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I suppose my life was fairly good, at eighteen I had a good job, which at that time was a miracle, enough money to keep me in fashion clothes wise, parents who loved me, and boys fawning over me. Having boys and men humming around me like bees was something I liked, not that I always gave them what they wanted, I wasn't that easy you know, but it was flattering to be in such demand. It was cheap too as I never went Dutch, if a man wanted to go out with me he paid for it, sometimes he got a return on his investment, sometimes he didn't, just like the stock market there was always a risk and I knew that I had something they wanted and used it to full advantage, mine of course.
As for my home life I had no complaints there, neither of my parents were overbearing, they were proud of my achievements and always encouraged me in whatever I did. Mum was a social animal, between her clubs and events we rarely saw her in the evenings, but it kept her happy and didn't give her much time to pry into my sexual activities. Her one wish was that I would find a 'nice' man and settle down, but it was not one of my priorities in life so the less time she had to raise the matter the better I liked it. I was actually closer to my father than my mother, at fifty he was still an active and, according to the girls I worked with, an attractive man, naturally I had never looked at him this way.
My father had taken early retirement after a fortuitous win on the pools and spent his time either at golf, gardening or in DIY projects; when he wasn't involved in any of these he'd be curled up with a book. Very early on I had found that it was easier to talk to my father about my problems than to my mother, especially when I became aware of sex, mum would 'um' and 'ah' about the subject whereas dad would give a straight answer if he could, I soon found myself confiding my secrets in him and though he tutted at some of the things I did he always did it with a grin. Maybe we were closer than most fathers and daughters, I don't know, but if I had a problem I at least knew who I could turn to for a sympathetic ear.
One evening I went out with a dishy guy from the office, mum had gone off to one of her clubs before I went out and dad was reading in the living room when I left. The early part of the evening went quite well, the guy took me to a posh restaurant and I had just about decided to let him have me as a reward when the idiot went and blew it. Right there at the table he slipped a hand under the table and tried to get his hand under my skirt, dishy he may have been, but I was not having that, not in public and not without a little preliminary courting first. What had started out as a pleasant evening ended with me slapping him round the face and storming out of the restaurant, the worst part was that I was feeling randy and had actually been looking forward to letting him take me back to his place for some fun. When I got home dad was still in the living room, he looked up as I entered, smiled, frowned then laid his book to one side.
"Want to talk about it Virginia?" he asked.
"Is it that obvious?" I sighed.
"Only to your old Da'." He grinned.
So I sat down and told him about what had happened, he laughed then patted my knee.
"I suppose he was so used to women swooning over him that it never occurred to him that one would say no." Dad laughed.
"If he'd played his cards right," I grinned, "he would have got what he wanted anyway, I'd just made up my mind when he went and spoilt it."
"What a silly boy," dad grinned, "but I can't really blame him you know, you are too pretty for your own good my love, the temptation gets too much sometimes, after all that's all we men are good for isn't it."
"Oh dad," I laughed, "you do have one or two other uses."
After talking with my father I felt a hell of a lot better though no less randy, the prospect of playing with my vibrator did not please me, but it was too late to find another decent date so it looked as though I was left with little choice. It was just after nine and I knew that my mother would be out until one in the morning or even later so at least I could let myself go, I hated having to hold back my cries so that my mother wouldn't hear them, dad just laughed when he heard the noise coming from my room and ribbed me about it later on. With a sigh I got to my feet and headed towards the living room door.
"BZZZZ." Dad laughed.
Poking my tongue out at him I went off to my room, it took me only a few minutes to get undressed, it took longer to decide which of my vibrators to use, but in the end I settled for a ten incher and lay back on my bed to enjoy myself as best I could. It really wasn't my night, I'd played with my large tits, fingered my pussy and was getting a good high from the vibrator when the damned thing died on me, with a little whimper of frustration I grabbed one of the others out of my cupboard only to find that the batteries were dead. Needing to get off I flopped on the bed and dug my fingers into my burning pussy, with fast, almost desperate strokes I tried to make myself climax, but it just wasn't happening, even tweaking my clit did no good and I felt tears of frustration running down my cheeks as I frigged myself desperately.
"OH DAMN!" I cursed pulling my fingers from my pussy, "DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!"
There was a knock at my bedroom door followed by my father's voice asking if I was all right, throwing a robe around myself I called out to him to enter. My pussy felt as though it was on fire as my father stepped into the room, he noted the vibrator I had thrown aside lying near the door and stooped to pick it up. He was wearing a dressing gown and it flapped open a little to reveal his cock hanging between his legs for a moment.
"The modern marvel not doing the job?" he asked laying the thing on my dressing table and adjusting his gown.
"The bloody things broken and the damned batteries have died in all the others!" I said in frustration, "Fuck it!"
"Come on Ginnie," dad said soothingly, "calm down."
"I wish I bloody could." I retorted.
"Listen," dad smiled, "I've just run a bath, you hop into it and relax, I think you need it more than I do."
"Its not a flaming bath I need." I muttered.
