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Mozilla 0.9.9 Released
OSSMKitty writes: "Mozilla.org has released the next version of Mozilla, version 0.9.9. Highlights include MathML enabled by default on Unix and Win32, and TrueType font support on Unix. Read the release notes and then download a binary to test on your platform."
Will 1.0 ever be out, or are we waiting for 0.9.9.1 now?
It's still the best OSS browser out there, though...
When encryption is outlawed, ?o'AZ-,++o+i++##4AoA+-/-C++bI+/.+~
I commented on Mozilla's cross platform performance during the .9.6 release, and I must say, thought still noticeably slower in linux than windows - the linux performance has improved substantialy. Mozilla has been my standard browsers on my win32 platforms and it's startup time has improved enough in linux to really be useable.
/me raises beer to the mozilla linux guys.
On another note, anyone feel that that "turbo mode" should be kept in the windows builds only? This might sound silly, but I expect every program to jam itself in my window system tray, but for some reason, I don't want it anywhere near my linux box, it's Just Not Right(tm).
On Linux, I switched from Netscape to Mozilla around M18, I think, and quite frankly although it's taken forever to get there it's now just about the best browser around (for me anyway).
At work the desktops are all NT4, but I use Mozilla there as well, rather than IE. Why?
- Tabs. Can't live without them, and on Windows it means that your taskbar isn't cluttered with 10,000 unidentifiable icons.
- Keyboard operation. Open a new tab (Ctrl-T), type your URL, switch back to what you were reading (Ctrl-PageUp) and wait for the new tab to stop spinning. Switch back (Ctrl-PageDown), read it and close it (Ctrl-W). I know you can control IE with the keyboard as well, but to switch windows you have to use Ctrl-Tab, which is an incredible pain if you've got a bunch of windows open.
- Speed. It's damn quick.
I just wish they'd build for more platforms... anybody got an Alpha build that doesn't need glibc2.2?
I've been using as my "daily driver" exclusively since 0.9.2, and each new build is better.
It's even at the point where I recommend it to the non-tech savvy crowd...
Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?
www.fogbound.net
Getting Mozilla news from Mozillaquest is like getting kernel development news from ZDNet - it just shouldn't exist.
There's not only that, but Newsforge has reported that the new 8.0 version of AOL will use Gecko (the rendering engine in Mozilla) rather than IE!
W
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
guess what, next, there will be own xserver inside mozilla, so you won't need X to run it! mozilla, the queen of bloat. ;-)
Highlights include MathML enabled by default on Unix and Win32
Why only those two?
(I'm a Mac user, and just wondering why I get left out.)
--saint
No.
Even worse, adding support is going to be a bitch because, to quote from the Mozilla MathML Project page
Mozilla does not yet support the mixture of XML and HTML within the same document. Thus a fragment inside a HTML document is not rendered in Mozilla. [1]
In other words, the doc (and therefore the whole site, practically speaking) has to be in XML/XHTML to be able to use MathML with Mozilla. We've seen time and time again that Slashdot (and to a lesser extent K5) is not even really HTML compliant, what are the chances of meeting the higher standards of XML validity?
Slim to none.
So thanks for the attempt, but until the slow among us start being good netizens then it is too little, too late.
[1]Yeah, I know it says "not yet" but
I switched to mozilla on windows as soon as they added tabbed browsing. it is the ultimate addition to web browsing. just so much simpler to manage then the old way of having 800 windows up. and no its not just for porn sites :) I've really been impressed with the latest iterations of mozilla on both win and linux. i stopped using galeon a while back and now i even use mozilla-mail. i never expected to be such a mozilla fan but I really am impressed with what they've done. my congrats to the team on doing so much for so very little.
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Configure your middle mouse button to open links in a tab in the background. Click on any interesting links, such as /. stories, while you're scanning a page; when you're done with the first page, they're all loaded and you never lost focus from what you were reading. Well, unless you have a jealous cat...
And yes, Mozilla rocks my 'fro.
I can hardly wait until a release of Mozilla that fixed the annoying behavior of Mozilla's mail and news system - you cannot select a message without displaying it, thus you cannot forward a spam onto Spamcop without Mozilla starting to render it (and fetching any webbugs in it).
They supposedly have a patch to fix this, but I don't see that bug fix listed in the release notes for 0.9.9
www.eFax.com are spammers
The MacOSX build is great, there is one strange thing however. I have a nightly from the 8th that displays msnbc.com just fine, however nothing before or after that nightly will display it correctly.
Additionally the startup speed still lags by about 5 to 10 seconds behind IE 5.1 on MacOSX. This is largely a non-issue since I usually start it up once during the day and it runs all day long.
Now if only I could get a version without all the crap. I just want a browser, not a PIM and mail client.
Not sure if it's related, but read the release notes. There is mention of workarounds to some proxy problems.
