Wriggling Heat Sinks

YourHero writes "Purdue researchers have come up with a new way to cool chips, in about 2 years. Just build a bunch of little piezoelectric fans (the waving kind, not the spinning kind). Since they don't spin, no bearings, less self-generated heat. Since they don't have magnets, no electromagnetic noise problems. And, of course, super-efficient. A press release and abstract for your reading pleasure. Formal presentation at THERMES 2002 Jan 15th."

Comments

Wow!

[michael.creasy]

Cool!

Re:Wow!

[Soko]

Cool!

Ummmm...I thought that's the general idea, dude.

Soko

Why not just make cooler running chips?

[qurob]

Quieter, less power consumption, less cooling issues!

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[reverius]

The same reason cars use gasoline instead of electric or battery power.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[rodgerd]

You can get them now. ARM CPUs, for example. If you're willing to stick at a 233 MHz CPU.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[2nd Post!]

Um... because gasolene has a higher energy to density ratio than steam or conventional batteries?

Or are you trying to say that making cooler chips is too difficult?

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[TeknoHog]

Why don't you just propose a design for such a better chip? I thought so.

Half seriously, though, you might think of superconducting chips to eliminate the heating due to the resistance in aluminium/copper wires. But AFAIK you can't build logic circuits entirely out of superconductors. The siliconductors (sic :-) we now use, require current to pass through potential differences (energy gaps in the crystal structure). Power dissipated equals current times potential difference, period. And there are lower limits for the voltage imposed by the semiconductor used.

Until we get something entirely different, I'm quite happy to put my geekineering effort into the design of better cooling. I'm sure it can be almost as fun as inventing new kinds of logic chips.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, basically. Gas cars are more powerful than equivelent electric ones.

Making cool but still fast chips is harder (and more expensive from a R&D standpoint) than simply making hot and fast ones.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[Xoro]

I've been looking into this a lot recently, and there's some pretty (ahem) cool developments on the cpu front recently, with x86 architectures.

Some people point to the VIA C3-800, but if you have real computing needs, steer clear. It runs comparable to a Celeron 400, which is almost, but not quite adequate for general computing. Instead, check out the old reliable suppliers. The shift to .13u means a lot. Frequencies are so high and chips are so powerful that underclocking has become a real option. A good general target for fanless operation is about 12 watts. You can go higher with good case airflow, or lower if you're dealing with troublesome ambient temperatures.

Right now, you can take the Intel Tualatin pIII 1.13GHz (28W), cut the bus speed to around 100MHz, cut the voltage down to about 1.1v and be right in the target range. Of course you won't know exactly w/o experimentation on your cpu, but it *should* be doable. If you're worried about losing efficiency to bus speed, remember that you can compensate by running it on one of the PIII DDR chipsets that are now available (upping effective bus speeds to 200MHz) or waiting until February, when Intel says they'll release a similar part themselves. Additionally, the 512k (vs 256k) cache on the pIII-s will offset lower bus speeds. Just check out the specs of the PIII-M LV models at developer.intel.com and ask how they got to those low wattage numbers with the same core. Since the last fanless G4 was 400MHz and claimed (in its wildest fantasies) to be a supercomputer twice as fast as a pIII, a fanless 800MHz pIII is not insignificant.

Even better, surprise, is AMD. The current mobile palomino runs at 1.1GHz, 1.1v, 25w. This is clearly just an underclock of the current 1.75v desktop XPs. But what it tells you is that the AMD architecture is very open to undervoltage at lower clock speeds.

Now if you consider AMD's forthcoming die shrink, things really look good. Zdnet.de reported (unsourced) that the Athlon 1.73GHz processor would drop from about 75W to 45W after the changeover. Depending on how far you could drop the voltage, you could be looking at a 1-1.2GHz part running at about 10W! Fanless! Now imagine (a beo..no) 2 of these in a well ventilated case, with an MPX board -- 2GHz of dead silent AMD power! Wooo!

Alright, I'm calmed down. Back to your original point. It's really a shame about the alternative architectures. Every time I think of venturing into the embedded market, I get brushed off by the 2x price, 1/2x power rule. But since the ARM and PPC don't seem to be generating any economies of scale, at least mainstream processors are progressing fast enough to make cool, cheap and fast a real alternative.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[Phroggy]

PowerPCs are cooler running chips.

Or did you mean cooler running IA-32 chips that can run Microsoft Windows?

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[yumyum]

> Since the last fanless G4 was 400MHz

Hmmm. My G4 Cube is 500 Mhz.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[Junks Jerzey]

Why don't you just propose a design for such a better chip? I thought so.

Here's my design: A processor that isn't catering to the 2% of computer users that need all the power they can get, but is sold across the board to the other 98% as well.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[denzo]

Also, the decreasing die sizes of new CPUs are detrimental to cooling as well. If shrinking a CPU die decreases cost (can make more CPUs off one wafer than before), but if better cooling equipment is required to build a system with smaller CPU dies, then where is the cost and noise savings?

Just manufacture CPU dies at larger sizes. Its harder to cool something that is not only thermally hotter, but has a smaller surface area. You can't extract the heat fast enough, and a lot of internal parts of the CPU get extremely hot with indirect cooling and being surrounded by other hot transistors and such. Just spread everything out a little. Just because you have smaller trace widths doesn't mean you have to shrink everything down. Intermix different trace widths depending on the length of the traces (so that you don't lose a lot of juice to resistance). And I'm willing to bet that it's easier to design a CPU that's more spread out.

Of course, I'm not an EE, and I could be just talking out of my ass. I understand that there are a lot of economic issues involved and other design considerations. But come on, how much smaller are our CPU dies going to go? Pretty soon we'll have a 1mm^2 surface area on a CPU with no good way to cool it. :P

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[CTho9305]

Nobody will buy it, unfortunately.... consumers have been led to believe they need a 2GHz P4 to surf the web at its best. Unless you find a way to educate them, you won't sell anything :(

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[2nd Post!]

It doesn't change the fact that cooler fast chips can be packed more tightly (fit in smaller spaces and achieve higher densities in servers, due to heat and power constraints)

It's almost always better to be more efficient; basic laws of physics and all, when you have constrained resources like we do... you get more done and more bang for the buck.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[BattyMan]

Nobody will buy it, unfortunately....

Probably because they _already_ have a 500MHz PIII, which is WAY more than they really need.

Unless you find a way to educate them, you won't sell anything :(

The only way Intel continues to sell its new technology is by "educating" consumers with bald-faced lies. And, of course, by the OEMs bundling each new generation of hardware with the next generation of bloatware, so nothing ever actually _goes_ any faster.

I supppose you could always take a new 1500 MHz P4 and underclock it at about 500 MHz. That might actually not need any CPU fan, but it probably would not sell.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[reverius]

Yes, that's what i'm trying to say. If making cooler chips was the cost-effective way to make chips, that's what they would be doing.

The chip manufacturers are only trying to make the most profit possible, not to make cooler chips, unless the market demands it to the extent that it would be more profitable.

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[Anonymous Coward]

GO BOILERS!!!!

Hail, hail, our old Purdue, all hail to our old
Purdue...

Re:Why not just make cooler running chips?

[Anonymous Coward]

You're and idiot. Just because the previous poster might not be able to design a cooler chip from the ground up, his suggestion is still very valid because of the fact that _someone_ can do it.

Quiet

[Null_Packet]

This is great! The best thing is the opportunity for ultra-quiet CPU and power supply fans for the pc. This means the drive is the last noisy component! It's good to be a geek.

Re:Quiet

[qurob]

Once me move to solid state storage, a la Holograms or some kind of RAM card, we'll only have noise coming from our optical drives.

Re:Quiet

[Anonymous Coward]

It's good to be a geek.

Did you mean "It's good to be easily amused."? Thought so.

Re:Quiet

[Anonymous Coward]

Power supply fan? Floppy drives? CD-ROM/DVD/Burner drives? Monitor? (They make noise) Printer? Keyboard? Mouse? (Unless you have a cool cordless optical one like mine.) And even then, your soundcard will still make noise. Even when you don't want it to, there is background hiss if you amplify a muted soundcard noise too much.

Re:Quiet

[Ratface]

The article refers to low *electromagnetic* noise. It also points out that these piezo fans will require conventional fans to dissipate heat further away. Their action will lead to increased heat transfer at the chip itself.

So, if I understand the article correctly, they won't in themselves lead to any reduction in audible noise.

Oh well!

Re:Quiet

[JThaddeus]

Since when are these things so quiet? When living in Korea in '86 (where air conditioning was rare, costly, and inefficient), I installed one in a MacPlus many years back and found it so annoying that I took it out as soon as I got back to the States. Of course, the MacPlus had no fan to begin with so any noise was a lot.

Re:Quiet

[BardicStorm]

Well, the article clearly states:

The innovative fans will not replace conventional fans. Instead, they will be used to enhance the cooling now provided by conventional fans and passive design features, such as heat-dissipating fins.

So, unfortunately... not much quieter.

Re:Quiet

[Doppler00]

How does a cordless optical mouse not make noise? That hiss from the soundcard may be because it isn't designed very well. There should be a certain signal to noise ratio.

Re:Quiet

[FabiusBile]

Real techs love there machines loud!!! I like the roar of a 7200 rpm HD, and the spin of a Vantek 1.9 Ghz cooler! gives me the whole Tim Allen power trip... kinda like an old 57' chevy rollin' down the road, when you can hear it comin' you know the power's there!! :)

Do they work under palm trees...

[slowhand]

Or peel grapes. I have this vision of a robor slave girl, cooling me by waving her piezo fans...

Re:Do they work under palm trees...

[Anonymous Coward]

You are gay, therefore you prefer slave men. Eww, fucking faggot!