Dad must have heard me because he grinned, I squirmed a little on the bed to try and ease the heat of my pussy, my robe flapped apart without me realising it and my father drew in a sharp breath. Oblivious to the fact that I was displaying my body to him I saw him lick his lips then turn his eyes away from me, thinking I had offended him in some way I stood up which made my robe flap around me, but I didn't notice it.
"Dad," I said quietly as I touched his shoulder, "are you all right?"
He turned his head and nodded, his eyes were unusually wide and his breathing seemed a little fast to me, through the burning of my pussy I was concerned that he was coming down with something. His eyes turned away from me again and I heard him take a shuddering breath then sigh.
"Go and have that bath love." He said in a voice that sounded unsteady.
I turned to do as he asked knowing full well that I'd not get any relaxation from anything until I had at least one orgasm, it was then that I noticed that my robe was hanging open and it dawned on me why my father had suddenly started acting so strangely. A sudden thrill of excitement ran through me that brought me near to a climax, it shocked me to think that I could get turned on at the thought that my father had been able to see my naked body, it was an even bigger shock to realise that he had been turned on by what he'd seen. The next moment a pair of hands came under my arms and cupped my tits, I gasped and froze as my father pulled the material of the robe to one side and began to play with my nipples, a moment later he turned me towards the bed and leant me over it. His breathing was harsh in my ear as he tugged my robe up over my back, then his hands were back on my tits and something hard yet soft was pushing at my burning pussy, my pent up orgasm ripped through me as his cock surged into me in one motion, I cried out and shook in his grasp.
"Oh daddy," I gasped in a weak voice, "no!"
Whether he heard me or not didn't seem to make any difference, like a man possessed he began to fuck me with heavy thrusts that literally drove me wild, all thoughts of who was doing me went out of my head as he drove me to another orgasm. I must have been crying out to him to stop, I'm sure I was, but all I was really aware of was the pleasure I was getting from his long hard prick as it slid in and out of my pussy. Explosions of ecstasy hit me like a solid blow, my knees buckled under me, but my father's strong hands at my tits and his cock in my pussy stopped me from falling to the floor. Then I heard him groan and felt him push hard into me, his cock digging deep into my body as a hot glow spread inside me, it was his seed filling me with its heat and I cried out from the sheer bliss it was giving to me; my body shaking uncontrollably against him as he leant over my back making deep sounds in his throat. A few moments later he pulled his prick from my pussy and lowered me down to the bed, twisting my head around I looked up at him, tears of sheer pleasure were streaming down my cheeks, but my father must have thought the tears were for another reason and it snapped him back to himself. His face went deathly pale as he stared down at me, I knew that he could see his juices starting to leak from my pussy as he took a step away from where I lay trembling in post orgasmic bliss.
"Oh Jesus...what have I done!" dad gasped.
With shame and guilt written in his eyes my father turned and ran from the room, I would have followed him immediately, but my legs felt rubbery and I was still shaking like a leaf from the excitement inside me. Maybe if I had followed him that would have been the end of the matter, but as I lay there recovering I was thinking about what had happened. I'd been raped by my own father yet I had enjoyed it so much I'd had more than one orgasm, by God he had fucked me better than most of my recent lovers and he'd been hurrying at that. As I finally managed to sit up I realised that I was getting randy again and the only reason there could be for this was the thought of my father fucking me, it was all that was filling my mind, I felt ashamed of myself for the sudden desire I had for him to fuck me again, but the more I thought about it the more I wanted it to happen.
Getting off the bed I let my robe slip off my shoulders, stark naked I stepped out into the hall and hesitated, I was unsure where my father had gone until I heard sounds coming from my parent's bedroom so I headed that way. The door was open and I could see my father, still in his gown though now it was hanging open as he sat on the edge of the double bed with his face in his hands, whatever he may have been feeling his cock was of a different mind as it lay in his lap looking half erect. Quietly I stepped into the room and closed the door, my father didn't seem to notice my entrance and I stood there for a moment watching him in his remorse. He must have been going over and over what had happened for his shoulders were sagging ever lower, yet at the same time his cock was growing harder, and even as I stood watching it began to stand to attention.
"Dad?" I said softly with desire burning hotly inside me.
"I'm sorry Virginia," he sobbed without raising his face from his hands, "I don't know what the hell came over me."
I don't think he was even aware that his gown was wide open or his cock was erect let alone that I was standing there in the nude, crossing to the bed I knelt in front of him and leant against his legs.
"You must hate me for what I've done." My father sighed.
There was only one way to show him that I didn't hate him at all, at the same time I would satisfy the burning desire in me. Smiling softly to myself I pushed his shoulders until he was lying back on the bed, I stood up and straddled his body before he could realise what was happening. His hands fell to his side as I thrust down on him, taking his whole cock into my pussy in one go, his red, teary eyes went wide and his mouth opened in dismay as I leant forward onto his chest.
"VIRGINIA!" He cried.
"Daddy?" I smiled at him.
I think he was so shocked that he couldn't respond, leaning down I kissed him gently and felt him stiffen then relax, as I sat there with his cock buried deep inside me I felt happy and wildly excited. His cock filled my pussy to stretching point and though I was not moving on him just the feel of him inside me was pushing me towards a climax.
