already upgraded your DNS) and follow the instructions.
Here's the real situation, though. There already IS a .BIZ! It's been there for years and has an online registration system. What is happening right now is that ICANN is proposing to adopt a TLD that is already operating. THAT is what will cause a collision and we don't want that.
There are root systems out there that anyone can point to and see all the TLDs if they choose. The only difference is that ORSC and others carry MORE TLDs than the legacy root (ICANN). You get MORE to choose from.
Eventually, you will see more and more ISP's pointing to ORSC, Superroot, PacificRoot, etc. They all carry "the rest of the internet" and don't restrict you to just the com/net/org/edu and whatever few new ones DoC might allow.
If you support the idea that the internet should be open to all, then you support ORSC, whether you realize it or not.
.BIZ names are $6.00 and there are others like .ONLINE, .ETC, .NOT, .CORP, .NOMAD, ... Some are even free.
There's a catch, though... you can't transfer it. You register it and it's yours to use, period.
Now, think about this, okay? If ICANN does include an existing TLD in their root and ignores the fact that this is a live, operating registry... what happens? Should we challenge ICANN? Should we disenfranchise our domain name holders and just let it go away (nope)? Should ICANN be allowed to fragment the net? Should any of us just take something that belongs to someone else? Does prior use mean anything at all?
Remember...ORSC has been there for years... .BIZ has been there since 1995. There are people who are counting on it being there...
Let me know what you think. Meanwhile check it out at >http://www.biztld.net or >http://www.biztld.biz if you decide to upgrade your DNS. :)
Now, forget the word "alternate" okay? The legacy root is widely known, but is not the only one, nor is it any better or stronger or more reliable than others... It's just another root - the beginning of the dns experiment. The more distributed roots that get together and cooperate, the stronger the internet. Key words COOPERATE and RESPECT.
If you conclude that it's good to have an open internet with many choices, then point to the ORSC rootzone and write to ICANN and DoC to support it. Suggest strongly that duplicating an existing TLD string will only cause a collision. That is why Vint Cerf was against awarding .WEB to Afilias. .WEB already exists and does resolve in the ORSC rootzone. :) It's still there and isn't going away.
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Basically what I am saying is that we the people should be our own regulators. We don't need the government reulating what is legit or not, we the people are smart enough to do this thing on our own. Free intellectual property. Let the people decide what is a legitimate source of binary data over what is not. We are not kids anymore dammit, the government should give us this right. To not give us this right is an offense to our intelligence not to mention to the progress of the democratic world.
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Your comment about the numbers of IP being finite and people 'having' to share IPs is not entirely correct.
Firstly, as more and more providers adopt IPv6, the number of available IPs is in the high three-digit billions.
Secondly, many hosting service providers prefer to host several sites under shared IPs simply because that is cheper for them. IPs cost money, after all.
In our case, we even allocate individual IPs to subdomains we host- but then, that's us, and we are privately held with no interest whatsoever in an IPO.
About your assumption of me not valuing dotnet domains:
- it's not that much what we want or value, it's what the customer expects after everybody has drummed dotcom into him or her.
You might have noticed that we are dotnet, because when we first started we felt that as service proder we are dotnet - and we have regretted it ever since. The poeple who own the dotcom and dotorg are pushing us to give them the dotnet and we are trying to get the dotorg from them for a planned community project.
The reason why we settled for Cyberica in the first place, instead of the more logical CyberFrontier, is that some idiot had forgotten to pay the fees and someone else grabbed the dotcom, for no other apparent reason than being nasty.
http://www.biztld.net/
This does lead to peace of mind. For anyone that does online buying, there is always the chance that you will be had by some .com. You have no idea where they live, or who to turn to with a complaint. With this system however, the only way to get a .biz/.pro is if you've got the documentation to proove it. Thus, you know who to take your complaint. The .ie domain has been run like this since the start I think (although it is due to change to a more .com status), and this has been its biggest plus. However not everyone is happy about it.
It's nice that it gives an idea of what a domain is about, not too helpful otherwise, epecially if they cost extra.
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The ICANN board wanted multiple, DIFFERENT models for the domains they approved. .info is the open one, while .museum and .coop both got good marks because there's a definite international organization that wishes to stand behind them with the approval stamp, like today's .edu and .gov.
.name and .biz models are true experiments.
The battle between "chartered" and "open" models has been ongoing for years, and there was no way we wouldn't have both kinds.
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I can that in years from now that the the cost for your domain will be similar to the cost of maintaining your house. e-RealEstate.
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If they are trying to get a little more orginazation into the shipwreck we now call the web, that's not such a bad thing. I think charging businesses more money for something (a .biz) that they probably dont even want won't encourage anything other then a good laugh from a CFO and a web team.
.com which is commercially viable or should we take a risk and be one of the first .biz's (which might not even take off) for 2 G's more?"
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The .BIZ registry is here: http://www.biztld.net/
TPC.INT anyone?
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What are they smoking? They're creating a .coop but no .intern? I'm shocked.
If that's the case, then how long is ICANN going to study the response (which I think probably will (or should :) be negative) before having a next round of name declarations?
Alternately, what about the possibility of going around DNS? Are there any alternative systems that could be opened up? I seem to remember one called X-something-or-other, but damn if Google won't show it to me with that... :)
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Up front, I think ICANN has a tough job trying to please everyone. The logical result of such an attempt is that ICANN will never please anyone.
So, no matter what they do, nobody will ever be satisfied.
Next, new TLDs in any shape or form are useless.