That new invention

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

is very cool.

Other uses

[uninerd]

I wonder if we could make clothes out of this, for hot weather. Perhaps self-mixing drinks?

Uhh, how do you think you do that?

[Spinality]

You say make cooler running chips? Good idea.

So let's come up with better technology that lets them run cooler. Hmm... Smaller geometry? Good! Lower voltage? Good! Better logic design? Good! And how about... better cooling technology? Good!

Look back through the history of circuit design and you'll see lots of new innovations that either reduced power or improved thermal transfer. Now I'll admit that little feathers seems kinda wacky, but on the other hand as electronic components start to mimic natural systems (cf. hairs, cilia, feathers) they are probably taking an efficient path.

And my post 11:18 about IT on Leno is stalled ...

[slowhand]

Tune in to Leno NOW! See Leno, Crowe, and Kamen riding IT/Gingers, and waving peizo fans.

bye bye

[MrGHemp]

sounds like you'd just be waving the heat bye bye

Hotter than the SUN?!

[EvilBuu]

"The concentrated circuits in a semiconductor computer chip can generate more heat per square centimeter of chip area than an area of equal size on the sun's surface."

Is this true? If so I have so much more respect for my heatsink....

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[roystgnr]

Well, the Sun's putting out about 1.4 kW/m^2 at the Earth's radius (around 160e9 meters), and the Sun's radius is around 1.4e9 meters, so the Sun's output at it's surface should be about 1.4 * (160/1.4)^2 = 18300 kW/m^2 = 1830 W/cm^2.

I found a cool .pdf with the Watts/cm^2 values (on page 8; thanks, Google!) for Intel's CPUs up to the PIII, and apparantly the PIII's only at 40 W/cm^2. It's got all sorts of neat past milestones (hot plate) and future goals (nuclear reactor, rocket nozzle, even the Sun's surface, at about where my math claimed) to strive for.

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[groove10]

Not True! The Pentium 4 generates about 25W/cm^2 while the sun generates about an order of magnitude more powere per unit area (634W/cm^2). This is assuming that my calculations are correct.

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[senine]

ahem...

first: AMD chips run hotter than intel.

second: what about certain milspec resistors? I'm not even going to mention high-power microlasers that are shipped with built-in peltiers...

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[tcdk]

The surface of the sun isn't "generating" any heat. That would be the core of the sun.

So, yes, the statement holds...

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[Anonymous Coward]

This proposition, if true, would be about the difference between heat generation and actual temperature. Indeed, it is almost tautological. To the extent that the sun has a surface, all that happens there is heat dissipation. The heat itself is generated deep in the interior, by nuclear reactions amounting to the fusion of four hydrogen nuclei to make a helium one. Working semiconductors convert electrical power to heat. The sun's core converts raw mass to heat, manifested as energy of motion of various particles, and very high energy electromagnetic radiation. The radiation quickly decays to heat.

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[w9ofa]

While this is correct, there is a mystery as to why the surface of the sun is relatively cold compared to the other regions below and above it. Current theory is that it is due to the magnetic swirl that occurs near the surface, which gives the Sun a granular appearance. The power output figure you calcuated assumes a point source.

Re:Hotter than the SUN?!

[roystgnr]

The power output figure you calcuated assumes a point source.

No, it just assumes a spherically symmetric power output.

electomagnetic noise....

[Anonymous Coward]

the fact that there are no magnets has nothing to do with the electromagnetic noise..

Re:electomagnetic noise....

[Anonymous Coward]

lobster stick to magnet

Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

Does anyone have the troll(I'm not sure if it was posted more than once) where a conversation about women results in a linux geek asking if they run linux?

Re:Linux

[Fecal Troll Matter]

Linux sucks.

Re:Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

You are a fucknut.

Re:Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

I believe it was just a transcript of the Monty Python "nod, nod, wink, wink" bit, but rather than saying at the end "wot's it like?" they said "Do they run Linux?", as I recall.

Still need Whirly-Birds

[miracle69]

The innovative fans will not replace conventional fans. Instead, they will be used to enhance the cooling now provided by conventional fans and passive design features, such as heat-dissipating fins.

Oops. Looks like the editor didn't read the article....

Does this surprise anyone?

Re:Still need Whirly-Birds

[irony nazi]

Can somebody please enlighten the irony nazi as to why electromagnetics are noisy?? Granted that I don't have much experience with electromagnetics, but the 90 in 1 Science electric kit that I had when I was a kid made absolutely NO noise, even when making the electromagnetic experiments.

I even saw a electromagnet on a crane once pick up a large car. I don't remember any noises involved (except for the crushing car).

Yet, the article mentions that electromagnets are noisy???

Re:Still need Whirly-Birds

[plastik55]

Yeah. Hook a big electromagnet to your house mains and wave it at your hard drive. Not only will it hum audibly when connected to AC current, but when you try to read your data you will find out first hand about electromagnetic noise.

Now imagine a fan with rapidly spinning and switching magnets sitting on top of a next-generation CPU with such a fine process that only two or three electrons constitute the difference between a "1" and a "0". Are you beginning to see the problem?

Re:Still need Whirly-Birds

[ForWhomTheHellTrolls]

The only way I wont be surprised is if we dont see a repost of this tomorrow

Re:Still need Whirly-Birds

[Phork]

i think you are failing to understand the term "electromagnetic noise," the noise that he is refering to is not audio noise, its electromagnetic noise, it is RFI(radio frequency interference) and stray magnetic currents.

They should make them self-cleaning too

[night37]

It would be nice if they made it self-cleaning too. Those things accumulate a lot of dust. I use my dad's 5.0HP shop vac to clean the ones I have. It makes a loud ZZZZZZZZ and sucks the dust right out of there! Sounds like that would break one of these. Neat idea though. :D

Re:They should make them self-cleaning too

[Phroggy]

You'd probably use cans of compressed air...

Heat sink

[Anonymous Coward]

Does CmdrTaco use this to cool down after having hot, sweaty mansex with a neighborhood Negro whore?

RPGs suck me dry

[BankofAmerica_ATM]

Why oh why are you celebrating games that were written by some 13 year old Japanese schoolgirl on ecstasy? I don't read fucking books where unicorns prance around with Big Bird, why should I play a game that does?

When you choose to purchase a Square game, you are killing gaming by encouraging masturbatory CGI fests and repetitive, no-skillz gaming that will put the nail in the coffin of decent gaming eventually.

Box office limpy Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within represented a nadir for video games everywhere. It completes Square's degeneration from a fresh video game developer with new ideas to another maker of incomprehensible sci-fi bullshit.

Don't mistake Square's creations as "literary" or "cinematic." They have simply cribbed the worst plots from Saturday morning cartoons, added spikey hair and big blue eyes, and you fucking geeks fell for it! You're paying $50 to play the video game equivalent to "Birdman," which you can see on Boomerang for free.

So in conclusion, get a fucking life and stay away from Square. If not all good video games (Sega, Nintendo, Konami) will die. Good night.

awe come on...

[spacefem]

Doesn't anybody think it's cool to be noisy anymore? I mean, say what you will about being distracting and all that, but I'd love to impress my friends with a PC that sounds like a lawnmower. it's POWER! it's TOUGH! it's AMERICAN!

sometimes worrying about things like noise is too girly, even for me.

Re:awe come on...

[scumdamn]

There are countries that put much more emphasis than we do on the noise level of their computers. Japan especially is sensitive to the noise their systems make.

Other than that, though, they're more efficient. Isn't that reason enough?

Re:awe come on...

[Anonymous Pancake]

I have to agree, the Japanese are very efficiant. That is why they make better cars, better computers, and generally better everything than lazy american workers.

Re:awe come on...

[EvilBuu]

Well, you can still have your 65dB Swiftech heatsink/fan, and your multitude of 80mm case fans and maybe a water pump for your overclocked GeForce3, but imagine if they put these on the fins of that heatsink. Not only would the surface area of the sink double or triple or more, but the heatsink would actively cool itself. That would bring your cpu die temp down another few degrees for sure, with barely any more sound, or power.

Re:awe come on...

[jred]

If it's too loud, you're too old!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist :)

Re:awe come on...

[senine]

I dont think I want the swiftech cooling my cpu to be waving around inside my case at the tips of some sissy waving fins.

Re:awe come on...

[Anonymous Coward]

SubtleNuance, is that you?

Re:awe come on...

[archen]

that is until 2 years later when the computer is obsolite. Then it's not only obsolite, it's damn noisy too! There's a dell powerEdge in my office running as a server, and the thing is loud as HELL. I'd just love to chuck the thing out the window and watch that huge fan in back kiss the pavement. Dell just wasn't thinking, I mean the thing has a 900Mhz processor and one hard drive. Beside it sits a PowerEdge 4400 with 3 15k RPM hard drives, dual 1Ghz processors, and a lot more components inside, and it doesn't even make half the noise. A lot of times it seems like computers are noisey when they don't have to be, which is why I'll never again buy a fan from Radioshack (yeah yeah, I was too lazy to look elsewhere). Having a suped up car with loud pipes is one thing, but a loud computer is sort of like trying to be manly by bragging about your toaster :)

Re:awe come on...

[MtViewGuy]

Yes, but very noisy systems tend to get very distracting after a few hours.

Ever listen to a 10,000 rpm or faster SCSI or Fibre Channel interface drive? Those things sound like jet engines ready to take off. It's small wonder why most higher-end ATA-100/133 hard drives out there are still running 7,200 rpm.

Anyway, today's fan designs are way quieter than the past, thanks to quieter bearing design and careful design of the fan blades to reduce noise.

Re:awe come on...