"God Ginnie," dad gasped when I raised my head again, "what are you doing?"
"I'm fucking you" I grinned, "what does it look like I'm doing."
"But..." He gaped at me, "For God's sake, I raped you!"
"Did you?" I sighed as I started to move on his cock, "I thought you were giving me just what I needed and God did I need to be fucked!"
"But..." He tried to speak.
Delicious thrills were running through me as his cock slid in and out of my pussy as I rode him slowly, I knew that in a few minutes I'd be too far gone in my pleasure to think let alone talk so I hurried to explain how I felt.
"I admit" I cut across his words, "that it was a shock at first, but the way you made me feel, God the way you made me feel had me climaxing so hard that I could barely breath. You know what a randy bitch I am, how could I resist what you were doing to me? Dad, when you left me I was so high I couldn't move and while I lay there I was thinking about what you'd done to me, I liked it, hell I loved it and thinking about it was getting me all hot in the pussy again. I don't give a damn whether it's illegal or not, whether it's wrong or not, all I want is for you to fuck me and to keep on fucking me."
I fell silent as my passion rose to such a level that I could no longer concentrate enough to form the words, as I had spoken my father had started to move with me, his cock surging up to meet me as I thrust down on him. Then his hands were on my tits, I felt his fingers teasing my nipples and sending me even more over the top.
"Ginnie," dad breathed, "God help me, but I want you as much as you seem to want me."
"Shut...up...and...fuck...me!" I gasped out just before I screamed my way into an orgasm.
Dad's head twisted down as he took one of my nipples into his mouth, my orgasm intensified and I flopped helplessly on top of him, my body bucking on his as he continued to slide his prick in my pussy. Then I felt myself falling to one side, his weight coming onto me as his cock thrust back into my pussy and continued thrusting in a deliriously slow stroke that drove me totally crazy. I know I was shouting and swearing, though I haven't a clue what I was saying, blast after delicious blast of ecstasy and bliss exploded through me as my father fucked me in a way I had never been fucked before, he ground his body on mine with each thrust, crushing my clit and increasing my pleasure until I thought I would die. As if from a great distance I heard my father cry out, his body bore down on me mercilessly and a sudden burst of heat filled me as he shot his seed deep inside me, but this time my father didn't pull out of me. Instead he began to thrust again, his cock still hard inside me, his breathing harsh and laboured in my ears as he leant his head on my shoulder. I must have deafened him with my cries of enjoyment, but all it seemed to do was make him fuck me faster and harder than before. Once again he crushed me delightfully with his body, his hot seed flooding into me as he came again, then, after a few slow thrusts, he pulled his slowly shrinking prick from my pussy and rolled off me.
God knows how long we lay there, it seemed ages before I could even comprehend what was around me let alone sit up and take note, but at last our bodies recovered and we sat up. I hugged my father to thank him for giving me so much satisfaction.
"We must do this again." I sighed happily.
"Give me half an hour and we will." Dad said quietly.
"Oh no, I didn't mean now!" I gasped looking at him.
Then I laughed as I realised that he was winding me up, he looked as tired and as satisfied as I felt, I knew I would have to return to my own room soon or my mother would catch us together, but I really didn't want to let go of him.
"Did you really mean what you said?" dad asked, "About doing it again that is."
"Whenever you want to." I smiled, "Why do you ask?"
"Oh nothing," dad grinned boyishly, "I was just thinking that I might take you to a restaurant somewhere and shove my hand up your dress under the table."
"If I was in a restaurant with you," I grinned back, "you can be sure I won't be wearing any panties."
A few weeks later my father did take me to a restaurant, one well away from where we lived of course, I wasn't wearing panties and he stuck his hand up my dress under the table, the waiter must have thought I was having a fit when I climaxed as he served the food.
Was this posted awhile back?
or did I read about another group that did this a few months or so ago?
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CLIT. Are you a memb
This is a VERY old story. Nonetheless, it is still quite amazing that a small town banded together to set up their own dsl server, DSLAM, servers, routers and all. I only wish that my neighborhood had done that. Of course, I am too lazy to organize.
--Ryv
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/09/124226 &mode=thread&tid=95
Deja Vu
There was a small town out in the panhandle of Nebraska that decided they needed good internet to keep all the young people from moving away. They setup DSLAMs out in the country to within a couple miles of every house in the county. They didn't have to fight phone company but they did have to run a lot of fiber.
I could have swore I read this so called news from a slashdot article a few weeks ago.
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That satelite still would have been cheaper for them and no i'm not talking about starband/direcpc type home user setup, I mean the buisness setups which are much nore reliable.
The greatest right given is the right to be wrong...
What is the big deal here ? I don't see what is so impressive about this. I am also surprised the phone company would give amateurs access to its facitlities. I hope they vetted these people first to ensure they were not terrorists!
Right now they're slashdotted down :)
Here's the google cache: linky linky
This *is* cool because it's geeky, but what makes it even cooler is that the people behind the scenes walk you through what they did to make it happen.
In their working against Qwest they had to settle a couple of issues. The include the forms and paperwork they used to make it happen and these can be used as a template.
