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Linux Kernel 2.5.19 Released
The Pi-Guy writes "It's that time again, yep, another kernel update - 2.5.19 is out there, including lots of drivers ported to the new API, and lots of ia64 and PPC32 fixes! Grab it from your local Kernel.org mirror, or if you're feeling mean, you can grab it directly from kernel.org here. The changelog is also at kernel.org."
Believe it or not, some people ENJOY hearing about the development kernel releases. Every time someone posts a Linux kernel update, you have your 10-20 obligatory trolls about how "we subscribe for this sh*t??" If you don't care about Linux, go to your preferences and exclude it. Otherwise, don't troll.
;D
Sorry if this is a troll.
Hargun
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
Uhhhh... it's a development kernel. It's not supposed to be stable. Don't go complaining that it destroyed your file system; you were the one who opted to install it.
Besides, if you don't like it, you could dig around in the source to fix it... or, you could apply just a little bit of effort and file a bug report.
$5 or more a month, isn't it worth it?
It's because half the people will be pointing out how ridiculous this "article" is, and the other half will reply "well, I like uhh *want* to know what the latest kernel patch is 'cause I'm like ehhh l33t and stuff". You have no idea just by how much it increases the ad revedue.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
Exactly, news for nerds, stuff that matters. :)
Kernel updates matter to nerds
I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
As it now seems that bluetooth kernel support will make it to 2.6, we will see Linux crawling through new paths to embedded devices. The floodgates are now really open, since this has been a true barrier for many companies forcing them to select something else which is otherwise inferior.
What happened to the new kbuild system? Last time I compiled 2.5, I included the new kbuild patch, and it worked great.
Ah well.. It will probably end up like kgi.. Great project, but dies because some finnish guy doesn't want to include it into the kernel...
xer.xes -- 4181
I am a nerd, the linux kernel matters. 'Nuff said.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Oh, wait, I shouldn't expect consistency...this is Slashdot.
This is necessary...life, feeds on life...
Does urpmi simply not support kernel upgrades, or is Mandrake sticking to the stable kernel versions?
As a concerned linux user, and an avid Mandrake fan, I would like the option to try a new linux kernel without installing it manually. Guess I don't have a choice.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
From the changelog:
<rml@tech9.net>
[PATCH] Robert Love likes leather and chains
> Hmm. That patch does not compile. "p->cpu" does not exist, it's
> "p->thread_info->cpu". Tssk.
Ouch, I am bad. Sorry.
Make the ChangeLog entry something really defamatory.
Robert Love
In the old days, many many people used the 2.3 kernels.
Today, the Linux Counter system statistics show less than 1% of users using the "development" kernel.
Is this a worrying aspect of the Linux community's development cycle?
Maybe there should be an option to "Exclude those damn Kernel Updates" in the user preferences.
I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
This is an excellent opportunity for non-hackers to help by testing the development kernel. Try it out. Kick the tires. Your feedback can help the kernel hackers perfect their art. Too often developers can get "myopic" if they don't excerise their code a wider ranger of systems. Help test the latest kernel, and become part of the development process.
So, when will we see 2.4.19? I thought that 2.4.19 was supposed to have been a shorter bake than 2.4.18, wasn't it?
Also, I'm curious.. is there a "safe" way to play with the development kernels, if you don't have the time to debug filesystems or recover from disasters? are the file-system bugs as bad as they sound, or do they only affect non-ext2/ext3 file systems? does anyone have any "tricks" that they'd like to share? are the 2.5 kernels going to support using GCC 3.1 for greater speed?
Well, what you need to do is contact slashdot and ask them to create a new topic. "Kernel Updates" or something. Then you could block the stories.
Bitching about it here really isn't going to get you anywhere.
--
pants ahoy
"Let it corrupt your filesystem. Watch as it effortlessly destroys all your data."
Perfect opportunity for Linux users to consider switching back to Windows, is more like it.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
I found this kernel to be very stable and very reliable. This is very promising. I run JDK from blackdown and openoffice 1.0, as well as latest Mozilla, IRC, and got to admit that the system feels very responsive and extremelly feature rich. Hell, I can even use videolan with regionfree plugins. The 2.4 glitches for power saving features I experienced in the past seem to be gone too. Thumbs up for all the people who helped make this happen.
PPA, the girl next door.
-- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
- An improperly sorted CREDITS file
- a typo in dcache.c
- removal of unused code in the nfs subsystem
- consolidation of errno definitions
- the spelling of a contributor's name
- miscellaneous ia64 fixes
Thank you slashdot, for keeping me informed, and for understanding the importance of randomly updating the public on the status of developmental software version numbers!Personally, the 2.5.x kernels are of academic interest onlz. 2.4.y remains the bread and butter of what I run and I guess most other people.