[Anonymous Coward]

"That's not fan noise, that's my integrated flight simulator!"

Linux

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd like to see a beowulf cluster of these running on an overclocked linux box.

Piezoelectric fans are already available

[Harumuka]

At least from Piezo Systems Inc. in Cambridge, MA. Their specs are worth reproducing:

• Input Voltage: 115VAC, 60 Hz
  
• Capacitance: 15 nF
  
• Power Consumption: 30 mW
  
• Volume Flow Rate: 2 CFM, (0.9 l/s)
  
• Peak Air Velocity: 400 FPM, (2.0 m/s)
  
• Weight: 2.8 grams
  
• Mounting: #2-56 clr. holes, 2 places
  
• Temperature Range: -20 C to 70 C
  
• EMI/RFI: None
  

However, they're not cheap. Pricing starts at $149. Additionally there is a Piezoelectric Resonant Blade Element. Interesting stuff. Hopefully mass production of piezoelectric fans will lower their price to the average customer range.

Re:Piezoelectric fans are already available

[Anonymous Coward]

Ouch. But, considering that you'd need 20 or so of those to replace a single conventional fan in flow rate, you'd be able to get their bulk prices. Then, they're only $49 each (or roughly $1000 per conventional fan).

Re:Piezoelectric fans are already available

[Harumuka]

Ouch. But, considering that you'd need 20 or so of those to replace a single conventional fan in flow rate, you'd be able to get their bulk prices.

Not a bad estimate. Considering computer fans typically move 20-30 CFM, although high-end fans which blow more than 50 CFM), you would need 10 to 15 piezoelectric fans to achieve equivalent volume air flow. In 5-24 quantites they cost $79, so that translates to $790 to $1185.

Of course, laptop manufacturers could buy in bulk (100+) easily at $39. $390 to $585 per fan, significantly less.

Yet, according to the article these are novelty fans. If it costs manufacturers $149 per novelty fan, I wonder what the "real" thing costs...

Re:Piezoelectric fans are already available

[quantaman]

you would need 10 to 15 piezoelectric fans to achieve equivalent volume air flow...

Of course, laptop manufacturers could buy in bulk (100+) easily at $39. $390 to $585 per fan, significantly less.

Just how big is your laptop?

Re:Piezoelectric fans are already available

[abolith]

Of course a mere $500 to $600 bucks for a fan that does exactly what my current 50 dollar one does. sorry but the noise and other issues just don't cause enough of a headach to make me go and spend that much. hell thats as much or more than my WHOLE SYSTEM costs. damn! if my processor takes a dump because i have it undercooled than i'll spend the 200 bucks to buy a new one plus a better heatsink/fan combo.

not worth it even for the "coolness factor"

Re:Piezoelectric fans are already available

[Anonymous Coward]

The fact that these operate at 60 Hz AC could pose a problem with interference.

Re:Piezoelectric fans are already available

[quantaman]

you would need 10 to 15 piezoelectric fans to achieve equivalent volume air flow.

I'm not sure of the size of these fans but I'd suspect you'd ned a lot more room in your case to accomodate 10-15 of them (probably making them impractical for laptops). Furthurmore given the fact that you wouldn't be able to place all of them in close proximity to the chip I also suspect you would need more than 10-15 to achieve the same airflow as a regular fan.

Not a problem

[Anonymous Pancake]

I dunno about most of you, but I can live with a fan or two in my pc.

When computers were new, it took huge air conditioning systems just to keep the systems from breaking down. Just the maintenance costs were staggering. Nowadays, all we need is a little fan to keep the cpu cool.

Lets not take things like this for granted!

Time to revise the overclockers manual

[Henry V .009]

This is just an excuse for designers to make CPU's less efficent and more power hungry.

Imagine

Washington Post: Dec 13, 2018. Details are now emerging about the accident that irradiated much of Germany on Tuesday. Nothing is as yet confirmed, however, initial reports indicate that a heatsink was somehow removed from an AMD processor (PR rating 10,000,000). A bizzare terrorist group with the initials THG may have been involved. Containment was lost, and critical mass was reached almost immediately. AMD representatives have issued a statement in the wake of the carnage: "Obviously, they were using an improperly designed motherboard."

Re:Time to revise the overclockers manual

[Anonymous Coward]

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MOD THIS UP AS FUNNY

[Anonymous Coward]

Ditto

Piezo fans? Old hat.

[FFFish]

Here's a picture of an old-style piezo fan

You used to be able to buy piezo fans for the old Mac Classic (read the list near the bottom of the page).

IOW, piezo fans have been around since the mid-to-late 80's. Now, yes, I'll admit that they weren't very efficient (as in, they didn't move a lot of air)... but the concept has been there for eons.

Cooler

[Random Feature]

I don't mind the noise, but dissipating heat in general would be a good thing.

The thing they need to do is make chips that run cooler. And yeah, Crusoe's do run cooler but they don't perform optimally in a task-switching environment.

Cooling the CPU is fine, but the heat has to go somewhere and a better solution is to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to reduce the heat output in the first place. PLEASE.
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Re:Cooler

[jred]

How about harnessing that heat somehow. It seems to me that the problem isn't the heat, it's the energy waste. Like maybe hook your water-cooling setup into your water heater or something.

Although I do generally tend to sneer at "green" houses that basically just do that.

Now that I think about it, there was a project to turn your pc into a still, but the link http://exaflop.org/docs/x86still/ doesn't seem to work.

Re:Cooler

[ivrcti]

The physics are quite simple. For any non-superconducting material, when you run electricity through the material, you generate heat. To make processors faster, Intel (et al) must pack the transistors tighter and tighter (avoiding transmission latency). The more you pack these little heat producing components, the more heat they generate per square centimeter. We have long since passed the point where the cpu's could self dissipate heat. "Going back to drawing boards" may seem like a trivial idea, but trust me, a lot of bright boys have been back at those drawing boards for quite a long time!

Old school fan uprising!!!

[BigBir3d]

What are the chances of the conventional ball bearing fans, in the very computers that are doing all the mathematical modeling, will go on strike??

Self-preservation is quite a motivator.

Re:Old school fan uprising!!!

[TeknoHog]

If I were and old mechanical fan, I'd be glad just to be able to lie down while the oriental robot chicks wave their piezo-fans for me.

Sklyarov is free!

[FatAssBastard]

And Slashdot is the only place that doesn't have it.

Re:Sklyarov is free!

[minusthink]

is this what you're looking for?

Nothing New

[pcjunky]

I have had one of these fans cooling my sterio for years. I got mine as a sample while working for a crystal manufacurer in 1984. It makes VERY little noise but does not even begin to move enough air to cool a modern CPU. These new ones would have to be 10 times more powerful.

Air Flow

[ruvreve]

I didn't see any specs as to the rate of air flow these things can produce. Assuming they are optimized given the 'provided' mathematical models. Any chance these models are as easy to understand as the instructions they put on coke cans?

The article stated that these fans could have blades up to an inch long, anybody have any opinions on whether this could replace the large fans in cars that are used for air flow over the engine and radiator? This would make working on your car while it is still running a little bit safer. But of course the saying "Make something idiot proof and somebody will make a better idiot."

And since the topic of energy consumption was brought up, how about using these instead of ceiling fans in our homes. Being that I have never seen one of these in action I bet you could make them look aestically attractive at least to us nerds. Sort of like having a huge rack of all black stereo equipment.

Re:Air Flow

[Anonymous Coward]

two words:

Karma Whore

OMG - Where is Egg-Troll

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm having a bad day - its been at least 24 hours since I read one of Egg trolls will crafted and insightful trolls!

Does anyone know where egg-troll got to? Maybe he is saving it up for troll tuesday (which comes after crapflood /. about .au monday) - I jsut hope he has not been bitch slapped/ ipbanned.

Old News?

[Anonymous Coward]

I swear I heard about this at least a year ago. It seems like it was in New Scientist.

Yeah, right...

[Anonymous Coward]

Piezo fans, while a neat concept, are powerful weak.

The day a Piezoelectric fan outblows my screamin' black-label Delta 60x25 is the day Boeing demonstrates a transatlantic 300-passenger ornithopter.

Re:Yeah, right...

[finity]

Now that's a cool idea. Hook one of those big fan jet-engines from a boeing to you computer ;-)

2 years?

[minusthink]

Purdue researchers have come up with a new way to cool chips, in about 2 years.

I don't know what kind of chips these researchers are using, but the kind I use build up heat a lot faster, and thus need to be cooled constantly, not just every two years.

lame jokes brought to you by:

Re:2 years?

[tbone1]

Hey, it's Purdue, they're always two years behind, said the *sshole IU alum.

I need a heat sink

[Anonymous Coward]

It's best if I tell you a little about me so you can understand this story. I'm
in my early forties and very fit. I consider my body type as voluptuous with
long legs and a pretty face. I work hard to keep my body hard and my butt and
breasts firm. I'm still getting hit on and turning heads. My husband is very
handsome and in excellent shape and a few years older than I. I know how to keep
him happy and dominate him in the bedroom our sex life is superb and we'll try
just about anything once and if it's good we'll even do it again. I haven't told
anyone about this sexual adventure we had a few months ago - it's a classic and
I know many of you have thought of this but for whatever reason kept it locked
away in your to do fantasy list.

My husband is adventurous and enjoys risk; I on the other hand am very ethical
and conservative for the most part. However periodically I get hyper-horny and
will try anything honestly I feel like a lustful man trapped in this tight
female body. And when one of his fantasies is introduced during my hyper-horny
cycle - look out! Charlie (my husband) took me shopping. I know when he does
this that he's trying to buy my affection so that I will reward him with sexual
favors (I trained him well) so after buying everything on my wish list I asked
him to pick something out for me to fashion tonight because we were going out on
the town. I whispered in his ear, "I'll wear anything you desire". He's has
great taste in clothes but borders he the line with Cheap - when he's horny. In
other words he likes me a little on the trashy side. I got my nails done and
hair styled and took full advantage of his finances.

