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Conectiva Linux 7.0 Review
Patrick Mullen writes: "The Duke of URL has posted their review of Conectiva Linux 7.0. Conectiva Linux was the first distribution to support APT-RPM, which cures most of the ails of typical RPMs. Their latest release even bundles a graphical front-end to APT, and brings the worlds of Debian and Red Hat together."
Yar, First post maties
Kiss my furry genitals.
Has anyone got any first hand reviews? I used to use redhat as my Newbie distribution, and after the latest tricks in 7.2 I need to find a new one for the fresh converts and install fests. Is this a good choice for newbies? or should I stick with Mandrake.
Thanks
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
www. The Dukeo Furl .org
It sounds like some esoteric way to tie your bow tie.
Tales from behind the Lagom Curtain
I think that Synaptic is the best APT frontend.
Im waiting the port of Synaptic to Debian.
That's humour.
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Conectiva Linux was the first distribution to support APT-RPM
I would've though there'd be some sort of matter/antimatter explosion when apt and rpm came together judging by the flamewars I've seen....
I went to the Conectiva website to download the ISO but the front page only provides two language options...spanish and portugese. Are there english mirrors? Maybe an alternate place to download?
this apt vs rpm vs tar.gz vs etc. isn't getting linux anyware. Fortunately, Gentoo Linux seems to be on the right track with their Portage package management system...
Here is a blurb from their website (http://www.gentoo.org/):
"Gentoo Linux is a versatile and fast, completely free x86-based Linux distribution geared towards developers and network professionals. Unlike other distros, Gentoo Linux has an advanced package management system called Portage. Portage is a true ports system in the tradition of BSD ports, but is Python-based and sports a number of advanced features including dependencies, fine-grained package management, "fake" (OpenBSD-style) installs, safe unmerging, system profiles, virtual packages, config file management, and more."
Wouldn't that be like bringing Beverly Hills and Havana together?
The urpmi tool coming with mandrake is well.. ownage =). Works like apt-get for me in the rpm world.
urpmi is the frontend to rpmdrake =).
It just works =). The nr. 1 reason i use mandrake (the second is cooker).
However i'll always welcome another tool, as long they can live side by side =).
still reading?
I have a big download to do to test out the distro for myself because whats good for the goose is not always good for the gander. Such as Linux from scatch to a Linux Newbie coming from Mac OS 9. Sometimes it just sucks
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
...kiss my shiny metal knubby buddy.
The real thing. Accept no substitute!
damn this is the slowest troll tuesday I have seen in a while. No dead penis birds? Where's the goatsex?
Like other major distributions, the brazilian Connectiva employs many people closely related to Linux development.
Marcelo Tosatti was recently announced as the new head mantainer over the 2.4 stable kernel tree. Rik Van Riel is known for his work in the memory management subsystem and Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo works with IPX.
The point here is not to praise Connectiva (or Red Hat or anyone), but to notice that it is perfectly possible to run a profitable company and care for the development community at the
same time.
Sounds like an 80's pop hit to me.... :-)
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Why I do not like Trolls
I believe I have made it clear, through my consistant down modding and IP banning of trolls, that I do not like trolls very much. I believe that Trolls are the most offensive type of human that we have ever seen. One can only assume that thier only purpose is to upset people, get reactions from people, and to humiliate people.
