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Palm Releases New Wireless Handheld
Hadlock writes: "Well, palm has finally released their second-generation wireless Palm product. You can check out all of Palm's info at their 701i page, located right here. The Palm comes in a white color, using standard m100/505 design cues, the only real innovation here being the dual-color LED that signals either a wireless signal, or 'You've got mail,' as there are some AOL tie-ins, Instant Messenger being preloaded on the 701i. Palm also releases their mini qwerty keyboard, retailing at $60 USD." AOL isn't the only tie-in: the release here also touts the ability to "create, edit or view" various Microsoft-format documents.
In all the years since VIIx all they have upgraded is the shell. They should have uped the res and made it collor, more ram since email get big with attachment.
The interactive demo is the best way to see what is new with this device.
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
Are they trying to obscure just how wide the coverage really is? There are two zoom levels: the whole country (with only dots representing the metro areas where they have coverage) and each metro area (and the map is zoomed up to a level where you can't see the coverage borders). Sorry, I won't buy this if I can't tell whether I can use it more than 20 miles outside a major city.
To little, to late, and TO EXPENSIVE!
A friend of mine just recently showed me his Compaq iPaq handheld that he loaded debian on, much better. I thought it was way cool. Plus he has this wireless service from Verizon and it's only $25/month for unlimited! Of course it's pcmcia and he needed the pcmcia adapter for his iPaq, but still.. very very cool. And you can get the model he had for about what this thing costs, and it has color.
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The wireless PDA thing has been around for a while in various forms. So where are the applications that are going to make it an imperative for some market segment to invest in the things? Maybe I'm not paying attention, but I can't even think of any *attempts* at killer apps. I mean, AOL IM? I'm going to carry around one of these things so people can message me? I've got a pager and a cell phone that most people find workable.
Where are the apps that wiggle in to some part of everybody's daily life and change it forever? To me, anything that requires me to behave much differently than I do now is probably doomed, as only gadget-heads will play. But something that made sense to soccer moms, and something that they could grow to find indispensible, that'd be the key for this to take off. And that'd be wonderful for the gadget heads, because ubiquity would make a lot more applications viable.
Though, personally, without a color screen and more RAM, I have no reason to pay $500 to upgrade.
Let's see.... with Palm I can get:
+ Less memory (usually 8 or 16 versus 64)
+ fewer applications
+ only one model that has color
Or I can buy an iPaq (like I did) and get 64MB of memory plus 32MB of ROM, a 16-bit color screen that is as big as the standard Palm screen PLUS their little writing area (which I can emulate for input if I don't wanna use the excellent handwriting recognition.)
Decisions, decisions...
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This is alll very nice, however, the hardware in the Pakm is still very inferiror to pocket pc and they do not have as capable sofware. I appears that MS is trying to pull a "IE" here destroy an established dominant product. I dont know how long palm can hold out on just a library of software alone. In order to survive, Palm MUST do something about both the OS and the hardware capabilities.
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I have that right now with my Zaurus (built in keyboard) and Kinkatta (aim application).
For anyone that was at ces and saw me, I was walking around chatting with folks back in Boston about what I was seeing (confirming that Royal's new pda was nothing more then a plastic prototype)
Best part about the Zaurus for me is that it is based on open source and I can add anything new that I want (as I did with Kinkatta).
I wonder if palm came out with it's keyboard just because of the pressure from the Zaurus?
Also where would you put the keyboard thingy if you wanted to keep you Palm in any sort of case?
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What is so "Next Generation" about the i705? Is it the standard(non-compelling) 8MB of memory, or the "Sir-Computes-A-Lot" 33mhz processor that's supposed to be a significant jump over previous versions?
It's a sad state of affairs when the most desirable Palm platform handhelds are made by Sony and Handspring. This latest Palm doesn't do much for me. I don't want to subscribe to some overpriced service to get connectivity. The display is still the same resolution (160x160) that it was years ago while the Sony Clies have four times as many pixels (320x320). This device offers no more memory than my $150 Palm M105 and only half of what modern Handspring Visors have. It's not the sleek, ultra-thin design that Sony has for their Clie line.
As much as I like Palm handhelds, I really think that the end is near for them. Their products are no longer innovative, market leaders. Instead, they just rerelease the same features in new cases.
