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ClearChannel Plays It Safe

mertzman writes: "Rather than wait for the government assaults on civil liberties to reach full steam, ClearChannel, one of the nation's largest radio networks, has decided to do some censorship on their own! According to F***edCompany, ClearChannel has created a list of banned songs with "questionable content" in light of the recent tragedies. Stuff ranging from Drowning Pool's "Bodies" to Nena's anti-war hit "99 Red Balloons" have made their list." ClearChannel owns many radio stations, so this probably affects you. Update: 09/18 18:30 GMT by M : The San Francisco Chronicle has more on this - ClearChannel says it isn't an official mandate, just some sort of internal memo circulating. Update: 09/18 23:18 PM GMT by T : Fuzzy points out that "snopes.com has an explanation of the ClearChannel hoax. ClearChannel has also sent out a press release saying they have released no such list."

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  1. 640WGST in Atlanta was making fun of the list... by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kim Peterson, a talk show host here in Atlanta was making fun of the Clear Channel list yesterday. I thought at first it was a joke, but apparently its not.

    I wonder when Kim Peterson will get "talked to" over it (he was playing the list as bumper music. Many may not agree with what he has to say all the time, but at least he stands up for it.

    Sorry, but music doesn't make terrorist.

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  2. Massive Attack by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2, Informative

    During gulf war, some radio stations reffered to Massive Attack as "Massive", period.

    Sofa King wee tadd deed.

  3. This must be a joke... by Dman33 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I mean, they have "Walk Like an Egyptian" by the Bangels on this list...

    Is this a joke or is this just a list of songs that radio stations should 'tip-toe' around for the next week or so to keep people from getting depressed??

    1. Re:This must be a joke... by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I kinda get that one. The first verse has talk of tombs toppling over.

      I really can't work out the Cat Stevens version of Morning has Broken, though. I'm willing to bet that more than one church sang that last Sunday in memory of the fallen. Perhaps it's because he's now known as Yusuf Islam?

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    2. Re:This must be a joke... by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > I mean, they have "Walk Like an Egyptian" by the Bangels on this list...

      So I suppose KFMDM's Power and Son of a Gun are right out ;-)

    3. Re:This must be a joke... by pcidevel · · Score: 2

      So I suppose KFMDM's Power [kmfdm.net] and Son of a Gun [kmfdm.net] are right out ;-)

      Being a very long time KMFDM fan.. I'm going to assume that if any of KMFDM's songs were sloted for air time on the radio (very unlikely to happen in my experience) the radio station would decide not to play the soung... I forgot the name of the song (it's on Nihil, but since I listen to primarly cd's I never can remember the song names) there is a song that has a sample of someone with an arabic accent (at least it sounds arabic to me) stating "Some people call them terrorists, these boys are just misguided"..

      Most of KMFDM's songs probably would seem inappropriate to most of the mindless radio industry at this point in time.. Just on the albumn Nihil (which is one of my least favorite KMFDM albumns but since my previous example was from this albumn I thought I would draw more from it) you could check out the lyrics to Terror (which is about stripping away our civil liberties after a terrorist attack, hmmm, sound familiar? ) or Search and Destroy, either song is probably slated as unsuitable for play at the moment.. ;)

      As another poster stated above, I'm amazed that The Cure's Killing An Arab isn't on the list of songs not to play.. but since that song's based on Albert Camus's The Stranger I guess we'd have to burn the book too! :)

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  4. Do they even listen to the songs? by Quila · · Score: 2

    Banning 99 Luftballons/Red Balloons? These people are banning songs they've never even listened to. Are individual radio stations speaking out against this?

    This reminds me of the episode of WKRP where they were told to stop playing, among others, John Lennon's Imagine because it referred to imagining there's no heaven or religion. You know, forget that the song is about world peace.

    1. Re:Do they even listen to the songs? by Pseudonym · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Banning 99 Luftballons/Red Balloons? These people are banning songs they've never even listened to.

      You've heard the English version of the lyrics, right?

      It's all over and I'm standing pretty
      In this dust that was a city
      If I could find a souvenier
      Just to prove the world was here

      Of course, personally, in this time of warrior rhetoric, I think the song is more apt than ever.

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    2. Re:Do they even listen to the songs? by Quila · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, they did screw up the lyrics in the English version (not to mention her singing of it).

      The song is about WWIII, the end of the world, by accident, telling us to be careful about running off to war without a real solid reason and target (it started by them at a concert in West Berlin, wondering what would happen if the balloons floating to East Berlin were thought of as hostile).

      They took pretty much everything in the songs out of context.

  5. Damn censorship.... by aetherspoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bah to it all. Why can't people just realize that human adults censor what is inputed in to their brains to begin with? I mean, come on! How does censoring music that has some relation to the NYC bombing help anything at all? Those people died for certain liberties and rights sort to speak- why take away what they died for just to try to soften the impact that they died?!!

    If I died in a terrorist bombing in the United States, the supposed country of freedom, I would be rather offended that this country of freedom that I died in is now restricting it.

    They took away the second amendment, but I didn't complain since I had no guns.
    They took away the fifth amendment, but I didn't complain since I had nothing to fear from the courts.
    They took away the first amendment, and I couldn't complain.

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    1. Re:Damn censorship.... by Drone-X · · Score: 2
      How does censoring music that has some relation to the NYC bombing help anything at all? Those people died for certain liberties and rights sort to speak- why take away what they died for just to try to soften the impact that they died?!!
      I fail to see how they died for certain liberties and rights. They died because terrorists had a problem with what those people's government was doing.

      If I died in a terrorist bombing in the United States, the supposed country of freedom, I would be rather offended that this country of freedom that I died in is now restricting it.
      Only US Americans themselves seem to fancy their freedom so much. This may be because a lot of other countries are enough/equally/more free than the US or this may be because other people haven't been thought to appreciate the freedom, but that's not important. What I do find important is that you shouldn't use those that died as an excuse to either invoke censorship or to stop censorship.

      I can't comment on those last three lines because I don't know what they mean.

    2. Re:Damn censorship.... by Drone-X · · Score: 2
      Because of certain freedoms, this act went on. I know it doesn't make much sense, but let me put it this way- if the US was a police state, this would not have happened. Yeah, its taking it to an extreme, but I can't think of a better way to illustrate what my reasoning behind my logic was in words.
      Trying to follow your reasoning, I think at most you could say they died because they live in a democracy and are thus indirectly responsable for their government's actions.
      What I do find important is that you shouldn't use those that died as an excuse to either invoke censorship or to stop censorship.

      So instead you should let someone invoke censorship and not try to stop it? Maybe I didn't get the meaning of that line correctly... I'm not trying to use the people dying to stop censorship, I'm trying to get people to stop using the people dying as a reason to invoke censorship.

      This was more of a response to (something you said in your first post):
      Those people died for certain liberties and rights sort to speak- why take away what they died for just to try to soften the impact that they died?!!
      which sounds a lot like a justification for your cause (freedom) on the assumption that the people killed, died for that same cause.
  6. choice does not = censorship. by bmongar · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Hey, they own those stations, so they have a right to choose what to play. If they think something is in bad taste, the won't play it. That's not censorship that's choice. The government hasn't told them not to play questionable songs, they decided it was in their best interest as a business or maybe in their interest as humans. This is not censorship this is a business esercising it's freedom to choose to do what it wants.

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    1. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Funny

      What, it's only censorship if the government is doing it?

    2. Re:choice does not = censorship. by pallex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. Thats exactly it. Otherwise another company/individual can do it. Its their choice what they play.

    3. Re:choice does not = censorship. by imadork · · Score: 2
      What, it's only censorship if the government is doing it?

      Umm, yeah, that's kinda the definition.

      The Censor is grated authority by some governing body, be it political or religious (in any case, not you), and tells you what you can or can't do with your own property and ideas, giving you no say in the matter.

    4. Re:choice does not = censorship. by tigrrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, this is the abuse of monopoly power in the radio markets to control the content of what we are exposed to. It's corporate censorship, not government censorship.

      It wouldn't be as *much* of a problem if Clear Channel weren't the Microsoft of the radio world. As it is, broad groups of people are effectively denied exposure to these pieces of music, without any viable feedback mechanism for voicing their dissatisfaction with the situation to the company.

      And I am certain that the artists of these songs would certainly object to their suppression in this manner.

    5. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's their choice, but its still censorchip.

      Censorship has nothing to do with the government, it has to do with the act of censoring.

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    6. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      Censorship is the act of government limiting the speech of its citizens by use of force.

      No its not.

      Censorship has nothing to do with the government, it has to do with the act of censoring.

      I'm going to keep saying this until people get it, or pick up a dictionary.

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    7. Re:choice does not = censorship. by dwdyer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually it is censorship, because stations are usually free to set their own playlists. That's why stations have program directors. When the PDs and jocks are choosing what to program, because they know their audience and local market best, that's "choice". It's "censorship" if corporate HQ is telling the stations "you can't play this". It's "choice" if they're telling the stations "we recommend you don't play this". The fact that the authority making and enforcing this decision is not the government -- that's a meaningless distinction.

      Look up the definition of "censorship" if you still think that state censorship is the only kind. And guess what -- just because it's "censorship" doesn't mean it's illegal. State censorship is illegal (in the US at least), private censorship is legal. Your point should not be "it's not censorship" but "sure it's censorship, but it's perfectly legal". Or, "just because it's censorship doesn't make it bad".

      Yes, they have the right to dictate to their stations that they play this or that song and not play others. The fact that they have the legal right to censor their stations doesn't make it reasonable nor sensible. I'm sure this list made them feel like they were doing something, however reactionary and pointless.

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    8. Re:choice does not = censorship. by (void*) · · Score: 2

      I see. So if newspapers ran an untruthful account of you doing something borderline illegal, you writing in to correct them have no grounds to complain if they refuse to publish your rebuttal becuase the newspaper is not the government, and it isn't censorship.

    9. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Ded+Bob · · Score: 2

      So if newspapers ran an untruthful account of you doing something borderline illegal, ...

      That is called slander. It would be time to sue if they did not post a retraction.

    10. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      Remember kids, reading comprehension is part of the SAT, so start studying now:

      Censorship has nothing to do with the government, it has to do with the act of censoring.

      censor (snsr) "A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable."

      censored, censoring, censors
      "To examine and expurgate."

      Nowhere does it say government. The word "authorized" would apply to the company that owns the radio stations. They are authorized to censor their own stations, that doesn't make it any less an act of censorship.

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    11. Re:choice does not = censorship. by isorox · · Score: 2

      My mp3 list randomified into a recent geeks in space yesterday. I decided to listen (It was about half way though when I got back into the room).

      One of them (cant remember who), said something appropiate. You're on my turf, and uner my rules. No one is forcing you to go there (the website).

      When a public entity (acting for the people) censors stuff, its bad. When a company censors stuff, you have the choice of not using htat companies services.

      There are, however, exceptions. Mainly when that company is the only provider of a service in an area, and a local law prvents anyone from competing/it is impossible to compete.

      It's not all bad though, companies are answerable. If a company refused to let a specific group of people use their services normally open to the public, then they will get into trouble.

    12. Re:choice does not = censorship. by mjh · · Score: 2
      What, it's only censorship if the government is doing it?

      So what are you saying? That we need to make a law that forces Clear Channel to play those songs? To give equal time to that list? I hope that's not what you think.

      If you're opposed to creating the law that forces certain songs to be played, then you are left to the will of the owner of the company to determine for themselves what they want or don't want to play. That's all there is to it. Either they have to freedom to choose which set of songs they want to play or they don't. Take your pick.

      Either way, this isn't censorship.

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    13. Re:choice does not = censorship. by doonesbury · · Score: 2

      Just to point this out: it's censorship when there's no other choices to broadcast that medium - even if the government is not doing the censorship. Clear Channel's a monopoly in some areas (see this Salon.com article and this one as well.) This means that while it's not government censorship, these songs are de facto censored in those areas.

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    14. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Ded+Bob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is censorship, but most people think of censorship when it comes from the government. That is where the confusion probably lies.

      While it is commendable that they are trying to be considerate of those suffering, I still don't understand some of their choices:

      1) Kansas "Dust in the Wind". This is song is more enlightening than sad.

      2) Cat Stevens "Peace Train" & "Morning Has Broken". Cat Stevens?!? Since when were his songs inappropriate?

      3) Neil Diamond "America". As others have pointed out, this is considered a patriotic song. You would think this would be required playing.

      4) Foo Fighters "Learn to Fly". I don't know this song, but I noticed they didn't go after Pink Floyd "Learning to Fly". They longer version of the word must have confused them.

      5) Frank Sinatra "New York, New York". Wouldn't this be considered inspirational?

      Maybe everyone should find the ClearChannel station in their area and request a song off of this list.

    15. Re:choice does not = censorship. by clare-ents · · Score: 2

      The radio station is censoring it's DJ's.

      It's DJ's have been told what they are and aren't allowed to play.