Here recently, the trolls have been focusing thier attacks more specifically the moderators and editors of this web site. I must say, that I have read such horrible postings from these trolls that, quite frankly, I am offended. I mean sure, there are a lot of people here who do not like JonKatz for one reason or another (mine is that he tends to post stories that are uninformed and ignorant, but that's beside the point.), but that is no reason for us to flame him so much every time he posts some stupid story. The fact is that myself, Hemos, JonKatz, cowboyNeal, Neal, michael, timothy, Roblimo, Cliff, HeUnique, sengan, emmitt, justin++, nate, and many others are all authors for this web site and you should start showing us just a little respect. I mean, it may be fun to make up little songs like the one posted here But it still hurts our feelings to see this sort of stuff. Our jobs are tough, and stuff like this just doesn't make it any easier. To think that we all spend so much of our time maintaining this web site just for you trolls to troll it up. Comments about me and JonKatz being homosexual partners or me and Hemos. Now, I am not going to say that these things are false, but there is no way that you guys actually know that about us, and it is none of your business either. Yes, it is true that I, CmdrTaco, am a homosexual, and a big one at that. Yes it is true that some times JonKats and I will be alone for extended periods of time. Sometimes, as we work together, he will brush up against me and I can't help but want to be alone with him. And don't get me started on micheal. But that's not my point at all. Some of your trolls don't even make sense. I mean, how many times can LinuxIsForAssholes post Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?? Or how do Trollaxor and Trolligula and all the others keep coming up with these true stories about my homosexuality? All you trolls use this link in many of your trolls, why? Do you like that site? Did they get my good side? It is a good picture of me, but again, that's not my point. And what about all those damn trolls asking how we can be talking about things like the AOTC trailer in the wake of Sept. 11. The fact is, Slashdot doesn't care. We don't care how many people lost thier lives. All the innocent people. The only thing we even wonder is if some of the people were checking out Slashdot at the time of the attack. Oh, the other thing that sucks is that when the buildings went down we lost some companies that had Linux installations. Does that make us bad people, maybe. Does it make our bank accounts bigger through our constant advertising for stupid worthless producs? Most definatly.
Now, you people who have a different opinion than that which is expressed by the editors, prepare to be modded down. We don't like people who do not agree with our ignorant opinions. We want to silence you. You see, if you are silenced then the discussion is only done by those who all agree. When someone with a mind of thier own disagrees and comes on our website and see's that we all have the same opinion, then they will believe that our opinion must be right. It's kinda like Hitler during WWII. If you have a different opinion, you will be killed. You see enough people killed, you change your opinion. We like to think of ourselves as Borg. We are but 1 collective, none of which has a mind of thier own. People are a lot safer that way.
All in all, you can call use as many names as you want, but when it comes down to it, we (the editor) as just as much Trolls as you are. We are trolls with a different agenda. Our agenda is global mind control, and we want to stop you from letting thses people know that original thoughts are natural. We want them to think originality is a sign of weakness and stupidity.
- Marco
While the reviewer is right that apt is a wonderful tool, he is guilty of two very common mistakes:
- apt is not the package manager per se. It is a front end to the package manager. Therefore the whole idea of using it with another package manager as its default (dpkg) is not so unlikely as it sounds. In fact, as far as I can make out from my Debian documentation, apt is specifically designed to be agnostic in regards to what package manager does the actual work.
- The previous was only a minor quibble. His major mistake is however his assertion that you can download any
.rpm and have apt sort out the dependencies. Guess what? It doesn't work that way. In order for apt to work, it needs a central repository that provides it with a correct dependency list. Without that, you're back to the good old dependency hell. This is what makes Connectiva and Debian great, because that is exactly what they provide, and it is only because they do that that apt is such a great tool
Mart (a happy Debian user)"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
Let's look at the numbers...
aw shit.
man urpmi
It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed
of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from
hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.
What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden
messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken
advocates:
anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the
first initial.
spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement'
is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it
unnerves me.
I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral
and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't
need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor
little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram
for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show
you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond
is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously
sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those
not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one
sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it
appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good
Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'
As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually
quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the
following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any
circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional
wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says
plainly.
And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this
tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a
flaming homo slut!
Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney
ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although
an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already
confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual
perversion of corrupting the
innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:
'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the
bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is
that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'
Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And
letting the other boys touch it too?
We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's
resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few
who aren't aware of the list of homosexual
terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who
gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his
urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexuallover blows firmly down the straw to
inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the
dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their
postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and
manipulative journalistic agenda.
Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.
In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the
most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The
Slackware distro is named after the
'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes.
Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference
to the homosexual practice of anal fisting.
The Mandrake product is run by a
group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for
the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark
amen and ram naked, which is what they do.
Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like
'Disco,' which is where homosexuals preyed
on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of in a bed,
which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we
sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe
their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male
penis, glistening with pre-cum.
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy
term, again found in the secret homosexual
'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual
practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a
crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer
overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the
frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight
young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.
And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from
a freshly violated underage ringpiece.
The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For
example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration,
which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland.
'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and
gay, and need to mount each other
automatically.
The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even
/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts
These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main
one is obviously
say 'there is no
faggotry is not optional but a way of life.
More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love
`man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who
are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda)
should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their
frequent recourse to a man.
Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For
example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent
heterosexual Windows users know what
this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the
voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!
Even the title 'Slashdot'
originally referred to a homosexual
practice. Slashdot of course refers
to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are
those super-zealous homosexuals who take
this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the
site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/.
The editors of Slashdot also have
homosexual names: 'Hemos' is obvious in
itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is
'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang
for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement . (The best form
of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special
'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of
penis discharge) toppings. And
to make it even worse, Slashdot runs
on Apache!
The Apache server, whose use
among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows,
popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it
is for him that this gay program is named.
And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world --
patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even
after its rupture by a session of fisting.
To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description
of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and
disabled 'stumpers.'
FEEDBACK
Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the
misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the
computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't
you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul
document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable
degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major
animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to
shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to
engulf our planet.
Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming
it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as
the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another
man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated
by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy.
Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall
only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement
is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of
freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm,
enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the
tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk,
don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am
the unknown liberator.
We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they
are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for
re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society.
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of
Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes
them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.
Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is
riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being
able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux
pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given
enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the
money. Intellivision forever!
For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda
masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing
better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see
a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them.
Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only
god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian
Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local
pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to
salvation.
Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour.
Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by
a Black Man . Now fuck off
you racist donkey felcher.
Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of
ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her
neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies
Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl
Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'
One scary thing about Perl is that it
contains hidden homosexual messages. Take
the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough,
doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to
each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl
Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's
programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so
closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of
'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual
queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters
together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by
passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This
is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'
And PHP stands for Perverted
Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?
Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing
Uranus for years.
*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for
your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the
Good Lord's work, but it is
encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.
However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on
such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the
'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in
intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling
canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters
have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and
wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake
of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual
intercourse -- their favourite kind.)
In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties,
(Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein
they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to
four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge
their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the
rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the
'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.'
(i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many
Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message
up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect
your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we
break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any
wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???
If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it
will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join
with us in our battle for freedom!
I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order
that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It
is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire
brush of enlightenment.
I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time
someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the
truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,'
as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to
suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I sincerely hope you're Natalie
Portman.
What the fuck?
Well bugger me!
Fuck right off!
IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD , which is an acronym for 'Huge
Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so
it has been released into the Public
Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic
crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay
Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see
who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I
would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is
known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.
Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me,
because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the
homosexual practice of holding the base of
the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build
up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made
into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of
ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later.
Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by
the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy
biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions
are welcome.
Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV'
as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we
could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links).
Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?
Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed.
Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax
described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more
fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot
baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!
- Marco
How many applications is bundled with this distribution ? ;-)
If there are less than 7000 programs you shouldn't buy it
From the article:
A limitation of RPM is the lack of ability to fetch and install dependencies that are needed when installing a given package. It can be frustrating to try and install some software only to be held back by unmet dependencies. This usually leads to time-loss as one has to track down these dependencies, install them, and then install the package you wanted to install in the first place.
I've been using redhat - at least on some test machines not involved directly in the network - since 4.1. While rpm is far from perfect, it's also not that bad as the article implies: you can search for the missing dependencies here -- note that you have to check "Provided Packages", then download those packages from your favourite mirror.