I myself consider a keyboard an essential part of a computer - which is why I haven't even considered buying a Palm until now. Given that many of their predecessors with miniature keyboards have not sold well (remember the Jornada? It's no longer offered), I hope that Palm has actually produced a useable keyboard. If so, I think this will be a breakthrough - not because of the computing power of the Palm itself, but because it will be perceived as more than just an executive toy. I, for one, would welcome a fully functional computer which I can carry anywhere.
Sorry Timothy the created edit msoffice docs is not a tie in with M$. This functionality is provided by a 3rd party application. Sony also bundles it with their Clie products. I forget the name of it right now though.
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Shame, really: that's another independent manufacturer down the drain...
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That's a bit disappointing. Handspring's Visor Pro has 16MB. It kinda bumped up the standard (at least in my mind). I'm surprised Palm didn't spring for the extra 8. The thing's already $449, you'd think that they wouldn't mind kicking the price up a bit more for such an important feature.
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"You've got mail" and Instant Messaging!? Great, now people can annoy you no matter where you are.
who really cares about document editing abilities on a handheld anyway? I'd rather shoot myself than try to edit a word document on my handheld. Might as well use a rock and chisel.
Also, $40 dollars for the exectutive plan still seems a little expensive...
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The MS Document stuff is not a "tie in" with Microsoft as seems to be implied here - it's provided by 3rd party software, Documents to Go.
This is the Palm that they were afraid to release before Xmas? Whoopdee-doo. The one thing it has going for it is a fairly compact form factor relative to other wireless PDA's. But other than that, it's pretty underwhelming and at an expensive price. I'd at least expect to see color for the price.
I mean, to compare it to other wireless platforms, I really don't think it stacks up too well. A Palm Vx/Omnisky (or Go America) unit is less expensive and not much larger (with detachable wireless modem), an iPaq with an expansion sleeve is far more versatile, capable and way faster, and a Blackberry is smaller and easier to use as an e-mail device (the larger x57 has web capabilities similar to Palm's) - they only lack a touch screen. And the big deal is, I guess, that this comes in white?
I had been using Palm devices since the old Pilot 5000 (it replaced a MessagePad), with a Palm III and a Vx in my collection over time. My wife has an M100 - it's a nice, cheap, reasonably rugged PDA for what it is. I've been an adherent to the "simpler is better" school of PDA usage. But a couple of months ago I bought an iPaq 3765, and I started using my Palm less and less. In fact, my Vx hasn't left the cradle in over a month now. The iPaq isn't that much bigger, and I can (and do) use it with an 802.11b card to take advantage of my homenet. Windows CE is klunky, but the 2002 version doesn't suck nearly as bad as my old (free, elsewise I'd never have owned it) HP Jornada did, and I can use it with my Mac now thanks to some slick third-party software. As the Linux distro (Familiar) for the iPaq matures, I'll probably switch to it eventually.
Looking at the new Palm, they just plain seem to have missed the boat. Hopefully the new generation of Palm devices after this one will catch up with the rest of the world, and soon. Palm pretty much invented the modern PDA market, and it's a shame to see them shooting themselves in the foot like this.
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They were blathering about this on a couple of the shows since the middle of last week.
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*cough* It's a java applet... VERY nicely done (go check out www.kaon.com for more). They say right on the page "no plugin required". This is an excellent example of what java is capable of. I wish It more places
I was referring to the 3D Model... any way.. it's still cool! =)
How many people have already received the Myparty virus this morning? My mailbox was swamped...when will people ever learn not to double-click on the attachments??? Or not to use M$ operating systems?
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Now don't get me wrong... I love my HANDSPRING because it allows me to TELNET (that's right, TELNET) from my cellphone. to my remote servers and do admin chores and read email while I'm on vacation, or hiking around the Island.
But I don't need a billion flavors... and the market is glutted with knockoffs... and these devices SHOULD be about $99, not hundreds.
Maybe it will be more interesting if PALM integrates *B-OS* with it, and makes a true *POWERFUL* wearable.
This PALM device seems to be little more than a pacifier for the shareholders.
Too little... too late... to expensive!
Someone wake me when those lazy scientists finally stop slacking and invent what I really want: A tiny computer I can just wedge into my skin!
