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RedHat "Fisher" 7.1 Beta Out Now
Cranky Spice (and everyone, and everyone's brother) writes: "Get it here: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
They've moved to mainstream the 2.4 kernel (surprise),
there's an IA64 set of .iso files, the installer can wizard you up
a basic firewall config, all the usual minor tweaks and enhancements. Though they say PCMCIA support is still flaky, meaning my VAIO Z505 slimline might not be running Fisher anytime soon. :/" The flood will only increase now -- even PocketLinux was demonstrating 2.4 on their iPAQs today at LinuxWorld.
If people want to fuck up their machines, there's nothing in the world that will stop them. If people want to be spoon-fed with pablum, they can go ahead and install W2K pro.
You can put a warning in 20pt letters, in flashing red font, and you'll still have cl00bies clicking away. Now what?
The default workstation install has some nice firewall options that slam the door shut, hard. You can't really ask for more than that.
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Is RH7.1 still under interdict from Linus?
I think you misplaced a couple of those.
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
I think that's a University
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
Another Ford car
"Planter" - both brand names of nuts. Not to infer it's crazy, though... ;)
With the +/-'s of different distro's, and having tried FreeBSD, I'd like to 'go my own way' with linux and compile my own kernels, etc. but want a decent source for pgms. I find the only real benefit with the distros is the programs that come with them. One thing that I love with FreeBSD is the CVS-based repository of programs. Does such a beast exist for general linux programs so I could cvs-get sources to support my own 'distro' ? Regards
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? - Joshua (Wargames)
Possible followups to Fisher:
;-)
Milton -- Toy companies (followup: Dante/classic authors of religous fiction)
Picasso -- Artists (full circle) (followup: Rembrandt)
Pendragon -- Arthur (followup: Emperor/name for an absolute ruler)
Light -- Names Jesus called himself
Pirate -- Sea-based professions
Clancy -- MFK Fisher and Judith Clancy wrote "Not a Station But a Place" (followup: Lambert/Highlander)
Cougar -- Carnivorous mammals of North America (followup: Firebird/Car)
Have to admit, I'm partial to this last one, but that's just because I'd love the next ".0" release to be called "Phoenix"
What I don't understand is why Red Hat would pour effort into Gnome, but they are so reluctant to assist with the first journaling file system (especially when SUSE has done so much with it).
But then again, if ext3 is in the distribution within 3 months and it includes large file support, I won't be too upset.
It would just be nice to know what you guys are planning. It's not that much of the plan has ever been bad, but I need to plan too.
According to the e-mail about the beta, you need a updated boot disk to install Fisher if you have a floppy and a zip drive. They say the install will fail if you have that combo. They give a like to the bootdisk image, but, however, it's incorrect. The correct links here. Fix this up Red Hat! You also better fix da CD too before ya go to 7.1!! :)
Gorkman
LMAO..............you actually bought a computer from Sony???????? dont they make stereos, or blenders or something?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
My list goes as follows: ;)
Fisher
Manson (famous psychos)
Partridge (famous families)
Pear (things found in a pear tree)
Orange (fruit)
Purple (color)
Flash (jumpin jack flash - whoopi goldberg movies)
Bicycle (Queen songs)
Scooter (transportation)
Oscar (mupets)
Marlin (fish)
Seminoles (Florida teams)
Apache (Indian tribes)
and finally IIS (web servers)
Maybe some of these are streaches.
-I just work here... how am I supposed to know?
The guess of "32" for Debian will also double as a guess for "and in how many months time will it actually happen"
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
Yes! I really like xmms (and KDE), so this is good news.
On another note; I skimmed the readme's and changelogs, this is an awesome beta-release; the ISO image install feature is such a cool idea. A GUI-kickstart generator is a very good idea too,and kernel 2.4, and better Xfree configuration, and quick-and-dirty personal firewall, and PXE boot images (sounds very interesting), and KDE 2.1, and, and, and...
The only worrying feature is BIND 9.10. It may be more secure and have nice features like DNSSEC/TSIG, but it is rather new, and could lead to some upgrade trouble? Besides bugfixing, this more noisy, and public beta test, will at least make this BIND upgrade known to people before the final release (=less suprises).
In short, this beta release, shows that RH really has listenend to its users (and costumers), eg; no superflous deamon running, after workstation install). And kudos to RH for that.
Umm...did you actually ever look at any of the changes between the two rpm versions? One is gcc-2.96-54.src.rpm the other is gcc-2.96-71.src.rpm. There has been a LOT of fixes that have gone into this and all but 2 patches have been accepted by the core gcc team.