What pushes this over the cool mode into the must read are the accompanying technical documents. They have network diagrams, monitoring statuses and more. It's amazing.
The best part of their site is a list of other communities have done the same thing.
The site is dynamite and is full of information! One of the best articles I have seen on Slashdot in a long time.
...that gets together and shows that they have a commercial or non-commercial project that is viable by the sheer weight of their numbers will win.
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Here's a link to the Ruby Ridge Internet Cooperative Association.
Or in plain text: http://www.rric.net/
It gives a lot of details on the setup and such...
Click here or here.
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You guys need to get a life. If you know when /. repeats a story. Geesh... Go get laid or something.
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Error FW-1 at iss1: Failed to connect to the WWW server.
Based on my current experience with a few ISP's, I hope the nature of this lends itself to more accessible technical abilities. I think too often communication goes from sales to support to the techs, and often even advanced users feel put upon because the chain of communication breaks down. Keep it for the people!
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This is almost as redundant as the 10 posts complaining that this topic has already appeared. Of course, while I'm writing to call attention to this 3 other people probably are as well, so this message is also redundant. Sorry to waste your time!
later,
Jess
I am programmed for etiquette, not destruction!
Ruby Ranch sets up the DSL, Slashdot effect takes it down...
I leave that tech-y stuff to the professionals.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
is the fact that it is slashdotted already. :)
Better pen up the cattle boys, I can see a slashdot brewin' up on the horizon.
I suddenly find myself wondering if this is the first barn slashdot has ever taken down...
A musician without the RIAA, is like a fish without a bicycle.
And for one last dig on Qwest, here's an often-heard Coloradoan joke: What's the difference between Qwest and Enron? About six more months.
--Chag
Do-it-yourself DSL is no pipe dreamb uz z.html
http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2002/0408net
It's even better than DSL on DL speeds. Though maybe more expensive in total for all the houses. But to say they had no choice other than 28.8 is probably a bit of hyperbole...
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
I also remember reading about these folks who made their own neighborhood 100 Mbps fiber network. The screenshot of the FTP download speed is just plain silly. The creator of the page even mentions "and 25-40 Mbps is possible most of the time - that means it is their single hard disk limiting the speed!". :)
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Oh bother.
Funny how this server doesn't seem to have held up as well as the iPAQ :-)
That standoff with the ATF (and its eerie similarity to the situation at Waco) hurt this community badly.
Old news or no, I'm still glad that someone stuck it to Qwest. I live in CO to and I don't know how well their service is in other states under their tyranny, but where I live 10 Miles outside of Colorado Springs you can't get anything from anyone outside of satellite. No isdn, no sat., no cable (*they* can barely deliver a clear picture) no nothing for any price. Qwest hasn't really expanded their DSL network much in about 3-4 years. I think I read somewhere that Qwest was considered the worst local telco in USA... =(
This'll be quite the barn burning ..
I've said this many times before, why are people in this kind of situation rolling out DSL? Why not just lay down new copper in the form of CAT5?
It's dirt cheap. I've done it. Just look at these pics of my neighborhood area network. Currently 10 neighbors share the cost of an internet connection. We also share stuff we've grabbed from kazza, we have a intranet that announces the happenings and events on our street. Very cool stuff. Basically each house has a switch, and we daisy chain houses so we don't run into the 600' Ethernet limit.
I can give a rat's ass about the AUP of my ISP because the question of packet ownership has to be asked. At what point do I own that packet? When I request a document from the web? When it hits my router? When it is on my copper?
People can do this themselves, it's not hard. In a rural area you just replace the AC transformer brick on the switch with a battery/solar panel combo every 600', or you could something that has a bit more distance to it like token ring. Yeah maybe this all sounds silly, but we're doing it out here in silicon valley and it's been working for the last year.
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About the Coop
The Coop offers DSL service to all homes in the Ruby Ranch neighborhood in Summit County, Colorado.
The Coop was founded in 2001 because no one offered DSL or cable modem Internet access in our neighborhood, and because the voice telephone service to the neighborhood is of such poor quality that it is not possible to get modem connections faster than about 26K bits per second. The Coop is a Colorado nonprofit corporation and is federally tax-exempt under 501(c)(12).
The Coop's History
The Coop has launched service.
By far the biggest challenge faced by the Coop, a challenge that dwarfed any of the Coop's technical and financial challenges, was gaining access to subloops from Qwest under the Telecommunications Act of 1996. (The subloops are needed to connect the DSLAM to the subscriber homes. The buried telephone cable in our neighborhood has some three times as many subloops as are actually needed for voice service, and the subloops we wish to rent are among the hundreds of spare subloops which otherwise would generate no revenue for Qwest.) The course of negotiations was such that the Coop found it necessary to file an informal complaint with the Federal Communications Commission and subsequently found it necessary to pursue arbitration before the Colorado Public Service Commission ("CoPUC"). In the arbitration, the CoPUC found that "all of [the Coop's] proposed equipment is compatible with the Qwest network," and that "Qwest is technically able to accommodate [the Coop's] proposal." The CoPUC found that the Coop is entitled to pay "wholesale" rates for the subloops rather than much higher retail rates. Finally, the CoPUC found that because the Coop will be providing only data services (not voice services) and because the Coop will be offering its services to everyone in its service area, the Coop does not need to be a CoPUC-licensed telephone company. (This is very good news, since being a licensed telephone company would impose prohibitive accounting and record-keeping burdens.) After the CoPUC's arbitration decision there were further negotiations with Qwest, and a signed Interconnect Agreement between the Coop and Qwest has been approved by the CoPUC.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Of cheap internet access. A while ago parts of the community came together to form The colorado internet co-op. In fact, if you look at the network diagram of this group, they use nettrack, which also has a connection to the co-op.