Later that night -

I walk into the bar with a short black skirt, heels and a sheer see-through
black sleeveless top. Underneath I'm wearing a tight see-trough latex body slip
and absolutely no underwear of any kind. Men are so easy and I knew the women
would hate me and the men would lust. I felt sensual and exotic to a point of
pornographic with my new attire so what did I care as long as my man is happy. I
was getting wet thinking about sex and thirsting for something between my legs
to stuff my hole. Charlie was proud of me and paraded me like he won a prize and
I was the reward so I played the role to a tee. He gets aroused when other men
lust after me and I know this man would love to see me get fucked by a strange
cock in the heat of passion but only when he's obsessed with lust and I'm a
nymphomania hot bitch.

We sat across from one another at the table and my black skirt barely covered my
legs exposing my naked thighs so I crossed my legs and elevated my breasts in a
straight posture. After a few drinks the alcohol was taking it's affect on the
both us since we didn't normally indulge in alcoholic beverages. I noticed the
bulge in Charlie's slacks and that he was prepared to jeopardize all his morals
for this erotic fantasy. The daring thought of his untamed talks made me wet
causing multiple orgasms while he shared one fantasy after another. I was
getting frigidity crossing and opening my legs just the feel of my inner thighs
was causing a tingling sensation throughout my body. I took deep breaths and
moaned quietly to help relieve my pornographic hunger. I noticed the man sitting
behind Charlie couldn't take his eyes off me and watched diligently every move I
made and his date was getting very angry. I felt naughty so I taunted him a
little while flirting with my husband by widening my legs to feel the bar breeze
caress my swollen vulva. I was so wet! His reaction was driving me crazy and now
Charlie knew what I was doing and he said, "Do you like teasing other men as
much as I enjoy watching?" I replied, "He's been staring at me since we sat down
so I thought I would give him something to dream about because what I have is
only for you babe". And I reached under the table to stroke my husband's
erection with a dirty sensual smile. Charlie said, "Rub your pussy with the tip
of your fingers and give me a taste". I closed my eyes and followed his
instructions the sensation was overwhelming and heavenly I could almost scream!
I opened my eyes to watch Charlie suck my fingers like a newborn babe. I brought
both legs together and tightened my posture feeling the sensation of another
orgasm. In the worse way I wanted Charlie's cock in my mouth - I love to wrap my
tongue around his thick cock.

I noticed my voyeur was alone and dominated by my performance. I told my husband
who suggested I should reward him for his perseverance. "What do you suggest I
do?" I replied. He said, "Surprise me you slut". Being called a slut caused me
to shiver with a tingling sensation. I was ready to fulfill all his fantasies.
All I could think of was dick - I needed dick and I was so hyper-horny! My eyes
locked onto to the voyeur as I walked slowly over to his chair. I stood in front
of him without saying a word (I was afraid if I said anything that I would
mutter from the affect that the drinks has caused) The voyeur touched my leg and
slide it slowly up - up - up to my inner thigh and turned to caress the back of
my ass with the palm of his hand. I was frozen and closed my eyes with a gentle
moan. I was in ecstasy and he slowly moved around my pussy without making
contact - I could of cried and hungered for the touch. I looked over and Charlie
smiled with approval so I reached down to grab his bulge and gave him a kiss on
the mouth. His hand elevated to my wet pussy - finally - I descended and locked
his hand on my pussy by clamping my legs together. My body rushed with
excitement; I had never done anything close to this in my life but the risk was
overwhelming making me out of control with lust. I didn't care what Charlie was
doing I wanted this man inside of me - NOW. I cried softly in his ear, "Fuck me
- please fuck me." He said, "Let's go get a room". I asked him to wait. I went
back to Charlie and asked if he would come to instruct me?

All three of us entered the room together and immediately Charlie took his pants
off in the chair and stroked his cock. "Come and suck this babe". I slowly and
teasingly strolled over to him licking my lips and down on him I went with my
mouth wide open devouring his erection as I have done so many times before. I
was thinking how delicious it was when suddenly I felt the stranger's hands on
my butt lifting up what was left of my short black skirt covering my ass. I
could hear him unzip his pants and suddenly he was guiding his hard cock right
into my unadulterated pussy. I could feel the throbbing head of his cock in my
pussy and I lost complete control. The thought of two cocks in me at once was
exhilarating! I moaned and cried with pleasure listening to Charlie telling the
stranger what a good lover I was and how sweet my pussy tasted. Instructing him
to fuck me harder deeper and faster. Calling me names while I was lost in this
lustful passionate adventure. I suddenly felt an explosion of hot juices in my
cunt and then in my mouth! I was soaked at both ends of my body - but the taste
was fantastic! I slurped every drop of hot cum and the stranger removed his cock
from my cunt I turned and thanked him asking him to leave his number on the
table. He said, "Anytime Lady - just call and I'll be back in a heartbeat -
that's one hell ova wife you go there." He left the room and Charlie and I
continued on all night fucking each other until daybreak. But we have never
discussed the evening since that night. But I often look at the number just
waiting for Charlie's instructions...I never got his name? I get wet at the very
thought of the evening we had. At least now I know what I want for my birthday
gift!

Re:I need a heat sink

[Anonymous Coward]

Come on man, can't you be more original? I though it was going to end with her shitting on the guy or something. What a gyp.

- i have sex with retarded kids
(banned, but finding free proxies to be useful!)

Answer: what is piezoelectric?

[Jucius Maximus]

For those who are unaware, piezoelectric crystals are items that will change shape under the application of an electric field and/or generate a potential difference (i.e. a voltage) when squeezed.

They're used in inkjet printers - they're in ink some cartridge when an electric field is applied to them and they change shape, forcing the ink out of the I also hear the they used them in the ipod for some sort of playlist control mechanism.

Re:Answer: what is piezoelectric?

[jaavaaguru]

They're using in the devices for lighting the gas on gas cookers in domestic kitchens. Either built into the cooker itself or in a hand-held device that, when squeezed, produces a spark at the end which lights the gas.

Re:Answer: what is piezoelectric?

[David Ishee]

They are also used to make accelerometers to measure acceleration.

yippee

[Sk3lt]

That is so cool now we will buy a computer and only to have a even more powerful computer be released the next day.

Big fans and ducting is the way to go...

[TrouserPenguin]

I'd much rather trust my components to one large, well made fan with some intelligent ducting inside the case to deliver the air flow where its needed. I think this is one area where some of the big system manufacturers still have a big advantage over a typical 'roll your own' case. Small cooling devices are just too fragile and unreliable, and multiple points of failure are unacceptable, especially in server applications IMHO.

Re:Big fans and ducting is the way to go...

[A Commentor]

Great, a single point of failure sounds SO much better that having redundant fans....

Re:Big fans and ducting is the way to go...

[sammy baby]

Where I come from "single point of failure" = "bad." The idea is to have complementary elements which can pick up the slack should something go wrong. On a WAN, that means multiple access points to the Internet for failover. With storage, it means RAID. In a case, it means multiple fans.

It is I...

[Anonymous Coward]

It is I...Egg Troll, and it seems to me you need a good ass reaming. Would you like to use shit, blood, or axel grease as lubricant?

Trick questions

[freeweed]

Or rather, answers in this case. You commonly hear things like 'this is hotter than the surface of the SUN!!!' like it's some huge temperature. In reality, what is considered the 'surface' of the sun is only a few thousand degress (still pretty hot, but not THAT hot). It's the extreme lower depths, and especially the upper 'atmosphere' of the sun that is hot - in the range of millions of degrees.

You have no idea

[Anonymous Coward]

I just love it how these 13 year olds spout off shit to try and increase their karma.

I'd much rather trust my components to one large, well made fan... and multiple points of failure are unacceptable, especially in server applications IMHO.

Every fucking server that I have worked on has at least 5 good quality fans. The compaq prolients that I'm working on now (quad Xeon's) has 2 power supply fans, two CPU fans, two fans over the PCI slots and an extra ventalation fan. All hot-swappable, all redundent.

I don't give a fuck how large your fan is, if it fails, you are fucked.

This is why real servers have multiple fans (even if it means muntiple points of failure)

Re:You have no idea

[TrouserPenguin]

Gosh dude! Take a Prozac. Sounds like you are having a rough day. I was actually thinking of the HP Netserver E40's we run Novell on and how much better I feel about them than I do about the built-from-local-parts Athlon system I built to replace a failed Exchange server. I keep seeing it going up in smoke in my dreams like the first one did when the CPU fan failed. I have yet to have one of the main fans fail on one of the HP's. Even the older Netserver 6/66's that I have converted to Linux after they were retired have never seen a failed main fan. Not all servers are huge multi-processor beasts with redundant systems. Sorry, haven't been 13 in many years... Try to get some rest. Drink a beer.

Re:You have no idea

[Anonymous Coward]

Wait until you see an Itanium server. More fan than computer.

Re:You have no idea

[MtViewGuy]

I really agree with your assessments.

Anyway, if the case is relatively open inside, all you need is a power supply with really decent venting (like the Enermax 300W unit with its double fans I'm using right now), a decent CPU cooler and a expansion slot fan to vent the hot air out of the lower portion of the system case. I've never had any heat-related failures.

In manufacture of computers

[Anonymous Coward]

If any company uses them in the manufacture of computers, I belive Apple will.

Perhaps this technology will show up in a new Powerbook or iBook. I have heard that the new Powerbooks often get too warm and the titanium shell does not help much either.