I'd also like to use my hand as a telephone, so keep that in mind too, scientists.
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Why is it everyone seems to try and compare the palm devices with the iPaq... it's apple's and pears here...
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The way i see it you purchase such a device because you need it's functionality. The palm can go WAY longer without recharging its battery while the iPaq needs to be recharged almost every day. The company for which i work has 2 standards on PDA. iPaq's for those that only need it for coolness factor (i.e. the management... ) and palm devices for those on the actual workfloor... the reason is very simple... the managment almost always leave the damn thing docked most of the day (excpet during meetings because they need to show of the damn things) while the people on the workfloor need to be able to rely on it's durability..
Off course.. an iPaq running linux would be cool enough to forget the low battery life..
So it will have some AOL tie-ins. That put me off. However, if they start sending these thro' the post instead of all those coasters they might even get my (trial) custom
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This i701 device looks like a great evolutionary step forward for Palm. The service options seem a bit overpriced but the device's form factor is about right. The older Palm VII was too large to lug around; might as well had taken the laptop.
A few other postings have comments on how much better the iPaq or some other Windows-based system is. I have the opportunity of getting my hands on both types of devices for *free* (as in beer) through the work I do and the Palm product still seems quite superior. Colour, the ability to playback MP3 files, and other bells and whistles make the Windows Pocket PCs much bulkier. Palm is still undisputably the vendor with the smallest form factor (Clié included). If I wear a suit, I can literally slip a Palm V/Vx/m50x in my shirt pocket without it bulking up. If I travel I can take the whole set up, including a modem and the portable keyboard, in a very small bag (sometimes I don't even take my laptop). Pocket PC devices are still bulkier and look like toys. Palms have a certain "business appearance" that appeals to business people. Walk into a company's board room with a Palm and nobody will raise an eyebrow. Do the same with a Pocket PC and you're looked at like you're a Martian.
One of the best features in this new Palm i701 seems to be the antenna. Remember that PDAs are about unobtrusiveness; the i701 addresses this fairly well. A colour screen would've been nice, but that would have a severe impact on the battery usage. I prefer longer air time and/or device battery life over pretty pictures. Besides, what graphical application demands a *small screen*?
A killer app that leverages the i701's form factor and Internet connectivity would be great. Think, think, think...
The Palm platform's software stability is significantly better than Windows CE's/Pocket PC. Development of Palm applications is much simpler than development for WinCE. In terms of usability, use both devices for a week and see which one you'll carry everywhere.
Remember that Palm devices are very good at being PDAs. Pocket PCs are very good at trying to pack the power of a PC in a small footprint. Like everything else, use the best tool for the job at hand.
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I want a palm with 802.11b on it. Dont give me no overpriced cellular based internet that doesnt work 1/2 the time or in 1/3 the country (and not at all where I live) Most of us would rather have it 802.11b so we can be connected in the office and home, the places where we would use it 90% of the time.
but alas, that is a useful idea and will never become a reality on any palm device.
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Of course, I realise this is from a european perspective, but apart from some module for the Visor, I haven't seen any GPRS support for PalmOS terminals. GPRS would be ideal for this kind of terminal!
Maybe an IPAQ with a GPRS pccard would cover that market, but IIRC that's a heavy load to carry around!
On a slightly different note, I'm looking for a replacement of my broken palmIII. I don't want to spend too much money on a device that won't be doing much more than note-taking and address-keeping (and encrypted password keeping!!!). So far, the only candidate that was affordable and sufficient was the Palm V(x), but that's no longer available in Europe (or even the US I believe). The others are too simple, clucky or expensive.
An IPAQ with linux on it would be interesting, but then that would have to support and synchronise with my Linux desktop for the applications I mentioned above, is that currently an option?
/Simon
this is bigger than the Handspring Treo line, does not support GSM, with that attitude I see Palm losing it's whole European market to Windows PocketPCs. Pity.
I reactivated my palm 7 to play around with it...9600 baud IS like pulling teeth, without a bullet or whiskey. I note the conspicuous absence of any DETAILS of the wireless capabilities of this device...I suspect it too uses the same connectivity.
So, at the office, I've got CF 802.11b for the ipaq (LOVE IT) and I've got a nokia 8290 to infrared connect it in the field (but, alas, also at 9600 baud.)