Some of the more prominant Unixers on the co-op board are Trent Hein, and Evi Nemeth (two of the authors of the USAH) was also involved. The CO-OP has played a nice part in keeping colorado up and wired.
Does anyone know whether that "about $450 per month" is the maximum charge? I guess they are about to find out. Sometimes I feel sorry for the slashdotted victims.
In other news, Microsoft is in trouble over X-Box adverts
Hmm, he must be a Qwest rep to post this story with a link to the cooperative's site. Easiest and fastest way to get back at those pesky consumers: Slashdot their new service!
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I think we're smart enough to find the google cache. Ok?
Ummm not unless you like a lot of latency. DSL is more reliable than satellite also, and its pointless to use satellite access if you are building a COMMUNITY ORIENTATED network.
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wow, them is some sour fuckin' grapes.
If it is, 12 poor DSL subscribers have likely lost their connection for a few hours... I wonder if they even know that they are victims of the Slashdot Effect?
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25-40 Mbps is 3 - 5 MBps my hdd transfers at between 35 and 40MB per second (in bursts), thats udma 100
udma 30 is about 10MB per-second.
That's assuming your not hitting memory buffers,
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Latency yes, but all of my cable stations (and all of my neighbors' cable stations) come over satellite.
Satellite mixed with a few good lines would work nicely.
Get your Unix fortune now!
The department I work in is trying to put a bunch of "local level" government offices on the Internet. We need broadband speed connections from their offices to our data center. Getting some type of broadband installed in many of these places is absolutely horrible.
In many of these places, there is just no way to send a 50MB file once a day in a cost effective manor. We just had Iowa telecom decide not to offer flat rate ISDN to us because it would be to expensive for them. This was when we called them a week after the promised install date to see why it wasn't installed! It took us MONTHS to get to this point. Would have been nice if they had a couple months ago (before quoting us a price and delivery time) told us they wouldn't do it. We have promised our customer a price and delivery date (which is now well passed.) Iowa Telecom (or whatever their name is) has now offered us a price for ISDN which is more than our promised total price to the customer.
It is hard to believe phone companies can get away with this type of service, or lack thereof. We have now starting selling the service with a bring your own internet access spin. We have missed deadline after deadline due to the fact we cannot get tcp/ip access to these offices at reasonable prices, at the delivery time we are told. We are a "full service" provider, but there is no way we can deal with this crap. I'm sure we are not alone.
-Pete
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No matter the woman, there's no substitute for a nice hot dick.
You really should read it. SA puts up some of the best pr0n on Slashdot!
HTH. HAND.
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A co-op for DSL! I love it. This reminds me of the Community Antenna Television co-ops that created cable TV. Too bad corporations turned that into a money grab scam. I used to get my electricity from a co-op before I moved, and service was cheaper and more reliable than from those crooks at Cinergy. If the co-op turned a profit, I got a profit sharing check at the end of the year. Someone has proven that neccesity is the mother of invention, not just the potential to get filthy rich. I wish all utilities were available from co-ops and not corporate robber barons who gouge me.
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I recalled this being mentioned on /. before. Glad to see that they were finally able to realize their goal! Now they can get the ultimate stress-test: a slashdotting :)
--Kylus
Idiot-proof something, and Life will build a better Idiot.
I guess the server is on their DSL line as well beacuse its been a Slashdotted.
-Vic
You can find a bunch more links & comments on this story here. Oops.
It's easy to make up & spread cool- and credible-sounding stuff. Finding & checking hard facts is hard work.
*nick
This is a cool story, yes, and an even cooler solution to an existing problem. But I think we (Slashdot) need to be a bit more responsible about thinking to sites like this. Can we possibly think that a rural network like this can sustain a Slashdotting?
Linking to the MSNBC story should be plenty to get the point across. Why waste these folks network?
PDHoss
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Gee, didn't I see this story somewhere before?
(BTW, check out Carl Oppedahl's comments to that story...)
We don't get a lot of lighting in silicon valley. Not to mention there are lots of things much higher than the cat5 that the lighting would rather hit first.
You don't have 50 karma, you lying fucktard.
Your posts are rated 1, not 2. You have less than 25 karma.
bitch.
"Contrary to popular belief, UNIX is user friendly. It just happens to be selective on who it makes friendship with"
... tens of millions of Slashdot geeks! If you squint, you can see the copper T1 glowing red hot!