This mozilla release (as mentioned in the release notes), has a fix for the zlib vulnerability, just a few hours after the vulnerability was discovered!
Unfortunately, there are still 133 bugs targeted for 0.9.9 still open. One of these is mine, and I am not happy that it's still open, but that's the way things go. People demand a new release.
Alas, there are 891 bugs targeted for 1.0, plus the 133 0.9.9, plus bugs that are yet to be reported that need to be fixed for 1.0. Now, I am starting to sound like that MozillaQuest retard, but I really doubt that even 1/4 of these will get fixed before 1.0.
...and I hope they are (as I download my copy over my slow-ass 56k connection)...
1. Forms. Entering text in a TEXTAREA has been continually troublesome, release after release. Sometimes you'll hit the space bar, but the cursor won't move until you type a letter. Sometimes you get this insipid "jumping text", as the scrollbar on the righthand side continually decides to draw and redraw each time there is a keystroke. From a user's perspective, this is a terrible oversight
2. Printing has, at least on linux, been a sorry state of affairs, for a long time, up through 0.9.8. I have deep worries that 1.0 is going to get released without fully functioning print capability, and that just seems asanine.
OTHER THAN THAT --
I've been extremely happy with Moz, and have been using it in a near exclusive manner (FSCK YOU, CapitalOne.com) for many releases now.
Although it may be a bit premature, here's a hearty congrats to the Mozilla team. Looking forward to 1.0
Exactly. If you want real news about the development of mozilla, check out Mozillazine
They keep you up to date on the status of nightly builds, rate them for you, and even have a build-bar talkback area so you can chime in on what works/doesn't work. It's the first place I go before I download a nightly.
No thanks. I don't smoke anymore.
They are indeed working towards 1.0 RCs. No more point releases. See the roadmap.
When you start typing in the URL bar, wouldn't it be handy if the result-list was sorted by most-frequently-accessed, or most-recently-accessed? Well, that has been proposed (bug 78270).
However, it's also marked Priority P4 and Future :(. But, you can vote for the bug to show your support (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote).
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
I've been waiting for this for quite a while and now it finally looks like it's here. Yes! Read the changelog it's not truetype font support but anti-aliased fonts.
According to the road map, Mozilla 1.0 will be out March 27th. Only 16 more days. Of course, according to the roadmap, 0.9.9 was supposed to be out a month ago.
Unlike most people actually working on this project and other Mozilla-based projects, you don't know how to read the roadmap. Those aren't even the branch dates. Those are the freeze dates when the tree is closed to all but approved checkins. A week or so after the freeze is the branch for that Milestone. But, guess what, that's still not the release date. That's the date that the development for that relase goes onto a branch and there is parallel development for the release branch and the development trunk. During that time the branch takes strictly monitored fixes and at some point on the branch (for most milestones it's a week or so) the release tag is made and binaries are served up to the testing community. All of this becomes a little more obvious if you read the roadmap in addition to looking at the pretty picture (even just looking at the picture and reading the key would help a lot)
--Asa
So I'm taking the plunge and trying to download it. Of course, the ftp site is slashdotted.
I guess you could say that the distribution network of mozilla hasn't reached that 1.0 milestone either yet.
I hope the distribution capacity catches up with the code sooner rather than later.
evanchik.net
Ok, every here should know by now that MQ is just one huge troll. The only good I can see could come from this would be to slashdot the server...
If you aren't familiar with MQ, go ahead and visit the site. Just be warned: treat it as a troll, and don't take his word for anything.
So anyway, linking to him is just going to expose the unsuspecting to the MQ misinformation. Don't do it.
Mozilla
Newsforge has reported that the new 8.0 version of AOL will use Gecko (the rendering engine in Mozilla) rather than IE!
It did no such thing. Here is the passage to which I think you refer:
Emphasis mine. For those playing at home, you may want to note two things:
Please don't fan the flames of speculation any higher. I would suggest taking a conservative approach to "news" pieces such as these in the future. Then again, why should you listen to me?
I just fired up this new release, and I must say I'm impressed. Every one of the recent releases has sped things up by around 50% (just my own visual approximation) in the interface. There used to be perceptible delays in switching sidebar tabs, opening new browser tabs, etc. which have now been eliminated. Kudos to the Mozilla team! Now all I have to do is get that TrueType font rendering working. ;)
Mozilla's a nice operating system, but it needs a better browser.
I'm a whiz in calculus, and even I can't tell if this infinite series converges to 1.
For mozilla news, I generally read Mozillazine, the major mozilla news site, as well as Mozillanews, a somewhat more community-driven site. For downloads, try XULPlanet, which has a good collection of themes and a good tutorial, and Mozdev (I usually follow projects like Optimoz- gestures- and Googlebar, a mozilla Google Toolbar. Most community development projects wind up here.) Mozillaquest is reserved for cheap laughs, though they have a few article templates to choose from....
