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Linux 2.5.2 Kernel Released
valdis writes "Amazing.. it's been out over 3 hours and not discussed to death. Well, maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there. But if there are, here's what's new. You can get it at the usual place, but please use the mirrors if you can."
I thought they were going to add .NET extensions to this release.
Yay uh, what do i win
Who run Barter Town?
Well, 2.5 is coming along, lets help them out and test it.
Kyle "DotCom" Lynch
...I need some cheeze-its...
No 2.6.x yet? :p (only kidding - well done everyone)
Please forbgive my linux newbiness but i though odd numbered kernals were only experimental or unstable? If this is the case is it still usable under mission critical apps such as web servers etc?
i want to die
They'll come up with something that on the surface LOOKS like .NET, but is actually a poorly functioning facsimile underneath.
Without any documentation. Where is Linux's equivalent of MSDN, eh? NOWHERE. The best you get is the source code, which has comments written by the twelve year olds that think they know how to write an operating system:
"Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
Sounds rather interesting. I've had some issues with my Rio 800 MP3 player with many 2.4 kernels, perhaps it's more stable now? Also great that the kernel guys are working on 2.0 support.
Ciryon
...who's up for setting up a tent outside RedHat HQ and waiting for the first 2.5.3 release? ;)
I love LINUX. I hate MICROSOFT. I wish people would stop using MICROSOFT and start using LINUX.
Apart from the entire 'slashdot is not freshmeat'-discussion I'd like to note, that maybe slashdot should not mention the URL to the kernel archive, but only the URL for the mirrors-list. I'm sure everyone able to compile and use a 2.5.x kernel is able to find the correct download directory, should he be confronted with a mirror list.
What the hell is a "bleeding-edge crazy"??? Translation, please...
Yawn.
So the release of a development kernel is headline news?
Updates to the stable tree, major improvements, security fixes, and such....well that I can understand.
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
Congratulations for your promotion of groupthink. I salute you!
"Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
Yeah, I know, it is the market that pushes the drivers side. However, I am going to make a quick statement: I am not a fscking programmer, so don't tell me to go write a driver!
I want to be able to plug in my scanner, my printer, my fscking digital camera and have it work. Period. I am willing to download and install some stuff. I am even willing to compiles _some_ stuff. I'm not going to spend two to three days downloading source(24.6kbaud connection) and compile libs for a week with all of the problems involved. I have a Canon scanner 620p, I have a Toshiba Digital Camera PDR-M60, and an Hp 970cse printer. None of these work, with the exception of the printer, which does not print photo-quality(which is why I payed the outrageous price I did). This is how it is all over. I don't want to use Microsoft products. I can't afford a Mac. So, I TRY to use Linux. But you know what? All I can do is practice networking skills and use the internet! Whopity-friggin doo!
I'll do everything within my power, be it donating money to carrying your kids to soccer practice, if you folks will just start writing drivers!
Why is this being announced here? This is the development kernel series. MANY releases are to come, and I really hope that the announcements stop. These kernels are not intended for end users, and you may end up being the reason some newbie installs the kernel and has his drive fsck it self into oblivion. The 2.5 series is going to last a long time because of the radical changes planned, so really, stop announcing them.
I thought it was cutting edge. As in a blade.
The blood would be from whatever is being cut.
Bloody edge, bleeding victim.
I prefer gory edge.
What about slicing edge - it sounds very sharp to me, and isn't that the point? No pun intended.
Or maybe most of us are at work and are working on (relatively) stable workstations that we can't tinker with. I'm not a kernel hacker myself (I wait until a distro comes out with a new stable kernel and all the trimmings) but I can imagine that kernel traffic probably peaks after business hours.
There's ever-increasing evidence that linux is not an OS, but a virus! They even say so on kernel.org!
A number of people have written us reporting that (...) the Linux kernel tar file contains a virus.
Boy, am I glad I only use Microsoft software!
No security through obscurity: my password is goatse. Stop me before I troll again.
While I am not certain, I see the entries for Davide Libenzi, Ingo Molnar on scheduler improvements. Ingo published a huge scheduler update that looks promising, might be worth checking it out if you have a system under high load that tends to be come poky/etc.
I believe there was some discussion of integrating Ingo's patch with the preemptive patch, should be good for everyone.
A link to his discussion http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#4 on Kernel Traffic.