Is this the official official release? I'm hoping vendors are taking their time. I'm thinking a lot of people were waiting to get 2.4.x in a distro all to itself and I'd like to believe no corners have been cut. And uhmmm we are talking about redhat arent we?
"From of old, there are not lacking things that have attained Oneness." - Lao Tzu
I was regretting many times that I hadn't tested a beta version of some program or hadn't found time to report a bug, and the release of that program still had that bug.
GCC 2.96-RH
I though they would have had enough complaints to switch back to 2.95.2, but no... Anyone knows whether that a least the same 2.96 (compatible C++ ABI) as the one shipped with 7.0?
I can't wait for gcc 3.0 to be released and the C++ ABI to be frozen for a while.
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
what version of gcc was it compiled with?
Fisher, is it is *STILL BETA* is only available on a few mirrors, those of which are:a /fisher
/ fisher
a /fisher
s /redhat/redhat/beta/fisher
/ redhat/redhat/beta/fisher
Indiana, USA:
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/bet
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta
Minnesota, USA:
ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/fisher
Buffalo, New York, USA:
ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/mirror/Linux/redhat/bet
Pennsylvania, USA:
http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distribution
ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions
rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat-beta/fisher
Anyone going to use Fisher should of course, goto Bugzilla.redhat.com and give plenty of bug reports and other issues while using this beta version of RedHat.
Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.
James Brents
Even in previous releases, this stuff wasn't installed if you chose "Workstation"
True, Mandrake is the one notorious for leaving various unneeded, even unwanted services and daemons activated. Even when specifically turned off during the install.
My big concern for RH 7.1 is have they wisely abandoned the 2.96 branch of gcc?
ChodaBoy
- The preceding statement is the product of a deranged mind and the sole property of the voices in my head.
How about integrated into at least the upgrade? So that it will be able to mount and upgrade on currently existing reiserfs filesystems?
Most of this stuff is either in the release or in Powertools.
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Running a devfs system without devfsd is almost impossible. Unless you like recompiling just about every program you have (especially the important ones like login and probably stuff like glibc), and re-writing all your conf files. Besides, devfsd works really well.
Check out Linux from Scratch you can build your own distribution from scratch. Im glad I did ;)
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Guinness and Fisher are both european beers
Free speech and free beer, they did it!
Matthias
-- Life wasn't meant to be easy...
Wonderful. It will make everyone updated and overall just that bit more secure ;)
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will it be
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Is there anything yet on what kind of performance gain you'll get if you're upgrading from RH 7 or Mandrake 7.x? I used the Caldera 2.4 Preview a couple months back, and it seemed to be faster...
After doing a make modules_install, it installed my modules in /lib/modules/2.4.0, which is fine, but the directory structure was all screwey, as well there was a sym link called 'build' back to my /opt/linux-2.4.0 directory. Explain that one? I looked at the changes. I noticed that the whole make menuconfig had completely changed. Some for the better, but it seems that the bttv drivers have somewhat disappeared, or maybe I was not looking in the right place (video). It was just a whole confusing mess, that at that time I did not want to deal with, as well they have just released 2.4.1 a few days ago. By the time that RH 7.2 comes out 2.4.10 shoudl have been released ot maybe later and it should have most of the bugs worked out of it. I can't afford to have my system in a state of mayhem. I need it to much in a stable state. So as I said I'll wait til. 7.2.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
Please can you define the term "security bug days open" for me? Maybe I'm being slow, but that made no sense to me.
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It's a distro aimed at servers. Servers that like lpd, ftpd, and r-services perhaps.
Any admin that installs a server and leaves the r-services enabled (with extremely few specific exceptions) should be tarred and feathered.
This takes care of both rcp and rlogin quite nicely. There's really no reason not to use it instead of the old, horribly insecure r-services.
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Anybody know if this is out yet, or if there are plans to release RH 7.1 with it?
-Please- tell me they've abandoned the horrid gcc '2.9.6'/separate 'kgcc' nastiness from 7.0.
"If ignorance is bliss, may I never be happy.
-- Veni, vidi, dormivi
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I believe Pinstripe was 6.9, which was really just 7.0 while it was in development.