1) Keeps user skills fresh on how to tar zxf; cd; make; make install
2) Frequent full source downloads lets developers, hosts and users all make sure their net connections are optimized
3) Announcement on non-kernel-related sites keeps Linux, OS of the Gods, in the forefront of everyone's minds
4) Announcement on non-kernel-related sites also ensures that stock analysts, mechanical engineers and daycare workers all get the latest source code to make "all bugs shallow"
5) Let's slashbots who wouldn't know gcc from herpes simplex talk about "the kernel" as if they knew thing one about programming or Linux
The latest stable release of the kernel is 2.4.19 the 2.5.x is still in beta release and shouldn't be used by normal users.
Ever gave it a serious try ? That kind of comment is totally stupid. If u dislike linux then why do bother reading the newspost ?
This new kernal has come too late, nothing can save VA Linux from being delisted now! LNUX stock is worth less than the canadian dollar now!
send comments to valinuxdelistedtroll@hotmail.com
Yea, yea. How many more times are we gonna hear about a Linux release to fix the inferior software?
Will firewire devices ever work? Isn't any kernel hacker embarrassed that they still don't?
You know what really bewiders me? This a frickin development kernel. Which could have its own merits I guess, but I'm too uninterested to read the changelog or keep up with development kernels in general. I have a life outside Linux, sorry. Anyway, where was the /. news item (and frontpage like this one, no less) for 2.5.18? or *.15? Etc... Why is this one so special? Is it the last in the 2.5.* series before code freeze or something? Oh.. no its not. I beg the Editors to not just lump all major and minor kernel releases under the "Linux" topic, which in itself I think is far too broad, especially for this audience. Please please please create 2 more topics: Linux Kernel Development Releases (stable) and ditto (unstable). I think slashdot is Linux-centric enough *ducks*, that we can handle having 2 topics just for kernel devel releases. Then I can just filter out the unstable kernel release posts and not have to whine and bitch about this all the time.
/. by the day.
Besides, it'd be interesting to be able to search by topic for a given kernel release, and look at the comments to see how well recieved it was, etc etc. -- Getting more disenchanted with
What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
No text but decoy for lameness filter.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Old news, was released the 29. Still waiting for 2.5.20 :-)
If you want a lot of 2.5 features without sacrificing to much then there is allways the jp kernel patches located here. It includes xfs, ext3 fixes, low-latency, alsa and a lot of other things.
Dude. If you do a daily backups, a filesystem crash is nothing. Especially compared to the fuzzy feeling you get submitting detailed bug-reports to the kernel devs so they can make Linux better. You guys are starting to sound liky mopey Windows users!
PS> I have a spare comp sitting around that I do a daily data-sync with. Cheap, fast, effortless backup!
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Sheesh! (Score:4, Funny)
by Lethyos (tofuchute@hotmail . c om) on Saturday June 01, @09:13AM (#3622181)
(User #408045 Info | http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Thursday May 09, @03:25PM)
Haven't you editors heard yet? BSD is dying! Get with the program and post another Linux 2.5 patch level increment announcement. Thank you!
It's about time! 3 days? What took so long?
Eventually 2.5 will become 2.6. It is interesting to see what we can expect from the next linux kernel.
as Debian is planning the party for the 2.4 kernel based system, 'Woody', release. So far, the tables, guest speakers, live entertainment and beer (as in free?) are in the works and setup already. Much of the entertainment had no problem with the 2005 time of this event, but there were some that said 'it is just too early to plan that far ahead'. What they lack is VISION!
I think the Linux Counter system statistics are not accurate because that's an unscientific "poll". The information there is gathered from only 2,401 machines, which is obviously not representative of the entire population of Linux machines (which probably number in the millions?). Statistically we would say that there is not enough "power" to detect a statistical significance, because of this low-number sample.
The other thing is that the people running that machine-update script are self-selecting. For any statistic to be accurate, it is important that the samples are chosen accurately (for example, a random sample or a stratified random sample). The Linux Counter sample selected themselves to participate, and that is of course not accurate.
So I don't think the statistics presented there are accurate at all.
I was interested to find out how much Linus has contributed to the dev. kernel during last month, I might as well post it here. Based on this he has followed the work multiple times a week during last month. And as I also see a couple of sunpoints, this means....ermm.... nothing.