It did no such thing.
Yes it did!
Here is the passage to which I think you refer:
"The Gecko rendering engine at the heart of the Mozilla Web browser is scheduled to replace Microsoft's Internet Explorer as AOL's default browser [...] in the 8.0 version of AOL's client software."
There you go...
Emphasis mine. For those playing at home, you may want to note two things:
1. "scheduled" != "will"
"scheduled" pretty much == "will"
2. this is not an official announcement from AOL
This is true, however it does quote several AOL engineers. I never claimed that this was an official report from AOL. I said (for those of you following at home) that " Newsforge has reported"...which it has.
Please don't fan the flames of speculation any higher. I would suggest taking a conservative approach to "news" pieces such as these in the future. Then again, why should you listen to me?
You are right that this has not yet been confirmed by AOL in a press release, however I linked to the story and only made a statement about what Newsforge was reporting-- and I stand by that. I think "is scheduled to use" is close enough to "will use" for the purposes of my post, much as "Mozilla 1.0 will be released soon" and "Mozilla 1.0 is scheduled to be released soon" are taken by normal readers to be equivalent. By "will" I mean "is scheduled to" and if there's any confusion you can read the article. I did, after all provide the link.
If you're worried about "blowing" the deal by spreading the news, that's another concern, but unless I read something to the contrary, I presume this was leaked with reason or at least that no one at AOL cares all that much.
W
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Netscape Communicator 4.x had a primative but extremely useful Roaming Profiles function, but Mozilla doesn't. A lot of people have voted for it, but it just hasn't been a top coding priority. All is not lost, however:
Ben Bucksch of Beonex fame has offered to help complete this oft-requested oft-marked-as-no-time-to-implement feature. He's doing the work as a tip-jar sponsored project, so check out bug #124026 and contribute a little bit if you can.
Even if you aren't particularly interested in the roaming ability, it's an interesting situation to watch -- any open-source project the size of mozilla must have lots of opportunities for independent developers to jump in and work on a open-source-for-cash basis. If Ben is really successful here, it's a great case-study in a way for small developers to make money working at open source / free software. I'm curious to see how this example turns out....
Last week I gave another friend a couple CDs with OpenOffice and the current Netscape and Mozilla on it. OpenOffice was worth trying, but he refused to give Mozilla a try. Today, on hearing news of the AOL switch to Mozilla, he replied "Well, what are they going to do when web pages don't load?"
Folks, I'm speachless.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
For those wondering, yes, there is a spellchecker for Mozilla (bug 56301). Or, if you're in a hurry, the installer is right here.
I've been using David Einstein's spellchecker for week's now without problem. Of course, it has its own quirks (such as there being no way to dismiss the spellchecker and avoid sending the message) but it's still a tremendous effort.
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
If you're using mozilla, just right click the ad, select "Block images from this server." Presto, you just deprived slashdot of revenue!
If you have a bug to report, or a suggestion to
make, can you take it to here?
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I've been using Mozilla on Linux as default since the early .9 releases, but on windows it just didn't seem as fast, even the last release I downloaded, 0.9.7, but WOW, it's fast now. Window's users, definetly give Mozilla another look if you haven't used it in a while, and Linux users, well your probably already using it...Great job mozilla team!
"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." -Homer Simpson
In IE, if you enter ALT-D, your cursor moves to the address bar and you can enter a new URL without using the mouse. Is there an equivalent shortcut in Mozilla? I need to use Netscape at work and I always find myself typing ALT-D. :-)
cpeterso
I use Mozilla under both Windows and Linux, and in both cases I find the middle mouse button VERY problematic. I scroll with my mouse wheel, which frequently causes middle button clicks. This often results in tons of windows opening all over the place. This is very very irritating. What's more, under Windows, the middle click and scroll functionality is broken making this app rather inconsistent with others. I find this feature under Windows very useful, especially on longer pages.
Other than that, 0.98 was very good. The best yet. Not quite as reliable as IE, and certainly not as speedy (e.g. big pauses with 100% CPU before pages start to render).
if you are on linux/freebsd, check this out:
ctrl+left click, then paste somewhere else, very cool!
Also, has anyone else had the problem that the URL-autocomplete will NEVER return mail.yahoo.com ? I think it started sometime during the .9.X builds.
Maybe I oughta go register for that bugzilla account...
Karma: Bored. (Thinking about resurrecting the "Anyone else is an imposter" joke.)
Unfortunately the new release still needs support from Galeon. Installing the RPMS on my machine cause Galeon to segfault. Had to revert back to 0.9.8. Guess I'll just have to wait for Galeon 1.0.4.