What exactly is meant by "PCMCIA flakiness?" I've not had any problems with PCMCIA devices on my Linux laptop (a Dell Latitude.) The cardmgr daemon detects the insertion and removal of PC cards just fine, and handles them appropriately. The only anomaly that I can find is if I boot up the system with the CD-ROM drive attached to the unit, and yank the card out sometime afterwards -- when I shut the system down, I get some error messages when PCMCIA services are being shut down. This doesn't affect the shutdown.
Are there general Linux PCMCIA issues that I need to be aware of?
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
experience with RedHat and Oracle ?
Oracle on RedHat is VERY version specific. Because of the install process you need to run a specific version of RedHat to get Oracle to install/work properly.
Right now that means RedHat 6.2. Sure, there are patches and other stuff that MICHT get Oracle to work on 7.x, but they are not reliable.
There is a LONG bug report in the Redhat bugzilla site that describes the situation with Oracle and RedHat 7 very well.
It's not RedHat's fault - it's the way Oracle links to glib on install.
Hrmm...
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Guinness - Alec Guinness (in memorial of)
Fisher - Carrie Fisher? Acted along side Guinness in Star Wars
If intelligent life is too complex to evolve on its own, who designed God?
heh. That's good :-)
Vidi, Vici, Veni
OK so i have to clear up things a bit more i guess... We do have a QA setup which is pretty much a replica (outside of load balancing and failover drives). So the reason to use Linux is simple, this box is going to be used by the developers for pure development,and its basic reason for being is to be a Database server for the developers, there will be some other 2450 Dell, and Sun 420 boxes that are actually going to run the App/Development servers... developer workstations are pretty lean. so all this box has to be able to do is beat the price/performance of a sun box, be relatively easy to maintain and show good uptime... all of which have been the case with a Dell 620 (Dual Xeon, 1Gig running Slackware). Now I am beginning to think that win2k would be an interesting test... will post once its done
Non-Deterministic Finite Automata
There should be a project that starts with the codename "Phoenix", branches off of it, and returns to Phoenix for every .0 release in its development cycle, in a never-ending cycle of rebirth.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
suse 6.4 also came with lvm and reiserfs
maybe I'll moderate it down because I don't like your attitude
Vidi, Vici, Veni
You can grab the 2 ISOs from here:
(you might want to hold down shift while you clock)
fisher-i386-disc1.iso
and
fisher-i386-disc2.iso
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Why pay for drugs when you can get Linux for free ?
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
Go to the Linux PCMCIA info site and look at the
supported cards list. If it's not there, you could
post a message on the forum. 3com cards are generally
well supported.
http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/
...late at night, Searching for Beta Fisher...
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<CODE>Duh!</CODE>
*sigh*
Hasn't it been proven enough yet that GCC 2.9.6 + the latest patches is by far the most standardized and bug free version of GCC yet?
Bero from Red Hat, among a few others, have beaten this to a pulp. The only people with problems are those who have written code that takes advantage of old GCC bugs!
And we won't have real binary compatibility until GCC 3 comes out. So why not have the best we can have now?
With the problems on their 7.0 release, I believe this is RedHat's make or break time. I have been really disenchanted by their recent behavior. I hope that the recent release of 2.4 kernel doesn't create a rush to ship this next version. RH will really have to get their act together this time includeing better testing, more compliance with standards, and again better testing, only time will tell if remaining loyal RH user and continuously defending their company was worth it ...
"It says on your resume' that you have extensive experience working with UNIX, does that mean you have problems working with women?" - anonymous micro ISP
They almost certainly *HAD* to stick with GCC 2.96 in this release. They keep binary compatibility between all releases with the same main version number (6.x, 7.x, etc). Reverting to an older (and buggier) GCC would screw that up.
Here's a question for Bero: 3dfx/Glide support was included in RH 7.0, as a set of beta drivers in the Previews directory. Are you guys including more stable 3dfx support now? (something that doesn't mangle Unreal Tournament for instance?)
Meldroc, Waster of Electrons
I actually believe it's possible to use ssh/scp without encryption altogeather. I always thought that seemed a bit pointelss, but I guess this is a case when it could be useful.
[Science] is one of the very few things that raises human life a little above farce and gives it the grace of tragedy.
I was wondering whether RH has any plans to include IPSec (via FreeS/Wan or other) out of the box in any distribution any time soon. Now that the RSA patent is gone, and export law seems to be easier. While it isn't too bad to install, it would be nice to have out of the box support. (Although I am not sure if Freeswan works w/ 2.4 yet)
There are many reasons why this decision was right:
If you have any objections to the compiler, report the problems you are seeing rather than complaining without having tried it, the way many people seem to do lately.