And this thing is B&W? Nothing to see here, move on.
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There really hasn't been that much innovation in the Palm line since it was introduced. The form factors have changed, the devices are smaller, the screens are better, but the OS and software are nearly identical to the Palm Pro that I was using 3 or more years ago.
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The wireless cabilities are great but this capability has been available for a while with Minstrel modems, etc. This is just a more compact form factor.
What has Palm done that is really innovative over the past 3 years? Microsoft has improved their products 300% and will continue to do so until they beat Palm into submission. What is Palm doing to compete with Microsoft? It seems that their marketshare is eroding. A few people will use this product instead of buying another Palm and a CDPD modem but I don't see this helping to gain any marketshare.
This is the same old story. I don't like MS dominating everything but this looks like another case where the leader in the market is going to sit on their laurels and let MS overtake them. Bill Gates will continue to introduce new features into the PocketPC platform and incrementally improve it at a steady pace until he overtakes Palm.
Here are just a few things that MS has added that I don't think that Palm has ansererd:
- VPN support
- 802.11 support
- Poket IE is still pretty good
- App development in VB, much easier to pick up than C++ for Palm. (You can do this with some 3rd party tools for Palm but of course MS give it away)
- Mobile device support in
This is not to tout MS software, just to point out that I think that Palm is letting themselves fall behind. Not a wise move with MS on your tail.
I have a Palm V.
Yes, only 2Mb of memory. I wish it had more. However, the thing I *love* about it is it's size. It really is *very* small. I think the only smaller comparable PDA you can get is one of the Sony palmOS-based jobs.
Although I think it would be neat to upgrade to a device with a better screen, memory and processing power, all the PocketPC models seem rather bulky compared to my old Palm V. And I'm not prepared to go backwards on the size department. It needs to fit comfortably in my back pocket, and that means < 1cm thick.
That is THE killer app!
http://www.windmeadow.com/
It appears that Palm designed the new PDA to match Apple's line of hardware.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
We would be better off with a Palm Pilot with built in 802.11b support! I don't need wireless
services from another vendor!
Some time ago it was announced that Palm will (dramaticaly) upgrade its hardware (and software) to use ARM. That's what every Palm fan should be waiting for. Any news about that?
How anybody could launch a mobile data service, not use GPRS and *still* keep a straight face is a little beyond me.
"260 U.S. metropolitan areas". They say it so proudly, as if they don't realise how pathetic that sounds. Palm is dead.
the obvious solution would be to release a Full BeOS compatible PPC handheld with 64M.
They loose LOT of time with PalmOS5. But since when company runned by old folk that know nothing about technology can see the "obvious".
M$ don't exist, they are not a company. "They are" Bill Gates. Gates see the obvious and make it happen.
PocketPC is too much. If I'd wanted a notebook computer, I'd get one.
Palm is stagnating. Even in their own "keep it simple" philosophy, they are not meeting their own standards.
Apple has become a very solutions-centric prodcut developer in the last 2 years and THAT is what it takes to make an excellent PDA!
I swear by MacOS X. Although I use to swear *at* MacOS 9...
I would buy this if:
1. It was around $350.00
2. Had color
3. 16 MB RAM
4. Scraped the 9.99 wireless setup fee. What the heck, lets charge them an extra 10 bucks on top of the 449.00! What is up with that.
5. Unlimited service for 20 / month. First six months is inlcuded in the 350.00
I mean, AOL IM? I'm going to carry around one of these things so people can message me?
I wouldn't want it for that either. But perhaps Palm wants to sell this to college students. Or even high school students! If they can spend $300 for tennis shoes, they could be persuaded to buy (or beg their parents for) a Palm like this. "But Mom, I need it for school!"
Yes, portable messaging is also available via pagers and similar gadgets. What's different here (from the student's viewpoint) is a reason that might persuade the parents to pay for it.
Sorry but it just costs too much. Besides wireless my Palm IIIxe is exactly the same. If I'm going to spend over $400 on a pda I'm gong win ce and getting a real browser and real office editing apps.
Also 8MB????? How about 16MB to start.
Really palm is about 2 years behind the curve. This fails to impress me even in the slightest.
