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[RNP]Venom writes "Now this is cool. Jacuzzi has a new "private" collection for people with too much money. Only question is do you prefer this Whirlpool Tub with a 42'' Plasma TV, DVD, and all the trimmings, or a more subtle tub with a 10'' screen, but jets that can do 30 Gallons per minute? Things like floating remote controls and underwater lightning are also included. Now all you'd have to do is mod the tub with a computer and wireless internet, and you'd never have to leave!"
underwater lightning
The rich always have it so good....
"Things like floating remote controls and underwater lightning are also included."
Underwater lightning? No wonder these things cost so much, the liability insurance must be insane.
Can't imagine sitting in a jacuzzi for over 2 hours watching a movie... you'd come out looking like a raisin.
...I'll procrastinate tomorrow...
"and you'd never have to leave"
Ok, maybe you never have to leave, but I do like clean water.
And, the occasional bodily outlets might clutter up those 30-gallon-minute pipes...
However, the whole setup does look gooooood...
-- Tino Didriksen / Project JJ
"I can see it now: 'Pink raisin found in tub, boy's whereabouts unknown'"
Think about how wrinkly you'd get after watching a movie in it.
Well, shoot. If it's not THX-Certified or doesn't carry the SDDS trademark for a superior listening experience, it's just not the Jacuzzi Enterntaiment Center I'm looking for :P
Freakin great until your kids jump in there one day and put their damn foot through your $20,000 TV set...
:-)..
Bah
Water and high-voltage electronics (eg, TVs) don't mix well in general -- have they found a solution?
...watch pr0n while you make pr0n!
Now, is it just me, or does the phrase "underwater lightning" send images into your brain of tons of rich people floating dead on the surface of their new hottub?
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I saw this thing on TV at some rich $!@#'s house, probably on "Lifestyles of the megalorich and bored fux0r$"
The biggest trick the devil pulled was letting lawyers become politicians so they can write the laws.
Obviously these were created by someone who was a serious Douglas Adams fan.
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
Now all you'd have to do is mod the tub with a computer and wireless internet, and you'd never have to leave!
Good thing that the NHP 200NC "case" floats (although not completely waterproof)... might destroy the look, though. Now if only I could fit this thing into my parent's basement... oh yeah, and could afford it.
There is this huge gap between the rich, and everyone else. Things for the rich are selling really well, while the rest of us are living in a recession.
:)
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People don't understand just how rich the rich are in the U.S. The incomes at the top are in the hundreds of millions of $$ per year. The top 5% own more than 80% of everything in the country. That means that 95% of us are trying to get along with 20% of everything. (If you have a mortgage, you don't "own" your house.)
The Bush tax cuts, which go almost entirely to the top 1% (and were opposed by 70% of the public), cost TRILLIONS of dollars over this decade. It means we don't have medical care, prescription drug coverage, repairs in the nation's schools, repairs of our bridges, and now they are even cancelling student loan programs. AND because of this the government is now using our SOCIAL SECURITY money to cover the money going out to the tax cuts. And this is because a few people at the top are making SO MUCH MONEY that cancelling this small tax cut would pay for all these things!
If people undstood just how much money is now being moved from regular people to the few people at the top they might start talking about doing something about it.
Troll or not, I am all for you.
o---- teh classisist!
(besides, if I hear one more spoiled rich brat bitch about only getting to go to disney land 'once' this year. . .
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I think someone got confused, shurely Designed exclusively for individuals with the most discerning taste should read: Designed exclusively for individuals with the most money.
Just because you can't, doesn't mean you shouldn't.
If you have a lot of money to throw around on products such as this, at least use some common sense...
Designed exclusively for individuals with the most discerning taste
This is the first line of the description of the product. This can be generally translated as follows:
"Created for, and sold to, people who think 'If it's expensive, it's good and therefore I need it.'"
Anything that suggests you have "discerning taste" when you buy it is just trying to lighten your wallet.
Everyone knows that when you're filthy rich you have everything custom built (and engineered).
;)
As the captain in the HitchHiker's Guide said after spending three years in theub, "One is never alone when one is with his rubber ducky."
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I don't know about you, but I'd much rather not sit in and have to use a toilet bowl large enough to hold several people.
I once shot a man in Reno 'cause they cancelled Firefly.
Jacuzzi has a new "private" collection for people with too much money.
I always thought that was what Athlon 2100s were for.
ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
Now I know why Bill Gates is trying to keep his monopoly going. The perks are great. Now if I could only move out of my parents basement...heheehe
Don't forget a water filter...
It seems like this would detract from the enjoyment of a movie (you would get cold and wet) and of the jacuzzi (you could not concentrate on the experience because of the damn movie).
I know there are a lot of rich geeks out there, but surely they will not be taken in by this, will they ?