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"Itanium(tm) architecture support is included"
;)
so you can have one of the slowest Redhat experiences in history, i suppose?
Stable releases
kernel 2.4.1 with ReiserFS
apache 1.2.17
Software you always have to install by hand
Postfix, or something easier to configure than Sendmail
Cyrus IMAP
proftp
webmail software - my fave is squirrelmail
mailing list manager like majordomo
libsafe
analog for going through webserver logs
This would be nice
tux 2.0 for the fastest out of the box webserver ever
libraries and compilers which work
It's not integrated in the install (yet), but the kernel modules and userspace tools are included.
This is because we don't consider it stable enough for real production use at this time (though it's slowly starting to get there). Right now, it works quite reliably (unless you're NFS-exporting it) as long as everything can be fixed with journal replays.
If you're using reiserfs and you have a hardware or driver problem leading to a corruption that can't be fixed by a simple replay, you're pretty much on your own. ext2/ext3 can recover from some of this.
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Actually we're including 2.4.0-ac11 (which has it) with a couple of extra patches.
It's not offered as an option during an install though; look for my other post on the thread for the reasoning.
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We're including it to give users a choice - choice can't hurt, and if you keep good backups, reiserfs is good at handling lots of small files (e.g. news spools). And, of course, it makes it easier to "upgrade" from certain other distributions. ;)
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You know, the nice thing about Linux is no matter what distro you use, you can always update any software you think is "buggy" right from the developer's source. The only real difference in the distros is what goodies they include and where shit like startup scripts lie (which you can change around anyway if you know your way around Linux well enough)
We're all on the same side here. Distro wars don't help the cause at all.
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It works - so does the version from 7.0 updates.
Simply run "up2date -l" or go ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/
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Equals Mandrate!
No seriosly,
I wish Redhat would be as easy to set-up as Mandrake (it installed Glide and Mesa for me, can't get much better than that!)
I was never able to actually get Mesa to compile on my system (Don't tell me how! I'm sick of it by now) But mandrake had it compilled for me the first time I booted my system.
It also did all kinds of things like installed
Tux-racer (I thought it was cool) and setup my cd-burner.
I wish Redhat would do this without the bloatyness of Mandrake, as mandrake automatically setup Apache, and a bunch of other crapp (what the heck is Zope anyways?)
Are any of the major distributions planning on shipping with devfs?
What does it take to move a current system to devfs, and what are the problems with it. Debian specific would be nice, but general info is welcome too.
Well they could use it for the new firewire RAID's that are out. Or they could use it so that they can have external IDE drives in ieee1394 enclosures.
Fight censors!
"Not my manner of thinking but the manner of thinking of others has been the source of my unhappiness." - M
1 more release , a thousand more bugs. Red Hat, I salute you for becomming the next Microsoft.
RedHat name evolution: (Most of this is stolen from this post)
... Any other guesses?
Version - Name - Tie-together
3.0.3 - Picasso
3.0.4 - Rembrandt - Painters
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
4.1 - Vanderbilt - Universities
4.2 - Biltmore - The Vanderbilts lived in Biltmore Estate
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
4.9 - Mustang - Ford automobiles
5.0 - Hurricane - WWII fighters
5.1 - Manhattan - Mixed drinks
5.2 - Apollo - Theaters
5.9 - Starbuck - Battlestar Galactica characters
6.0 - Hedwig - Starbuck MN & St Hedwig TX are small towns
beta - Lorax - Hedwig Godiva & the Lorax are Dr Seuss characters
6.1 - Cartmann - MS Word macro-viruses (or cartoon characters)
beta - Piglet - Cartoon characters
6.2 - Zoot - Dr Piglet & Sir Zoot are occupants of Castle Anthrax
beta - Pinstripe - Types of suits
7.0 - Guinness - Beer (Guinness is a stout, Pinstripe is an ale)
beta - Fisher - Star Wars actors
7.1 - ? - ?
Maybe 7.1 final release will be named after a chess player
Cheers,
IT
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
No, Debian/Woody won't get linux-2.4. But Sarge will, which will probably be released in a year. But I really have no idea what I'm talking about, so who knows?
Oh who am I kidding.. if you download this make sure you know what you are doing. This is a beta and that means more bugs than a full release.
I.E. BACK UP YOUR SYSTEM!!!