Vier maal twintig en zeven jaar geleden hebben onze vaderen op dit continent een nieuwe natie voortgebracht, ontvangen in vrijheid en gewijd aan het beginsel dat alle mensen gelijk zijn geschapen.
Nu zijn wij gewikkeld in een grote burgeroorlog, waarin het voortbestaan van die natie, of van welke natie ook die zo is ontvangen en gewijd, op de proef wordt gesteld. Wij zijn hier samengekomen op een groot slagveld van die oorlog. Wij zijn gekomen om een deel van dat veld te wijden als een laatste rustplaats voor hen, die hier hun leven heben gegeven, opdat die natie zou leven. Het is volkomen juist en passend dat wij dit zourden doen.
Maar in een ruimere zin gesproken kunnen wij deze grond niet opdragen - niet wijden - niet heiligen. De dappere mannen, levenden en doden, die hier gestreden hebben, hebben hem gewijd op een wijze die onze armzalige macht om er aan toe of af te doen ver te boven gaat. De wereld zal er weinig op letten en zich ook niet lang herinneren wat wij hier zeggen, maar zij kan nooit vergeten wat zij hier gedaan hebben. Eigenlijk zijn wij het, wij de levenden, die gewijd moeten worden om het werk te voltooien, waarmee zij die hier gevochten hebben door hun edelmoedigheid al zo ver gevorderd waren. Eigenlijk zijn wij het die hier gewijd moeten worden voor de grote taak die nog voor ons ligt - dat wij door deze vereerde doden worden geïnspireerd tot meer en meer toewijding gaven - dat wij hier plechtig besluiten dat deze doden niet tevergeefs gestorven zijn - dat deze natie onder Gods zegen een nieuwe geboorte der vrijheid zal beleven - en dat een regering van het volk, door het volk, voor het volk, niet zal verdwijnen van de aarde.
Are those improvements of the scheduler in pre11 and final the O(1) scheduler and the preemptable kernel patches that everyone has been talking about?
Please read on...
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- Marco
I can get back to writing FOLK patches. I should have a FOLK patch out within a week, covering the usual plethora of unadded patches, unheard-of protocols and unsightly drivers. :)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
... repeatedly mashing your head against the keyboard. You'll produce better code than the contents of the typical tar.gz atrocity that you find on Sourceforge.
"Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
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- Marco
Jakub Jelinek: fix Linux/x86 confusion about arg passing of "save_v86_state" and "do_signal"
Seems somehow appropriate. (the confusion, I mean... :) Anyways, what a bunch of prolific hackers. Some of these guys had changes or patches in nearly every pre version.
The changelog could be a bit more verbose, but otoh, perhaps these kind of descriptions are more thought-inspiring.
All your base are this is slashdot not freshmeat.
i'd really like to try one of al viro's bread-filesystems one day...
-- yes, i know it hurz...
After I installed Kernel 2.4 w/o any hard drive errors for 6 months using Kernel 2.2, I started receiving Bad CRC errors. I decided that the bleeding edge is not for me and I am going to wait a year before upgrading....
Mike Smith
klinkt als een of ander (rechts?) volkslied
"maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there" should read "maybe there's not as many linux users out there". Perhaps they all got sick of linux and moved to the more stable, faster FreeBSD or (gasp) a Microsoft OS.
Have you linux guys even given Windows XP a fair shot? I know at least 4 die-hard linux people that switched from linux as their DESKTOP OS (they still use it on their servers).
Prevent linux based DDOS's!
http://linux.denialofservice.org/
Great. I've been waiting for one of these for a while. I was kind of worried that the 2.4.10 based kernel that was out there was going to be it. Will you be releasing only 2.5.x or will we see some stuff for 2.4 as well?
Rock on.
Honestly..these Linux programmers need to take their time..people don't want to download the new kernal once a week..I mean..release it after you make some serious updates and stop bugging us!
"Fight The Power"
"- Kai Germaschewski: ISDN updates"
hasn't this been figured out already??
who, besides my jackass ex-employer, still uses ISDN??
I'm amazed that Pete Zaitcev continues to update YMF PCI sound driver in the middle of discussion about the source layout of ALSA drivers. Nobody doubts that ALSA will be included, the only question is how.
This story is significant because this kernel is really the first tangible departure from the 2.4 branch. Initial USB 2, a very improved scheduler, and other improvements a changelog would do a better job than I of documenting.