      It has not censored the general public. Members of the public are still free to play and purchase those songs.

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    16. Re:choice does not = censorship. by nanojath · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I agree completely. Nobody called ClearChannel stations' boring, repetetive, mainstream garbage marathon playlists censorship, even though there are literally millions of songs you would never have a snowballs chance of hearing because they are ethnic, or thoughtful, or somehow unique or striking in any way. Or because they aren't produced by a sufficiently huge media conglomerate to pay off the stations for the privilege of airtime.


      Accusing ClearChannel of censorship is like accusing a colon of being full of shit.

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    17. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Genom · · Score: 2

      You left out Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" -- which I was *highly* suprised to see on the list -- that's always a highly requested song in times of trouble.

    18. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      boneheaded pedantic dictionary definitions aside

      So now using a word correctly is boneheaded and pedantic?

      Censorship is censorship. If the negative connotations of that word make you feel uncomfortable about it, then feel free to call it "tasteful restraint", but don't say it's NOT censorship.

      I'm simply trying to reign in the folks who somehow have it stuck in their head that "censorship == first amendment violation".

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    19. Re:choice does not = censorship. by FatOldGoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cat Stevens "Peace Train" & "Morning Has Broken". Cat Stevens?!? Since when were his songs inappropriate?

      I really hope the decision wasn't inspired by the fact that he converted to Islam.

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    20. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      My mother didn't want me watching woody woodpecker cartoons as a child because they were excessively violent. Therefore, she censored my TV watching.

      She wasn't breaking the law, she had every right to do it as my mother. But she was stil censoring what i saw.

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    21. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Brazilian+Geek · · Score: 2

      2) Cat Stevens "Peace Train" & "Morning Has Broken". Cat Stevens?!? Since when were his songs inappropriate?

      Cat Stevens is now muslim and has always been revolutionary. Maybe that's what motivated this, ClearChannel might believe his songs may contain subliminal messages that might corrupt the USA's youth, this might be the same type of thinking that added "Walk Like and Egyptian" to the list.

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    22. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      If I say someeone is very discriminating in what they buy, "most people" would completely understand what i'm saying.

      I'm not even complaining about the pejorative connotations of the word censorship, i'm complaining about the VERY limited view of censorship that people here seem to have, making it synonymous with the first amendment. If it doesn't violate the first amendment it isn't censorship!

      Censorship was around long before the constitution. I think Libertarian reeducation camp has really done a job on folks at slashdot, though.

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    23. Re:choice does not = censorship. by volpe · · Score: 2

      Yes.

      Or are you suggesting that you are *entitled* to hear the songs you want to hear, despite whether the station wants to play them?

    24. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A random person on the bus does not have the authority to censor me. Censorship is an act of authority.

      My mother had censorship authority over me as a child, Clear Channel headquarters has censorship authority over their member stations.

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    25. Re:choice does not = censorship. by JCMay · · Score: 2

      Hrm. In my post I prodcue a working definition for "censorship," while you merely say that it "has to do with the act of censoring." First, what you said is vacuous because it's circular: something is X because it deals with X.

      What you completely miss is the fact that nobody besides the government is capable of censoring in the way that most people think about censoring: completely removing an idea from public consumption.

      Yes, there are things called network censors that "clean up" objectionable material from television, but these people are only able to do so for whatever network they work for. For example, last week FoxNews decided not to air videotape they had of the WTC buildings actually falling on people. This benevolent self-censorship is in my opinion A Good Thing; there was no need or reason to show individuals dying. Shepard Smith even said on-air that the tapes weren't fit for public consumption. The world is grotesque enough without adding to the horror.

      When most people think of censorship, they envision Sovietesque repression. This malevolent brand of censorship is only possible when carried out by a government agency under threat of bodily harm. Individual outlets may choose not to carry an item, but there's always someone that will unless they're crushed by a larger power.

    26. Re:choice does not = censorship. by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      What, it's only censorship if the government is doing it?

      Yes! Well, it only really "counts" as censorship if the government is doing it. Those that complain about this showing that our first ammendment is being taken away really show how clueless they are.

      Folks, I realize Clear Channel is big, but they aren't the government! If people want to listen to songs that remind them of WTC right now, they can buy a CD, or they can wait a few months and turn the radio on.

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    27. Re:choice does not = censorship. by HiThere · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure. They have been granted a limited monopoly of the public airwaves. So I'm not at all sure that they should have the right to choose. All I can say for that, is that it's a tiny bit better than the government choosing. But a government sponsored monopoly should be required to have community support for their decisions. At least decisions that affect their interface with the community. Otherwise they should forfit their monopoly.

      And I don't care that they "paid good money" for that frequency. So does anyone who pays a bribe. That shouldn't automatically entitle them to anything. Certainly they didn't pay enough to justify the grant of a monopoly. I'm not certain that that's possible. Monopolies need to be justified on the basis of the provision of needed services to a community in a way that cannot be done either freely or in competition. Most radio stations cause me to doubt that they are providing services to anyone besides their advertisers.

      FWIW: I generally try to avoid listening to radios. They have declined steadily since the early 1950's. I'm told that it's really since the 40's, but I wasn't paying attention then. I used to spend hours listening to the radio. Now I just try to avoid it as much as possible. I'd rather be bored than inflict that stuff on me. It doesn't seem to matter much which station. That just changes the variety of "that stuff".

      Now I'll admit that a part of the problem is that some of their services were taken over from TV, but seriously! TV has gotten so bad that radio could take them back. There are a few programs that are exceptions, but they are so rare that I don't bother looking for them. Well, truthfully, just because it's a good program doesn't mean that I'll like it. E.g.: I recognize that "Prarie Home Companion" is a good program. I just don't particularlly like most of it. But my not liking it doesn't mean that it isn't good. And radio is generally BAD! I know the difference, and it isn't whether or not I like it.

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    28. Re:choice does not = censorship. by imadork · · Score: 2
      Yes, I read the definition. (parts of it follow...)

      1.A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.

      2.An official, as in the armed forces, who examines personal mail and official dispatches to remove information considered secret or a risk to security.

      ...

      1. (Antiq.) One of two magistrates of Rome who took a register of the number and property of citizens, and who also exercised the office of inspector of morals and conduct.

      2. One who is empowered to examine manuscripts before they are committed to the press, and to forbid their publication if they contain anything obnoxious; -- an official in some European countries.

      censor n : a person who is authorized to read publications or correspondence or to watch theatrical performances and suppress in whole or in part anything considered obscene or politically unacceptable v 1: forbid the public distribution of; as of movies or newspapers [syn: ban] 2: subject to political, religious, or moral censorship; "This magazine is censored by the government"

      I thought it was obvious that while they never said "Governments are the only ones that can censor", the root of the word lies in the Roman government and all the examples imply "authority" that only a government, secular or religious, can provide, and can compel compliance through the force of law. It can't be censorship if just one source is restricted, as in these radio stations, because the music is still legal, they're just not playing it for a while. Perhaps its not as obvious to others...

    29. Re:choice does not = censorship. by gorgon · · Score: 2

      No, companies can censor. That why all of the US broadcast networks have people on staff who job title is "network censor" or something similar. Clear Channel is censoring its own playlists.

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    30. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      What, it's only censorship if the government is doing it?

      Usually. Censorship implies the use of force.

      If I tell you, "shut up" it's not censorship, because you can ignore my ridiculous attempt to give you orders. I am nothing to you.

      If we do a lot of business with each other and I tell you "shut up or else we're through" it's still not censorship. If you don't shut up and I follow through on my ultimatum and boycott you, that's just tough cookies. You can do business with my competitor, or find another field in which to make a living if my boycott makes your business too unprofitable, or whatever.

      If I tell you, "shut up or else I will kill you" that is censorship, assuming my threat is credible. (It's also another type of crime as well.)

      Whenever the government says "shut up or else you're in violation of law x" it is censorship, because

      1. If you ignore the government, the government is always willing to escalate to force. (Try not showing up for court sometime, which results in arrest warrant, and then try resisting arrest when the armed cops come to your house, and see what happens.)
      2. The government's threat is credible.
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    31. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      censorship is not the issue since they are not operating in an "official" (read governmental) capacity

      Why read governmental? If the definition was "governmental" wouldn't they have used that word?

      Does the owner of Clear Channel not have an official status to dictate what may or may not be broadcast at subsidiary stations? Does being official make him part of the government?

      censor (snsr) "A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable."

      censored, censoring, censors
      "To examine and expurgate."

      Nowhere does it say government. The word "authorized" would apply to the company that owns the radio stations. They are authorized to censor their own stations, that doesn't make it any less an act of censorship.

      Censorship has nothing to do with freedom of speech, the first amendment or the government.

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    32. Re:choice does not = censorship. by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      . In my post I prodcue a working definition for "censorship," while you merely say that it "has to do with the act of censoring." First, what you said is vacuous because it's circular: something is X because it deals with X.

      Well, gosh i wouldn't want you to go to all the trouble of typing in the word censor at dictionary.com. here, let me cut and paste for you:

      censored, censoring, censors
      "To examine and expurgate."

      I assumed people were familiar with the physical and mental act -- the process of actually sorting and deleting or prohibiting. All I was pointing out is that the ACTOR (the Censor) has no requirement to be a government agent.

      For example, last week FoxNews decided not to air videotape they had of the WTC buildings actually falling on people. This benevolent self-censorship is in my opinion

      So you insist that a company cannot be a censor, and then provide an example of a company censoring itself. Clearly you understand the use of the word censorship, you're just focused on the notion of "bad" and "good" and want to thus foster all the "bad" connotations off on government.

      When most people think of censorship, they envision Sovietesque repression.

      When most people think of the word "propoganda" they think German WW II propoganda. That doesn't make it any more representative of the meaning of the word propoganda.

      Please keep in mind -- i didn't start this conversation because I thought someone was using a word incorrectly and felt like being the grammar police. I am defending the original posters against self-styled "censorship" police who have been insisting the first posters were incorrect in using that word. The first posters were not incorrect.

      I just prefer not to see people vehemently asserting their limited understanding of a word as the only "acceptable" definition.

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    33. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      Either they have to freedom to choose which set of songs they want to play or they don't. Take your pick.


      You're trying to reduce the situation to only two courses of action when there are in fact many. In particular: ClearChannel has the right to censor its member stations, and we (the listening public) have the right to criticize them for doing so.

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    34. Re:choice does not = censorship. by flatrock · · Score: 2

      I suppose if you decide you don't want to play country music on your car stereo, that's censorship too?

      No one is telling the radio stations they can't paly that music. The radio stations are choosing not to play that music. THis is likely not even a long term plan. They just don't feel that the music is appripriate at this time.

      It's their radio station, it's their choice, it's their right to make that decision.

      They aren't keeping you from listening to this kind of music, got buy the album, or even better, you might be able to rent it from your local library.

    35. Re:choice does not = censorship. by flatrock · · Score: 2

      You have viable feedback, you're consumers. Radio stations make money from advertising. If you don't like what a radio station is playing, listen to a different station.

    36. Re:choice does not = censorship. by TGK · · Score: 2

      Self Censorship. Discuss.

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    37. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Panaflex · · Score: 2

      I guess you couldn't go get an FCC license, an FM exciter, and stick an antennae on a tower and play your song?

      Yes there is a LOT of private censorship going on in the taste department. Not even "That'll be the day" survived.

      But your rights have not been trampled. Switch stations. Do your own thing if you believe in it!

      Pan

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      I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
    38. Re:choice does not = censorship. by JLouder · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, this is the abuse of monopoly power in the radio markets to control the content of what we are exposed to.

      You're right, some broadcasting companies have almost become monopolies. I live in Orlando, where there are about six Clear Channel stations.

      If we don't like this, we should tell our senators and representatives that the Telecommunications Act of 1996 [fcc.gov], which tried to reduce telco monopolies by opening competition, has helped to create radio monopolies by removing the limit on the number of stations a company may own nationwide.

    39. Re:choice does not = censorship. by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Yes, there are things called network censors that "clean up" objectionable material from television, but these people are only able to do so for whatever network they work for. For example, last week FoxNews decided not to air videotape they had of the WTC buildings actually falling on people.

      And while we're at it.

      RANT:

      I'm saying "Holy SHIT!" over and over again as soon as I wake up. And I'm noticing the networks bleeping the videographers saying "Holy fucking SHIT!" when they see the planes go in or the towers go down. Or worse, not bleeping them and then apologizing for the language after the fact.

      I questioned the point of this to someone, who replied that "well, there might be children listening."

      At that particular moment, they showed a jumper falling to his or her death.

      Which is where I lost it.

      "Yeah, good thing the children don't have to worry about hearing someone say 'fuck' or 'shit' after watching 5000 people murdered, over and over again, from 20 camera angles, some of whom chose a 1000-foot freefall to their deaths rather than being incinerated alive. And you're worried about exposing them to naughty language? Where the - FUCK, yes, 'FUCK' - are your priorities?"