(29-May-2002)
version: changelog entries
2.5.19 : 7
2.5.18 : 10
2.5.17: 6
2.5.16: 8
2.5.15: 4
2.5.14 : 2
2.5.13: 3
2.5.12: 5
2.5.11: 5
2.5.10: 10
(24-Apr-2002)
Many people would not want to see development kernel updates either. Having that option would shut this group of people up (and I mean this in a good way).
I consider my mother and grandparents normal users, but I doubt that my definition and yours are the same :)
Unless they have been holding out on me
For example, if you install it on an IDE system that doesn't come up with UDMA ...
This is apparently an open source project by Nokia:
Affix Bluetooth Protocol Stack for Linux
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
OK, here's my stupid question of the week.
What does the 2.5.x development kernel do that the stable 2.4.x kernel does not?
What are the flashy new bells & whistles?
No flames intended, I'm genuinely curious.
Meldroc, Waster of Electrons
One of the big things I know is the integration of the Alsa Sound drivers.
:)
This is quite a big move and I'm glad, the old kernel sound drivers were getting horribly out of date and lacked many features, such as hardware mixing support to name one.
I've been compiling the alsa drivers as modules for the entire 2.4.x series, and am *really* glad I won't have to be doing that any longer.
They only post the development kernel releases because whoever they got doing the 2.4 now is damn ssssssssssllllllllllloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww
Does anyone else find it absurd that they host the list of mirrors of their site... on their site?
// select a mirror at random
// I only have hosts with 10+ Mbit/sec here
i nux/", "http:/ " , "http://www.llarian-net.lkams.kernen ux/", "http://www.ihets.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.mi n ux/", "http://www.valinux.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.uw-madisu x/", "http://www.csl-mirror.lkams.kernel.org/pub/lin
u x/", "http://www.ymbnet.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.themoes-us.lku x/", "http://www.teleglobe-us.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linu x// ");
I did, and created a simple PHP script that will redirect you to a random mirror site. (My list of hosts that it uses is everyone with something greater than a T1.) I have very little bandwidth, and am not really supposed to run a webserver on my cable modem anyway, but perhaps someone with a "real" server, with PHP support, could put this up. It's probably not the best-written program, but it works. If someone wants to put it up on their high-bandwidth site and post links, I think it would be a great way to offload traffic from the main server, especially for when "bigger" things are released that cause the main site to hover just below 100 Mbps...
<?php
$hosts = array("http://www.internap.lkams.kernel.org/pub/l
//www.netnitco.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux
l.org/pub/li
idco.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.ftp-orst-edu.lkams.kernel.org/pub
/l
on.lkams.kernel.org/pub/lin
ams.kernel.org/pub/lin
", "http://www.secsup-org.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux
$max = count($hosts);
$site = rand(0, $max);
header("Location: $hosts[$site]");
exit;
?>
Note that this code uses VERY little bandwidth, since all it sends is an HTTP redirect.
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suwain_2
I don't speak for everyone, but it seems the reason that not as many people are using development kernels is because the 2.4.x series has all of the hardware support that most of us need. I have yet to come across a device that my 2.4.18 cannot support. The only reason I used the 2.3.x kernels when they were released was because 2.2.x was not cutting it in terms of hardware support. Now, I may just want to try 2.5.x just to see the difference in performance with that preemt patch, but I may be able to contain my excitement until 2.6 rolls out.
Can anyone tell me if its now safe to install on a VIA K7T266 board? I had lost interrupts and system freezes all over the place before.
less than 1% of users using the "development" kernel
Assuming the counter is accurate, even 1% of the user base is still quite a lot and probably includes those most capable of actually contributing to the development of the kernel.
Still, at least personally my eagerness to run the latest kernels has been on the decline. I've been running Linux for over 10 years now. There was a time when I used to immediately patch in anything posted on the kernel mailing by Linus, and spent a considerable time testing and writing patches myself.
These days all of my hardware has been supported by Linux for ages. The new kernels just don't seem to bring so many cool new features to my life as they used to, so I tend to go for a bit more sedate update pace now (of course, there is the occasional memory system rewrite, which makes one want to bite the bullet again). I suspect many of the old timers have the same experience. Besides, Linux performs so good I don't even have any reason to upgrade my hardware.
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
Perfect opportunity for Linux users to consider switching back to Windows, is more like it.
I love watching the people with sub 1000 user ids. They sound more and more jaded as the years go by.
:wq
That's a big change from 2.3's, they would almost always build for me.
While this is the topic... does anyone know if 2.4.19 will ever come out of RC stage?
Liberty.
Come on, add all the machines you use. Let's get those stats bumped up a bit.
Get your own free personal location tracker
hahhahahahaha
From the changelog:
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[PATCH] DIE "Russel", DIE!