"In mathematics, it's not enough to read the words -- you have to hear the music"
Tabs are a nice idea, but they're still quite immature in Mozilla. For instance, they don't close in the correct order, so they're no substitute for real tabs or MDI, as found in Galeon or Opera.
:-)
:-)
I accept that Mozilla is still in development, but many good ideas that make the GUI work better (like this one) are actually being turned down.
Something else that reminds me of this is there is no Apply button in the Themes Preferences dialog box.
I'm getting into many bad habits using Mozilla's interface, and when I go to use something that works properly I find myself doing what I would've done in Mozilla, and it doesn't work (and nor should it). It's a bit like people who double-click on web links.
It seems to me that Mozilla's GUI is made to pacify Netscape 4 users, rather than making it as usable as it should be. I think this is bad for several reasons, not least because Netscape 6 still has a smaller market share than Netscape 4, so Netscape 4 users aren't migrating at all! To me this means that:
a) some users are sticking with Netscape 4
b) some users are moving to Internet Explorer or something else, because they're better, regardless of the menus being somewhat different
Maybe this shows us that open-source projects really need to spend more time on proper GUI guidelines, because as much as I hate products made by certain other companies (that one that makes Windows in particular), I find their apps much easier to use (when they don't crash, etc.).
I think I'm going to end up using Galeon or SkipStone, because the Mozilla rendering engine seems quite good -- it's the GUI holding Mozilla back (regardless of how pretty the "Modern" theme is!).
Having said this, I'm still downloading 0.9.9
Browser
MailNews
Unfortunately, voting won't get stuff done any faster. Most of the moz community is pretty aware of the feature requests. A lot of time is being chewed up with stability, performance and bug fix work, as well as sorting and triaging bugs.
Hit the link in my sig, and find out how you can do more than just vote, by helping with QA, working in the bug database, tweaking the front end code (mostly scripts - fairly easy) and hacking the back end code.
While I'm at it, I hope mpt won't hate me for mentioning his The top ten usability problems in Mozilla. Don't get me wrong, I love moz, but that list is a great summary of some important work left to be done (thought it's a bit out of date - there is now a fullscreen on win32, and there have been a lot of textedit bug fixes).
Christopher
Mozilla
If you find that you use IE's window cloning (perhaps without even realising that you've started using) and really miss it under Mozilla, please vote on these bugs:
Bug 18808 - vote
Bug 110535 - vote
Bug 36269 - vote
Be patient. The volunteers that have been doing this work for you in the past haven't gotten to it yet.
-Asa
Linux users unite... Go vote for fullscreen (other platforms)
How about "Linux users unite... Go implement fullscreen for Linux Mozilla" ?
--Asa
Lets see part of dpkg --list |grep " 0\."
amp version 0.7.6
aide version 0.7-11
apt version 0.5.4 (_the_ debian godsent tool)
aspell 0.33.7.1-8
atftpd 0.5
c2html 0.9.4-1
daemontools 0.70-20
dia 0.88.1-2
ed 0.2-19 (yes, _ed_ is still at 0.2!)
fakeroot 0.4.5-2.1 (for dpkg-buildpackage)
finger 0.17-9 (but nobody even uses finger anymore)
ftp 0.17-9 (ftp client never actually reached 1.x, so who's going to worry about the http client)
gedit 0.9.6
mpg123 0.59r-11
mpt321 0.2.3
openssl 0.9.6c-1
telnet-ssl 0.17.16+0.1-2
usbmgr 0.4.8-5
usbutils 0.9-1
wmaker 0.80.0-3
word2x 0.005-4.1 (they expect a lot of versions to go!)
xscorch 0.1.14-2 (Clone of Scorched Earth, the best oldtimer multiplayer game ever)
If it's in the true spirit of open source, it will achieve full acceptance by the users before the developers think it's perfect, hence by the time 1.0 comes out, all users will respond 'duh, 0.9.9.4pre4-test2-rc4-pl9 already was just perfect for me'
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
Enter this into the URL field:
javascript:void(window.fullScreen=true)
And you get full screen! Note that this implementation is incomplete, and does not work with all window managers. But it's a start
I have a good 60 or so bookmarks, and I hate taking the time to scroll to the bottom of the list. It's so much nicer in Netscape where it just spills over to an additonal column.
Of course, I'm sure that others prefer the current IE style scrolling, so I'd be happy if it is implemented as an option. If you agree with me, please Vote for this bug!
I spent a lot of cycles building and debugging mozilla in the past, and haven't built it recently. Can anyone help answe a few assorted questions that will impact how quickly I start devoting time to mozilla again?
/usr/local NFS server
- Does Mozilla 'do the right thing' with a read-only NFS mounted directoy yet? In the past, user prefs were stored under all various subdirs of the product, and it was unusable for a network-based install to production read-only
- How does one install Netscape plugins into mozilla on unix and windows? I can do the mime-type mapping on unix (which really should have been the only way to do this all along)... but can I use NS4 plugins with mozilla on unix and windows? -- the windows install didn't seem to 'understand' how to install plugins for itself when I browse pages that needed them, so I *ASSUME* it doesn't work. Do all NS4 plugins work for Netscape 6.X?