The new flat panel iMac could probably use them too.

Re:In manufacture of computers

[Anonymous Coward]

The FPiM will use convection. No need for fans of any type.

Notebook HD...no fan.
Micro form-factor CD w/slot-feed...no fan.
Motherboard and panel both vertical...no fan.

All the heat goes out the top vents...just don't tilt it all the way back or lay it down when in use, ok?

However, large plasma displays can benefit from this type of technology.

Oops

[RodeoBoy]

Is that drool on my shirt.

cooling by piezo-electric cilia

[xeno]

Ok, I just got this be-yoo-t-ful image in my mind:

Imagine the piezoelectric fan on a larger scale, not just waving a metal+ceramic blade (single flexible surface area), but creating an undulating sheet about the size of a letter/a4 size piece of paper using stripes of piezoelectric flexion areas that create a wave every 2-3cm. Now combine this with the latest in flexible printed circuitry top and bottom (or 2 layers top and bottom, for the really adventurous). I'd imagine you might also need periodic non-flexible stripes (ends?) for components and connects that can't be made flexible. Then add a lower-power processor and put it into an enclosure only slightly larger than the wave height, such as, say, a laptop computer housing. What do you have?

You'd get a motherboard that cools itself by cilia-like swimming/undulation movement that pushes air (against the enclosure) across its surface silently.

You'd get quieter rackmount systems, with 1U or "blade" servers that self-vent. ("Ah, yah need tah balance yer server there, buddy, the blades are outta sync.")

You get a laptop that you might enjoy putting in your lap. (On second thought, I'm not sure I want to sit next to someone on a plane with a two-stroke laptop...)

just my $0.02
-Jon Espenschied

Re:cooling by piezo-electric cilia

[FFFish]

LOL! That's brilliant. But why hide it in the case? Put it up on the wall, make it a component of some funky water fountain or light fountain, suspend it from the ceiling... it'd be too pretty to just stuff in a bland box!

Re:cooling by piezo-electric cilia

[lfourrier]

cool idea, did you patent it?
or if someone, someday want to patent it, can /. be viewed as prior art?

Re:cooling by piezo-electric cilia

[Gleep]

OOH! Put it in an aquarium filled with freon or something and then put some food coloring in it! WHEEEEE!!! Add some flourescent lighting or some Neon!

Whoa... too much code red for breakfast, i gotta go easy on that stuff....

Re:cooling by piezo-electric cilia

[esper_child]

why not take this to the obvious extreme and print the mobo on the cilia like whip. so that it whips around and cools itself.

Re:cooling by piezo-electric cilia

[Anonymous Coward]

That was the idea.

this has been done before

[Anonymous Coward]

One engineer I know told me of such a scheme about 10 years ago, maybe longer.

I'm posting this as AC because I don't know if he was supposed to tell me and therefore if I am supposed to tell the world.

He was a contract engineer, and the team he was on came up with the idea of using pezioelectric fans.

I don't know if they bothered to patent it or what, but I do know it's been done before.

Re:Piezo fans? Old hat.

[red_crayon]

Whadyou expect? This is Slashdot!

NEWS FLASH

[Anonymous Coward]

./ editors would not post this as news, so I will!

Title: 13 December 2001 Cumulative Patch for IE
Date: 13 December 2001
Software: Internet Explorer
Impact: Run Code of an Attacker's Choice
Max Risk: Critical
Bulletin: MS01-058

Microsoft encourages customers to review the Security Bulletin at:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bullet in /MS01-058.asp.

Issue:
This is a cumulative patch that, when installed, eliminates all
previously discussed security vulnerabilities affecting IE 5.5 and
IE 6. In addition, it eliminates three newly discovered
vulnerabilities.

- The first vulnerability involves a flaw in the handling of the
Content-Disposition and Content-Type header fields in an HTML.
stream. These fields, the hosting URL, and the hosted file data
determine how a file is handled upon download in Internet
Explorer. A security vulnerability exists because, if an
attacker altered the HTML header information in a certain way,
it could be possible to make IE believe that an executable file
was actually a different type of file -- one that it is
appropriate to simply open without asking the user for
confirmation. This could enable the attacker to create a web
page or HTML mail that, when opened, would automatically run an
executable on the user's system. This vulnerability affects
IE 6.0 only. It does not affect IE 5.5.

- The second vulnerability is a newly discovered variant of the
"Frame Domain Verification" vulnerability discussed in Microsoft
Security Bulletin MS01-015. The vulnerability could enable a
malicious web site operator to open two browser windows, one in
the web site's domain and the other on the user's local file
system, and to pass information from the latter to the former.
This could enable the web site operator to read, but not change,
any file on the user's local computer that could be opened in a
browser window. This vulnerabilty affects both IE 5.5 and 6.0.

- The third vulnerability involves a flaw related to the display
of file names in the File Download dialogue box. When a file
download is initiated, a dialogue provides the name of the file.
However, in some cases, it would be possible for an attacker to
misrepresent the name of the file in the dialogue. This could be
invoked from a web page or in an HTML email in an attempt to
fool users into accepting unsafe file types from a trusted
source. This vulnerabilty affects both IE 5.5 and 6.0.

Mitigating Factors:
File Execution Vulnerability:

- The vulnerability could not be exploited if File Downloads have
been disabled in the Security Zone from which the file is being
received. In most attempts to maliciously exploit this
vulnerability the file would be received from the Internet or
Intranet zone. Therefore, disabling File Downloads in these zones
can protect customers. This is not the default setting for either
of these zone, however.

- This affects IE 6.0 only.

Frame Domain Verification Variant:
- The vulnerability could only be used to view files. It could not
be used to create, delete, modify or execute them.

- The vulnerability would only allow an attacker to read files that
can be can be opened in a browser window, such as image files,
HTML files and text files. Other file file types, such as binary
files, executable files, Word documents, and so forth, could not
be read.

- The attacker would have to have knowledge of the exact file name
and location in other to successfully read the file on the
local system.

File Name Spoofing Vulnerability:
- The determination on choosing to accept a file download from an
Internet site should always be based on the trustworthiness of
the source and not on the file type. File downloads should never
be accepted from an untrusted source, no matter how harmless the
type may appear to be.

Risk Rating:
- Internet systems: Critical
- Intranet systems: Critical
- Client systems: Critical

Patch Availability:
- A patch is available to fix this vulnerability. Please read the
Security Bulletin at
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin /ms01-058.asp
for information on obtaining this patch.

Acknowledgment:
- Jouko Pynnonen of Oy Online Solutions Ltd
(http://www.solutions.fi/index.cgi/?lang=eng)

Next step is the return of the Mac Chimney..

[Anonymous Coward]

Back in the 80s, you could get piezo fans for the Mac Plus' or you could build your own Mac Chimney. It was basically a pyramid that sat on top of the Mac with a 2" square chimney stack that extended from the top of the pyramid for a height of about 18". Supposedly, it provided the necessary draft to pull the heat out of the Mac Plus. For some reason my wife never appreciated the beauty of it sitting ontop of her computer...

I see no reason why the same technology could not be applied to modern CPUs and computers. It would be energy efficient to say the least..

On a side note, if you want an interesting geometry problem, try to mathematically design a pyramid out of cardboard for a specific height and base.

My childhood days with CmdrTaco, by Jon Katz

[Genghis Troll]

It all began when CmdrTaco called me and invited me to go camping with him
and another friend of his, Hemos. We were going to be entering sixth grade in
the following week, so he wanted to do this as sort of a last hurrah for
summer. I immediately agreed. After I got mom's ok, I packed my backpack and
tied my sleeping bag to the bottom, and headed over to CmdrTaco's house.

CmdrTaco's house was a large ranch house at the end of the dirt road I lived
on. Behind it, the trees and overgrown flora and wilderness seemed to stretch
on forever. We had gone treking through the woods many times, and had camped
out there a couple of times previously, both times with parental supervision.
This time, CmdrTaco's dad decided it would be all right for us to go off by
ourselves, and we left.

It was a hot summer evening, and by the time we lost sight of the house,
we were already hot and sweaty. After talking about it, we decided to camp
by the large pond about two miles into the woods. That way, once we got
camp set up, we could take a swim.

The water of the pond looked cool and inviting when we first saw it, and
it took a lot for us to put the small tent up first, and spread the large
beach towels near the edge of the pond.

As we started to take our clothes off, I watched CmdrTaco out of the corner
of my eye. We had been friends since kindergarden, and there was very little
we didn't share. Yet, for the first time, I began to notice how well-formed
CmdrTaco's body was. He was a bit taller than me, and his chest was smooth and
tan. He had a trim waistline, and his ass was small and delicate.

I noticed that, as I took off my underwear, my dick was growing larger.
I remembered that CmdrTaco had told me about jacking off, earlier that summer,
and had told me how to do it. I did, and the feeling was the most intense
pleasure I had yet felt in my young life. I knew that if I kept looking at
CmdrTaco's ass, I'd have to jack off before long, so I jumped into the pond.

CmdrTaco and Hemos jumped in behind me, and we laughed and splashed each other
with the cool, clean pond water. All the activity was just getting me harder,
and I knew I'd have to jack off soon or go crazy.

Just then, Hemos pushed me into CmdrTaco, and I felt my boner press into his
thigh. I also felt his boner press into my abdomen. My face must have turned
bright red, because CmdrTaco immediately said, "Hey! Katz's got a boner!"

"You do too!" I replied, grinning. He splashed me with water, but
laughed.

"That makes three of us with boners," Hemos said. He stood with the water
just touching the bottom of his balls, his twelve-year-old cock standing at
attention. CmdrTaco laughed and playfully grabbed at Hemos's boner. I groped
CmdrTaco's boner and Hemos groped mine.