      *end rant*

      I'm not proud for having lost it. But I just couldn't believe what I'd heard.

    40. Re:choice does not = censorship. by CleverNickName · · Score: 2

      If you don't like what a radio station is playing, listen to a different station.

      This is great in theory. However, in practice, it's not that simple. If you live in a city like Los Angeles, and you prefer "Alternative" music, your choices are KROQ and ...KROQ.

  7. Partial list? by /Wegge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is the posted list of banned songs complete? One of the more obvious candidates, "First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin" by Manfred Mann is missing.

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    1. Re:Partial list? by gorilla · · Score: 2

      Actually that's a Leonard Cohen song, though it's been covered by many different artists.

    2. Re:Partial list? by Luminous · · Score: 2

      And what about the theme song to 'Muppets Take Manhattan'?

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    3. Re:Partial list? by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > One of the more obvious candidates, "First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin" [... is missing]

      As long as we're talking about Leonard Cohen...

      The Future should be required listening.

      Give me back the Berlin wall
      give me Stalin and St Paul
      I've seen the future, brother:
      it is murder.

      Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
      Won't be nothing
      Nothing you can measure anymore
      The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
      has crossed the threshold
      and it has overturned
      the order of the soul

  8. Eh? by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The list to me reads like some bloody good rock music. Sabbath, Floyd, Queen etc. Dare I be so cynical as to say that this is just a lame attempt for stations to push the latest manufactured crap?

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  9. Cultural bias? by griblik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I notice The Cure's "Killing an arab" made it thru...

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    1. Re:Cultural bias? by prizog · · Score: 2

      And "4.37 am (Arabs with Knives and West German Skies)", by Roger Waters is also not listed....

      Conspiracy!

    2. Re:Cultural bias? by Quila · · Score: 2

      And it's not even about killing an Arab!

      What, did they actually listen to this song and let it through as opposed to all the others?

    3. Re:Cultural bias? by Mike+Connell · · Score: 2

      > And it's not even about killing an Arab!
      > What, did they actually listen to this song and let it through as opposed to all the others?

      http://thecure.aberration.org/words/lyrics/k/kil li nganarab.shtml

      "Staring down the barrel
      At the arab on the ground"

      and from the chorus (sung three times):

      "I'm the stranger
      Killing an arab"

    4. Re:Cultural bias? by elefantstn · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but they never play it anyway, so what's the point of banning it? I mean, they didn't ban "Never Be Rude To An Arab" by Monty Python either, did they? Nor did they ban "I Wanna Shoot Afghans" by some crappy garage band from Nebraska. It didn't get banned because it never got played to begin with.


      Not that it's a bad song, of course. I love it. But it's not "Friday I'm In Love," so don't expect to hear it from your local commercial station anytime soon.

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    5. Re:Cultural bias? by ceswiedler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those lyrics are a reference to the novel "The Stranger" by Albert Camus, a french existentialist writer. The main character, Meursault, finds an Arab man on the beach and kills him for no reason at all.

    6. Re:Cultural bias? by Mike+Connell · · Score: 2

      I know axactly what the lyrics refer to. I was pointing out that the statement "And it's not even about killing an Arab!" is wrong.

  10. Re:This isn't censorship, it's good taste by ostiguy · · Score: 2

    Did you actually read the list? Doesn't sound like it, since you make it sound like a radio station did it, instead of a company that owns hundreds of stations. Some of the banned songs are ridiculous.

  11. Is this targetted at me? by Tet · · Score: 2
    The first half of the list looks like someone's reading out my record collection :-) That said, it's not going to affect me anyway because:
    • I'm not in the USA
    • I don't listen to the radio
    • Even if I did, there aren't any radio stations that play my preferred music (apart from Totalrock, but back in January they switched to broadcasting in a format only usable by Windows Media Player, so that put a stop to that)
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  12. WTF! by scott1853 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I listen to one of their stations here in central NY, The Nerve and they play a lot of these songs, or they used to.

    The fact that they banned Don McLean's "American Pie" really outrages me. This is one of America's songs. I used to like this song when I was 6 and I still do. Sorry if it's not like "Don't Worry, Be Happy" but jeesh.

    BTW, I didn't read any articles, is this ban permanent?

    1. Re:WTF! by jfunk · · Score: 2
      The fact that they banned Don McLean's "American Pie" really outrages me. This is one of America's songs.


      Don McLean is Canadian...
    2. Re:WTF! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2
      american pie is about buddy holly dying and how the whole music scene has just changed; its not about the end of the world in the literal sense.

      if this list was created by artificial intelligence, then someone should upgrade its code - I don't see much intelligence here at all.

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    3. Re:WTF! by inquis · · Score: 2

      haha, when i saw american pie i was like 'irony alert'!

      first, it looks like they banned the original but not madonna's deplorable, vomit-worthy remix; and also maybe it was before my time, but american pie was an anti-war song in the first place, right?

      hmm, banning anti-war hymns... a good idea in this time of national focus-to-go-kick-some-ass, right?

      -inq

  13. Re:This isn't censorship, it's good taste by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is good taste for you might not be for me. If you find certain songs in 'bad taste' don't listen to the fucking radio.

  14. Clearchannel: something everyone should know about by vondo · · Score: 5, Informative
    Salon.com (referenced in the editors comments) has done a great job covering Clearchannel and radio payola in general. The full set of articles can be found here.

    If you care about music and still think that songs become popular because lots of people like them, you owe it to yourself to read some of this.

    Back to the subject at hand, when a major corporate conglomerate decides that the country shouldn't be listening to "Bridge over Troubled Water" it is a sad day.

  15. U2 song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This Song is ANTI terrorism and was originally written about an act of terrorism.

    I mean the lyrics go "I cant believe the news today" and continue "How long must we sing this song?"

    Its the perfect song to be the Anthem of the whole anti terrorism campaign.

    It appears they are just stopping playing everything that could possibly remind people of the whole event. Songs about war,terrorism,suicide and fire. Even when the majority of these songs are against these things.

    Will they ban wacko and spears duet which they are recording to raise money for the relief efforts as it will remind people as well?

    1. Re:U2 song by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2
      It appears they are just stopping playing everything that could possibly remind people of the whole event. Songs about war,terrorism,suicide and fire.

      That's right...and 'Tuesday'. Yes, they've banned all songs that refer to 'Tuesday', regardless of the content.

      As someone else here mentioned, this is still not censorship. What this is, is known as STUPIDITY.

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    2. Re:U2 song by kenthorvath · · Score: 2
      In the same train of thought, it would be untasteful or inappropriate to give news updates as well, seeing as how that has a much more direct means of getting people to think about what has happened.

      I mean, Dave Matthews Band?! Now, I've always believed that alot of those songs sucked anyway and I wished I never heard them on the radio, but choosing to ban them because they use the word crash, speed, air, or even news is just plain wrong. "I read the news today, oh boy..." - OH NO!

      I can just see a deluge of restrictions and revocations in the civil liberties. Terrorists have incited the mob and the changes will be of French Revolutionary proportions. I am truly afraid. Not of the terrorists, but of the resulting hysteria.

  16. What a ..... by Gehenna_Gehenna · · Score: 2, Insightful
    crock of shit. How about we get the fscking networks to stop replaying the distaster scene over and over instead of music thet might be upsetting to a minority of people.

    On the other hand, if you could add {sarcasm} any NSYNCH song to the list I'd be much abliged. Not that it has questionable lyrics, I just don't want to hear it on the radio{/sarcasm}.

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  17. Re: Dance bands during the Gulf War by iainl · · Score: 2

    As far as I'm aware, all releases of 'Unfinished Sympathy' are credited to just 'Massive'.

    For bonus points you can also own 'Love So True' by Tim Simenon, rather than his usual 'Bomb The Bass' nom de plume...

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  18. support your local public radio by tigrrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is disgusting. If we're going to have a war, let's have it, but for crying out loud, let's not insist on sanitizing it as well. Either we've got to turn our minds from this situation in an effort to heal (in which case the songs dealing with guns and fire can go, but the anti-war songs must stay; not only stay, but be played repeatedly) OR we've got to stay mindful of our pain and steel our resolve to fight (in which case the guns and fire songs stay and the anti-war songs go). It doesn't make sense to avoid reminding us of the tragedy while *also* calling us to battle.

    Furthermore, the ENTIRE conflict is about freedom and liberty. This censorship (and yes, if the primary broadcast company has a list of songs that affiliates are not allowed to play, that *does* constitute censorship) is against everything that we stand for. If large portions of certain communities are offended by some or all of these songs, let them speak out to their local broadcasters. Don't blanket the rest of us with this silly and misguided propaganda disguised as "sensitivity".

    I, for one, will be tuning into the public radio. A source of objective and high-quality news and information, and a lone voice in the wild for FREEDOM!!!

  19. who, what ? by beanerspace · · Score: 2

    Well, I guess this old-fart of a programmer is scrathing his head saying clear who, censor what ? Desperately trying not to be a troll, I'm just wondering if this isn't more a move by some company that I've never heard of to remain profitable by makin and adjustment for the recent change in mood.

    Let's go to the site and see.

    Okay, there's a picture of Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Alan Keyes ... It's publically traded ... their ops got disrupted since they're in downtown NYC .... hmmm, Department of Justice to investigate whether Clear Channel's concert-promotion company is engaging in unfair business practices after some New Jersey constituents complained.

    Hey guys, I think this looks like a company that's trying to keep a low profile. In other words, this may have less to do with civil liberties than it does with their bottom line. Either giving their demographics what they want (or don't want) ... and by not pissing off "The Man."

  20. Banned Songs. by suss · · Score: 2

    Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"

    Yeah, i get this one:

    Head like a hole
    Black as your soul
    I'd rather die
    than give you control.

    Wouldn't want anyone to resist the government's control, now would we?

    Other choices though, leave me kinda puzzled:

    Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
    Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World"


    The list goes on. I wonder what they'll be playing all day now.... Britney Spears and N'Sync? I bet they can find some 'offensive' words in there too. (Baby hit me one more time? Oops I did it again? (referring to the crash on the pentagon) and ofcourse Nsync's "bye bye bye".)

    If you feel the urge to moderate this down as flamebait/troll, read the message again, think about what it says, and then decide again.

    1. Re:Banned Songs. by Quila · · Score: 2

      The NIN song refers to control by religion, not the government.

      Of course maybe that's why it's banned, it has a negative reference to religion, and with everyone going back to church now, that might offend.

      Of course, if those people piloting the planes hadn't let religion control them, they wouldn't have done it.

    2. Re:Banned Songs. by Nurgster · · Score: 2

      I'm suprised some of the newer NIN songs weren't listed...

      Big Man With A Gun
      Eraser
      The Day The World Went Away
      Into The Void (made for a film which featured a *shudder* plane crash)
      Heresy
      Mr Self Destruct
      Please
      Starfuckers Inc (lot sof reference to false gods and shit)

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  21. Vendetta against Rage? by Lizard_King · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I noticed in the list: "All Rage Against The Machine songs"

    you've got to be kidding me. This seems like blind censorship to me. I'm doubtful they've listened to all of Rage's songs.

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." - Jack Nicholson
    1. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by brennan73 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I noticed this too. I guess the song's contents don't matter if the artist has been known to express certain political opinions. This, IMO, is just WAY more offensive than banning specific songs.

      Unbelievable. Seriously; this whole list, and the thinking of the people who came up with it, just absolutely boggles the mind.

    2. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by merlin_jim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The entire list seems to be, much like the FBI's monitoring program, generated from keywords. I agree entirely with your comment about Rage... but check this out:

      Dave Matthews Band "Crash into me"... Apparently the word Crash is just bad stuff. Of course, every time I hear this song, it makes me want to go buy a gun.

      Smashing Pumpkins "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"... I'm assuming for the refrain "music is my airplane"... ummm. That's all I got to say. Ummm. Those lyrics sure are questionable!

      Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Aeroplane"... see above

      Frank Sinatra "New York"... what were they thinking!!!

      People, if you haven't, go read the list. Some of the songs on the list are certainly questionable and callous, but a lot of them are really good music that just happens to mention a word or two. The music itself and its message doesn't come anywhere near questionable, but it has a keyword in it...

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    3. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by EisPick · · Score: 2

      The entire list seems to be, much like the FBI's monitoring program, generated from keywords

      Another good example: Why else would they ban "Wipeout"?

    4. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by DeadMeat+(TM) · · Score: 2
      Actually "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" is the one with the refrain "Despite all my rage/I am still just a rat in a cage."

      That said, after reading the list, I'm wondering if it's genuine or not. Why would they ban Alien Ant Farm's cover of "Smooth Criminal" but not Michael Jackson's original version? And some of the bannings like "What A Wonderful World" don't even make any sense.

    5. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by merlin_jim · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the correction! That puts Bullet with Butterfly Wings on the barely questionable list...