On a more serious note, I wonder if mod_gzip and a faster server would help out at least a little bit -- make slightly better use of the limited thrput the T1 provides.
most vpn solutions don't work over satelite (2 ip's one for upload one for download) and alternative os's are often out. There are many reasons why splitting a couple T-1's via dsl drops is a good solution. Plus this way you have presumably more controll over your internet experience, eg need more bandwidth, call a motion and if people are willing to pay you get more. Code red got you down, block incoming request on the appropriate ports etc. Plus almost anything interactive sucks arse over satelite. Oh yeah and there is that monthly bandwidth cap and random slow as 56k speed caps etc.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Maybe someone should videotape and mirror the meltdown of the webserver!
It is high time I find out what a T1 costs and calculate the numbers and see what the people on my street think.
Maybe someone with some real education in this area can explain it better. Still, point is, you're probably best off running fiber between buildings to be safe.
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:o), Another 2 cheeseburgers at Burger King, or supporting a great company? You Cockeater.
Look Jon, rather than sitting there and counting down to the Delisting of LNUX from NASDAQ, why not do something about
it. I mean, why not got out and buy some stock in VA?
Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is and invest in this company. You can trade in LNUX stock right now for only $0.82.
Unless you cannot even spend a buck to save the company. BTW That is lees than that Fat Ass Sally Struthers begs for to feed the children.
Exactly! VA is down to only 205 employees, and planning to cut more jobs before the end of this quarter.Understand?
So, what is it going to be? Are you going to support this company and invest. Shit, look at the ads on the OSDN network. 90% of them
understandably promote other OSDN sites. We need to get those big pocket investors in here to buy adspace.
Contact the VA National Sales Director Eric Kazanjian eric.kazanjian@osdn.com, Voice: 650-551-0175, Fax: 650-551-0195, Mr.
Kazanjian can also be mailed at eric.kazanjian@osdn.com. Call and see what you can do, buy a banner stating YOU HELPED!
So, in conclusion
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Mod me down as Off topic but I needed to clear that up!
If we don't fight for ourselves no one will.
Aha! I've been happy with my cable service. I just didn't know I could be that happy!
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I worked on a project as a consultant a number of years ago... a town decided to wire itself. It was city government sponsored, and they had their own T-1, and were wiring homes with ethernet. Since then it appears that they've really expanded! I wish I could live there. :)Check it out!
http://web.rochelle.net/~city/
I guess I'm a knucklehead, the html formatting doesn't seem to be working when I preview. Ah well, you get the link anyway.
I wonder how much the monthly charge is going to go up just to cover that poor barn getting Slashdotted.
Elsewhere:
Authorities are looking into web-related assissted suicides and their connection with the Slashdot community. One of the most recent and haunting Slashdot-assissted suicides involves a poor distraught I-Paq being abused to run a webserver. The I-Paq posted on slashdot under its owner's username and linked to itself. The large community of thousands of members began surfing to the handheld and within the hour, the poor thing was dead.
In a related case, a webserver being kept in unfit conditions in a barn located in Colorado wrote in to Slashdot under a username suspected to have been stolen from one of its users. Once again, the chilling "Slashdot effect" has killed this webserver.
Members of the Slashdot community claim innocence, claiming that they all have a right to connect to the webservers linked to on the Slashdot site, regardles of the end result. In the words of one Slashdot member, "If my viewing of content on a site contributes to the taking down of that site, so be it. Especially if the webserver has posted about itself in the hopes that it gets slashdotted! If the server wants to die, it would go against its rights to not allow it to. I'm just helping the cause."
Zeke: Durnit! All of a sudden, the DSL got reeeaal slow, then it stopped altogether!
Ezekiel: Hmmm, my 28.8 connection seems to be connecting fine... let's just surf on over to Slashdot... OH MY DEAR GOD
"Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
Cause - You throw a dart at a map of the United States.
Effect - Much of the nation can't access broadband if they wanted to.
Solution - For the love of God, DON'T THROW THAT DART!
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From their FAQ, it really sounds like the biggest obstacle was the lack of cooperation from Qwest.
The Phone companies forget that they are public utilities. They are given certain privileges, not least of which is monopoly power, not so that they can turn a profit, but so that their service can do good for the community. The profit motive is just an incidental factor to encourage them to invest in providing that service.
Hats off to Ruby Ranch for having the moxie to get the thing done. I wish I could get 1.5Mbit SDSL for $60/month.
evanchik.net
That's just funky, to think that the source of one's DSL service comes from a barn. But hey, if it works...
Why invest in a company that is doomed because they fail to have a viable business plan? I have no interest in flushing money down the toilet - even if the stock is priced at 82 cents a pop. They should be de-listed.
But to say they had no choice other than 28.8 is probably a bit of hyperbole...
In most discussions of this sort the term "cost effective" or "acceptable" is implied, i.e. "they had no other cost effective (or acceptable) choice other than 28.8" is probably not hyperbole. Remember, satelites work for download, upload is still limited to what the phone line can carry, ie. 28.8kb, so satelite wasn't really a choice that would have addressed the problem of speed to their satisfaction (read their website for specifics of why when they systematically investigated the satelite option they rejected it).