- why aren't mozilla binaries for all various platforms statically linked to gtk and glib? -- In my opinion, a browser shouldn't have any OS dependencies for other software that isn't part of the default OS. For any OS other than linux, gtk and glib shared libs are not in a basic OS install.
- Will there *EVER* be a release of mozilla or netscape 6.X that runs on glibc-2.0 systems? I have one that is still very functional, with the exception of me having to use netscape 4.74 and live with it's bugs forever. I would even accept a mozilla binary for libc5 that was statically linked...
- can mozilla come with an 'install' script?? The last seen-by-me method of building and installing mozilla is a MESS! so many files, so many scripts, so unclear what a 'default mozilla' install really means and where it should go.
Yes, but does Mozilla include a mail client? That's the only reason I'm using Netscape 6.2.
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
I am posting this with 0.9.9 right now. I just went for a trip around some pr0n sites that have multiple popups (when using internet explorer). With this version of Mozilla, if you go to:
Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Scripts, then unclick "Open unrequested windows"
You will get no more popups! Pages that use javascript to open in new windows when you click on something still work, but pages that open up other windows when they load (popups) have no more power over your browsing experience! Yay!
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
I've been using 0.9.8 for a week or so, and it seems to do the job satisfactorily.
smash
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
When you type a URL in the URL bar, wouldn't it be handy if it worked?
Find free books.
Does it strike anyone else here that everything good that everyone has said here concerning Mozilla is already available in a web browser? Of course I'm talking about Opera, which I've been using for a few months now, and am extremely impressed with it. Tabbed windows, ultra fast page renders, fast startup time, can be controlled completely by either the keyboard or the mouse (really innovative and awesome).
Mozilla is open source and free, which is good, and Opera is one of the few browsers that is not free, but the penalty for not paying is a little banner ad that sits on your browser all the time while you browse. It isn't particularly annoying, but the Opera browser is totally worth the price. I absolutely recommend that everyone try it out, especially if you like the features of Mozilla or are unsatisfied by IEXPLORE.
Just thought I'd point this out, as Opera is a very viable alternative to other browsers, and it absolutely rocks.
Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
The last Mozilla I tried on the Mac was 0.9.7, and that lasted all of 10 minutes. So far, this is much better than that one, but I really did want to see some MathML one of these days, too.
Babar
1. I tried "google" and hit enter, and it went to google.com, try it.
2. The ALT tag is not for tooltips. The TITLE tag is for tooltips. I know this annoys alot of people, but that's the spec.
Good to know I'm not the only one having problems with this. None of the non-RPM release files seemed to have it enabled. Enough people are reporting it to work that I assume the RPMs must support it. Hopefully when the slackware packages come out on linuxpackages.net in the next couple of weeks they'll have it compiled in (they're built off of the official source rpms after all).
"(Man) tries to live his own life as if he were telling a story. But you have to choose: live or tell." --Sartre
So tell me: what am I missing here? What do they think their users are going to do? Use the mouse?
Babar
Before:
The last time I tried it, a year and a half ago, it was so buggy, slow and lacking in features that I gave up in disgust after a week of software pain. Ever since, I had dismissed as overly idealistic advocacy the mumbling I kept hearing from various developers who touted each new Mozilla "milestone" release as incrementally better than the one before.
Now:
As I write these words, I've been running Mozilla for Windows for almost five hours. While that's obviously not enough time to make a detailed technical appraisal, I can say that Mozilla has already become my default browser and that it is as fast and slick and full-featured as I want.
Nuff said!
Mozilla 0.9.7 - 0.9.9 are broken in that the Java plugin does not work for them at all, at least in Windows 2000 and XP
You can download the java plugin manually and run it or run it from the automatic plugin finder -- it just doesn't work.
This is a showstopper bug that has been around for months.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
How do I get it to launch into the browser automatically without first selecting the profile? Is there a command flag to specify the profile?
./mozilla -P "<profile name>"
run
--Asa
Asa, I just wanted to say thanks. You're always answering lowly user's questions on Slashdot and Mozillazine and such. You don't get peeved because people don't keep track of every minute detail of the Mozilla construction process. You only rant at the people who act like complete tools. Your informative answers to people's problems and questions have definitly made my Mozilla experience much better and I'm sure you've had the same effect on others.
Thanks for putting up with all the crap that you put up with and for helping us little guys out. I appreciate it.
> But then again why would I invest that much time to give a shit about a crappy DOA browser?
Probably the same reason you would spend so much time reading this far down in the comments about the "crappy DOA browser" you hate so much and then taking the time to comment.