      Yeah, a lot of this just doesn't make sense. I'm calling friends now, urging them to boycott ClearChannel radio in our area.

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    6. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2
      "The entire list seems to be, much like the FBI's monitoring program, generated from keywords."

      On the other hand, a keyword could be all it takes for a DJ to generate some completely tasteless, pseudo-innocuous on-air comment that would get a station in deep shit.

      Imagine, for example:
      "We here at KPX wish to express our deepest regret over what happened in the WTC incident. I know I, personally, would give my life if it meant saving the victims of the horrible tragedy. (pause) And now Dave Matthews' Band, 'Crash into Me'."

      Still, I think in a number of cases, Clear Channel has erred on the side of raging stupidity ("Imagine" is especially appropriate right now, with all the racial violence going on in the US; "Walk like an Egyptian" seems to be a racist choice of equating any and all Middle-Easterners with the terrorists).

    7. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Dave Matthews Band "Crash into me"... Apparently the word Crash is just bad stuff.

      "Crash into me" is likely going to be immediately associated with an airplane crashing into a building right now.

      Smashing Pumpkins "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"... I'm assuming for the refrain "music is my airplane"... ummm

      Ummm, I'm guessing it's the title. The hijackers turned airplanes into "bullets with butterfly wings."

      People, if you haven't, go read the list. Some of the songs on the list are certainly questionable and callous, but a lot of them are really good music that just happens to mention a word or two. The music itself and its message doesn't come anywhere near questionable, but it has a keyword in it...

      Apparantly you don't understand the point of a list such as this. You seem to think this music has been banned from the radio for all time? Music on the radio is meant to be enjoyed. Most people, after the WTC events, would pick up on these "keywords" or themes and stop enjoying the music -- and possibly TURN THE CHANNEL.

      It's called being sensitive. It's why HBO and the other movie channels have been running different movies in place of the scheduled "Passenger 57" and "Die Hard" reruns. It's why Hollywood has postponed or changed certain movies.

      These people are trying to ENTERTAIN us. Right now, things that trigger thoughts of WTC are not very entertaining.

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    8. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by merlin_jim · · Score: 2

      Apparantly you don't understand the point of a list such as this. You seem to think this music has been banned from the radio for all time? Music on the radio is meant to be enjoyed. Most people, after the WTC events, would pick up on these "keywords" or themes and stop enjoying the music -- and possibly TURN THE CHANNEL.

      I understand that, and you make good points about a few of the songs I mentioned, but I think they are clearly erring on the side of stupidity in this case. A lot of the songs on the list are ANTI-war or ANTI-terrorism, just the sort of thing we should be listening to. And about turning the channel? I'm already calling all my friends, asking them not to support Clear Channel radio. I don't see how they really accomplished that objective...

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    9. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by ocie · · Score: 2

      What's next? Ban all songs by Jefferson Airplane, but none by Jefferson Starship?

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    10. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2

      Of course it's blind censorship. There are several anti-war and anti-violence songs on the list. For crying out loud, they've banned the Beatles' "Obla Di, Obla Da", which has got to be one of the least offensive songs of all time. What did they do, take a list of song and throw darts at it?

      I don't know about this supposed war on terrorism, but it looks like we're already losing the war on drooling stupidity.

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    11. Re:Vendetta against Rage? by csbruce · · Score: 2

      Unbelievable. Seriously; this whole list, and the thinking of the people who came up with it, just absolutely boggles the mind.

      On the plus side, they'll be facing a massive backlash and PR disaster.

  22. Missed a song by stinkydog · · Score: 2

    "Never be Rude to an Arab" By Monty Python

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  23. Re:Online radio by rm-r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't it Ironic, dont you think?

    What gets me is the large amount of songs which are only teniously related to this and the general anti-war (what is it good for?) songs on the list. It's almost as if the station is asking you not to think about the solution to this problem (IMHO it isn't bombing the shit out of a country which has had 20 years of having the shit bombed out of it)

    I'm all for showing a little consideration, 'Leaving on a jet plane' is certainly guaranteed to upset someone who has lost a loved one, but any RATM song? this situation kind of reminds me of their song 'Bullet in the head' -Nothing proper 'bout your propaganda...

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  24. Re:This isn't censorship, it's good taste by NMerriam · · Score: 2

    To those of you who can't tell the difference between censorship and taste-

    Are these mutually exclusive? Is it not possible to censor based on taste?

    This is censorship. It may also be taste. If so, its pretty poor taste. I don't know of many people working the WTC who would beat you up for playing Neil Diamond's "America" (well, maybe for playing Neil Diamond)...

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  25. Can you say, "all-request friday?" by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

    Everyone call in requests for these songs, especially things like "Walk like an Egyptian" and "Obla Di, Obla Da" which are just fun, bouncy songs that have nothing sinister about them, except what's implied by their appearance on ClearChannel's list.

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  26. Re:This isn't censorship, it's good taste by RasputinAXP · · Score: 2
    For a radio station to list these songs out and say 'you know, these might cause hurt and anguish to some of our listeners, so maybe we shouldn't play them' is absolutely a great call, and I commend them for it.

    Could you PLEASE explain to me what hurt and anguish could be caused by 99 Red Balloons?

    Other than the voice of the singer, that is.

  27. Re:far sighted by Publicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that'll only be the beginning of words that will be banned from use on the air by Clear Channel. Soon things will not be "amazing," but rather "double interesting," or for more emphasis, "double double interesting." News will not be "shocking," but rather "double arousing." I think you get my drift.

    Do you think the terrorists had a problem with American Culture? It's nice that we're doing away with it, so we don't make anyone angry.

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    My Karma was at 49, then they switched to words. All that work for nothing!

  28. A few highlights from the list by Foochar · · Score: 2

    Here are a few highlights from the list...
    REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It" - Why does everyone always pick on this song without listening to what they are really saying. Everyopne always stops after reading the first six words of the title.
    The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da" - The only offense I can think of for this song is that it says "Life goes on" and isn't that what everyone has been saying anyway, that we need to try and return to normal
    U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday" - This song speaks out against terroism, rather blatantly.
    Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve" - What are we doing, banning any song that mentions death in any way?
    Lenny Kravitz "Fly Away" - Or any song that mentions air travel?

    I can see banning a few songs, but they have just decimated the play list, not only of Rock stations, but of oldies stations as well. I would say that about half of the list predates 1980! In my opinion they are fully within their rights to do this, but they are making an ill reasoned bussiness decision.

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  29. Re:Here's the list by MrKevvy · · Score: 2

    Hehe... they banned two of Pink Floyd's from The Wall: "Mother" because of a single "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb?" line and "Run Like Hell" because it deals with organized brutality ala Nazism but completely missed the one from The Wall that I expected that they would target: "Goodbye Blue Sky"

    Did-did-did-did you see the frightened ones?
    Did-did-did-did you hear the falling bombs?
    Did-did-did-did you ever wonder why we had to run to run for shelter when the promise of a Brave New World unfurled beneath the clear blue sky?

    Did-did-did-did you see the frightened ones?
    Did-did-did-did you hear the falling bombs?
    The flames are all long gone but the pain lingers on.
    Goodbye, blue sky...
    Goodbye, blue sky...
    Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye...


    (This is from memory.) Yes, I had a little listen after the events of September 11th.

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  30. entirely messed up by ragnar · · Score: 2

    I find it ironic that radio stations are bastardizing songs with tacky media recorded overlays, yet they come up with a "do not play" list. How is it somehow sensitive and polite to take Enya's "Only Time" and overlay it with sounds of crashing, crying and voices of fear, yet it would be unsettling to play Louis Armstrong's "What A Wonderful World". I'm not making this up, and I've also heard tacky heart-tugs with Bette Middler's "From a Distance" song. Sick, just plain sick.

    These people have no foot to stand on to tell us about respect and decency in my opinion.

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  31. Since when... by isorox · · Score: 2

    Were dongs like "Bridge over troubled water", "Mack the knife" and "Tikka to ride" anything to do with 9/11? Is there anyone in the world that doesnt like at least one song on there? They've got everything from the 30's onwards, from heavy goth to light ballards.

    OK, there are some songs on there it would have been insensitive to play on the day of the tradgedy, or shortly after, however I'd hope that radio DJ's can judge this for themselves. Fresh DJ's with only a couple of weeks under their belts at our uni radio station can.

    This conglomerate is worse then the BBC in the UK. At least they dont ahve a guarenteed income and have to answer to their listeners (unlike the BBC who's anti america, anti UK, anti Europe view scares me). I hope that listeners write in and complain to TPTB. It's not the DJ's fault, they get the sack if they play them.

    Still, there are other stations (I guess, I know very little about american radio)

  32. not much left by mach-5 · · Score: 2

    I hope our local rock station isn't owned by clear channel...there won't be much left for them to play.

  33. Corp Slaves Revolt at WMAD by bmasel · · Score: 2

    I fed the Story to WTDY, a locally owned talk station here in Madison, WI, they've been teasing the Competition all morning. Now WMAD, a Clear Channel station, is defying Corporate HQ, and playing banned songs too.

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  34. 9/11 and Big Media's Reaction by Thomas+M+Hughes · · Score: 2

    This is something I've found rather interesting in the wake of the events of 9/11. There has been a big push to pull elements directed at children that spread the wrong ideals, or so it would seem. While this is an understandable reaction (one would think), this doesn't always imply pulling "violent" messages. Quite the contrary.

    As mentioned in this story, they pulled the anti-war song "99 Red Balloons." As mentioned a few days ago, Cartoon Network pulled a cartoon called "Mobile Suit Gundam", which often times treats war as something that greedy leaders start and average soldiers have to fight, even though its meaningless.

    To me, pulling shows like this implies that Big Media is going the patriotic route, and not the critical route if and when a war starts. They clearly don't want the young men who are going to the war to have "anti-war" sentiments, as that might discourage enlistment for our upcoming battle. This disturbs me more than the pulling of entertainment with violent messages.

    As an odd side note, Cartoon Network still plays "Dragonball Z", where fighting and combat is seen as something enjoyable, fun and looked forward to. In fact, it now runs for two hours instead of one, in wake of recent events.

    Someone needs to remain critical, if for nothing else, to play Devil's Advocate. I don't like when all I have is one description of how its going to be.

    1. Re:9/11 and Big Media's Reaction by Genom · · Score: 2

      Probably the reason Gundam was pulled is because it pushes a VERY strong anti-war message. It often takes the track of showing just how devestating and horrible war can be -- the big robots are juyst a means to an end. Overall, the series' have a VERY pacifistic message, for the most part. Wouldn't want the kiddies picking up on the "war is bad" rhetoric, would we? Besides, it often shows the military in a bad light, and we know we can't be teaching that either, can we? ;P

      Dragonball/Dragonball z, on the other hand, aren't dealing with war at all - they mostly deal with superpowered martial artists who do completely impossible things - in short, it's complete fantasy. Not that Gundam isn't - but it's at least closer to being possible than Dragonball.

      I don't agree with pulling it - and I don't agree with the propaganda-inspired imagery the media is, as a whole, trying to push. Last week's attacks were a tragedy - yes. They were horrible, and those responsible need to be brought to justice. But I'm quickly becoming convinced that the Justice we're seeking is merely a witch-hunt, and is being used as an excuse to push other agendas...

  35. Your country can listen to whatever they want... by Walles · · Score: 2
    ... just not from Clearchannel. They haven't "decided that the country (USA) shouldn't be listening" to anything, they have opted not to play it to their listeners.

    You do have more than one radio station, haven't you? If lots of people think Clearchannel are behaving like idiots, rest assured that they will change this decision fast.

    Cheers //Johan

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  36. Songs they've forgotten by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 2

    If they think they've got ALL subversive, pacifist hippie music on the list, they've got another thing coming! They OBSVIOUSLY missed "the wall" by pink floyd. Jefferson Airplane, Frank Zappa. The list goes on. Ruby Tuesday by the Stones? What about "Sympathy for the Devil"? That must be much worse for the victims.

    This sounds more like a jippo than a real concern, though I resent them for banning peaceloving music. Oh. And there is almost NO teen-bop in the list. I guess that's what the classic rock stations will have to play, now that all relevant music is boycotted.

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  37. Gnutella download list by MxTxL · · Score: 3
    Not that I believe this list is true, which I don't, but if it were, this list would make excellent input to your favorite Gnutella client, don't rest until you've downloaded all of them.

    If you're interested in a little geektavisim, you could then burn all the MP3s to CD audio and distribute them for free at all Clear Channel(TM) events with some propaganda stating how evil they are and how they've banned these (whichever 13 or so are on the CD) and other songs, include the list if you like.

    1. Re:Gnutella download list by Fjord · · Score: 2

      And then get arrested for distributing copyrighted matierial.

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    2. Re:Gnutella download list by MxTxL · · Score: 2
      Haha, that's true. Wouldn't THAT be a slap in the face? Well, at least you would be a martyr for The Cause(tm).