Let me know when Palm has half the funtionality of a PDA running pocket PC 2002.
I'm contstantly amazed by the less than informed slashdot crowd. Mod me down if you want, but what I say here is true. You're sitting here comparing it to other devices with LESS functionality. I could care less if this item has no colour screen or less memory than an IPAQ, it has built in wireless networking with a reasonable cost for the service. Those of us in the real world (read Business not school) see this product EXACTLY for what it is: A more functional Blackberry. Many of us in the business world use the Blackberry's from RIM to stay in touch with our email at work. Palm has now pushed this idea even further by putting that same technology in a Palm device. While many of you see limitations, those of us already limited by our Blackberry's see nothing but opportunity. I can now get my email, surf the net, get instant messages AND run all those other neat little apps I already run on my existing PDA and do so all in one device.
Slam it if you want, but don't be surprised when these devices begin to push RIM out of their dominance in the mobile email market. I'm already putting together a purchase request for one of these to replace my Blackberry.
you want 802.11 in a reliable device than get the Handera 330 + 802.11 CF card.
nothing new here if you'd just look around.
LoB
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The service plan I have on my VIIx gives me 150kb for $24.95/month. The new pricing gives me a choice of downgrading to 100kb for $20, (20% reduction in price for a 33% reduction in service), or upgrading to unlimited for $39. The old unlimited plan was $45. $39 is still more than I want to spend for this service, especially with the limited function on my VIIx, but I'm stuck for another few months to qualify for the rebate I got when I bought the thing last year.
Sigh. I think I'll just wait till my year is up, and get a Visor Prism, like I wanted in the first place. I don't see much benefit to the i705 over my VIIx that I can't get with a wireless modem in a Visor, especially since the palm.net coverage is pretty spotty (or nonexistent) where I live.
I made the big mistake when I bought my Palm IIIc to register it. Now I get so much spam from Palm, it's not even funny. Tried unsubscribe page, but it doesn't work. Tech Support said use unsubscribe page.
Palm was a company that used to "get it." Now they're no better than M$...
The Compaq iPaq's had 802.11b for months, and it's REALLY cool (anybody ever been to a Wagamama restaurant?).
If this were easy, they wouldn't need us to do it!
On the Palm vs. MS issue: My understanding is that these really are two different devices. Not that they aren't trying to attract the same customer base, but Palm is trying to be a true PDA (emphasis on "assistant") whereas MS is creating a small PC with all the bells and whistles (bloat, anyone?). For my money, I'll take the Palm approach.
While I'm a bit disappointed myself at the new release's lack of major innovation (I was really hoping for a built-in cell phone), Palm is moving forward while MS isn't. Palm OS is evolving toward information appliances: targeted devices whose UI reflects a context-appropriate set of tasks. This helps overcome one of the problems with monolithic PCs of any size: The overhead required to _start_ doing what you want to do. Most of the tools we interact with don't have this problem.
Build too many bells and whistles into a handheld device and it's just a laptop with limited screen space. Handhelds' interfaces need to reflect the fact that they get used on the go. What I've seen and heard of the MS devices (which is admittedly a fairly small sample size) suggests that they're not pursuing that goal the same way Palm is. And many of what I hear touted as MS-only features are available in some Palm OS configuration anyway.
I have been consistantly impressed with my Palm VIIx during the past year of use. The battery life is quite long, around three weeks, service plan inexpensive, averaging $15 per month, and coverage excellent.
What the i705 offers are evolutionary features that sand down imperfections in an otherwise excellent device. There is no need to use an obtrusive, yet fragile, antenna to connect to the network. The device vibrates instead of that annoying beep. The email is "always on" so it is not necessary to pull the device out to check mail every two seconds. The device has USB. I probably wil not replace my existing Palm, but only because I lack USB and the new email features are not really supported on the Mac. Otherwise, this device is everything I could ask for in a wireless handheld, aside from global megabit connectivity, of course.
The killer application is anywhere access to email. This service is most valuable in places where I could use a laptop, but for whatever reason it is inconvenient or expensive. In an airport, it is possible to find a payphone with a telephone jack, play with a phone card and eventually check messages, if you do not miss a flight. I would prefer to pick up a refreshing beverage and read my messages in the departure lounge without the additional stress. Likewise, although I am more than capable of configuring my laptop to use a hotel phone system, with local charges of 75 cents per call it is cost prohibitive to check my email every fifteen minutes.