Well actually, I deal with helping people on a few irc channels for linux problems. the biggest problem occurs with RPMs. Sure they may be newbies but they can install an rpm, and yet they install something else that requires it and it doesnt detect it on some occasions. This is not something id look at as not that bad. I prefer source myself but the .tgz works great for me, never had a problem once with it. As for bringing the world of Redhat and Debian together, why taint a good dist with redhat? I personaly dont like apt, but i like rpm even less, and then making a GUI for it? come on people. the more we step away from the console the lazier we get, the more vulnerable we get, and i dont want to say this cus a few friends use a lot of GUI but the dumber we get. Why do you need a gui for something so simple? And this brings up the question does it require X? if so im already sold on ANYthing else. a frontend is one thing. and what about the whole rpm version incompatability thing? you dont see this with tgz. I really dont want to upgrade to a new pkgtool or installpkg/upgradepkg to move on to slack 8.1. Am I just a lunatic user/admin gone anti-gui because of m$ or do other people share my views?
every dark cloud has a silver lining, but lightning kills hundreds of people every year trying to find it.
Here is the easiest way I have found to deal with an RPM that refuses to install due to a lack of dependencies:
rpm -i --nodeps --noscripts X.rpm
This fixes RPM everytime. (Even if you do something silly like upgrade glibc on redhat 6.2, only to discover that you had better downgrade REALLY fast...)
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They didn't mention the fact that CL 7.0 comes with a lot of packages fragmentation.
By "package fragmentation" I mean splitting XFree, Gnome, KDE, glibc and all other big software in a lot of small packages, keeping the compatibility with other distros and with the old CLs.
Example:
Number of packages
Software CL 6.0 --> CL 7.0
glibc 03 --> 65
XFree86 34 --> 79
kde 60 --> 276
gnome 32 --> 66
koffice 01 --> 19
linuxconf 56 --> 70
-devel 127 --> 373
rpm 03 --> 05
This is very useful when installing the distro in a machine with little disk space and specially when doing a remote upgrade (you don't have to download big packages with functionalities that you don't use).
A complete article: "Fragmentation of Packages on Conectiva Linux 7.0" can be found here, but it's in Brazilian Portuguese (I'm sorry).
- Ademar
"Unfortunately, no-one can be told what Linux is.. you must see it for yourself."
Keep an eye on these guys. Marcelo Tosatti, the new kernel 2.4 maintainer, works at Conectiva, and that's another reason to believe they're doing a serious job there.
...talk about rpm dependencies hell! There were 3 screens of dependencies on a RH7.1 machine. I could see it being like that on an older distro but not a new one. I decided I didnt want the new kde that bad.
I am seriously considering switching to debian. As I learn more about linux I see redhat failing to meet my needs/wants more and more.
I read the review for this, and it sounds pretty ho-hum. The conclusion states that it's fast and stable...well, it's running the same software as all the other 10,000 distros out there. What is it that makes it particularly fast and stable by comparison?
The other thing that really bothers me is that this sounds like it has virtually the same features as all the other big names: Graphical install, easy to set up...except it gives too many goddamned options! I would like to see a distro that is a coherent whole, not a mishmash of every possible choice. I mean, it gives a choice between 2.2 and 2.4 kernels! There is not a non-geek in this world who knows or cares what that means. Nor do they care whether is runs KDE or GNOME. It ought to customize one or the other to be the Connectiva desktop, thus making a product that's unique to them, perhaps adding to the KDE control panel the ability to configure everything on the system in one place. Instead they give you a choice of three desktops!
Does the world need another distribution that caters only to geeks?
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You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
Here is a thread that discusses apt and rpm.
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http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/articl
Is it just me, or is this review incredibly low on actual information?
"Well, uh, it detected my hardware fine and then everything worked. The end."
I suppose this does say something about how idiot-proof the typical Linux distro has become, but there sure doesn't seem to be a whole lot of meat here.
--saint
Also, contrary to popular opinion, 2.4 ain't perfect, so it's good to be able to choose 2.2 if you need it.
Slashdot, the site where everything's made up and the points don't matter
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I'm not going to totally knock Redhat, Mandrake & Co, but we already have what they provide. Connectiva is not providing anything new, aside from being predominantly non-english. Now we need a NEW choice, because there is nothing yet out there that really anyone can install and use. That means a very limited set of the population, the geek set, has access to a HUGE number of distros and choices. But what about the rest of the people? Where are their choices?