After several seconds, we decided to get out of the water. We sat down
on the beach towels, our erections still standing out. We poked at each
others' boners for a few minutes.

"Man, I have got to jack off," CmdrTaco said, saying what was on both my
mind and Hemos's. Hemos, who had been groping CmdrTaco's balls, wrapped his hand
around CmdrTaco's six inch long meat and started pumping up and down. CmdrTaco's
face turned red, but he didn't push Hemos's hand away. I watched, wondering
what they were going to do next.

When Hemos bent over CmdrTaco's lap and started licking CmdrTaco's dick, my own
boner got even harder. CmdrTaco leaned back on the blanket, and Hemos slid CmdrTaco's
cock into his mouth. I watched, fascinated, as Hemos went up and down,
slurping, on my best friend's dick. CmdrTaco groaned loudly, his breath getting
shorter and shorter. Hemos made an almost purring sound as he sucked CmdrTaco,
and I knew what was going to happen next.

CmdrTaco came in Hemos's mouth, and he cried out loudly when the orgasm hit
him. Hemos kept sucking on CmdrTaco's meat, drinking down his adolescent fluids.
Some dribbled out of a corner of his mouth, and Hemos licked it up, and kissed
CmdrTaco's cock as it started to soften.

I suddenly realized that I had my own hand around my cock as I had been
watching them. "Wow..." I managed to say. "That looked great."

"Do you want me to suck you?" CmdrTaco asked. The thought of a hot mouth
around my cock sent a shiver of pleasure through me.

"Yes!" I replied, opening my legs and moving my hand from my cock. CmdrTaco
leaned over and touched my cock, stroking it gently. He wrapped his hand
around the five and three quarter inch shaft and squeezed gently as he leaned
forward. I could feel his breath hot on my boner, and I moaned with low
passion.

CmdrTaco's tongue touched my cock tip, and the electric heat made me groan
louder. He licked around the head in a clockwise spiral, then trailed down
the shaft to my smooth, hairless balls. He took one, then both in his mouth,
and I squirmed where I lay, amazed at how good it felt to have my balls in
another boy's mouth. Then, he let them out and licked his way back up to
the tip, and took the head in his mouth.

Slowly, my temperature rose as my cock slid further into his mouth. I
was in ecstasy when he got it all in his mouth, and my meat was fully
encased in his hot, wet mouth. "Suck me..." I moaned, and CmdrTaco started to
bob up and down on me like Hemos had bobbed on CmdrTaco earlier. His strokes
were long and slow, and each one produced a wave of pleasure that rolled
through me.

He increased the pace, and I started to feel my balls tingle. The
slurping, smacking sounds he made sounded like music to my ears, and I
started to moan louder and louder.

I stiffened, and knew I was about to come. When my orgasm arrived, it
was a blast of pure passion that tore through me, as my salty load shot out
into CmdrTaco's waiting mouth. CmdrTaco gulped down the cum, and still kept sucking
me, as I squeezed more out. A wave of pleasure, greater than any I'd ever
had while jacking off, had me riding high for minutes.

Finally, I started coming down, and my dick started to lose it's
hardness. CmdrTaco got up, leaned over, and kissed me. I opened my mouth, and
his tongue slipped inside, and I tasted my own cum. I kissed CmdrTaco back,
realizing that our friendship had taken a further step into love.

When we finally broke away, I said, "That was wonderful, CmdrTaco. Can we
do it again?"

"Sure," CmdrTaco replied. "But not right away. It'll take you a while to
be able to get another boner. Same with me."

"Have you done this before?" I asked.

"Only with Hemos," CmdrTaco said. "He taught me what to do, and now he's
going to teach you. Come over here." CmdrTaco took my hand and guided it over
to Hemos's cock, which was standing up from where he had been watching. I
gripped the cock, feeling the warmth and the gentle pulsing under my hand.
I squeezed, feeling it's thickness.

"Don't squeeze so hard," Hemos said. "Nice and gentle...that's it." I
squeezed it less hard and started to stroke his cock, all the while leaning
closer and closer to it. "That's it, go ahead and lick it." Hesitantly,
I put out my tongue and touched the tip, and was surprised when it jumped.
I licked it again, trying to imitate the circular motion on the head that
CmdrTaco had done for me.

"Okay, now take the head into your mouth," Hemos instructed. It slid in
gently, a warm presence inside my mouth. "Okay, now slide it in slowly...
watch the teeth...that's it...oh, god, yes..." As he sank further into my
mouth, I marveled that a boy's cock could taste so good.

When the cock tip touched my throat, I gagged. "Just relax your throat,"
Hemos said. "Let it slide past." I closed my eyes and let it slide further
in. The impulse to gag returned breifly, then went away, and soon, I had his
whole six inch cock in my mouth.

As I started going up and down on his cock, CmdrTaco head ducked under mine
and I could see his tongue licking Hemos's balls. I shifted around to the
side, to give CmdrTaco more room, and kept sucking on Hemos.

Hemos moaned loudly, and I knew that we were starting to make him feel
good. CmdrTaco had Hemos's balls in his mouth, and he was fondling my soft cock
with his left hand. I shivered, knowing that I'd have another boner before
the night was through.

"I'm gonna cum!" Hemos called, and soon enough, his cum started shooting
out of his cock and into my waiting mouth. CmdrTaco lifted his head up and
started licking the corner of my mouth, which had started to leak cum. I
took my mouth partially off Hemos's head and CmdrTaco took the other part, our
lips meeting as we drank Hemos's delicious boy juices. He tasted so good!

Finally, Hemos was drained, and he laid back, a big smile on his face.
CmdrTaco and I shared a cum-laced kiss, then snuggled up to Hemos on the blanket,
both of us taking turns in exchanging long french kisses with him.

Living the Life of Luxury

[poteet]

Does this mean I can have miniature women feeding my Athlon grapes and other exotic fruits?

Where is the active cooling?

[Bob_Robertson]

Fans, fans fans. Might as well use a Tesla Turbine to move ungodly volumes of air with very little noise. No fan blades, no resonance with the heat sink blades to make loud whine or buzz. Just the hiss of moving air over the heat sink blades.

However, solid state heat transfer has been around for ages. I would love to find an advert for a 12-volt refridgerator for camping that I saw back in the 1970's. It used a pezo film between two heat sinks, one on the inside and one on the outside. Apply the voltage, and heat was moved actively into the outside heat sink, enough to chill your beer and keep the fish fresh on the trip home.

Put such a film between the chip and a heat sink. Gosh wow, a cool CPU.

Bob-

Re:Where is the active cooling?

[TrouserPenguin]

I actually used to have a bag of these things, small ones that were designed to stick on to high powered DIP chips with thermal epoxy. Peltier Junctions is the proper name. I tried to sell some of them to a surplus dealer when I moved and had to clean out the workshop but they wouldn't take them because they were classified as hazardous waste! Seems that they used to use Beryllium in the manufacturing process, so I was told, and they were very toxic if they got chipped.

Re:Where is the active cooling?

[Descartes]

Um dude,
It's called a peltier and people do use them to cool CPUs. Although they acutlly just pump the heat from one side to another so it doesn't really help that much.

Ameoba

[Anonymous Coward]

Pound for pound the Ameoba is the most fearsome killer ever devised...

Well, atleast that's the old saying, I think a virus (not outlook type) might be smaller.

why AMD?

[Anonymous Coward]

Doesn't intel run hotter Mhz for Mhz?

Or even power for power (power not being voltage, I mean benchmark ratings)?

Re:why AMD?

[Rasta Prefect]

No. Really, really no. Not even close. Athlons run considerably hotter.

Re:why AMD?

[Drakantus]

Intel would have you think otherwise. They rate their chips with max "typical" thermal output, while AMD rates chips with the true maximum thermal output. If you go to the effort to determine the real maximum thermal output, yes the fastest pentium 4 is hotter than the fastest Athlon XP.

Wearables technology

[nukebuddy]

This might be helpful for wearables -- and the article authors seem to think so too:

From the article:

Piezoelectric fans are very low power, small, very low noise, solid-state devices that have recently emerged as viable thermal management solutions for a variety of portable electronics applications including laptop computers, cellular phones and wearable computers.

-nukebuddy

Re:Wearables technology

[Anonymous Coward]

Why not put an piezo into the shirts armpit,
nice and cool.

Of Course, one more requirement

[fean]

The motors have to be able to convert heat->energy to move...

i.e. heat activated, the hotter it gets, the more it cools!!!! Can't get more efficient than that?!?!?!?!

MOD THIS DOWN AS OFFTOPIC

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod parent down!

I shall Taco-snot upon your face, sir!

[The WIPO Troll]

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ By The WIPO Troll, $Revision: 1.12 $

Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco, in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

Whenever Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P in it, you're in trouble.

So this time, he found you. Lucky you.

CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation, VA Software. CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants that only comes out in the presence of other men or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testes that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his, well, jizz. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means when he asks you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."

Lastly, there is a practice he refers to as "Taco-snotting" and the more shocking "circle-snot."

Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is the term used by CmdrTaco to refer to the practice of sucking the penis of a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumored to prefer rape), then blowing the semen out his nose onto his partner's (victim's) face and body. A long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with each other's man juice. This can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.

To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

Hopefully.

You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an Open Source Convention. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.

CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."

How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):

You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.

After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.

Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called " Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.

As I already said, Mr. Katz is also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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READER COMMENTS

1. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105)
   
   this is good shit man

2. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
   by Dark_Cobra87 on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180)
   
   Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

3. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
   by Fecal Troll Matter on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791)
   
   Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce...
   
   Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

4. Look (Score:-1)
   by ArchieBunker on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679)
   
   I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?
   http://www.naawp.org/

5. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602)
   
   Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.
   
   I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

6. Re:Snot me baby, one more time! (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.30 1:01 (#2634213)
   
   Get a life you loser! Don't you have anything better to do than insult CmdrTaco and the gay community? We are not perverts, we are human beings just like you. So give it a rest!

7. Re:Hello, perdida!!! Won't you snot my face tonigh (Score:-1)
   by perdida on on 2001.11.27 14:13 (#2618764)
   
   Shut up you asshole.
   
   I am not great, I am merely adequate. I live in adequacy.

8. Go back to Russia. (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.26 22:22 (#2616035)
   
   You weiner trool!

9. Re:The Taco-Snotting FAQ Rides Again!! (Updated so (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.25 9:14 (#2609574)
   
   try to find a pic of actual "taco-snotting"! fucking funny it would be! so go to gay porn sites day in and day out until you find a man giving another man a blowjob that has jizz coming out of his nose and mouth. by the way, keep up the good work

10. Re:Snotting another first!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 12:18 (#2603370)
    
    WIPO, this is getting waaaay old, either drop it or revise it.... there've been no updates for days now...
    
    CmdrTaco

11. Re:It's Taco SPAM!!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.22 17:28 (#2600815)
    
    A truly excellent and very humourous troll indeed!
    However...
    
    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves.
    
    Black GeStaPo uniforms? The GeStaPo (Geheime Staatspolizei - Secret State Police) wore civilian clothes (although there are reports on them occasionally using Allgemeine SS uniforms in occupied territories).
    
    I seriously doubt that perverted individuals like CmdrTaco et al would have the good taste to ever wear the outstandingly beautiful black Waffen SS uniforms! Please update the FAQ accordingly.
    • Re:It's Taco SPAM!!! (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 4:06 (#2602610)
      
      Actually, it appears you are both wrong!! Ah ha!! I think our boy WIPO was thinking of the Allgemeine SS uniforms. Waffen SS were grey.

12. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:49 (#2594325)
    
    oh yeah, you say you have masturbated only 2 times to this post. well, by the time it takes for me to get through reading it, i usually end up masturbated 5 to 6 times, 10 to 12 if i have the goatse.cx homepage loaded up and am looking at it side by side with the slashdot page. my keyboard, hands, mouse, monitor, the underside of my desk and around the floor under my desk are cum soaked and sticky with the man smell i know and love.

13. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:41 (#2594311)
    
    for version 2 you should make a total re-write of the cod...errr...text and add some details about cmdrtaco and the homo-gang's happenings with their coworkers (osdn?) and all of the gay revelry they enjoy and promote. by the way, did i just see cmdrtaco on television promoting the nax hair removal system? i guess after using vaseline in and around his ass he grew quite a ponytail and it had to be removed somehow...ouch!

14. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:-1, Troll)
    by TRoLLaXoR on 2001.11.21 3:59 (#2594191)
    
    WIPO, do you notice how few comments you get for anything you write/post/spam nowadays?
    
    -Trollaxor

15. Jon-Katz docking (Score:-1)
    by sales_worldwide on 2001.11.20 11:53 (#2588488)
    
    You forgot to mention Jon Katz's "docking" games, where he places his chopper head to head with another chap, and rolls the other guys foreskin over his own circumcised end ("docking"), providing him with fantasies of actually having his own forskin ...
    "Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...

16. Re:Snotting a first! (Score:-1)
    by Fucky the troll on 2001.11.20 11:28 (#2588446)
    
    Woah! When did the WIPO troll get freed? And how the fuck did I miss it?
    
    Excellent FP, sir.
    
    This is a sig virus. Please put me in your sig

17. Re:Snotting a first! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.20 11:04 (#2588407)
    
    omg that is crapflooding material if i ever saw it!!!!!! and u got a first post!!!! whoot to the wipo troll!!!

18. GW, please.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 9:03 (#2583756)
    
    GW...you know we love every hair on your 27 acre ass... and I, for one, would never do anything untowards your graceful demeanor. And you probably have several friends that would love to help you do the bear dance all over my face if I so much as spelled your name wrong. And you know I'd defend your Constitutional right to defame God in heaven. I'd even help fund your education, should you ever decide to take that route. Hell, I'd buy you a tall tepid bear-whiz beer if you were here with me, right now!
    
    But. ...if you can't find another topic, I'm gonna step over your dead mother's grave and kick your assuredly anesthetitized butt clear across the playground.
    
    Now go stick your shaved head back down inside the woman's toilet, and just to show there's no hard feelings, I'll jump in the tow-truck and drive right over to help you pull it right out...ok?
    
    thanks

19. Re:Help me Taco-Snotters!! (Score:-1)
    by mark knopfler 69 on 2001.11.19 8:25 (#2583695)
    
    I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU SIR. FOR ONE THING, THE E-MAIL FROM CMDRTACO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING MISTAKES. Let's be realistic here, CmdrTaco usually types with one hand, and since he is shaking from jacking off his aim on the keyboard isn't too good. Those e-mails were a little too well written. Sorry boy, you'll have to do better.

20. Re: What the hell is "taco snotting"? (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll on 2001.11.19 8:14 (#2583667)
    
    You should update this to say VA Software instead of VA Linux.

21. YOU ARE WINNER (Score:1)
    by smackmonkey on 2001.11.19 7:06 (#2583510)
    
    Crackhead moderators: this is +5, Hilarious material.
    
    --
    CNN declares War on Islam!
    Left-wing America declares War on its Civil Liberties!

22. Re:On Taco-Snotting 1.9 (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 5:40 (#2583336)
    
    This was funny the first 100 times. Now it is getting boring!

23. Digusting and Shameful (Score:-1)
    by egg troll on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054)
    
    Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!
    
    For more info check out this /. article

24. IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822)
    
    add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too
    • Re:IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832)
      
      and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com
      
      other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!

25. Re:CmdrTaco's filthy secret! (Score:-1)
    by Wil Wheaton on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438)
    
    Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
    --
    WIL WHEATON DOT NET

26. WIPO speaks the truth (Score:-1)
    by dead_puppy on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342)
    
    Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:
    
    From: malda@slashdot.org
    To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
    Subject: were where you last friday? :(
    
    I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.
    
    --
    CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)
    
    You finding Ling-Ling's head?

27. Taco snotting is WRONG!!! (Score:-1)
    by Big_Ass_Spork on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300)
    
    I do it wrong
    
    Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
    
    Massaging my nutsack she....
    
    WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
    
    Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]
    
    "OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"
    
    "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"
    
    I DO IT WRONG!!!!
    
    ---
    All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...

28. Rob Malda Dead at age 25! (Score:-1)
    by j0nkatz on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596)
    
    I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the /. community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his queer antics and boring ass website, there's no denying his contributions to the homosesual cultural development, particularly in the areas of Taco snotting. Truly an American icon.
    
    I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.

29. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601)
    
    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)

30. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457)
    
    The WIPO Troll
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.

31. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632)
    
    Oh, man that's just sick !

32. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604)
    
    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P

33. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495)
    
    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured

34. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890)
    
    Where the fuck do I sign up?!
    
    - I throw rocks at retarded kids
    
    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."

35. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753)
    
    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.

36. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746)
    
    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.

37. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701)
    
    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.

38. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266)
    
    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com
    
    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!

39. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024)
    
    +5, Arousing
    
    For more info check out this /. article

40. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891)
    
    WINNER>

41. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887)
    
    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.

42. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412)
    
    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!
    
    WIPO trolls > linux

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In some systems, more points of failure is good.

[Lethyos]

Multiple points of failure in a system without cycles, such as A->B->C->D->E are bad. If you're going from A->E, B, C, or D could fail and ruin the whole thing. However, if you had A->B & A->C & A->D, etc... then more points of failure are a Good Thing. Now look at another case. If you have a device A that does 100% of the work, and it fails, than you have 100% failure. If you have devices A, B, C, and D, each doing 25% of the work, and one fails, you only have 25% failure. More points of failure is good in this case. With a ton of these tiny fans, if some fail, the system continues to work without damage. Think, write, read, think, rewrite, think, preview, post. Try it.

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A really cool use for these other than cooling BZZ

[t0qer]

Use them for wings on robotic insects and small flying machines. Would these flap fast enough to provide a good lift to weight ratio?

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[mark knopfler 69]

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2 years?

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it really take two years to cool off the chip?

Crunch

[Descartes]

These seem pretty cool (no pun intended) but what happens when it's time to replace your CPU. Just reach in and grab the ol micro-fan heatsink and *crunch* tiny flakes of fan blades all over the inside of your case.
I think I'll just stick with my technique of periodically spraying water into my case.

Re:Piezo fans? Old hat.

[Anonymous Coward]

>the concept has been there for eons

But what about ions? I keep seeing infomercials for the Ionic Breeze. How does it make the "breeze" and couldn't this technology be used to sink processor heat? The commercials swear the Ionic Breeze is totally silent, would definitely be nice to see in PCs.

Try using the PREVIEW BUTTON next time

[Anonymous Coward]

it's there to help prevent embarassing errors like that horrible abomination that came after your first sentence.

Re:Try using the PREVIEW BUTTON next time

[Anonymous Coward]

"Try using the PREVIEW BUTTON next time"

Ah yes ... it's more about the less than perfect form text-entry in mozilla than anything else. But I always use the preview.

this isn't really new?