The name of the game is dot-com.
dot-com is main street Slicon Valley and Wall Street [ny/ny] combined. Any other dot-ohheckimtoolateoricantaffordthedotcom has minute survival chances in a market that is hooked on dot-com.
Therefore, all new TLDs will only result in a land-grab of imbeciles and in money burning from doomed start-ups.
Would you do business with a company that doesn't have a dot-com? Maybe to buy chewing gum [caffeine] or an auction, well if it's cheap, you might. But would you buy thousands of dollars woth of goods from someone that can't be bothered to buy their dotcom domain?
Would you trust an online service provider or consultant that doesn't have his/her dotcom? Just how valuable could that service be, if the provider didn't even have the foresight to secure his/her dotcom?
So, who would take a domain, like say, dotbiz?
People who can't afford the dotcom, right? Why would I want do business with them? If they were reliable and successful, then the owner of the dotcom would have sued them out of their dotbiz by now, claiming 'prior art' and bad business practice.
Further, there are so much more dotcom domains available than meets the eye. heck, there are over 400 languages in use on the planet and the English name space is coming up with creative new terms [i-this, e-that, 1-more, 2-less, 1-4-u, etc.] on a regular base. So by adding new domain names, thgis creativity would be stifled for a short while, until everyone realizes that new TLDs didn't solve a problem, but created severl. Then we'll all be back to inventing new words and phrases like i_1_2_yell.com. Apart from that English is probably the language that assimilates new and foreign language words the easiest.
So, we are unlikely rto really ever run out of dotcom names.
Of course, the no-brainer names for people who have problems to articulate in their first language will be incresing in price on an ongoing base. But so what? Does it affect anyone here if someone makes a gazillion for iknewitfirst-dot-com? Aren't most people just pissed off that they didn't do it themselves, when they hear about a cybersquatter making a killing?
I think, there should be laws against taking someones dotcom brand and registering similar names only to sell it back to the original owner.
Remember the first guys that registered a go2...-dotcom? I think they should own the rights to all domain names that have a go2 in them. They had the idea first and should have the right to claim 'prior art'.
But they can't, because they are a bunch of young techies that had no idea what gold-mine their idea could be. Then came Go2Networks, snapped them all up, sold out to Disney and recently the people who can demonstrate that they registered the first ever domain name that had go2 in it received a letter from WIPO...
So, coming full circle, while Slashdotters love to trash issues, it seems that most of them miss the point. Copyrights, Open Source, Domain names, Legal system, they all fit in the same catgory - "things to be urgently reviewed"
While I do not share the script kiddies' hostility towards ICANN/M$/Business/their-mum, I do think that ICANN completely missed the picture [again]as well and tried to solve a problem that didn't really exist by isolating incidents and studying them in an artificial surrounding - the best recipe for questionable scientific results.
Instead of yelling and raining mayhem, Slashdotters should have combined forces and mailed ICANN when they first said that new TLDs will be introduced. Instead of isolating the fact that big-bad-corp is likely to benefit, we should have tried to explain to ICANN why it is they are missing the point and what potential damage they might cause.
Sure, we should have a dotsex or dotxxx and then make it law that adult material has to be on those TLDs. Would be so easy to please everyone, if people would put their heads together and talk instead of bumping them all the time.
If dotsex was the law, no dotcom would be permitted to ever display any adult material whatsover - and it even fits with the first ammendment...
I can not see any solution to the problem - which wasn't really there until everyone tried to fix it aprt from a drastic one that would require a complete system overhaul.
Unless IE6, 7 or 8 has it's own embedded system that resolves any type of entry to the closest matching IP [provided IPv6 is widely spread to permit huge numbers of new IPs]; and that our 24/7 connections are fed the latest IP updates on an ongoing base, dot-com will be Fifth Avenue and everything else will be slums.
All this is a good thought, but ICANN has screwed the pooch (or the average person in this case).
The TLD will compete not only by offering extra space, but additional prestige: dot-biz domains will cost $2,000 to register and $150 to maintain.
The higher price means that only serious registrants will be getting dot-biz domain names.
So, someone who can't afford the higher price is automatically considered as a registrant that is not serious? And will a tld like .biz really mean extra space? Costing what they do, mostly established companies and companies with a bunch of cash will buy domain names. These same companies will already own the same .com name or buy it at the same time. While it is technically extra space, I think we will mostly see the same names registered to both .com and .biz.
If they were really serious about alleviating the shortage of domain names, they would have provided a tld for the average person and/or business.
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The new TLDs serve only *one* purpose: to make money for the registrars. There's obviously no logic in the choices for the new TLDs (except that they attempted to spread the wealth evenly) due to the limited use that the new names innately have (I'm sure they're just tons of .museums out there), with .biz being the exception.
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It's official, ICANN is useless.They're just as useless as they were before they made any decisions.
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especially because you are modded up to 4 Insightful! I hope you are a bot, because your slogan of "free intellectual property" is pitiful. Be careful what you ask for. You'll know what I mean after you take that "Tylenol" that turns out to be a new concentrated lye pill.
Though there are definate drawbacks to this setup, there are also a couple really good points too. Having high priced "legitimized" TLDs will make the commodity status of .com even more apparent. Domain squatting on big corporate names will be nigh impossible because of the restrictive costs, so a good case can be made in court for recreational and non-infringing internet addresses like the whole veronica.org debate
how the heck did you get copywrite symbols to take the place of all your periods? heck, if you can do that, you can have any TLD you want....
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