      If you wanted to be really tricky, and again only if the list were true, you could argue that you were practicing your first ammendment rights in taking a stand against the evil corporate censorship. I bet you could get a judge to buy it. Besides, you weren't charging money for them.

    3. Re:Gnutella download list by MxTxL · · Score: 2
      Oops, sorry, I forgot to put the ever cool source tags on my post. It should read:

      <sarcasm>

      Text of post

      </sarcasm>

      I keep forgetting that people around here need to see that stuff to tell.

    4. Re:Gnutella download list by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      I keep forgetting that people around here need to see that stuff to tell.

      Well let's see. I can't see your face or hear the inflection in your voice, and your ideas were typical of shit I've seen posted by serious people on slashdot in the past.

      So, yes, in that case you would need to indicate that you're joking somehow. I find liberal use of CAPITALIZED WORDS and exclamation points help A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  38. IMAGINE! by Judas96' · · Score: 3, Interesting

    John Lennon's song Imagine is on the list. Isn't that song meant to promote peace? I can see why you wouldn't want people thinking about that... It would just be wrong.
    I must have missed the subliminal messages within the song that can only be heard by a Radio Executive.

    1. Re:IMAGINE! by Luminous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the President is promoting war, anyone who is promoting peace is 'anti-American', at least in Dubya's point-of-view.

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    2. Re:IMAGINE! by WNight · · Score: 2

      Heh, your responses would seem to indicate that you're right.

      It does look like Bush wants a war, for various reasons, and the people are happy giving it to him.

      I doubt there's a conspiracy in the music industry, but if these people are where they are because of business savy, I bet they're fairly good at reading the political climate and avoiding sensitive issues.

  39. Someone did not get the memo by stinkydog · · Score: 2

    I am listening to my local coperate alt rock station (WXEG Clear Channel Dayton Ohio). In the last hour I have heard:

    Bullet with Butterfly Wings
    Head Like a Hole
    Speed Kills

    Here in Ohio we don't have to worry about the list.

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  40. It's a PLANE CRASH SONG. by hatless · · Score: 2

    "American Pie" is a song about a plane crash. I think I can go a few weeks without songs about plane crashes unless maybe someone writes or unearths a fitting one relevant to this that makes life more bearable.

    1. Re:It's a PLANE CRASH SONG. by frog51 · · Score: 2

      I've enjoyed it for years and never once did it occur to me that it was about a plane crash. It just is a good uplifting bouncy song with a serious feelgood factor.

      Same as most of the other songs on the list

    2. Re:It's a PLANE CRASH SONG. by Watts+Martin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As others have pointed out, "American Pie" isn't as much a 'plane crash song' as it is about changing times and worldviews. Don McLean wrote about "the day the music died" as a focal point, an event after which the way everyone related to their country and their world changed. This change could only be marked (to McLean) with a melancholy, a recognition that beyond the tangible, clear losses, something intangible--but just as irreplaceable--had also been lost.

      How Clear Channel sees it is their business (literally), but it seems to me those thoughts are more timely at this moment than they've been in decades.

  41. Re:Online radio by Zaknafein500 · · Score: 2

    Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"

    This just proves how ignorant radio execs are about music. This song in paticular has to do with a peeping tom, and nothing to do with a crash of any sort.

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  42. Re:Here's the list by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

    Goodbye Blue Sky wasn't a single.

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  43. Ironic.... by plastickiwi · · Score: 2

    ... that Alanis Morrisette made the list, but Was (Not Was)'s "I Blew Up the United States" didn't?

    Dontcha think?

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  44. Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525" by derrickh · · Score: 2

    Is this the theme music to my favorite cancelled show, Cleopatra 2525?

    In the yeaaaaaaar 2525, she has the will to surviiiive

    D

    1. Re:Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525" by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Not quite. Cleopatra 2525 used the same music, but changed the lyrics.

      The song is about (IIRC) war, nuclear apocalypse, and the tenacity of the human spirit.

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    2. Re:Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525" by john@iastate.edu · · Score: 2
      The song is about (IIRC) war, nuclear apocalypse, and the tenacity of the human spirit.

      Hardly! It's about the more technology advances, the more people become worthless lumps.

      PS, It's Zager and Evans.

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  45. Re:How about some "Cure"? by Salsaman · · Score: 2

    Hehe, I noticed that too :-)

  46. 4 They Missed by bmasel · · Score: 2

    "I Don't Wanna Get Drafted" (Frank Zappa)
    "Alice's Restaurant" (Arlo Guthrie)
    "Working for the Clampdown" (Clash)
    "Ain't Gonna Work on Maggie's Farm No More" (Dylan)

    which their DJs should play as they empty their desks.

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  47. What about Public Enemy? by derrickh · · Score: 2

    '911 is a Joke'... But it's not as if any stations ever played it anyway.

    D

  48. Re:This isn't censorship, it's good taste by Quila · · Score: 2

    Hey! She has a nice voice in German.

    The accent's so thick in the English version, I don't think she even knew English.

  49. Let's get this right... by jd · · Score: 2
    "Bridge over Troubled Water" and "Stairway to Heaven" are somehow monsterous evils that must be eradicated.


    At the same time, how much Death Metal got on the list? I don't recall seeing "South of Heaven" or "Blood for the Blood God" on there.


    What this is REALLY about - and you'll see more and more of it, as time goes on - is hostility towards people on the fringes of society. Being "different" is to be an "enemy of the State". We've seen it before. We'll no doubt see it again.


    THAT is why "extremist" music is just fine, but anti-hate music is being burned at the stake.


    Sure, the radio stations have the "right" to play what they like. That's part of living in a free country. On the other hand, selective discrimination on grounds other than appropriateness for the channel and the time-slot is censorship. Self-censorship, sure, but censorship none-the-less.


    What is FAR more disturbing than the censorship, though, is the subliminal message this puts across - that of "Pro-hate" and "Pro-war". If you want a sure-fire way of turning America into a hot-bed of sectarian violence, this is the perfect recipe.

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  50. The problem's not censorship, it's monopoly by homunq · · Score: 2

    OK, well obviously ClearChannel doesn't have a monopoly, you can easily tune to a non-clearchannel station. But the point is that as more and more media get owned by fewer and fewer bigger companies, not only do everyone's choices diminish (duh) but even within those diminished choices you still have will be fundamentally _less_ open to pesky unprofitables such as journalistic or DJ ethics. These guys are in it for the bucks - not selling music to listeners, but selling listeners to the even-more-lovable music publishing industry.

    The solution is therefore not to squawk at ClearChannel but to push for anti-monopoly measures such as real antitrust and community low-power radio. In other words, hee hee, ITS MICROSOFT'S FAULT.

  51. Re:It's a Sin by Genom · · Score: 2

    How is a song about a youngster's rage against themself and their father related to recent events?

    ?

  52. Re:er, sorry man, but SUNDAY BLOODAY SUNDAY??? by JWhitlock · · Score: 2
    Here's the lyrics:

    I can't believe the news today,
    I can't close my eyes and make it go away.
    How long, how long must we sing this song?
    How long? Tonight we can be as one.
    Broken bottles under children's feet,
    Bodies strewn across a dead end street,
    But I won't heed the battle call,
    It puts my back up, puts my back up against the wall.

    Sunday, bloody Sunday.
    Sunday, bloody Sunday.

    And the battle's just begun,
    There's many lost, but tell me who has won?
    The trenches dug within our hearts,
    And mothers, children, brothers, sisters torn apart.

    Sunday, bloody Sunday.
    Sunday, bloody Sunday.

    How long, how long must we sing this song?
    How long, Tonight we can be as one.
    Tonight, tonight.

    Sunday, bloody Sunday.
    Sunday, bloody Sunday.

    Wipe the tears from your eyes,
    Wipe your tears away,
    Wipe your blood shot eyes.

    Sunday, bloody Sunday.
    Sunday, bloody Sunday.

    And it's true we are immune.
    When fact is fiction and T.V. is reality,
    And today the millions cry,
    We eat and drink while tomorrow they die.
    The real battle just begun.
    To claim the victory Jesus won,
    On a Sunday bloody Sunday,
    Sunday bloody Sunday.

    Are they anti-war? ( "But I won't heed the battle call, / It puts my back up, puts my back up against the wall." )

    Do they just acknowledge the loss? (" And the battle's just begun, /There's many lost, but tell me who has won? / The trenches dug within our hearts, / And mothers, children, brothers, sisters torn apart." )

    Are they a call to Christian forgiveness and values? ( "The real battle just begun. / To claim the victory Jesus won, / On a Sunday bloody Sunday, / Sunday bloody Sunday." )

    Are they a call to bomb those Islamic bastards? ( "The real battle just begun. / To claim the victory Jesus won, / On a Sunday bloody Sunday, / Sunday bloody Sunday." )

    Is it a question of, "why did they die and not us? ( "And today the millions cry, / We eat and drink while tomorrow they die." )

    Or is it a call to get on with our lives, and exact revenge at a later date? ( "And today the millions cry, / We eat and drink while tomorrow they die." )

    Still, I agree - stupid to ban a song that advocates a thoughtful position toward violence. - or maybe it was for the Edge's amazing guitar work (which would help explain the Rage Against the Machine ban).

    BTW - Clear Channel has banned your sig. - "The urge to destroy is a creative urge. - M. Bakunin "

  53. No... It's not a ban, just a suggestion! by linuxrunner · · Score: 2, Informative

    I sent an e-mail to my local clear channel radio station after reading this and this is the response:


    no. its just a list of songs that may be inappropriate (and thats left to the broadcasters discretion) when
    coming out of a news report....

    you know, a news story about the world trade center into "Bodies" by Drowning Pool....would not sound right.
    Its just a guide...

    No banning. At least not that anyone's told me..

    g


    I hope this shed's some light on the issue!

    Linuxrunner

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  54. Re:Here's the list by iomud · · Score: 2

    look mommy its an airplane up in the sky...

  55. Re:BBC Radio banned multiple songs during the atta by MxTxL · · Score: 2

    Yes, that is sick, tasteless and very insensitive, and I'm ashamed of it, but I think it's the funniest thing I've heard all week.

  56. I see the rationale by Hangtime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The songs are not going to be banned for all-time they are just being put up for awhile. If will not affect anyone's lives that they can't get their fix of Megadeth or Metallica. However, I do see the rationale of postponing the playlist at this juncture. The last thing I would want is to have a member of a survivor's family turn on the radio and hear "Stairway to Heaven" and breakdown in tears because they had a family member in the WTC. I don't believe its censorship, I do believe its a conscious decision to think about possible listeners. If you like the songs then go buy/download them and play them to your heart's content. We sometimes forget that its not about just our rights but about the rights of others as well.

    HT

  57. The Cure by duvel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I would have expected to see The Cure's 'Killing an Arab' in the list.

    The song starts of:

    Standing at the beach with a gun in my hand
    Staring at the sea, staring at the sand.
    Whatever I choose it amounts to the same
    Absolutely nothing
    I'm alive
    I'm dead
    I'm a stranger
    Killing an Arab

    Probably just an oversight from ClearChannel.

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  58. Vendetta against rock and roll by mickeyreznor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did anyone else no that there was NOT A SINGLE HIP-HOP SONG! Also there were VERY FEW pop songs. Call me paranoid, but I think this a direct attack on rock and roll. Does anyone else think we're slipping into the 50's, where rock and roll is now the scapegoat for anything that goes wrong in america?

    1. Re:Vendetta against rock and roll by Redhawk · · Score: 2

      Or maybe, just maybe, it's because ClearChannel doesn't OWN any hip-hop/rap/what-have-you stations?

      Sheesh. Read the Salon article. Urban Radio's a whole 'nother ball of wax.

      Redhawk

  59. Complete insanity-- where will it end? by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I get home from work tonight, Clear Channel will be getting a very angry email from me.

    In light of what happened last week, I can certainly see some aspects of the entertainment industry being affected (like that CD cover art from The Coup being pulled), but some of these knee-jerk overreactions are just going too fucking far.

    As soon as I heard Microsoft was pulling the WTC out of the landscape in Flight Simulator 2002, I ordered FS 2000. I want to remember that those buildings were there. Everyone else seems to want to chuck them down some sort of memory hole.

    I can't stop wondering where this insanity will end. Will TBS stop showing Trading Places all the time, because toward the end Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy are shown walking into, horror of horrors, the intact World Trade Center? Perhaps they'll just edit out the "offensive" parts, and we'll jump right from Dan & Eddie getting on a train to NYC from Philadelphia's 30th Street Station, to the scene at the very end, where they are on the beach of a tropical island-- with no explanation of how they got there.

    IMHO, trying to erase the "disturbing" images of the towers as they once stood from all media is an affront to the memory of those who died there last week.

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Complete insanity-- where will it end? by tb3 · · Score: 2

      Worse, you'll never again see the 1976 re-make of King Kong with the climatic battle atop the World Trade Center instead of the Empire State Building.