My name is *not* GPL: you may not derive works without approval.
Rusty.
PS. I've also applied for a patent...
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I'm guessing he's referring to 'Rusty Russell'? Just thought I'd post it for anyone who missed it, seems a strange thing to put in the changelog.
I.O.U One Sig.
please stop impersonating seth finklestein, troll
More like:
Uhhhh... it's Linux. It's not supposed to be stable. Don't go complaining that it destroyed your file system; you were the one who opted to install it.
Besides, if you don't like it, you could dig around in the source to fix it... or, you could apply just a little bit of effort and file a bug report.
I think it's fairly reasonable. The nice thing about these being posted to Slashdot is that they allow public discussion of features the latest releases. I learned quite a bit about the pros and cons of devfs by following the Slashdot discussion about it.
There is always going to be something on Slashdot that you aren't interested in. Kernel releases, Star Wars, anime, whatever. There are too many different tastes to please everyone. But you have preferences that allow filtering, and article summaries and headlines to help you decide whether to read an article. I'd rather see more material on Slashdot than less, and decide what's interesting myself.
Finally, redundancy complaints aren't really reasonable. Yes, you can get anime news on an anime site, world events on BBC, linux kernel releases on kernel.org, etc. But because the Net is so large and provides so much information, there's redundant sources for amost all types of information. The point of Slashdot is to provide a nice selection of interesting information to browse at an idle point in your day. Including more information and then letting people filter seems to achive that goal well.
Now, maybe more fine-grained filters w
May we never see th
Includes ALSA support, and a bunch of low-latency improvements. Probably some efficiency improvements. A new build system.
May we never see th
I am getting increasingly uneasy about using a kernel in which development on it appears to have STOPPED! I mean, the whole world uses this kernel branch pretty-much...
Sigh, why publicize and push this unstable version of linux on people where there's a true Unix(tm) descendant which is much more stable and runs on your PC? FreeBSD must be the best kept secret in the world.
2.5.20 appears to be out already at kernel.org.
Actually I've generally had pretty good sucess with 2.4's USB. My Epson scanner worked fine out of the box (hotplug loaded the appropriate modules as soon as I plugged it in). Entries showed up automatically in /dev thanks to devfs, and SANE already had the requisite support.
Input devices like mice/tablets generally work fine too. The main fiddly thing at this point is USB storage -- my USB Zip drive is usable, but it's a little more fiddly with 2.4.14 than it should be.
DNA just wants to be free...
I've no idea myself, but I found this on linuxhq.
From the brief glance, it seems like there are a number of rewrites of the experimental hacks in 2.4 ("Bluetooth no longer experimental", framebuffer rewrite, Video 4 Linux redesign, Generic ACPI, etc).
Mostly stuff I wouldn't use in a hurry. After all, I use Linux for stability over Windows, and really cutting-edge stuff is secondary to rock-solidiness.
Actually there is 2.5.20 now :)
uh.. not quite. As I write this I'm having to disable scsi support because "Error: please fix me". I'll do w/o my burner to test it anyway.
Thanks magical /.
Now I'm off to post some complaints about other stuff so it should all be fixed in a minute. No need to thank me.
Liberty.
Oh no! 2.5.19 is full of trivial bugs for which I have patches, they will all fail in the compile stage and give up *frown*.
Quickly Linus, make a new release!
Liberty.
Whilst I don't have a 1000 uid, I've been around here for a long, long, time. Mr Warner has been making, er, "provocative" comments for as long as I can remember. Just like /. has *always* had duplicate stories and editors who can't spell.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
I grabbed the latest 2.5.xx kernel and then after compiling it, realized the bloody NVidia drivers will not compile for it!
I think my next card will be an ATI Radeon 8500. I've had enough of NVidia's crap.
There are far to many good things to fo into the kernel to mention, but heres 3 of my faves
1: New kernel device structure (kdev_t) & New driver model & unified device tree
This is one of the most important features for linux if people are going to write drivers, evrything is now very nice and modular to interface with.
2:Generic ACL (Access Control List) support
A lot of unices and windows have supported ACL for quite some time, there was a kernal patch for 2.4 but it's going to be in the kernel for good. ACL provides a more granular security model.
3: Reverse mappings in the VM
THis should speed up the VM a hell of a lot, reverse mappings improve page allocation perfomance, and fragmentation.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
That is NOT CmdrTAco's list of trolls!!!!!!! It isa terrible picuter, and if your ead it awtwork or in front of your wifeo you will geti n huuuuuge toreublE!!!!! WARINNG!
This is the correct link.
Support for a preemptible kernel!
Geoff
However, it doesn't suck as much as moderators!