Other features will be useful, especially instant messanger. Perhaps the best, yet least heralded, feature is airline flight information. The device has already paid for itself in terms of flights I have caught when the airport screens no longer display the gate. Using PQAs from most major airlines, you can figure out gate information even when it is not displayed on screen.
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This product is doomed to failure, much like the wonderful VIIx (which I purchased when Palm was unloading them to developers at just over US$100), and doesn't deserve to be.
/. page view, and that's it. I think Palm could completely dominate mobile handheld e-everything, except that they are asking way too much for the service. Halve the cost and I'll sign up tomorrow, and I'll bet that I'm not the only one who would do so. But $40/mo is preying on executives' big expense budgets, not the average consumer who would snap stuff up like this in an instant. All Palm needs to do is retarget their .Net, especially in light of the changing business economy, reduce the price for the service, and I think you'll see Palm finally succeed.
The problem is that Palm.Net is asking $40/month for unlimited wireless access. The non-unlimited rate and data transfer allotment basically get you one
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The hope for Palm to survive as a viable platform seems to diminish day by day. There is no evidence of ongoing innovation from this company. What did they DO all this time? Who killed their R&D department? On what did they squander their once-decisive market lead? Did it take that much engineering effort to release the lifestyle celebrity branded palms, the slightly differently colored cases and the dinky proprietary memory cards?
I am on my 3rd Palm now - a worn and dented IIIc, and it looks like it will be the last. I just don't think I'll see any viable upgrade path from this corporation. Will I have to make the switch to the evil Empire's devices? Those Ipaq's sure look a lot more like what the futurists would have me believe I should be expecting from handheld devices. I mean, slick and silver, color, high resolution, audio and video enabled. Palm's devices still look like mid 1990s tech, complete with chunky lo-fi 160x160 pixel displays which are FINE for embedded use in cellphones and what have you, but please PLEASE I want some contemporary technology!
Palm keeps disappointing. Not a sliver of innovation is evident in this device. It would have been of modest interest if it had come out some three years ago. The service price structure seems completely out of whack with reality. I receive 100 k worth of spam email HEADERS alone in a few days. And why doesn't it have 802.11b instead anyway? That's all the wireless connectivity I need and want. And a higher resolution screen? 240x320 or even just 240x240x15bit is fine(So I can make some slightly more serious GPS field mapping apps that don't look like Vic 20 games), 16 megs default memory, and a flash card reader for mp3s, and a stereo sound system and a headphone jack? Gimme all that and call it PalmX and I'd put in five hunnert bucks easy.
Whee! Another device that the color-blind to be pissed at. Invariably, they always use red/green. If manufacturers wanted to make things useful, they'd set things up to use blue/red, blue/green, or something a little easier for people with this problem.
So no ipaq for me. But as others have said: use the right tool for the job. As for this Palm, I suspect that most buyers will stick with the $100 models, since palm is really good at being a PDA, and less good at expanding into pocketPC like applications.
sulli
RTFJ.
Memory is so cheap these days, that would raise the price to what? $449.95?
sulli
RTFJ.
As Palm says here:
"Email is end-to-end secured in triple des. base 64 encryption."
I assume "triple des." means "triple DES," which is fine, but who at Palm believes that base-64 encoding is a form of encryption?
Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!
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moderators! this is not a troll.. mod this up
[brag]i don't know if i'll get modded into oblivion for this, but i've been on slashdot for i think 4 years now, and that's my first story i've submitted to make it on the main page (!!!).[/brag]
/., and they're not likely to abuse the system, but shouldn't you not be able to mod in your own submitted story? i mean, you can't post in a story you already moderated....i would assume this falls along the same lines. any thoughts?
in other news, i have moderator points (still)....now i understand that someone with mod points is obviously doing a pretty decent job of posting/visiting
moox. for a new generation.
first off, i would like to say FUCK BI-COLOR LEDs. I'm colorblind and there's no good way to tell what color they are. At home, i have a relatively new sony monitor with a bicolor LED, and the only real change i can see is the intensity. At school i have a old-ass sony monitor with two LEDs side by side, so i know exactly what it's trying to indicate. (This would be more useful if w2k could correctly put the monitor to sleep when im not using it.) But anyways, how friggin hard would it be for palm to put a green LED and a red one right next to each other? Geeze.