      Oh, wait. That's a good thing. The movie sucked :)

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  60. To everybody that tried to correct me... by scott1853 · · Score: 2

    Fuck you idiots. I don't care if he's Canadian, or if it wasn't intended to be an American song. The writers origins are irrelavent. This is a great song and should be sung even during this tragedy, maybe even more so. Singing about sadness isn't the end of the world, neither is remembering what happened just last week.

    1. Re:To everybody that tried to correct me... by scott1853 · · Score: 2

      Good. It's about someone dying in a plane crash. Isn't that what's happened? Since when has run and hide been the "American way"? Personally I'd like to hear songs related to what's happened, it puts everything in perspective. Did anybody ban "Ohio"? It was written directly about a tragedy. Musicians are going to write songs about this event, should we pre-emptively ban them from doing so?

  61. McCarthy Rides Again by NoNeeeed · · Score: 2

    What disturbes me here is the definition of "questionable content".

    I can entirely understand the removal of songs that were distastful, much in the same way games and film companies are removing references to, or images of the twin towers. That is simply a matter of taste. But banning anti-war or pro-peace songs is far more worrying. It's saying that "The US is going to war, and if you disagree then you are wrong".

    The McCarthy witchhunts were ostensibly (sic) about protecting the US from the Communist Threat. The irony was that in doing so, they sacrificed the very thing they claimed to be protecting, namely freedom; to think and say what you want, and not be persecuted for it.

    During the Vietnam war, people who disagreed with the policy were regarded as anti-american. The whole point of democracy is that everyones opinion, no matter how vial it may seem to others, is equally valid.


    I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.
    Voltaire (1694 - 1778)


    We are seeing the whole Nam/McCarthy thing happening again. With the stated aim of protecting freedom, we are having it systematically removed.

    Americans are now only allowed to think what they are told to think by their government and the media (which generally goes along the same lines).

    In trying to destroy this evil, you are becomming what you despise.

    The terrorists have done far more damage than I think they could have hoped for, and I do not think America will realise this until it is too late.

    A sympathetic, and very concerned Brit.

    1. Re:McCarthy Rides Again by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > But banning anti-war or pro-peace songs is far more worrying. It's saying that "The US is going to war, and if you disagree then you are wrong".

      I would point out, however, that there are relatively few "pro-war" songs. Artists tend not to be a very militant lot, you know.

      Side note - for those who saw my reference to KMFDM but are unfamiliar with the group, they're notorious for being tongue-in-cheek about themselves and their musical genre. Most obvious example - in-joke references to half their discography in KMFDM Sucks. Their "serious" lyrics may use violent imagery, but advocate a position of nonviolence.

      Back on topic again:

      My guess is that CC, (as evil as their other business practices may be), isn't trying to "gird the nation for war" by "censoring" peaceful songs - they're just trying to create market share by providing a space as free as possible from anything that might remind people of the WTC attack.

      For people who want news and updates, there's plenty on talk radio and the AM dial. For people who want to escape from all of that, there's CC's 50-75% of the FM dial.

      (But I confess I'm still boggled by pulling "Walk Like an Egyptian". Sheesh!)

  62. Sense and sensability by SilentChris · · Score: 2
    One thing free speech advocates don't seem to consider is the relative proximity of the events to the measures being taken. There's something inherent in freedom: you have to know how to use it. Yes, I'm free to say what I feel like. Others are free to kill people down their street. It's when YOUR freedom impedes on ANOTHER'S freedom do you get these thorny issues.

    Personally, I don't think anyone who was in the immediate area (I live in NJ) would even come close to arguing that we can take a break from the violent images in the media. We have been inundated lately -- a virtual information overload of the sights and sounds of the WTC -- and I for one look to turn the media off at the end of the day. I DON'T think it's unreasonable at all to take a break for a week or two from this stuff. We are NOT losing our civil liberties, NO ONE has proposed this as a permanent "solution". It's a matter of being respectful to those who have too much pain to deal with already.

    I mean, hell, I even changed the "blood" setting in Perfect Dark to "paintball" the last few days playing it. Do I really need to see more blood?

  63. Re:Tuesday's Gone by Midnight+Ryder · · Score: 2

    I didn't see Lynard Skynard's Tuesdays Gone on the list.


    It's on the list of banned songs, right between Edwin Starr's "War" and Lip Bizkit "Break Stuff".

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  64. Chilling effect by websensei · · Score: 2

    This is not particularly suprising.
    The ramifications of the tragedy -- the full implications of the impact it's had on our collective psyche -- will be impossible to gauge for months yet. But it is clear that in addition to paving the way for violations of civil liberties by the federal government, the attack has had quite an effect on corporate america, including the music industry. I refer not to its financial impact, rather the changes it is wreaking in the political climate of these large organizations. They are steering well clear of ANYthing that might be construed as controversial or sympathetic in any way to those responsible for the attack. The irony, of course, is that in excercising their typically befuddled judgement they self-censor the most pro-American, anti-terrorist, community-strengthening and potentially healing songs in their archives. This is a time when we need these songs most, but they are so afraid to misstep in this time of crisis that they do us all the worst disservice they could, giving the terrorists one more of countless small victories in their struggle to destroy our way of life.

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  65. Pallex's fundamental misunderstanding by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Yes. Thats exactly it. Otherwise another company/individual can do it."

    No. Your repeated postings seem to indicate an inability to differentiate between "censorship of the American public as a whole" (for example, the FCC declaring that you can't show bare breasts on broadcast television) and "censorship by a corporate entity of its own content" (for example, Fox Family channel voluntarily censoring the word "damn" as part of the more family friendly programming they want to produce).

    Now, just because something isn't government censorship doesn't mean it's not censorship. However, just because something isn't government censorship doesn't mean it's a good thing. It also doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Each case must be examined on its own merits. Also, it being a bad thing is not synonymous with illegal. For example, if a given publisher chose to stop carrying stories on Linux, that wouldn't be illegal (as far as I know), but it would certainly be a bad thing. They would receive certainly criticism (rightfully so, IMO) for their non-illegal censorship.

    Of course all that being said, things get a little more interesting. Clear Channel isn't on equal footing with other companies. Like Microsoft, they enjoy a rather large market share. Furthermore, they've been granted the right to use a limited, public resource (part of the radio spectrum) by the government. This places there actions under much greater scrutiny. Unlike, say, the widget manufacturing industry, a new-comer can't decide to pop into the radio market and start playing the songs in question. As such, their situation is closer to government censorship. However, regardless, their overall actions are still censorship and should be scrutinized by consumers.

    1. Re:Pallex's fundamental misunderstanding by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2
      "I was talking about censorship in the harsh, final definition - its banned and therefore very hard/impossible to access."

      Well, in that sense, you're correct. It's not something that abridges free speech. However, I still feel that it's an important issue, and the term 'censorship' is still accurate.

      "But in this case, ClearChannel (who i`ve never heard of before now) seem to be censoring themselves."

      The own a lot of radio stations. According to this Salon article from April, they owned 1,200 stations, and they've got representation in 247 of the 250 largest markets. In my local market, I'm aware of at least 4 Clear Channel stations (2 of them talk radio where "Clear Channel" was mentioned regularly, 1 of them I discovered only recently when they mentioned using news coverage from one of their "Clear Channel sister stations", and 1 I discovered just now from the Salon article), and I suspect there are more as it's not always obvious that it's a Clear Channel station.

      So, as a result, they're censorsing a non-trivial portion of American airwaves. It may be self-imposed censorship, but it's not immune to scrutiny, especially by people who listen to the stations in question.

  66. Day after day by rasjani · · Score: 2

    ... its more clearer that U.S. as "land of the free" is more a joke than a truth. But hey, atleast you can still have arms.

    Once when i was kid, i idolized usa as really cool thing, now all i can do is to laugh. I feel sorry for you guys. Even sorries for those who sees this "list" and all such bullshit as good thing.

    Voice of sanity has spoken.

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  67. FLA Mindphaser by TheSync · · Score: 2

    They forgot Front Line Assembly Mindphaser:

    "The kill is swift
    It makes no sound
    Aggression take its toll
    Rhythm of violence
    Cuts through the air
    There's no more control
    The sky turns brighter, a evil red
    Missiles fly through the air
    Shattered dreams
    Shattered hopes
    There's bodies everywhere"

    Oh wait, no radio stations play FLA anyway. Damn! I want my XM Radio!

    1. Re:FLA Mindphaser by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      >They forgot Front Line Assembly Mindphaser:

      As an FLA fan, I can't resist two obvious one-liners here:

      1) "Yeah, where's a big robotic killing machine when you need one?" ;-)

      2) "But apart from that one track, did any of FLA's lyrics ever make sense?"

      And as long as we're on the subject - I live enough to a large US city that I hope I get to play Front 242's Circling Overland -- often enough that someday I no longer have to worry about waking up to Quite Unusual. (Shouting out maddest props to the pilots who gave us air cover last week. We civilians saw you flying, and I, for one, thank you, as do many others.)

      Back to the /. thread. If you oppose what Clear Channel is doing - turn 'em off. Find music that helps you deal with it. Share it with friends who may have similar tastes. And to hell with mainstream radio.

  68. Re:U2 troll by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 3, Informative
    Sunday, Bloody Sunday" was written when U2 was visiting Libya and they saw the US bomb ... It's not anti-terrorism, it's anti-United States

    Oh really, I always thought that it refered to an event in Northern Ireland's history in 1972 that, unlike the bombing of Libya, is still refered to as "Bloody sunday", and that it was a call to end sectarian violence. See http://larkspirit.com/bloodysunday/ for a clue. U2 are an irish band, and not everything revolves around the US.

    This is just a company trying to be sensitive to people who have had their lives shattered by hate-filled people, and playing songs about plane crashes, death, strife, et. al

    That does seem to be the aim - otherwise why would they ban Talking Head's dada-psychobable funk track "burning down the house" which isn't about violence, it isn't anything coherent at all. Some idiot thought the title might remind someone. Having coped with loss a while back I can tell you that this is a pointless excercise. You get reminded of the loss by the oddest stuff, and there is no way around this but through the grief.

    But it's an ill-chosen, dumb, arbitrary, partisan list - that elvis track, and Loius Armstrong singing "wonderfull world" are out - WTF??

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  69. You're not being forced to listen... by Pope+Slackman · · Score: 2

    One way or another, their songs aren't the best material for right now - the nation does NOT need to be kicked while it's down.

    America.
    The country that still hasn't figured out the "tuner knob" or the "power button".

    Not like any of this is a big loss tho, Rear Channel has sucked donkey nuts for years.

    C-X C-S

  70. Re:ClearChannel TALK Radio is the problem by MxTxL · · Score: 2
    I totally agree, talk radio hosts used to amuse me somewhat, but when you put those same radio "personalities" in front of a serious topic like this, they turn into some real frigging morons! It's like they've never HEARD of any events before the attack.

    "What they bombed our embassies in africa?"

    "I think i heard that there was a marine base somewhere that they blew up too."

    "Apparently Clinton is going to... wait, no, he isn't president anymore, who's the new guy?"

    I mean it's really that bad, some hosts are pretty good, but for the most part, I've been hearing some damn stupid people trying to act damn serious. They can't hack it.

  71. No, it's marketing by DJerman · · Score: 2
    The radio stations get paid by the eardrum. Anything that makes the audience turn the channel or turn off the radio is bad (by their lights). This is just the pablum-ization of the airwaves to prevent loss of market share. Clearly they don't care about the tastefulness or message of the music, only the likelihood that someone, somewhere, will find a reason to stop listening to the commercials.

    Of course, that should tell you something about the quality of programming on the network...

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  72. Re:Radio by ichimunki · · Score: 2

    The terrorists wanted us to all become gullible twits who believe anything we read posted semi-anonymously on the internet? They were dead set on us all turning words like "questionable content" into "banned song list"? They were hoping and praying that large corporations would now become arbitrary and dull-witted? I don't think they needed to do a damn thing to achieve that.

    First of all, even if this list was circulated and is being followed as a "banned" song list (which I tend to doubt since I just heard "Stairway" a day or two ago on a Clear Channel owned classic rock station), it's not like we need these songs on the radio-- most of them have gotten way too much airplay in the last 20 years.

    Second, Clear Channel playlists don't affect my daily life at all. I have an extensive library of songs that no Clear Channel affiliate has ever played on air that I plan to continue listening to. I'd say the FCC helped two or three large radio conglomerates degrade the quality of our daily lives long before Sept. 11, 2001.

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  73. Re:You say censorship, I say good business sense by Tassach · · Score: 2
    Of course you can change the station

    Oh really? What if it's playing in a bar? In the elevator? On the phone while you are on hold? Sorry, but there are lots of circumstances where you can hear the radio but can't change the channel or turn it off.


    While it is a thoughtful gesture to try and avoid upsetting people unnecessarily at a time like this, ill-conceived knee-jerk reactions seldom have the desired effect.