What makes you think that just because they have
lots of money, that you're entitled to a single
penny of it? If the government didn't take
people's money by force, a whole lot more of us
would have more of it. Then we could afford to pay for our own schools and health insurance. Forced
alturism is just plain theft and you're just a
looter.
That would definitely give new meaning to "stinking rich"!
I asked my closed-source vendor about ubiqitous computing.
He answered "Oh no! You-not-be-quit-us!"
Your first two paragraphs are pretty much accurate. So what are you proposing? The government is responsible to tax the rich people into poverty so all of "us poor folk" can have rich people things too?
.) have kept on getting richer and richer with their nice cushy "consultant" jobs, but the city populous as a whole is getting fucked.
:p )
How about instead the government just cut the bullshit and stop creating make work for the rich?
My city has spent over half a BILLION dollars PLANNING on how to put down a mass transit system
Over the course of 10 years.
The committee members (hardly engineers, but all upper crust. . .
End corrupt administration, end favoritism towards the rich;
That sounds familiar -- wasn't that what they tried to do in Communist Russia? and China?
(and fuck the commies, they suck too.
It's not the federal government's responsibility to pay for your medical care or prescription drugs.
So if somebody spends 60+ years working their ass off caring for others and helping society improve and grow and saving lives and helping others;
they should just be left on the street to die?
Uh huh.
f-u-c-k you
And if you're counting on social security to live on when you retire, you're a freaking idiot.
Yah, those FAMILIES earning all of 20 thousand a year or so from both parents working 8-10+ hour shifts;
yah, I can just see how they have SOOO much money to spare.
Unless by some chance one of them GETS SICK, or the CAR BREAKS DOWN, or there is a STORM and something notquiteinsurancepolicyactivating happens to their house.
Then there goes their entire nest egg in one fell swoop. Or at least a goodly chunk of it.
People who work hard and then have bad shit happen to them should NOT just be considered "poor shit luck" cases and left to the winds, hell no. People who work hard to help out society should get something back from society.
And quite frankly they should get back a lot more then they currently are.
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we can have porn stars watching porn while making porn, and not have to leave the jacuzzi.
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tax the rich people into poverty so all of "us poor folk" can have rich people things too
Nonsense. Taxes are not "communism." In fact, responsibly taking care of our own people will PREVENT things like communism. Who is our country FOR, anyway? A few percent of income is not putting the rich "into poverty." How silly are you? And I'm not talking about "having rich people things", I'm talking about schools that aren't falling apart and health care. Like I said, who is our country for, anyway?
And if you're counting on social security to live on when you retire, you're a freaking idiot.
Why shouldn't I be thinking I'll get my Social Security? Until Bush came along Social Security was putting away HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars a year toward people's retirement - and that money was coming from OUR paychecks. Now it comes from our paychecks and is handed to the rich! Reagan started spending that money - Clinton fixed the problem - now Bush is spending the money. But with RESPONSIBLE leadership at the top, yes, I do think that the Social Security money will be there.
Is VA so hard up it's resorting to advertorializing for totally worthless junk?
Oh, and if you think the rich actually buy crap like this, do yourself a favor and read The Millionaire Next Door. Most millionaires would never say something like this is "cool".
Hmm..It is probably a troll to respond to a troll but if the first troll is mod'd up to a 2 I think it is fair.
Yes..Clearly the goverment and the rest of us are entitled to deprive these people of thier property through the use of force. I suppose the goverment should (at gunpoint) take 33% of all GPL source code away from us. It seems only fair. A line of code tax...Don't let the Dem's (or replublicans for that matter) get wind of it...
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it's not good enough for me.
I live in a giant bucket.
OK, so I don't REALLY want one, but I do wish I had enough money that I could waste $20K on one of these.
The dogcow says "Moof!"
You'd never leave, cause after you finnish watching say... the first couple episodes of your TNG collection you'd have passed out and drowned ;)
Sig? What sig?
You woudln't get cold, you use warm/hot water.
Secondly. it's for PORN YOU MORON. Why do you think its seats two?
I just don't buy into the "my problems must be caused by someone else" mentality. Being rich is not a sin. My success doesn't preclude yours. If you are a failure, my success is not your problem.
Surely there are actual examples of rich people who got that way by defrauding others, but this poster highlights no such example. Instead, we get a rant about how the Bush tax cuts are taking food out of starving mouths.
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that the top 1% of earners pay over 30% of all income tax. If you find yourself agreeing with Dr. Strawman there, the question you've got to ask yourself is, "Just how much do those rich people owe me?"
I've found that the answer "zero" correlates highly with success. Whether this is a causal relationship or not is still anybody's guess.
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Without taxes how would you be educated enough to make "more" money?
How would we fight the war on terrorism or even crime?
Society cannot run without taxes, it CANT, THE END. IF you want a taxless society, you'll have a society just as bad as communist russia was, where the upper class always stay upper class and the lower class always stay lower class with no way to ever get out of it through education or public funded programs to help the poor become rich.