I think you sir, may be in desperate need of a hug.
A mere 3.5 hours after I saw this post and I got antialiased truetype fonts working... and let me tell you.... they look GREAT!
Really? I played with it, and they ended up looking really ugly on my Debian box, compared to the AA fonts in Opera/Konq... Pointing at the same fonts too.
Did you have to play with the various antialiasing settings to get them looking right, or did you just turn 'em on, fill in the path, and go?
(apologies if <sarcasm> was implied in the parent...;P )
Mozilla works great already, and Version 1.0 will be a beautiful gift to the entire world.
Bush's education improvements were
Mozilla is quickly becoming the poster child of the open source movement. You don't need to know how to recompile a kernel, and yes - it'e easy enough for your grandmother to use.
It has been kicking some major butt on my linux desktop for over the past year, though it's been kicking my butt on OS X for the past 2 months... constant crashes with no log files can drive a man nuts.
Maybe I should take up Moz hacking
- passion
I am currently using it on Windows 98 SE - box has a 300a celeron and 128MB of RAM. My computer is self built and over 3 years old now. The browser performs nicely, speed wise. Of course, I only have one open right now. The real test is to concurrently surf several sites.
I suggest that every slashdotter download and use this build for at least a week straight... regardless of whether you already have a good browser or not. Personally, on Linux, I prefer Konqueror, but one sure way to help browser development and the internet is to use browsers besides Internet Explorer / Netscape. Let the world know that other browsers exist! Also, you can't make an accurate decision on a piece of software, unless you use it for day-to-day tasks. So download a copy, install it, surf your typical sites for a week, and then send bugs reports to the developers, write reviews, etc... However, don't write a "review" based on 30 minutes of "real world" use. No lame benchmarks either. Just surf with it. Try to forget what brand browser you are using. If you can't, then there is something wrong with your browser. Thats when I realized that Konqueror was truely becoming a solid browser... when I was surfing the web for about 8 hours with it, and I forgot that I was using Linux... forgot that I was surfing with konqueror... then I got off of my PC, stepped back, and realized that - hey, it worked pretty well!
I love the speed!
I love the tabbed browsing!
I love the interface!
I love not using IE!
I love disabling pop-up windows!
Just one thing...
It must know I love it, because whenever I tell it to stay down for a minute it just keeps popping right back up!!!
I stole this Sig
These are bug 57724, bug 45583, and bug 40876. Get a Bugzilla account, and vote for these bugs to help encourage the Mozilla folks to fix them! They bug the crap out of me.
My Web Page
MathML on by default! That is great!
The old notation for math is so boring and obsolete:
x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0
I much prefer:
<mrow>
<mrow>
<msup>
<mi>x</mi>
<mn>2</mn>
</msup>
<mo>+</mo>
<mrow>
<mn>4</mn>
<mo>⁢</mo>
<mi>x</mi>
</mrow>
<mo>+</mo>
<mn>4</mn>
</mrow>
<mo>=</mo>
<mn>0</mn>
</mrow>
because it is XML and standardized and non-proprietary and cool. I want my <elite>XML</elite>!
Yeah thats what the (non-working) builds I was using report too. I did find a nightly which seems to have it compiled in, looks pretty nice actually. Seems to be some problems with bold and italic text when using freetype.
"(Man) tries to live his own life as if he were telling a story. But you have to choose: live or tell." --Sartre
Here's the timeline for 1.0 according to the good folks at Mozilla: Roadmap
- experimental
- latest-AB OUTLINER
- latest-STATIC_TEST
- required-by-law
- se
e the bottom of this page.
I can figure that latest-0.9.4ec is a continuation of ns6.2, latest-0.9.9 is the latest build in that branch, latest-0.9.9_WIN_GMAKE involves the tranition to gnu make, and latest-j4_client_mk_test has something to do with making in 4 processes via "make -j4"perhaps put a BUILD_README in each of their respective folders?
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
I happen to have a macho build that can't download files, like, say, the next Mozilla :(9 938
/tmp
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6
The problem first started appearing in Feb; before, at least, the files lived in
Now they don't download at all. I have to fire up IE or an older version of Moz to download files now. I'll grab tonight's version, and see if 0.9.9 fixes it.
GPL Deconstructed
Nightlies are built from the current HEAD, whereas 0.9.9 will have branched some time ago.
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
Gecko's status really doesn't have any impact on that change unless v1.0-Day for Mozilla has some sort of anti-MS voodoo significance. Even then, it's still more effective I'm told to sacrifice a black rooster to Papa Legba on Bill Gates' birthday, but I guess every little bit helps.
Johnny Quest has two Daddies.
... I'd still really love to see ROT-13 encoding/decoding in the mailer a la netscape.
Its absence makes reading encoded usenet spoiler postings most difficult.