    The only acceptable response to terrorism is to keep on living life as normal. That does not mean that we should forego justice or vengence, nor does it mean that we should not implement prudent, carefully considered security measures to prevent another similar tragedy -- indeed, failure to do these things would be unconcionable. However, if we sacrifice our freedoms to provide an illusion of security, the bastards have won. If we give in to hate, the bastards have won. If we live in fear, the bastards have won. All we can do is mourn the dead, comfort the survivors, clean up the mess, and get on with the rest of our lives.

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  74. Stations Website by scott1853 · · Score: 2

    One of their stations websites nerve951.com has a link to Shoot Osama right from their main page. Unfortunately, ClearChannel owns them so they'll be complying with the ban.

  75. What was the logic behind the list? by pi_rules · · Score: 2

    I'm beginning to doubt the authenticity of the list too. ClearChannel owns a country station in my are and I highly doubt that it's the only one they own... yet I don't see any country on the list (maybe I missed a few). It's mostly top-40 stuff, with some classic rock thrown in there that's still popular for stations that do a mix of things from the 70's to the current day.

    If they -are- banning these songs from their stations I can only presume that they're looking to filter out stations which have the targe age range of 12 years old and up. I was listening to a ClearChannel owned country station last night which was playing songs that dealt with the bombing issues -soley- for the entire day. They were taking requests and dedications to loved ones all night long. This has to be targted just to the "teenie-bop" stations if it even exist.

  76. Re:Your country can listen to whatever they want.. by Christopher+Bibbs · · Score: 2

    When they own four out of the five stations you can pick up in your area, it becomes a bit harder to just turn the dial.

  77. the LCD? by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    No one ever went broke underestimating the taste and emotional capacity of America.

    Clear Channel is intimately familiar with this concept.

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  78. Sometimes It's Just Too Easy.... by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

    OK, once more: RADIO stations don't generally broadcast VIDEO signals.

    Got it now? 8)

    I do, however, agree with your idea. It's a hoot to listen to some phone schmuck at the station trying to tell you your request isn't allowed.

    Virg

  79. Re:This isn't censorship, it's good taste by Carlos+Laviola · · Score: 2

    Don't turn it on, then. Simple. All this bullshit makes me think of all the people who want to censor porn and pretty much everything else they want on the Internet.

    Land of the free...

  80. Rage != Rage Against the Machine by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    Please do not refer to "Rage Against the Machine" as just "Rage."

    There is a real (and rather well-known in some circles) band named Rage that plays true heavy metal (not that rapcore shit). And not only is Rage a real metal band, they are also very good. Peavy Wagner has approximately one and a half billion times as much musical talent in his pickin' hand, than everyone in "Rage Against the Machine" combined. Except that Peavy can also write damned good songs, arrange the music, and sing it too.

    Mixing Peavy's band's name up with RATM is just plain sick. This kind of defamation-by-name-confusion is exactly the reason that trademark law was invented.

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  81. Re:Heard about this yesterday by ebh · · Score: 2
    Not only that, "Spirit in the Sky" is, for all intents and purposes, a prayer:

    You can see the lyrics here.

  82. Among my late mother's 78s... by alumshubby · · Score: 2

    ...I've got an (I think) original-cast recording of the musical Manhattan Towers.

    Not that Clear Channel would touch that kind of nostalgia programming, but if they did, it's dollars to doughnuts that MT would be on the deprecated list.

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  83. I find this more offensive itself. by Kasreyn · · Score: 2

    By blocking these songs out of stupidity, I feel insulted by them. I find this to be a slap in the face to the freedoms the U.S. once stood for. I find it to be disrespectful in the EXTREME both to those slain in the attacks, as well as to adults everywhere.

    I've never liked someone who's got about a 10th of my intelligence treating me like a child for my "own good" which is actually THEIR good. Oh wait, I'm supposed to call that "censorship".

    -Kasreyn

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  84. Haven't you got anything better to worry about? by dazed-n-confused · · Score: 2
    ClearChannel has created a list of banned songs with "questionable content" in light of the recent tragedies.

    Now, call me an establishment stooge, but it seems to me this is because they don't want to inadvertently inflict any further suffering on people who are already undergoing bereavement, tragedy, loss, etc. by broadcasting music that might -- yes, just might -- cause offence.

    Yes, it's been done kinda ineptly (sure, they should have had ready-made lists for every imaginable national tragedy). Yes, I'm sure we can all crawl over the lists and criticise inclusions and omissions, ever-so-cleverly, and even raise spooky spectres (ALL these songs will be banned FOREVER! Solemn military music on all channels!). Yes, we can hitch this to our favourite RIAA or DMCA or DECSS protests.

    But, seriously, kiddies: haven't you got anything more important to be worrying about today? Can you really not see that innocent victims of these atrocities could maybe do with a little bit of sympathy and understanding right about now?

    This isn't censorship -- it's a (ham-fisted, but well-meaning) attempt to do the decent thing by a lot of suffering people. Kinda like pulling "The Towering Inferno" or "Air Force One" from the TV schedules would be.

    OK, mod me down. I'm through.
  85. Not sure it is for real. by Laith · · Score: 2

    Two thoughts on this.

    1) I am in a ClearChannel market, in fact my main radio station driving to and from work is a ClearChannel station, and I have heard a couple songs from that list withing the last 24 hours so unless it is a brand new change the list is a fake.

    2) If you look at the list there are a number of songs that there is no way to justify them as having "questionable content".

    So my personal take is that F***edCompany got a bad report.

  86. Local Clearchannel... by Xibby · · Score: 2

    Hmmm...you know...there's like no country music on that list? I know ClearChannel owns one of the local Country stations. OK, not my main point.

    One of the other ClearChannel stations has the ad for their morning show right next to the WTC news:
    "Here's what's happened today!" in bright cheery yellow. Smooth people.(Cities 97

    Radio in the twin cities sucks. ClearChannel or Infinity, or public radio. Joy.

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  87. Throw off your chains of righteous indignation by andy@petdance.com · · Score: 2
    A few points, kids:
    1. A large corporation has told its business units how to conduct business. It is no different than if McDonald's told its franchise stores how to interact with the customer. Is it censorship for Joe Polyester to have to say "Would you like a hot apple pie with that?", and not say "Bummer about all those dead folks, ma'am"?
    2. Nobody is banning anything. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that because someone doesn't play a song that the song has been "banned". If I come to your house and find that you don't have any Slim Whitman in your CD collection, does that mean that you've "banned" Slim Whitman songs? And is that a problem?
    3. Remember that mass media is, whether we like it or not, business. It's not your personal source for Rage Against The Machine songs. If you're concerned about not being able to hear "Guerilla Radio", then go "The Battle Of Los Angeles". (Which you should do anyway, 'cause it's a damn fine album)

    A more appropriate response to the list is laughter, not righteous indignation at supposed suppression of your rights. If you're going to lament anything, lament the bland and safe state of mass media.

  88. high school by Pope · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my Massachusettes high school (late 80s), the DJ at the dances was not allowed to play "Sunday Bloody Sunday" but was allowed to play Eric Clapton's "Cocaine."

    No, there's no making sense of any of it.

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  89. "My City Was Gone" by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2

    Interesting that this is on their list. Why? Because Rush Limbaugh uses that tune (the instrumental bits only) as his semi-official theme song. Clear Channel now owns Premiere Networks, which is the syndicator of Rush Limbaugh, and they make every effort to keep it exclusively on Clear Channel stations whenever possible. I mean, I know the lyrics (and title) are why this is on the list, but isn't it ironic (oops, another song from the list!) that Clear Channel stations everywhere are broadcasting part of one of these songs five days a week?

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  90. What? No S.O.D. on the list? by oneiros27 · · Score: 2

    Well, as they're not on the list, I guess it's okay to request 'Speak English or Die' or 'Fuck the Middle East'. (Both of which came out during Dessert Storm)

    S.O.D. just isn't getting any respect for their work. Not even managing to get on the banned list with 'Kill Yourself' (yeah, it was anti-suicide, I know), 'We all Bleed Red', or even 'Kill the Assholes'

    It's just a shame that no one listens to speed metal anymore.

    [For those not familiar with S.O.D, it's Scott Ian and Charlie Benante from Anthrax, with Billy Milano from Method of Destruction, and Dan Lilker from Nuclear Assault.... mostly satirical/cynical lyrics with hardcore/thrash/speed metal style music]

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  91. Sunday Bloody Sunday by ocie · · Score: 2

    I can't believe the news today
    I can't close my eyes and make it go away

    This whole sensorship thing puzzles me. No songs mentioning airplanes, fire, or tickets, but some proposed Michael Jackson tribute song will be OK. No images showing the WTC still standing, but a strong desire to rebuild them. No "On broadway", but let's return Manhattan to business.

    There may be lines in these songs that may strike a chord with what happened last week, but that is no reason to stop playing them outright.

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  92. Hey, they forgot to include 'Clawfinger - Nigger' by eddy · · Score: 2

    Oh, that song wasn't even included on the american version of their album Deaf Dumb Blind. I forget.

    Check the lyrics out though (link above)

    Another song of theirs is pretty relevant now, as ever, and that is Two sides (from the 1997 self-titled album). I think that's the only song where after hearing it I thought... "where do I sign?"

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  93. I work for Clear Channel... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Yes the list is legit. It came out last Thursday. 2. They did not ban the songs. They suggested that individual program directors exercise judgement in playing these songs because of the recent terrorist bombing. 3. Originally the list was much smaller. It was added to by the program directors and others at the individual stations. 4. The list was supposed to be internal and confidential. It went out over our private WAN email system. 5. From what I can see, Clear Channel has 'stepped up to the plate' with regard to the terrorism. They're giving a lot of $$ to the Red Cross and others. They have a link on their web page. They're allowing employees to contribute via a deduction in their paychecks. For days after the hijackings they ran information and talk programming about the disaster on practically every station totally commercial free. Though I don't agree with all of CC policies (trust me on this!), I feel that criticizing them fhr the job they've done for the public the past week is ludicrous!

  94. OK. by twitter · · Score: 2
    So we ought to be railing against the really stupid laws that got us here. The usual fodder for Slashdot: stupid copyright laws and stupid new laws about airwave allocation and allowing media cosolidation. Pointing out the consequences of those stupid laws, after predicting them and illustrating how it happens is the way to fight it.

    Now let me make clear one of those consequences. Where I live, I now have about zero chance of hearing any of these boring comercial songs that have been played millions of times before:

    Elvis "(You're the) Devil in Disguise"
    Zombies "She's Not There"
    Elton John "Benny & The Jets"
    Elton John "Daniel"
    Elton John "Rocket Man"
    Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire"
    Kansas "Dust in the Wind"
    Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven"
    The Beatles "A Day in the Life"
    The Beatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
    The Beatles "Ticket To Ride"
    The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da"
    Norman Greenbaum "Spirit in the Sky"
    Brooklyn Bridge "Worst That Could Happen"
    Three Degrees "When Will I See You Again"
    Cat Stevens "Peace Train"
    Cat Stevens "Morning Has Broken"
    Don McLean "American Pie"
    Nina "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons"

    They were cut because their content was somehow offensive to Clear Channel's management. They censored their playlist.

    Accusing ClearChannel of censorship is like accusing a colon of being full of shit.

    Clever. To pharaphrase a movie that lots of people enjoyed, "Ever thought about why everything sounds like shit? How would a machine know how things are supposed to sound? So that's what they have been feeding us."

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  95. Uh, wow. by hatless · · Score: 4, Informative

    The song is directly, and utterly without metaphor, about the plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and J.P. Richardson (the Big Bopper), and how the narrator's world hadn't been the same since, socially, politically, musically and personally.

    McLean's point--and it's a pretty simple one; he isn't exactly James Joyce--is that that plane crash marked the end of the sheltered certainties of the 1950s and the start of what for him were the far more confusing and tumultuous 1960s (Dylan to cute Beatles to scary Beatles to the Summer of Love to Vietnam to Janis Joplin to more, scarier Vietnam).

    "American Pie" isn't a deep song or a complex one, nor is it one open to terribly flexible interpretation. Which doesn't mean it isn't heartfelt or affecting or a good starting point for high school students to look at the 1960s from the perspective of someone whose world changed on February 3, 1959, when a plane crash killed three rock'n'roll singers. Period. It's not a "secret". It's not a "wacky interpretation". It's not a "hidden meaning". It's what the song's about. Sort of like how, say, John Lennon's "Oh, Yoko" is about Yoko and not about, say, the Iranain revolution or basketball.

    Ask your parents. Or read any of the thousands of tedious interviews poor Don McLean has had to slog through in the decades since.

  96. ON radio stations and mass markets. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    Well.. if stations decide not to play stuff, it's because they stand to lose marketshare if they do. It makes sound business sense.

    And that's why huge corporations with huge marketshares will *always* cater to the majority of their customers. Governments are not much different.