You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
Simple. Use Corel Linux.
It's an end-user desktop Linux distribution. That is, it is not much more than a very, very bare bones Debian Linux (slink) setup, with a modified and (well) customized KDE desktop. If it can't start KDE it boots into 'safe mode' (twm). By default, there is no console login except for a sulogin on console 2 (console 1 only shows a textbox saying "Please press Alt-F7").
After you install it (and there's not much more to installing than choosing whether to overwrite Windows or not) you get a default desktop with a web browser, an email client, a small office suite (Wordperfect) and a couple assorted (graphical) tools.
Just about the same you get with a default install of Windows 9x.
I.e. *NOTHING* in respect to tools, network stuff, programming languages, etc. The whole install is about 300-400MB. Hell, the first versions of Wordperfect wouldn't even install because xlib was missing.
But the 'average user' wants to install 10000 additional tools after installing the OS. Apparently. They don't want the OS installation to span 1-2 GB, but already include almost every kind of software you will ever need.
If that's what you want, use Corel Linux. It's "Linux for Dummies".
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I find myself believing that Corel abandoned their distribution. Didn't even hand it off to somebody else, just dropped it.
Not something that I would want to recommend to anybody, but it's probably safe, as I don't think you can order it any more.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
But isn't it a valid choice to reject choices? I mean, shouldn't there be a distro that standardizes everything, for users who don't want to deal with all the options? One man's choice is another man's chaos.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
However, the up-and-coming distro redmond linux is based on Corel and certainly fills the linux for dummies void. It is by far the easiest operating system to set up and use that I have encountered. They're doing a good job up there in the city of evil.
on the first screen:
Do you have experience with linux?
Yes
No
If you check yes it will give you all the options and if you check no it will just install with default selections.
This would take about 5 minutes to add to an installer and would make everything a lot easier I think.
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It is contradictory for you to slam people for debating the merits of three different package mamangement systems (deb, rpm, slack), and then you yourself argue for a fourth package management system which is used by Gentoo Linux. Hello! Pot calling kettle! Where are you? The scary part is that you got modded up so high. I mean, Gentoo has been mentioned many times on Slashdot.
Debian and Gentoo are the two Linux distros with the most promising package management systems. I am a Debian user myself, but once Gentoo releases a non-beta version of their distro, I will give it a shot. However, Debian works so well because of its open community. Only time will tell wether Gentoo will develop a similar community. In addition, apt-get'ing KDE, for example, is fast and painless on a low end PC with a cable modem connection. However, using Gentoo's system, not only would the download be larger, but there would be the overhead of building the software! So Gentoo might be great for workstations and servers, but for desktops and low end devices... it might not be the way to go.
Also, contrary to popular opinion, 2.4 ain't perfect, so it's good to be able to choose 2.2 if you need it.
I don't think you have to worry about anyone thinking 2.4 is perfect at the moment. Personally I'm getting excited now that the linus and ac branch are merging down and 2.5 is going to start soon. But of course all these changes means we'll have to wait a bit longer until we know 2.4 is edging towards well done.
So everyone bitched about this and didn't even find out this simple fact? It sounds like Connectiva is doing just fine with all the options. Mod this guy up!
That post had no real relevance you realise. You do realise that is full opinionated right? I quite personaly hate Window Maker. Maybe its fast, but blackbox is faster. And I dont need all those things floating around my desktop. Maybe its configurable but why waste my time when blackbox is how i want it already? Not to mention theres Ion, maybe a little less "pretty" but it gets the job done. blackbox has been the most productive for me, WindowMaker has only slowed me down, and Ion made me even faster. And to respond to another post up further. Why would a distro want to tell a user what to install? Can you say WINDOWS? My god man, the beauty of linux is choice, you have so much to choose from your bound to find something you like. If you really want someone to support non-newbies(lazy people as you have obviously made every one of them out to be) then Windows is there for you in all its gloriousness. Not every newbie would want KDE or Gnome. And to just force something apon them is counterproductive in the learning process. I for one want people to be more informed of linux not dissillusioned.
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