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"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
K5's HTML is slowly being grown towards XHTML 1 strict. This requires that there are stronger Scoop comment filters, as well as rewriting large portions of hard-coded style code. This is not easy to do.
... so things should improve.
rusty really likes his font tags, and was developing on NS4 BITD, but now he's using Galeon
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Well, intrigued by that, I went to look at the site. I was amused to see that the very first sentence of the first article on the front page states that:
The Mozilla Organization has not yet released the Milestone 0.9.9 edition of its Mozilla browser suite.
Excellent reportage.
No remote server hits for mail/news.
That bug requires that someone learn where to hook in a security policy token which is set based un a UI pref.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
I'm using Linux on my home desktop, and Win2k at work, and am running Moz on both for several reasons:
Bizarrely, despite MS's desperate attempts to blend the boundaries between the desktop and the net, IE is still very much just a window for browsing remote sites. If anything, it's moving info away from the desktop into the waiting arms of fat controllers. Mozilla (and, I suspect, many other browsers) has succeeded in providing a platform from which interactivity and true innovation is infinitely more feasible, the seeds of which we are seeing now. Distributed independence. If AOL take it and run with it without screwing it over with hype and brand names, and if the Mozilla team can carry on the good work, iron out all the blatant bugs and maximise performance, then I'll be a very happy man.
It handles multiple email accounts, both types, integrates nicely with LDAP, etc, etc. Right now the ONLY thing IMHO that is missing is GnuPG integration (its being worked on) I'm very happy with it and have even had a few non-tech types here switch from Outlook to NS/Mozilla mail, mostly due to Mozill'a better LDAP integration which we use heavily.
Top Most Bizarre/Disturbing Error Messages
For decades, every serious operating system, as far as I know (and no, I don't include DOS or CP/M in that category!) has had disk buffers and/or cache. Turbo mode is not the same thing - it's just a preloading of the code, and a preinitialisation (which is actually quite significant - there's a lot of slow initialisation that doesn't involve disk access.)
For the kernel to do that by itself it would need to have psychic powers to know what programs you used most often, or it would need to do some kind of cross-session profiling.
Female Prison Rape in NY
I'd like a page on the mozilla site explaining what the ... required-by-law [folder is]
required-by-law contains software whose license (typically GNU GPL or LGPL) requires those who distribute binaries to also mirror the full source distribution of all packages involved in the build that don't already come with the operating system. From the GNU GPL (the LGPL has similar wording):
So far, such packages include GLib and GTK+, which are both under the LGPL.
The "experimental" folder contains builds that demonstrate new large patches. It's part of the Patch Landing Tool.
Will I retire or break 10K?
This brings quite sad news to all of us who are forced to sit behind that ugly piece of %$^@ that is msporksy 2.0 :(
1% APY, No fees, Online Bank https://captl1.co/2uIErYq Don't let your $$$ sit in a no-interest acct.
I've also seen problems painting the screen with various artifacts, almost always when I've been scrolling with a wheel mouse.
This is a known problem (bug 121230) with alpha-transparent PNGs: drawing partial images doesn't work correctly, as it seems to flip the image vertically before selecting which chunk to render.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Well, that definitely helped - I had the autohinted/unhinted settings opposite of yours. Flipping 'em around did a world of good - although I wouldn't say my results were as good or better than in Opera. Maybe it's just a personal preference =)
Another weirdness I noticed was that bold or italic text wasn't being rendered for Truetype fonts - the font was simply being displayed as normal. Type1 fonts rendered bold and italic, but only "normal" unstyled text was being given the aa treatment. Odd, since Opera seems to deal with them just fine. (so it doesn't look like a library issue per-se) Yours seems to do at least Type1 fonts just fine in all cases, so it's obviously a setting on my end that's off =)
According to apt, I'm up-to-date with freetype2 -- so that's not the issue (unfortunately).
It's definitely much better than before, however - and any improvement is good, IMHO.
As has already been pointed out, blocking popups at page load/unload is not a new feature. A sort-of related feature is, however: You can now prevent from opening a new window by flipping the "Open a link in a new window" switch in the Scripts & Windows panel.
:)
If you just hate it when someone makes all their external links open in new windows, this feature is for you!
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
The ability to do javascript:void(window.fullScreen=true) has been turned off by default to prevent web page abuse (you wouldn't want a web page suddenly putting you in full screen mode, would you?)
" , "allAccess");
To turn it back on, find the file "prefs.js" in your Mozilla profile directory and add the following line to it:
pref("capability.policy.default.Window.fullScreen
That's it! window.fullScreen=true will work again now. (Note that Mozilla must *not* be running while you modify prefs.js.)
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
I'm a subscriber. I have my subscription settings set up to hide all ads, everywhere. So why am I seeing ads all of a sudden?
Why is this on topic? Because I didn't see any ads until I opened this page. Now I see them on my preferences pages, too.