Personally I'll continue waiting for 7.2 before I upgrade my 6.2 system. I imagine that they may be including 2.4 and I had problems with that already, just installing the modules. It did run though.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
How about a sweepstake where everyone has to guess the number of security bug days open in the first year of the first default 2.4 releases of slackware, debian, suse, redhat and mandrake. My guess goes for 40,32,127,1357,220. What's the prize /.?
Never underestimate the dark side of the Source
I don't think you guys get it at all, but I'm gonna say this again. Suse is a mature, stable distro. Give it a try, Out of the box with a copy of sysadmin and suse 7, I set up two 3 gig disks formated with reiserfs and striped em with lvm and set them up as my /usr partition in a snap. The only snag I've had is that the lvm tools aren't compatible with kernel 2.4's lvm code, so when I downloaded the fresh kernel, I had to extract the two different versions of lvm to my ext2fs root partition and run the necessary version until I got my 2.4 compile just right. Also the X setups with Sax and Sax2 are superb and I haven't seen anything better yet. Suse is worth a try, and I try to tell every linux user that I know.
"Only the insane have the strength enough to prosper, only those that prosper truly judge what is sane." --Warhammer40k
We don't ship 2.95.3 - we ship a snapshotted, qaed and fixed brach from the gcc tree and call it "2.96RH". Mandrake, OTOH, ships 2.95.3 (no such thing) - but noone cares.
Is anyone working on good recovery tools for reiserfs? Journal replays don't fix everything: sometimes disk sectors just go bad, and something like e2fsck can help mostly-recover the filesystem.
It'd be a huge drawback to reiserfs if a bad sector took out the whole fs.
Mandrake's distro starts at i586 for most packages nowadays.. Any interest from RH in doing something similar, or providing updates to upgrade RPMs to iX86 where X>3?
Your Working Boy,
You guys have been shipping the patches you've been making to correct the code and get stuff to compile with 2.96 back to the original authors of the software, correct? If so, have the developers started merging the patches back into their source trees?
Unfortunately, most people don't know/care about the source they've downloaded being compliant with ISOs or any other standard... they just want to snag a tarball or CVS snapshot, run make, and get down to business. When the compiler starts failing to build stuff that worked just fine with egcs, no matter what the reason, they just assume that there's a problem with the compiler and not the source they're trying to compile.
So it would seem that if RH helps the community fix the source so that RH users will have less of a hassle using 2.96 a lot of the resistance will probably go away, and public opinion will once again be in harmony with The Right Technical Decision(tm).
The beta is not intended to be used in a production environment.
Including prereleases IN A BETA makes perfect sense if we have reason to believe that the final will be out in time for our final or the version officially designated as beta is actually at least as stable as the latest version released as stable (tar and fileutils are perfect examples of the latter.)
The purpose of a beta release is to get bug reports and figure out what needs to be changed.
We don't have much of a use for, say, bug reports on KDE 2.0.1 if we know for sure we'll be shipping 2.1 (which has a lot of bugfixes [and probably also some new bugs]) in the final - we'd rather help the release we intend to ship to stabilize.
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I see no mention of Python. Will we ever see a version of Python newer than 1.5.2?
haha funny somebody should give this guy a higher score
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We just got a Dell 6450 with 4 proc's and 4 Gigs of RAM to run Oracle on. I took a lot of work to get the box here, we have been running mostly on Sun 420R's and I think that for development Linux should be used... convincing anyone on the use of Redhat for production is a very tough sell.. thats the next step....
Now the question is that I have been a user of Slackware for 4 years now and am very happy with it, heck its running Oracle on a dual proc box alread! BUT i have to put RedHat on this, cause of the support option and wanted to know if someone else out there has had a good experience with RedHat and Oracle ? I really want to use 2.4 cause of the Smp support amongst other things......
I would not move to redhat on my own boxes or any of the smaller servers, BUT on the other hand i want to get Linux on this box, and that means i have to play ball with others and move to redhat!
Got any advice ? Links to sites ? stories ? ?
Non-Deterministic Finite Automata
Maybe to you, but I certainly didn't have that readme file and found it useful. Besides, he's entitled to his freedom of speech and it didn't hurt anyone or anything to post it (except you, I guess).
In other words, you shut your trap and get lost.
You can try rpmfind.net for the rpm of 2.4. That's where I got mine.
Ever since the 2.4 kernel came out I've been hitting Red Hat's site daily waiting for new kernel RPMs to be released. All I saw was references to 'Pinstripe' and that was the latest beta. I managed to get the 2.4 kernel running nicely with RH 7.0 by manually using tarballs, but the "official" 2.4 kernel RPMs for RH 7 will be nice to have.