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Ha ha, you got trolled. Sucker. Feed them and they get bigger and stronger.
Is Lariat.
Its basically a co-op out in rural wyoming that provides internet access, support, and other stuff to members of the community. Pretty interesting, really. Check out their FAQ, or their Clone Us page which has information on how to create your own local community network.
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- Hobbes
NT/WINDOWS 98 is their main server o/s!
check netcraft...
They will not permit any of their user/members to run any kind of server at home. Not even a "vanity" domain which generates little or no traffic.
If you look at their bandwidth stats,
who's gonna pay the bill?
According to http://www.rric.net/faq/speeds.htm, the subscribers pay for usage; slashdot users should be billed to suck up that much bandwidth, eh!
have you been defaced today?
This is an old story??? They went into operation on June 1st 2002! Thats 5 days ago! Did it have to happen today to not be conisidered an old story?
I've said this many times before
Yeah, and I've said this many times before:
READ THE FUCKING ATTACHED LINK YOU STUPID MORON
Oh, but it was slasdotted...
READ THE FUCKING GOOGLE CACHE YOU STUPID MORON
Oh, but I'm a dumb fuck still stuck on AOL and don't know what the hell I'm doing...
READ...oh wait. Never mind. There's nothing you can do about that. You have my sympathies.
There was an "I, Cringely" article about this last year. Nonetheless, it's still pretty damn cool.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/09/124226 &mode=thread&tid=95
... that none of the residents are chickenboner spamming trailer trash, or else their lil DSL link won't be worth the fight in the first place.
Anybody remember the last time this story was posted? It's definitely cool, but it's easy to check if the story has been covered before...
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to say they had no choice other than 28.8 is probably a bit of hyperbole...
I very much doubt that. I've lived in a rural area most of my life. Even though I was only about 8 miles from the CO, and on a fairly new all copper loop(1), with 56k capabilities on both ends of my connection, I was lucky to get more than 19.6k and never got more than 28.8k. PacBell is the high end for line quality around here, too, being the major carrier. There are a few parts of the county that are served by GTE, and they are much worse.
I'm guessing that you have never lived in a rural area. You wouldn't believe how bad phone service can be in areas where you can't open your window and spit on your neighbor. Universal Access is satisfied by only the most basic telephone capability on nasty, noisy lines, and the phone company only guarantees 4800 baud. My complaints about line quality were met with "you can get ISDN". I've since moved somewhere I can get DSL, but my mom still lives in the house I grew up in, and the situation hasn't changed a bit.
No, saying that they were limited to 28.8k is probably not an exageration, and is in fact probably a quite generous depiction of the service they were actually getting. It's quite possible ISDN isn't available to them, or if it is it's unreasonably expensive for the bandwidth it provides. If they're in a mountainous area there could easily be line-of-site issues that would prevent them from using one of the satalite based services. Line-of-site is also a problem for radio and microwave (despite what folks would like you to believe about cell phones, they do have LoS issues).
The MSNBC article says these questions are answered on the rric web site, but it seems to be barely limping along at this point.
(1) The new copper loop was paid for by 5 families (including mine) when our self-installed farm lines started getting sketchy about 7 or 8 years ago. It cost us $10k per family for 2 miles of line extension, plus a 3 year service contract with PacBell. PacBell made it a loop a few years later of their own volition.
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
The voltage difference between buildings over the same wires appear to be caused by the electrical load in one building being greater than the other at any time. The electrical resistance from the mains generates a voltage drop. Also, when dealing with the higher voltages, the current leakage due to capacitance and corona discharge add up greatly. It happens with 120 volts and becomes very pronounced with 480 volts. With 14400 volts from substations, this becomes a significant portion.
Its best to use fiber optic cable over large distances, unless you like to isolate the circuits and treat the chassis as possible live conductors. The voltage differences across one building can reach several volts. Over different buildings, I'd hate to touch the wires if the worst happened. I have seen 277 volts (one phase of the 480) make it through the ground reference before. If its copper from another building, beware! Don't touch!
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Stan: Why's this damn thing taking so long?
Kyle: Stupid slashdot crashed our DSL.
Kenny: MFFMFMMMFMFMMMFMM
Stan: Yeah, this movie of Cartman's mom's taking forever to download.
Cartman: That's it! Screw you guys, I'm going home!
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As if slashdotting some poor guy's PDA earlier today wasn't enough, the hounds behind slashdot, the worlds #1 DOS trigger, had to go take out an entire community.
Way to go guys!
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See this article from April 9th.
Nothing for 6-digit uids?
Rolling out a community network is a great idea and probably any network geek's dream. But DSL, oh my! Many wireless community networks have proved 802.11b is the perfect technology for this. These guys in Seattle are trying to cover the whole city and IMHO they're very likely to succeed.
So you want to roll out a network in a small city ? UseNoCat Auth for authentication, connect everything to the net, and already you'll be able to read slashdot while sitting in the middle of the street.