I'm not sure how to do this in the Modern theme, but if you're using Classic, just find your Mozilla profile directory, open the subdirectory called "chrome", edit the file "userChrome.css", and paste these lines at the bottom:
.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button { .toolbarbutton-text, .toolbarbutton-text {s ingle.gif") !important;a nim.gif") !important;
.toolbarbutton-1,
min-width: 0px !important;
text-align: center !important;
}
#nav-bar-inner {
margin: 0px !important;
}
.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button >
.toolbarbutton-1 >
display: none !important;
}
#navigator-throbber {
list-style-image: url("chrome://communicator/skin/brand/throbber16-
}
#navigator-throbber[busy="true"] {
list-style-image: url("chrome://communicator/skin/brand/throbber16-
}
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Thing to keep in mind is that some of the HTML on Slashdot is user-created. So Slashdot would have to add a validation script to the submit process in order for it to maintain XHTML pages. So don't expect /. code to be pure XHTML any time soon.
MathML is an XML. It should validate. Any document it is part of should validate. Don't blame Mozilla for the world's problems.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121540
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
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> finger 0.17-9 (but nobody even uses finger anymore)
Since you've quoted output from a debian system, you might be interested to know that debian has a finger-enabled developer database.
Look at:
$ finger @db.debian.org
Want my GPG key?
$ finger dsb3/key@db.debian.org | gpg --import
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
I use the Lo-Fi Classic theme for its nice small buttons. Note: I haven't tried the theme with Mozilla 0.9.9 yet.
Yes, but does Mozilla include a mail client? That's the only reason I'm using Netscape 6.2.
Yes. In fact, I have been using Netscape as my e-mail client since 1996 and was able to import my ancient e-mail archives into Mozilla with no probloems at all. Beautiful - simply beautiful.
I'm a 2000 man.
And completely wrong. And encouraging inaccessible web design. Hence will not be done.
I've been trying all morning to grab the Win32 version (for a computer on which I, for historical reasons, run NT), and the Installer has timed out every time it's tried to ftp it.
GNU HURD is nearly ready for a production release.
Debian finally moves to a 2.4 kernel.
Hell freezes over.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Funny, it seems like most people who posted to this story that commented disagree. THere are several comments about Opera not working, and, just in case you were wondering, I -have- used Opera, and it renders pages horribly. It doesn't even fail gracefully. Don't bother telling me what the docs say it supports, it breaks when it does.
As for the rest of your post, it sounds like you could use some prozak or something. So very very hostile. If you can't make your point without swearing, perhaps you shouldn't post; if me saying your browser gets you this worked up, perhaps you shuold get some help.
--Dan
For this to really be worthwhile, we'd need to implement fingers:// (in the same spirit as https:// of course) since otherwise the finger interface can easily be hijacked in order to send phony key/checksum/signature information to match the phony package that was received.
(drifting even further off topic)
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
But in something like AOL, if the engineers have started integrating it, then imagine the cost to restart all of the re-testing, re-integration, and wasted time if they were to back down.
Of course I won't believe it until I see it either...
This site crashed by browser already :(
S cr een=SFNT&Store_Code=electroseller
(windows 98se)
http://electroseller.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?
Try pointing at the computer case in the upper right. It may not be the only part of the page causing problems, but it crashes mine every time.
If you're running a non-windows version,
try to crash your browser so we can get some more bug reports.
Finally a good reason to burn my +1 bonus
XML can be usually distributed as PostScript too. You make up all the problems you want.
I stand by with what I said earlier: Properly coded pages render just as perfect in Opera 6.01 as they do in Mozilla 0.9.9 and IE 6. Anyone, claiming the opposite, is a lying sack of shit. I know, since I use Opera every day and often compare its performance to other browsers.
http://cdslash.net/index2.php - this page does not render properly in Opera. Maybe you need to get down off your zealotry horse and get a clue? Incidentally, the page is 100% validated XHTML Strict 1.0 and the css (http://cdslash.net/cdslash.css) is validated too. There are some warnings about not having a colour with my background colour specification, but those will be fixed when I get more time to work on the site.
If you're interested in seeing what I see, check this out:
http://cdslash.net/temp/browsers/opera.png - This is what Opera thinks the page should look like. It totally ignores the width: attribute of the navbar. This isn't even something fancy, like layers, or DHTML, this is setting the width of a table cell. Tell me now that Opera renders things perfect.
http://cdslash.net/temp/browsers/mozilla.png - For reference, this is what Mozilla renders it as, which, coincidentally enough, is exactly what it's supposed to look like. Weird how that works, isn't it? IE looks exactly the same too, in case you were wondering.
Anyway, maybe you should 'often compare its performance to other browsers' without deciding your results beforehand. Maybe you'd get better results that way.
--Dan