Like it or not, these types of changes are significant. Things like schedulers and IO end up being the reason Big Iron companies choose OSes. If Linux is getting there, I personally want to know. If you don't, hey... just move on.
Which either means the 2.4 drivers are buggy ... or ... the 2.2 drivers aren't reporting your CRC errors.
"How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
MAC OS X.... or do we only think of 'mainstream' OSes here?
I am stuck with my 2.4.16 with the preempt patch.
It is damn' stable and quick so why should I change for a test kernel ?
Trolling using another account since 2005.
And they expect to be taken seriously. Would you want to be running a mission critical app at the most crucial point in your businesses career and be presented with the message "Fucked Dentry"?
Imagine telling that to your CEO. Linux is CLEARLY not ready for grown-up work. But at least it has plenty of pretty clock applets and Windows rip-offs.
"Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
b.
--
"Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
I wish that someone would set up a distro-neutral web site and interview a bunch of device driver writers about which companies publish their specs and which don't. It could grow up to be a certification program where, if a vendor publishes enough specs for people to write GPL drivers, they get to use some kind of logo.
Then as a customer I would buy hardware with that logo. If there are enough customers like me (and it probably doesn't take many), then at least a few vendors would become interested in qualifying for that logo.
Right now the market pressure of open-source customers is inchoate. It's also diluted, because a lot of people just work around the lack of vendor specs and get something to sort of work anyways (such as Lucent winmodems).
gphoto is a step in the right direction. They list the camera vendors that publish specs. When I bought a digital camera, I made sure to buy from one of those vendors.
All kernel releases with ODD
:)
number in the middle part of version are
DEVELOPMENT releases
They Intended to be used by Kernel Developers
and not by general public.
But you know baout it of course
Which either means the 2.4 drivers are buggy ... or ... the 2.2 drivers aren't reporting your CRC errors.
It's (probably) the latter; the 2.4 drivers report CRC errors caused during transmission along the IDE cables. You've (probably) always had the problem, now you know about it and should fix it (hint: start by buying some good quality IDE cables...)
--
I'll do some 2.4.x stuff, too. As many of the patches I use are still 2.4.x-based, this may very well be the more "extensive" version.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Moderators smoke too much crack, these days...
it was an on-topic question on which reason would make one prefer this test kernel to a stable one ?
It seemed that whenever I wanted to compile a module for some new driver, I would also have to recompile the entire kernel, otherwise the two wouldn't interract correctly (yes, I'm being vague. I think I would get messages about symbols, but it's been a while).
So, is there a way to compile a single module to run with a kernel that has already been built?
And what exactly does MODVERSIONS do?
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Should I encounter any problems moving from 2.4.14 to 2.5.2 on a RH 7.2 box?
How is that coming along? From what I recall it was put in 2.4 but it had some goofy bugs. I'd like to use it on our database (Sybase ASE 12.5) and just wondering if they've made any improvements yet.
Thanks,
--
Matt
I will stay running the 2.4 series, but this release seems news to me. I understood that some basic i/o has been rewritten during the 2.5.2-pre cycle, and I guess that 2.5 is now stable enough for new features like inclusion of ALSA and CML2. Does anyone have a link to some 2.5 kernel planning?
But you are absolutely correct in that the scheduler improvements will be more apparent and dramatic on 4 and 8-way machines because of the elimination of the global run queue. Each CPU gets its own run queue and processes will only bounce around when other cpu's are idle. We finally have a scheduler that will work on enterprise class machines.
Just be aware that quite a bit is moving around in 2.5.x, so nothing is guaranteed to stay stable at all in it.
...it will compile this time. I tend to only get lucky every few kernel versions. Or is that all the bloat I try to compile in *grin*
Looks like XFS is still not about to be included in the main development tree, which is too bad since it is a great filesystem. I guess that I am going to have to continue getting my updates from SGI.
:-)
(Getting a kernel via CVS is SOOOO nice)
Don't randomly spout off baseless claims just to sound good. Windows 2000 natively supports the 3c590; I'm running two of them on my cable modem box at home. I got both secondhand; no drivers whatsoever. Win2000 didn't blink at their inclusion; I never even had to see the "detecting new hardware" screen.
Do you have any theories as to what would produce this difference in audio quality (particularly on SB, which is just bog simple -- there really isn't anything that could be different)?