[Anonymous Coward]

i can remember to have read about exactly the same cooling technology in a review of an HP-X86 Desktop PC in a german computer magazine (c't).
That thas been somewhere between 1990 and 1993

Big problem with this

[Dynedain]

They say you can use a surface of these fans each of which is only a hair's-width long to cool chips. Do they have any concept of the idea of dust?? Every six months or so I have to take one of those cans to my fans to remove the huge air blocking clumps that seem to clog up the entire fan. Are we gonna have to start purchasing a special cleaner that we have to dip these into every couple of weeks? My monitors have a pretty much permanent grey film that doesn't wash away on them from a year or two of the Los Angeles smog. I'd hate to see what particles that small will do to the effectiveness of these fans.

Re:Big problem with this

[pkesel]

A valid point. Try a case filter. They're out there.

Or stop smoking. Keep the cats and dogs out of the computer room. Maybe move away from the salt mine next door that's kicking up all that dust.

Re:Big problem with this

[SloppyElvis]

A case filter will not prevent water vapor from condensing on such a device.

Re:Big problem with this

[Dynedain]

I dont smoke. There are no pets in my home. No heavy industry next door. Just wonderfull everyday everywhere LA smog.

getting ridiculous

[ChristTrekker]

Seriously. How many new ways do we have to think up to cool down processors that are too hot to begin with? Why not fix the processor so it doesn't run so hot? Come to think of it, it's already been done by Apple/IBM/Motorola. It's called the PowerPC.

I'm not trolling here, folks. Is all this effort worth it? Why not just make the jump to a better architecture that runs 80% cooler? With all the effort that's gone into cooling technologies, we'd probably have a 2.5 GHz G5 by now. If you think it's impossible to make a radical jump of chipset, let me remind you of Apple (68k PPC), Be (PPC x86), WinNT (x86 PPC).

I avoid Windows because I think it's bad software. I use MacOS or Linux instead. I avoid Intel because I think it's bad hardware. I use PowerPC (AMD if I really need an x86 solution) instead. I think of it as promoting positive change in the industry.

Re:getting ridiculous

[pkesel]

What effort? Did the CPU manufacturers ask the researchers to come up with something new? Those researchers found an opportunity and are pursuing it.

With all the effor to keep floor clean, wouldn't you think they'd find a way to stop all that dust from hitting the ground rather than developing new vacuums or brooms? That problem has been around for centuries.

With all that effort to keep shoes on, wouldn't you think they'd develop something other than strings to keep them on? Think how much energy is wasted tying shoes every day! And then you have to do it several times for some shoes!

On a less flippant note, the people who design processors are engineers. They're professionals. Do you think they're lazy? Stupid? Ignorant? What do you think it is that makes them avoid the heat issue? I tend to think it's a difficult problem, and that there are other problems that are more important. If they could fix it simply they would. If it were of paramount importance they would get rid of the heat.

When heat is the problem keeping them from making a product that is useful and marketable they'll change it. Until then they focus on other things, and they make you buy a heat managment accessory.

What's so hard to understand about that?

Re:getting ridiculous

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow, WinNT made the jump to PPC and all of my x86 Win32 apps will work without modification?!?! Thats news to me!

Seriously, what about all of my applications and games? Are *you* going to fund the various companies to port and release them for free to me? If not, then shut up.

electromagnetic noise

[Anonymous Coward]

" Since they don't have magnets, no electromagnetic noise problems."

Is that a joke? ALL electric and alectronic devices radiate electromagnetic noise. Whether or not they contain magnets is compltetely irrelevant. Current flowing in a wire (a circuit board trace) creates a magnetic field. This smells like a farce.

failing of linux

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Linux system.

An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.

Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.

According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).

The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Linux community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Linux, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Linux advocates.

Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".

The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.

I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.

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Is this stupid?

[Penguinoflight]

Am I the only one who doesn't get the idea here?
$149 for a peizoelectric fan... how is this going to work better than a 1800's style fan? I can't see how such a thing would work at all, unless you had stacked peltiers.

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Super-efficient?

[Schwamm]

Purdue researchers have come up with a new way to cool chips, in about 2 years . . . Since they don't have magnets, no electromagnetic noise problems. And, of course, super-efficient.

How super-efficient can it be if it takes two years to cool the chip?

Had one on my Mac 512ke. I hope they ...

[crovira]

aren't claiming its anything new.

When I did brain surgery on my ancient Mac to slap in an extra meg and a half and a SCSI interface I had to install the 'flapper' fan or whatch my case do a Dali "soft watch."

Gluing a piezo fan onto the chip is not very smart anyway. And it does generate some 'flexing' heat where there is the least air motion. And it makes noise like a butterfly on speed.

You don't get something for nothing. Moving air other than by convection causes turbulence which causes vibrations. Vibration IS noise. Which is more irritating, a flapping buzz or a whirling whoosh? Its a matter of taste.

The Real Story Behind the Design

[Greyfox]

Mr Hat: Boy that Ricki Ingles sure can wiggle his hot ass!
Student: Pay attention Mr Hat... WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?

And the rest is history.

Oh yeah

[glowingspleen]

Hey baby, why don't you follow me downstairs to the computer room. I've got a wriggling heat sink that you need to check out.

Re:case dsigne and mother board layout

[the_2nd_coming]

the answer there for is case design.
look at Apple's case design. it is elegant, cables are out of the way, and the heat is disepated much more than in an ATX case.

Obsolete already?

[Anonymous Coward]

Won't this be superceded by this thermoelectric heatsink?

E-M interference

[mks180]

I can't agree with the no E-M interference statement. I can see there being less of it, but piezoelectric materials run on the concept of using a voltage differential to change the shape of the material. So you have to use electric current to produce the waving motion. I guess if the difference in EM fields is in orders of magnitude, than you can assume there is virtually no EM interference.

had one of these in a 128k mac

[Anonymous Coward]

It seems funny to me that i had one of these fans in a 128k mac that was upgraded to a wopping 512k. that was 1985 if i remember correctly.

sigh.

Caveats of Piezoelectric Crystals

[SloppyElvis]

We used piezoelectric crystals in a Genomics Lab at the University of Wisconsin and there are two problems that immediately come to mind at the mention of this application (and an afterthought).

For one, they are very costly. Perhaps with their proliferation, the costs would go down, perhaps not.

Second, piezoelectric crystals are very fragile. They have a tendency to crumble when too much force is applied to them. Unless this problem has been solved, transport of such a device could easily cause damage. See point #1.

Afterthought, there may also be a problem with condensation associated with the use of piezoelectrics. Without the air flow of a fan, devices of this sort are subject to water vapor condensation, which, as everybody knows, is a bad thing to have happening on your mother board. In an analogous situation, my brother and I tried using Peltier junctions to cool our hot rod, and the result was a watery mess. (Coincidentally, I now work for an unnamed company that relies on Peltier junctions for rapid thermal cycling, and to solve the condensation problem, we have relied on, you've got it, heat sinks and fans).

NO ELECTROMAGNETIC NOISE?

[AB3A]

This little piezo fan may be efficient, but anyone who says it doesn't radiate electromagnetic energy is clearly showing his own ignorance.

There has got to be something less than perfect efficiency and whatever little inefficiency it might be, it almost certainly has to contain some electromagnetic radiation. It may well be much less, perhaps even orders of magnitude less, EM radiation. But you can be certain that it exists.

Oh, and by the way, peizo effect movements are not new. I seem to remember ads for them in Digi-Key catalogs years ago. I seem to remember that they were quite pricey too.

You want a flutter in your lap -top? Get a feather. :-)

This should also be quieter than fans

[BattyMan]

which is a Good Thing(tm).

With 5 boxen in the corner of the Dining Room, I'm under significant pressure from the SO to keep the sound pressure levels down.

"Battle (that's really my name), It looks like the bridge of the Star Trek in there!!"

Scale this up so it can cool ME

[GPS Pilot]

If these fans really use 1/150 the electricity of a conventional fan, there should be an effort to scale them up to the size used to cool people.

It would be cool to have one of these sitting om my desk, flapping at me, while drawing very little power.

Re:Scale this up so it can cool ME

[Anonymous Coward]

Not to mention the fun I could have turning the power up, having it slapping you.

Magic Wheelbarrows.

[Cheese Metal Rulez!!]

They use more power.

Where do you think that electricity goes?

Intel fairies carting it away in magic wheelbarrows perhaps?

No, it turns into heat, more heat from a top of the range PIV than from a top of the range Athlon.

The real difference is that the PIV has a larger surface area (over 9 times the size) to dissipate it from due to the metal slug on top and the minimum spec for PIV heatsinks is stupidly high.

Re:Piezo fans? Old hat.

[klapton]

I also remember seeing a similar product used on Radio Shack Color Computers back in the day. I believe the manufacturer called it the Dragonfly Fan. It used two flat blades side by side that would bend (or flap) in opposite directions. I think the whole kit cost around $30.

superconducting chips

[kasow]

No, superconducting chip designs are possible, if you're sufficiently clever. IBM and other groups spent lots of money in the 70s trying to use Josephson junctions in a way analogous to transistors, so that the presence of a voltage on a line was a '1' and lack of a voltage was '0'. This was a dead end.

A more recent development has been to set aside these preconceptions and use the unique properties of superconductors. If you have a ring of superconductor, you can trap a quantum of magnetic flux in it- this corresponds to a bit of current flowing eternally around the ring. If a Josephson junction is part of the ring, it can, by changing state, release the flux quantum, creating a voltage pulse. Google for 'RSFQ' and you'll find lots more information.

Re:Piezo fans? Old hat.

[Anonymous Coward]

It says as much in the article (initially developed in the 70s, etc.). It could be worth your time taking a look.

Also, listing the first link in a Google search is not particularly impressive - you should have tried the third link. That looks pretty cool.

They do? Where?

[Bob_Robertson]

Ok, what brands of heat sinks use Peltier Junctions? Where can I buy one?

Bob-