Uh, maybe because Linux isn't about stupid Microsoft-ish tricks?
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
On a related note, we've patched timidity++ and xmms to support the aRts (KDE sound system) backend [the release notes don't mention this, it's in the "not really major changes" category].
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You guys have been shipping the patches you've been making to correct the code and get stuff to compile with 2.96 back to the original authors of the software, correct?
Sure. Most of them have added the patches to their current versions. For example, the current KDE CVS tree compiles without any problems (KDE is a good example because it's C++ - and C++ is much stricter than C about many things).
There are some (few) other maintainers who didn't like the patches because they considered them to be workarounds for a "broken" compiler - there's nothing we can do about those, except for waiting for them to realize it's not the case when gcc 3.0 is released.
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2.95.2 is an *official* gcc release, which is also OK for a kernel. It's been the compiler for mandrake 7.0 to 7.2 (don't know about other distros). The 2.96 kernel shipped with RH 7 is not official at all. There has never been a gcc 2.96 release.
At least, they could have chosen something that's binary compatible (I'm thinking C++ ABI) with 2.95.2.
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
While SuSe is not that bad, RPM 's of SuSe are incompatible with RedHat. When you want to install a RPM for Redhat, it'll usually will not install or even worse - the program won't run or something else won't run anymore. At least Mandrake is compatible with RedHat, or better said, with RPM. I think any distribution that uses RPM should be compatible or not use RPM at all.
(-% TwistedMind %-)
I wanted to post what I thought of Fisher already. It's pretty good, although a bit early to determine stability (ask me in a few days.). The GNOME install is fairly new. It even included Sawfish 0.36 which just came out recently. The firewall configuration on install is cool, especially since I am not experienced. The installer has a slightly revised look. There are a few missing applets from the install (like GnomeICU and a few others), but nothign major. X configured just fine with Anaconda. Kernel 2.4 installs by default. Version number assigned was 7.0.90. Mozilla 0.7 is included also. So far, I have yet to need to download much of anything. I haven't even downloaded Ximian GNOME yet. KDE still is annoying to me, so I am a GNOMER. KDE's arts just doesn't work for me (esound works fine, as well as the OSS stuff). To me, an OS without sound, is, well a bad one. Now, my sound issues may be related to the hacked up driver I have to use on my Vortex card. Hopefully Creative will bring out new drivers. Else, I may have to get a Creative Live card. Anyone else get the problem with arts stuttering like crazy when playing sound? Anyway, good job redhat! 2.4 rules!
Gorkman
I couldn't care less if it broke compatibilty. I'm not a developer. All I knew was that version of GCC generated some pretty damned fast code (when the program actually compiled).
Kudos to RedHat for taking a bold step forward, but the fact remains, if the compiler can't compile, then what's the point? For that reason, I switched to Mandrake. However, if the compiler RedHat chose this time actually does compile, I'll reconsider (Mandrake just doesn't have the same feeling...)
Even though it's a Microsoft world, I love linux. I like typing at the terminal, I like using a gui, I like recording music, burning cd's, and playing video games with it, but I don't like the Idea of a kazillion geeks hooking up with Redhat Linux because it's pushed hard commercially. I've mixed and matched slakware, freebsd, openbsd, redhat, mandrake, debian, and I finally broke down and bought a copy of Suse Linux 7.0 Pro and Found my distro of choice. The last os I was running before this was Redhat 6.2, and was pretty damn unsatisfied. I didn't like the half assed documentation and the buggy software combo's. Suse out of the box had more than I have ever desired and then some. Anyways, blah blah blah everybody thinks, but just give something else a try before you spread out some more hard earned dough on a media whored distro that lacks depth and IMHO doesn't live up the the server level stability that linux is famous for. Flame At Will.
"Only the insane have the strength enough to prosper, only those that prosper truly judge what is sane." --Warhammer40k
I'm hoping that that option shows up soon. It would make it a great deal easier to use ReiserFS
"I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
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and reiserfs is in it. It came out today. I've been having a stable reiserfs system since the pre kernels of 2.4.1. This is an extreemly good kernel and i recommend migration to reiserfs. at once.
Trust the source!
Don't want to wait in line for downloading?
(I know I hate waiting for downloads)
You can buy the ISO images on CD-R from Linux System Labs this upcoming Monday.
You have a Dell 5450 and you want to run Linux 2.4 with Oracle? That's a good combo because Dell and Oracle have teamed up to do database serving on Linux. Look at the links below and you'll see what I mean.