It could just be linear versus logarithmic mixer settings, but that's not a sound quality issue.
If that were the case, you would just need to start turning up the volume at the mixer rather than turning up the pot on your headphone cord or your external speaker amp -- both of which will introduce additional "hiss".
Otherwise, this smacks of "psychosomatic bug" to me.
DNA just wants to be free...
"Amazing.. it's been out over 3 hours and not discussed to death. Well, maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there. But if there are, here's what's new. You can get it at the usual place, but please use the mirrors if you can."
Do you really expect many people to run this kernel? It's unstable as ****, mostly due to the block IO changes.. I think most users would rather not have their drive corrupted because they are running the latest and coolest kernel..
Anyway, no 2.5 for me, until ALSA enters this series of kernels..
xer.xes -- 4181
a little over a year ago, I bought a external CD-RW drive as a backup device -- an HP 8100 (or is is 8200?) series external model. I chose it because it was by HP and USB; I figured that with those two factors, it should be a pretty cross-platform device, so I could get everything off my unstable win2K laptop onto CDs, and when I got a Mac (as I planned at that point, and later did), could use it on the Mac. Google searches found plenty of people who were using it under Linux, and since the laptop at that point dual-booted ...
...
;) I hope that Mandrake 8.2 PPC will work it, too, but since that's not out yet, can't say.
At any rate, my reasoning was bad, and I should have researched more. Did it work under Windows? Yes. The included software I find pretty ugly, but Yes, it works. Does it work under Linux? Yes, when set up by a smart person (not me) who did a bunch of fiddling, but now works great. But the Mac? Nope. The HP site has one of those great non-responsive responses in the FAQ, too. Something like
"Q: Does my 8200e work with the Mac OS?
A: We understand that many people would like to use their 8200e with a computer running the Mac OS. Have a nice day."
Huh? They couldn't have released a driver for a %$#@ external USB drive!? I expected to just pop on the HP site and download a driver, seemed reasonable enough. HP used to be a Mac-friendly company, but now I am wary about buying any HP product. Thanks, guys. Glad it works under Linux
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
make modules_install && depmod -a :no such file or directory
/usr/src/linux-2.5.2/net
cp: asstd nic drivers
etc..
leaving directory
make[2] during _modinst_net
make[1] suck_it : this didn't work stick in your quarter and try it again.
Guys , is this normal?
I love 2.4.17, it works great. I will upgrade sometime in the future, but can anyone give me a good reason to upgrade right now?
I had that happen once too. checked IRC and the BSDeers blamed it on a bad gcc buid which was the same i used on another 2.4 kernel. The bad one for me was 2.4.3 i think, and when 2.4.5 came out I started to use it with no problems to date. Promise Ultra-ATA100 is the card.
:)
Coward
i think the original poster was referring to redhat releasing a dist with an unstable kernel. this being a reference to them releasing an entire version based on an unstable snapshot of gcc.
i really wish people would get off this "jump to conclusions" bandwagon.
-- john
I dunno, I move away from Linux for 2 months and there's a new kernel! :P
Sure, I'll try 2.5.2.. no big deal. After the 2.4 series, I'm strangely no longer afraid of the development tree. (-;
ps.) hint to developers: better VIA chipset support!
So what. Yet another unstable Linux kernel.
When will people learn and just run FreeBSD?
Had that problem with Suse 7.2's 2.4.4 kernel. It seems the first versions of 2.4 were over-sensitive--it's apparently solved in later 2.4 versions (I run 2.2.19)
Lots of people are interested. If you're not, don't read the story. Don't waste your time commenting. Just skip to the next one.
Does it really offend you so much you have to tell everyone?
A troll is not the same thing as an opinion.
great news I allready thought folk was dead since there were no updates for over 3 months
Do not make me laugh, I have macs and PC's and for the consumer XP is a joke. Let's see, had difficulty getting the HP camera to work, scanner no longer works it has the driver but returns an error, the dvd decoder card is now inoperable, and MS XP CD creation feature is severely hobbled and buggy. XP though is relatively stable compared to ME but can easily be taken down by a bad driver or driver error, play with driver settings 9 of 10 times results in a crash. Also what is it with XP and the mess of drivers that must be dealt with, you install them and they do not work it makes no sense. The big XP breakthrough was Library versioning which finally means less of a chance people will screw up their computers. MS products in theory sound good but never really are.