And another thing: did anyone else click on "3D Model (doesnt require plugin)" and get a box that said "click here to get plugin"?
ok, enough ranting for now...
I've got:
With Palm's device, I can't have voice capabilities, the memory is the same, and it's MUCH more expensive.
My $.02
when will you stupid americans realise that the correct spelling is COLOUR
by using COLOR you only make yourselves look stupider than you already are
It's a desert topping and a floor wax!
Clie PEG-S320 ($199 )
+ Nokia 3360 ($200)
+ $20/month ISP
+ ~$35/month Cellphone contract
+ ~$0.35/min data call fee(voicestream & cingular)
+ Cost of having to make extra calls to check for email becasue of no notification.
+ Cost of having to download full web pages since colutions like Blazer don't use a proxy to reduce data size the way that web clipping does.
+ Cost of having to wait 45 seconds (the avg time for PPP negotation over a GSM link) every time you want to do data
+ Cost of looking stupid trying to hold the IR port of your phone in line with the IR port of your PDA.
Total cost? Who knows. But I know that I don't usually use telnet on my pda, and most pda users dont even know what telnet is. Most people want good email access, and the ability to check a few key websites (remeber that the top 10 websites now account for something like 80% of peoples online time). The i705 gives me both thoose things in a single easy package.
My first Palm Pilot Pro had a 160x160 grayscale screen and 1meg of memory. Who would have THUNK that 7 years later, Palm's newest handheld still has a grayscale screen [albeit, more shades of wonderful gray] and same screen size.
Im not WinCE fan, but those color screens are enough to entice anyway to buy one. With all the money Palm raised from it's IPO and all the time it had to develop their newest wireless handheld, you would have thought that it would have definately been color with an increased screen size.
I own a Palm VII now and see no reason to upgrade, especially when the Treo is coming down the line and hopefully a Sony wireless PDA.
Live web cams
For me this device is perfect, since what I really want is the possibility to receive and send email while on the move. I can live with the device not being perfect in every respect; no arm processor, no color screen, low resolution. (And btw, who needs bluetooth when you connect to the network directly?).
But for me the i705 isn't perfect, since I live in Europe (Germany to be exact), and I need a GPRS capable device, not some US specific pager like network. When will they release such a device?
(Don't point me to the Treo, I don't want another phone..)
Which hardware would they be modeling after? There were pics of this thing published last summer on cnet, so I wouldn't say the ipod.
Check it out here.
I wouldn't be surprised though, Palm and Apple are friendly - both stand by the Motorola 68k (sometimes for seemingly cultural reasons) and both follow a bare essentials only, highly usable philosophy of application development.
excess bulk or weight.
I can imagine carrying one of these new wireless palms with me almost everywhere.
an iPaq, especially with wireless features is heavy and bulky. I know for a fact I would frequntly choose to leave it behind.
I agree that this newest release from Palm leaves something to be desired, but still I find most of the compairisons to WinCE devices to be complete bunk.
WinCE devices are big fat heavy monsters, especially an iPaq with a wireless adapter. So what if it has more memory, a larger screen, or a real TCP/IP connection. None of that really matters to me if it is sitting on my dresser, or on my desk because it is too bulky to carry.
This Palm thing is only a little bigger/heavier than a PalmV. I carry my PalmV pretty much everywhere.
Sure, I would love it if the CPU was faster, if there was more memory, if the screen were higher resolution, but I think the portability is still compelling.
Oh, the "enterprise" buyers those fancy consultants always talk about whenever they're discussing something that's wildly overpriced.
As for me, I'll stick with my Palm V, and my cellphone for paging. Why pay more?
sulli
RTFJ.
They would have modeled it after the iBook. Apple may have told them that the iBook was the future of Apple design.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
okay, so apple, being one of two most profitable pc companies of the dot-bomb era, should call you for business advice?
"Email is end-to-end secured in triple des. base 64 encryption."
Hmm. Both tripple "des", and base 64 on one "top notch security" product.
Thank god it's nothing like 64bit Tripple DES.