"Dell Computer and Oracle agreed Wednesday to establish a Linux center in Austin, Texas... Dell will use the facility, which is scheduled to open in the spring, to test and tune Oracle databases running on Intel-based systems running Linux. Oracle also agreed to use Dell's servers and storage products for building the Oracle 9i database on Linux, the companies said." CNet News
"Oracle has announced all of its major Internet Platform software products on Linux, including Oracle8i(TM) Release 3, the latest version of its database; Oracle9i(TM) Application Server; and Oracle JDeveloper with Business Components for Java and Oracle Forms, two popular Oracle application development tools. In August 2000, Oracle announced an industry first with the shipment of the first enterprise-edition application server on Linux. Oracle adds to its firsts with Linux with the addition of Oracle Parallel Server and Oracle Internet File System." eltoday
Use 2.4, use that SMP and let's see if 2.4 is up to the job. Now you'll be able to convince those who say linux is not ready for production environments. Btw, don't listen to that guy about using win2k. He's an AC. Microsoft is starting to spread some serious FUD now that they take Linux seriously. I'm not really into the nix vs. ms war, but damn, Microsoft is obviously taking some notice. If anything, do as he said and dual boot your system. If win2k beats out Linux 2.4 in all aspects, then by all means use win2k instead. Somehow, I don't think that will be the case. Who knows? Maybe you've been destined by the Gods to run the first benchmarks.
But my fisher hat is gray... : (
You think you're so rich...But there's one thing you can't buy....A dinosaur
On my NEC (who make shit) laptops, my old one is running 6.2 on an 800mb drive, with gnome & kde, w/ 50mb swap and still 100mb free, while 6.1 takes 1.2gb for the same,
On my new one I'm trying to make it an X-term (netbooting) I've got to the stage where I get an PXE bootmenu but after that I'm stuffed, any ideas e-mail me.
- Can't install linux direct, 'cause not enough space to keep win98 & office (need for school) and my stuff also my school has a nasty habit of suspending people who install linux on their laptops, even though it and Netware are the only servers here.
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Laptop006 (RHCE: That means I know what I'm talking about! When talking about linux at least...)
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Use ftp://updates.redhat.com for patches, then you don't have to fight with everyone grabbing ISO's.
The announcement from Redhat on LWN that gives details about what's new is here.
http://lwn.net/daily/fisher.php3
I agree that Mandrake is generally more innovative than Red Hat, and surprinsingly really not less stable, even for server use. I think the reason is that Mandrake, like Debian, has an extremely active and positive community of users and developers. Maybe the slight difference between the Debian community and the Linux-Mandrake is that while Debian relies on users and developpers, Mandrake pushes its community to get involved in various innovative open-source projects. And by the way, they have just released MandrakeExpert.com which is a wonderful way to value this community of users and of the other hand to give it back because each transaction, if not free, can have one part redirected to an open-source project (such as Apache). That's incredible.
I guess you didnt get all that PRO athlon talk, did ya?- that-likes-intel
Fuck Intel.
I love that comment Optimized for p4!
I didnt know that a computer could set-it-self-on-fire-and-throw-it-self-at-the-user
Intel bashing aside
I think its safe to say that you cant have a better athlon compiler if you are selling it on the grounds of: will optimize for p2/p3/p4/itanium
And dont you forget that intel said that the p4 would be good! What a joke, 100% code, even their press releases have errors, see they meant 10% proper.
Fight censors!
"Not my manner of thinking but the manner of thinking of others has been the source of my unhappiness." - M
Another data point... I agree. I have pounded on every Red Hat release since 4.2, and it was my experience that 7.0 was the best yet. My only problem was with the PCMCIA installer boot disk and a PCMCIA cdrom, but a network install is probably a better approach for me anyway.
OH! That just made me think... you still listening Bero? How about a SSH (scp) network install option? Easier to set up and get running (on the machine serving up the files) then FTP, HTTP, NFS, or rlogin... Probably thinner and easier on the client as well.
Anyway, 7.0 was better then 6.2 (which I was very dissapointed in) in every regard.
Bill
Mathematically impossible requirements are technically not against policy.
Use Solaris X86.
Its SMP is superior to Linux's, its also much more stable. As far as Oracle Support goes, Oracle Support is 10x better for Solaris x86. If you're going to use Oracle, and pay for licenses, you might as well do it and get the support you need. Linux is a waste of time for production or development with Oracle.