Trollem mirabilem hanc subnotationis exigiutas non caperet
They'll spend a lot of time keeping it patched, but if they're willing to, so what? It's probably NT 4, but that's not real surprising. Not everyone is a Unix/Linux admin. However, since it seems they have a good deal of cash, if they want ease of administration and security, the fast and easy road to a better server would be OSX.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
--I'd love to do this myself out in the boonies, but no idea what you really need in the way of equipment and software, etc to get started. I can operate a computer, duh, but besides that, does anyone here have a link to some newbie detailed info on accomplishing a task like this? Or just some ad hoc info on a basic setup, what you need? Assume zero prior knowledge on getting an actual isp setup and going.
Thanks in advance!
The MSNBC story, and the Coop's website, were really great reads. Thank you, Slashdot :)
I learned a lot about what really goes into a broadband connection, and I even went so far as to look up all of their equipment on ebay!
Old, but here it goes:
100 Mbps FTTH in my home.
I have 1 Gbps Internet access@home
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Anyone know if legislation exists in Canada that would give you access to the right pieces of the phone network? I'm working on building a co-housing community and this may be an option for us.
Brant
IT blows and sucks at the same time. I am running a cisco 675 with a small lan to boot. We have currently 512 down and 128 up. For some reason I am lucky if I pull 6k off of anything. Currently we only have 6 people on the lan during summer session(college). Qwest keeps telling me I must have done something wrong, or that the router is broken. Which I replaced at a cost of $100 off ebay only to find out our old router is not broken, it still continues with slow dsl and periods of outage. We pay $60 some dollars for barely better than dial up, but to provide a fraternity house with access it's the only way. I am senior Comp. Sci. major and preparing to take the CCNA this summer so I don't think it is anything I did to the router. Plus I have followed the instructions to a T to set up the initial config. I have better things to do with my time like work on code for my Senior Project than to sit on the phone with qwest all day and have the technician tell me I am stupid and assume i f'ed it up. You go to hell qwest you go to hell and die
So, rather than get ISDN at $100 per month, you spent TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS for a phone loop?
You do realize that the same 10 grand you spent would have paid for your ISDN for EIGHT YEARS, right?
Hey Taco! Looks like you're using the "infinite monkeys and typewriters" scheme to generate Ask Slashdots again...
The other day I saw something on The Discovery Channel or something similar. After they went back through the tapes of the regional weather radar and the satellite pictures and all that, they discovered that the lightning that hit a guy on a bicycle in Vail, CO, out of a bright, clear sky came from 10 miles away, traveling sideways over a mountain before it got to him.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
[insert Randy Weaver or Janet Reno joke here]
The decomposed body of civil servant Hidenori Iinuma was found the previous day by employees of a real estate company who were trying to move the freezer, apparently abandoned on the firm's property.
The body was clothed, doubled over to fit into the small freezer and covered with a blanket, police said.
Police arrested Akemi Iinuma, 40, on suspicion of murder. She had reported her husband missing in 1997.
You can't get ISDN on a farm line. You also can't get most of the other extra services, like call waiting and such. We had to spend the 10 grand for the phone loop before we could even have a chance at getting fleeced for ISDN.
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
A few of us set up a network using SDSL modems. 2 Megabits over a 20 dollar a month leased line (analogue/voice). We used Pairgain SDSL modems to do it, which made us all appear on the same net. The machine in the next room was no faster than my friends 4km away.
You have to be on the same exchange though, otherwisde your leased lines are not copper.
I moved recently, and sadly disconnected. I have the two SDSL modems if anyone is interested (1000 dollars for the pair)
Gary_howland@hotmail.com
What a pity that you could not quote the paragraph that you were talking about. Here's what our web page (http://www.rric.net/faq/speeds.htm) really says: "We will not, however, permit servers, at least not at first. We need to accumulate some experience with actual traffic levels and with our charges billed to us by our upstream provider. Any server that were to generate appreciable traffic would need to be paid for at a higher rate than the rate paid by other subscribers who merely check email and visit web sites."
Your question about why we didn't use satellite service is answered on our web site. See "Why don't you simply use a broadband satellite connection?" at http://www.rric.net/faq/nosatellite.htm .
For our Coop we have lightning protection at each end of each loop. At the DSLAM end we are using 16-volt solid-state fused protectors (described on our web site in the FAQ section). At each home we have the protectors provided by Qwest -- gas-discharge devices that trigger at 150 volts or so. Plus the cable is buried at all points (other than pedestals and end points) so lightning is less of a risk than it would be for above-ground cable.
These folks are fortunate that they had available loops to grab. I've been trying for months to get Qwest DSL. Qwest told me that my line wouldn't qualify because my second line was installed using a bridge tap and was interfering. I cancelled my 2nd line and asked for the bridge tap to be removed. Two weeks later I get a different story from Qwest that there are no unused pairs in my area so even though DSL is available just 2 blocks away, it will probably never be available in my area. No one ever mentioned whether anyone had removed the bridge tap as requested.
I live in a city of 50,000 people in Northern Arizona. It's a crime that Qwest can treat it's customers this way and that DSL is not universally available in a city of this size. It isn't just that I can't get DSL, I cannot connect at anything higher than 28k. I don't have words to describe how bad this is.