  97. These are, after all, DJs. by Zach+Baker · · Score: 2

    This looks like a good idea to me for a business, to save DJs from their own bad taste. And these kind of DJs tend to have pretty horrible taste. I don't think I need to hear these guys slip in a smirkingly irreverent song on the playlist in this case. Typical that you'd have to tell people this in such specific terms, though -- "don't be a jerk" doesn't get you too far with people who are normally jerks anyway.

  98. How about letting the people decide? by AsylumWraith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, I recently had a bad experience with a girl. Being very musically oriented, I associated quite a bit of music with this girl (even went so far as to compile two CDs worth of music that made me think about her for her birthday.)

    I don't talk to her very much now, and hearing some of that same music is, to me, now unbearable. In particular, the local station here plays "Drops of Jupiter" by Train, which I associate with her, a lot. You know what I do? I don't demand that the station stop playing the song, I just turn the volume on my radio down until the song is over.

    Now, I have no problem with being sensitive to the people who've been vicitmized by this tragedy, but I don't think any of them are really worrying about what's being played on the radio right now. And they surely haven't lost their ability to turn their volume down.

    Also, who told these guys at ClearChannel what songs would offend the victims of 9/11/01? "Imagine"? "What A Wonderful World"? "New York, New York"? "Sunday Bloody Sunday"? "Tuesday's Gone"? Hell, I've listened to some of those songs in the past week, along with others on the list that I've failed to mention. None of them have made me overtly think about the tragedy (it's been at the back of my head the entire time.) And some of them were genuinely uplifting.

    How about letting the victims decide what they want to hear, instead of telling them "No, we think this song will be bad for you, so we're not going to let you listen to it."? ClearChannel could actually be making it worse for some people who listen to music for a sort of emotional release.

  99. ClearChannel's stations in your area by bee · · Score: 2

    Here's a url [clearchannel.com] off their website that lets you find out which stations in your area are owned by them, so you know who to complain to/not listen to.

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  100. Update (Response from ClearChannel) by scott1853 · · Score: 2

    I e-mailed my local ClearChannel station (nerve951.com) and somebody responded with a ClearChannel.com e-mail address. They said it was a false rumor, and that list was only songs to be sensitive to and that there was no banning of the songs. Here's the exact messages:

    "Scott,
    the clear channel deal is a false rumor...I hear list was never a mandatory
    thing...
    just songs to be sensitive to last Tuesday...
    people have never been told not to play these songs...
    I'm sorry to other people using a sorrowful time like this to use as a basis
    to a trivial radio war...We all should be united as Americans at this time..
    shame on the company that is lying


    From the grammar it doesn't sound as though it's an exec. I e-mailed the person back and asked what there position at ClearChannel was.

  101. Re:Vendetta against Rage? pink floyd & skinner by alienmole · · Score: 2
    As far as I am concerned, when you are at "War" you are at war with a country. What we are doing at the moment is "policing".

    I was thinking about this the other day. The enemies we're dealing with, in theory, could be rounded up and put in handcuffs, no differently than any other criminals. The whole point of "war" is that large armies fight against other large armies - or even large armies fight against other small armies - but not that large armies fight against small groups of people scattered around the world. The fact that these particular criminals/terrorists are hard to locate and infiltrate can hardly be mitigated by throwing thousands of troops at the problem. I suppose you could argue it's a complex form of psychological warfare against groups like the Taliban. Or perhaps it's just about making "the average American" feel better.

    I'll close with one of the "banned" songs, which is probably pretty appropriate - Pink Floyd's "Mother", from The Wall (interesting to note that the song "Another Brick in the Wall" was banned by the apartheid government of South Africa during rioting there in the '70s - great how America models itself after these shining role models):

    Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb
    Mother do you think they'll like this song
    Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls
    Oooh, Mother should I build a wall

    Mother should I run for president
    Mother should I trust the government
    Mother will they put me in the firing line
    Oooh, Is it just a waste of time

    Hush now baby, baby don't you cry
    Mama's gonna make all of your nightmares come true
    Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you
    Mama's gonna keep you right here under her wing
    She won't let you fly but she might let you sing
    Mama will keep baby cozy and warm
    Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe
    Of course mam'll help build the wall

    Mother do you think she's good enough
    For me
    Mother do you think she's dangerous
    To me
    Mother will she tear your little boy apart
    Oooh, Mother will she break my heart

    Hush now baby, baby don't you cry
    Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you
    Mama won't let anyone dirty get through
    Mama's gonna wait up till you come in
    Mama will always find out where you've been
    Mama's gonna keep baby healthy and clean
    Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe
    You'll always be a baby to me

    Mother, did it need to be so high.

  102. Re:far sighted by jgerman · · Score: 2

    It's ironic that you say that. I'm all for punishment of those who were behind this atrocity, but I can't help watching the media with a critical eye. Last night I was watching a propaganda piece about muslims, listing their, in our culture "evil ways", basically pointing at them and saying look what they do they're DIFFERENT. All I could thing of was "five minute hate".

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  103. Actually, it's a guilt trip by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    Listen to 99 Red Balloons and tell me if you, at the helm of a military juggernaut, would not feel uneasy as you the story in it unfolded.
    • You and I in a little toy shop
    • Buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got
    • Set them free at the break of dawn
    • Til one by one, they were gone
    • Back at base bugs in the software
    • Flash the message, something's out there
    • Floating in the summer sky
    • 99 red balloons go by
    • 99 red balloons
    • Floating in the summer sky
    • Panic bells it's red alert
    • There's something here from somewhere else
    • The war machine springs to life
    • Opens up one eager eye
    • Focusing it on the sky
    • Where 99 red balloons go by
    • 99 Decision street
    • 99 ministers meet
    • To worry, worry, super scurry
    • Call the troops out in a hurry
    • This is what we've waited for
    • This is it boys, this is war
    • The president is on the line
    • As 99 red balloons go by
    • 99 knights of the air
    • Ride super high tech jet fighters
    • Everyone's a super hero Everyone's a Captain Kirk
    • With orders to identify
    • To clarify, and classify
    • Scramble in the summer sky
    • 99 red balloons go by
    • 99 dreams I have had
    • In every one a red balloon
    • It's all over and I'm standing pretty
    • In this dust that was a city
    • If I could find a souvenir
    • Just to prove the world was here
    • And here is a red balloon
    • I think of you, and let it go

    Apparently, the German original has even better imagery as well as better scansion. This is one time I really miss being a polyglot.
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  104. And Dolby's Ride on Joey's Camel by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    Mind you, I'm surprised that Airhead survived this long without being beaten to death by outraged wimmin.

    ``My friends all think; she's a dumb blonde; but they don't know she dyes her hair...''

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  105. So is ``My Boomerang Won't Come Back'' by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    Jojo Fitzblack brings down the flying doctor with his first successful throw, but I don't see that one on the list. Yet.

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  106. They expect people to forget that NYC exists? by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    Frank Sinatra "New York, New York"

    Yeah, right. And a city of - how many? - million people is just going to hide for a while until everyone's happy again... y'know perhaps it would help after all, if the news services stopped replaying the damned thing day and night in case anyone's been living in a cave for the past week and nobody taped it for them.
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  107. If you'd like to contact their executives.... by AugstWest · · Score: 2

    Just follow this link.

    I tried posting the mailto: here, but /. filters wouldn't allow it.

    Please let these people know that if they are this willing to ccensor our music, they are not worthy of the stewardship of such a large percentage of American radio outlets.

    1. Re:If you'd like to contact their executives.... by AugstWest · · Score: 2

      Why can I not post a link to my site at earthlink?

      It's http://home.earthlink.net/~sunnycat1

  108. What a great playlist! by vaxer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm grabbing a copy of each of these songs on Gnutella. I'll burn it to CD-R and call it the "September 11 Collection".

    Yet more evidence that censorship always backfires...

  109. That list cracks me up. by mad_clown · · Score: 2
    I wonder just who decided on some of those songs... I mean really... "Bridge Over Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel?? Just what is the "questionable content" in that song? And how come Cannibal Corpse didn't make the list? Something tells me that "Meathook Sodomy" might have more "questionable content" in it in light of recent events than say.... "Imagine" by John Lennon, which somehow got on the list.

    One can easily understand the rationalle behind banning such musical abortions as "Obladi-Oblada" and "What a Wonderful World" for being morally offensive in this time of crisis for our nation, but banning "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey" by Steam is a travesty.

    Tasteless as it may be, I think it's funny they banned "Disco Inferno," "Crash Into Me," "Ticket to Ride," "Burning Down the House," and "Walk Like an Egyptian." On the plus side, they've also banned popular songs by Alanis Morissette and Korn, so I guess some good came out of this after all.

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    "Cut word lines. Cut music lines. Smash the control images. Smash the control machine." - William S. Burroughs
  110. MP3 by csbruce · · Score: 2

    Are they distributing this list in .pls format?...

  111. Not the same by Wonko42 · · Score: 2
    There's a big difference between censorship and politeness. Many, many people lost friends or family members in the attacks, and most people who didn't lose someone know someone who did. For these people, even the most innocent lyrics in the most innocent song on the radio could very well trigger painful memories.

    This was not an act of censorship, it was an act of sensitivity toward the victims of this tragedy. Grow up, guys...not everything is a conspiracy to strip you of your freedoms. You can still buy all these songs in stores or download them online.

  112. Treasonous sentiments? by Trickster+Coyote · · Score: 2

    Hmmm....

    The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da"..."life goes on..." Yeah, we would want to think of life getting back to normal in any way.

    Youngbloods "Get Together"
    "Come on people now,
    Smile on your brother
    Everybody get together,
    Try to love one another right now."

    At a time when the government is pumping up the rhetoric to whip up people's shock and anger into support for what they admit will be a long and drawn out war, such peaceful urgings may seem treasonous.

    Likewise with "Blowin' in the Wind" Those kind of anti-war folk songs caused enough trouble in the sixties, we wouldn't want them to provoke the population at a time of crises like this.

    Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World" Oh, come on! At times like this we need something to remind us about the good things in life.

    On a slightly different muscical note, on the weekend one of the Canadian TV networks showed a montage of the events and aftermath of last Tuesday. The song (by Don Henley?) they used as background was chillingly true:

    "In a New York minute,
    Everything can change
    In a New York minute
    Everything is strange..."


    Trickster Coyote
    Reality is as reality does."

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  113. No kidding! by DreamingReal · · Score: 2
    Some idiot thought the title might remind someone. Having coped with loss a while back I can tell you that this is a pointless excercise. You get reminded of the loss by the oddest stuff...


    Right on brother. I mean, who would have thought that the networks' 24/7/365 coverage of every single eye-witness testimony, worthless pundit opinion, and Duh-bya's every single move would have reminded me that three planes destroyed three major U.S. landmarks a week ago? It's a good thing they banned those songs b/c we all know that the best way to deal with grief is to never acknowledge it.

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    We want some answers and all that we get
    Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat

    - Ministry
  114. Sweet Bird of Truth - The The by Morbid+Curiosity · · Score: 2

    I don't know what's wrong or right
    I'm just a regular guy with bottled up insides
    I ain't never been to church or believed in Jesus Christ
    But I'm praying that God's with you when you die

    This is your captain calling - with an urgent warning
    We're above the Gulf of Arabia - altitude is falling
    And I can't hold her up - there's no time for thinking
    All hands on deck - this bird is sinking

    I seem to remember hearing that this song, and The Cure's "Killing an Arab", were banned from play by U.S. forces in the Gulf at one time or another.

    "Cue the music, fade to black; no such thing as no payback - take this line, know where it ends - no return, no make amends - is this the future of is this how it will end?" - PWEI, "Everyting's Cool"

  115. Re:This can't be real... List is FUD by susano_otter · · Score: 2

    One of the ClearChannel stations in my area announced on Tuesday an uninterrupted hour of music that would "give a voice to the things we are all feeling" or some such crap. Immediately after making this announcement, they played "Dem Bones" by Alice In Chains and "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd, back to back.

    I'm not kidding.

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    Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

  116. Re:Eagles'/Don Henely's New York Minute seems... by phillymjs · · Score: 2

    On Friday I heard a remix of New York Minute, interspersed with some of the more shudder-worthy clips from the news reports, etc. It was God-awful.

    ~Philly

  117. An obvious one they missed by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

    Show me the country where the bombs had to fall
    Show me the ruins of the buildings once so tall
    And I'll show you a young land with so many reasons why
    There but for fortune go you or I.

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    Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
  118. Re:Online radio by reverius · · Score: 2

    You think that is unrelated to the terrorist attacks? Try "Surfaris - Wipeout". :)

    The song has no lyrics AT ALL except for the word "wipeout", like twice in the song. It's an instrumental surf song. NO LYRICS. :)

  119. Re:respect for the dead/grieving == no more Louis? by Derkec · · Score: 2


    Banning that song is just idiotic. I'll give you that, it's one of my favorites. But it isn't really censorship. I still hold that they are trying to be polite. You might not want to tell a whole bunch of very sad people that the world is great, it could piss them off. However, that song just makes me happy.