So, I have to ask... Why use Linux at all? You have an Intel SMP development machine. Production boxes run Solaris (I assume, since you said they are 420Rs). Presumeably, you want to develop something on this new Dell and then move it into production on your Sun(s). Why not use another Sun for development? There's a lot of satisfaction in knowing that your dev machines are identical to your production systems (QA becomes orders of magnitude easier, for example). You just have to use Linux? Is it the right OS for the job, or an OS for the job?
I don't mean to sound like a shill for Sun, but this post struck me as odd. Everyone needs a machine they can re-image if their "I wrote this, and it kinda did this instead of this..." software dorks the OS, and Linux is more than fine. Preferrable, even. You might even run an home-built, buggier-than-a-rainforest MP3 server off that same "pre-dev" Linux box (I did for many years), or whatever other wacky things you have going on after seven p.m. But why does Linux have to go on this box? Is it because you have the box already and it's an x86? I'd just really want a dev machine to match a production machine. If at all possible, that is. And it might not be for you.
I guess I'm just missing the point. And I don't know enough about what you do, where, how, etc., etc. So I guess just ignore me... :-)
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Long live open-source!
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
This is an excellent idea, but would the cpu overhead kill the server? How about not using 1024 bit keys, but instead us a smaller, say 40 bit key? It's not unbreakable, but hey, you're only doing an install.
And if you're doing a network install anyway, why not have a script which uses the updated rpms off the updates server instead of the buggy rpms? This would same an enourmous amount of download time and you get the bug-fixes during the install. Of course, isn't Debian doing this already?
Tell me about it... people put down RH7 because it was buggy (don't get me wrong it was) but it was also the best looking distro at the time, IMO had (and still has) the best installer, plus all those neato RH utilities like sndconfig and Xconfigurator.
With a little work to get all the updates, I've gotten my RH7 system to just about where I want it, rock stable, decently secure, and damn nice looking, hell, who needs W2K's semi slick looks when you've got ximian!
Of every distro I've ever installed RedHat always seemed to be put together the best; and you can't diss it for being more user friendly, because who says operating a computer has to be difficult?
-Gnight
Actually, my Z505 (specifically, the PCG-Z505R) runs Linux really well. Even the onboard sound is supported, natively, by the kernel (insmod nm256.o). The only thing that doesn't work is the lame Rockwell HCF PCI winmodem, but a PCMCIA card does that trick just as well. I've only got a PCMCIA CD-ROM drive, though, so this might prove dodgy. I installed RH 6.2 originally by copying over the CD-ROM into the Win98 partition (using the OS it shipped with, and installing Linux into the blank partition they give you for "video"). But I don't have a Win98 partition anymore. =)
geek. lawyer.
I decided to use Linux on my laptop, and wanted the closest I can get to "latest and greatest" because it's not a production computer - I use it now almost exclusively for development. Anyway, I chose RedHat 7.0 because it had most of the features I wanted - and I've had a fair amount of experience with previous versions of RH, understanding its basic newbie-ish install but most importantly knowing how to get my hardware and software working.
.1 release (I loved 6.1).
What I didn't like about RH 7.0 was the long list of updates and changes I had to do just to get it to a reasonably secure workstation. Of course I did a custom install, picking few packages for my old and small HD, but RH insisted on turning on by default a few packages I decided to install in case I needed them later (NFS, sendmail, etc.). Not to mention the mandatory updates to glibc and all the development packages (essential to the purpose of Linux on the laptop). Finally, I just today compiled 2.4.1 and got all my hardware to work (including one clunky old Soundblaster external CD-ROM that runs off my docking bay). I'm overall very impressed with Linux's support for my laptop hardware (automatically detected video card, etc). My first experience with PCMCIA under Linux was nice too - with a very generic 10 base T PC card to connect to my home network - works like a charm).
So while RH 7.0 was supposedly so bug-filled, it wasn't too hard to update everything to get to almost exactly where 7.1 is now. For those who were turned away from 7.0 hearing it was too buggy and too bloated, those have not been my experiences at all. I look forward to downloading 7.1 when it's officially released to install on any new systems (like the one I have at work, still running 6.1).
Let's hope RH keeps the tradition of making a great
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
Even though it will be my job of getting it working for the developers at work I'll wait a few days before I download. Likley start to download it this weekend and hope it properly completes by Monday.
We're still using RH6.2 on most developers desks due to compiler issues in RH7.0. Sure we can get the latest RPM updates, but it's really a hastle making the build scripts to automatically incorporate them on each desktop for each computer type.