Poor people NEED healthcare because they cant afford the drugs, if you want an example look at the deaths happening in third world countries, theres no healthcare in most of these places, do you want US to be like that?
Without schools, expect everyone in the US to be uneducated, look at the trailer park and the ghettos of south central, that will be the majority off the USA without public schools.
So what do you say? Should we get rid of taxes or raise them?
Considering society has more problems, why not raise the taxes to solve these problems? Better schools, War on terrorism, cure for aids, cancer, etc,
Yes it is our responsibility, meaning the poor and the rich, to do whats best for our people.
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I happened to meet someone selling these the other day at my work. Told me they cost about 30k$ and they sell about 12 a year(at least his place does). Apparently his latest install was to a football players house.
Wish i could afford one.
It's a response to a story about expensive new gadgets for the very rich.
Not everyone can be successful. What about the failures?
Just because you are successful and all your rich friends are successful, doesnt mean everyonne is or can be. Theres going to be failures, its your responsibility as a human, to make it so even if you fail, your life still means something, failures need to have SOMETHING.
Alot of people wonder how a person can suicide bomb, its usually a rich person wondering this, how about we look at life from their point of view.
Lets look at a third world country. Say you are from a third world country, all your friends have Aids, People only live to
age 30-35, your family members have aids, one of your kids starved to death and the other is sick, and You have aids. You see rich guys coming and taking away the natural resources so you cant hunt or live off the land anymore. Why not go suicide bomb them? What do you have to lose? You have nothing to lose.
How about we look at how life is for people in the USA? Say you live in the ghetto, you grew up with a single parent, barely surviving off welfare, you didnt get a good education due to shitty public schooling, what options do you have to survive? You cant live off a Mc Donalds wage, and thats about all you can get.
Here are your options.
1.Sell Drugs/Steal
2.Sell Drugs/Steal and Work at MCDonalds
3.Be Homeless
Because these people have nothing to lose they dont fear going to jail. Someone whos homeless or close to being homeless on the
street eating 1 meal a day, would be happy to go to jail and get 3 meals a day, weights, TV, and so on.
Do you see whats happening? You have to give people something, you MUST care about society, because if you dont, society will eventually collapse and destroy you along with it.
With lower taxes, more people become poor, why? Less education or lower quality education from public schools, no healthcare,
no social security, I mean with no social security people cant even look forward to retiring.
They have NOTHING.
The problem with not sharing the wealth is, as more people have nothing, society breaks down. You can only fill the prisons so much, you cant stop terrorists for ever. The solution, is to make sure everyone has SOMETHING to lose, what stops you from going to prison? Oh thats right, you might lose your house and all your possesions, you wont be able to do all those great things which a rich person can do, like go shopping, or sit in your nice hottub. You have something to lose being in prison
because for you life outside of prison is better than life in prison. If you keep lowering taxes, it makes life for failures not worth living at all, you think we have a problem with terrorists from afganastan? IF you get rid of public schools, society security, healthcare, welfare, being poor is to alot of people worse than being dead. Their options, commit suicide, or live life as a homeless person begging for food.
For every Winner, theres a loser, in order to keep society from collapsing, the losers have to continue to play the game.
Everyone must play the game, losers need a reason to keep player, if its winner takes all, the losers will stop playing, and
will do one of two things
A. Take from the winners
B. Destroy everything so no one has anything
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until you required de-pruning (see dilbert episode)
Why do people hate the rich? Is there something inherently evil about having a lot of money?
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The second one is such a bollocks shape you'd have to break your neck to be able to see the screen, and the first one looks like it's no more than a few inches deep.
What a rip-off, you may as well just get a decent jacuzzi and put a telly next to it. It would probably cost less as well.
I suspect this whole story is a hoax.
Why should the losers play the game?
Thats right, you are justifying suicide bombing, crime, etc, because hey if they have the choice of a life being homeless barly surviving, or a life in prison getting more than they get outside why not be a criminal? prison doesnt scare them if they have nothing to lose.
And why not be a suicide bomber if you have aids or your children and wife died from some disease like ebola and you have no family
When people have nothing left to lose, they stop playing.
You MUST MUST MUST, give everyone something, it doesnt have to be alot but at least give them healthcare, 3 meals a day, education, some kinda standard so people at least have hope, you remove all hope and they wont play the game anymore, society will collapse.
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Who really needs a 42" plasma screen and surround sound to watch porn in a hot tub?
No TiVo and no caffeine make me something something...
Antique clawfoot tub............$450
CD of the Wiener Philharmoniker playing Mozart's Requiem
A dozen or so candles $.....6
Time soaking in the tub *away* from video screens.... Priceless
If these were available 5 years ago during the dotcom boom we would all be able to get one on eBay for a couple of hundred bucks.
Follow this procedure:
1) Draw a venn diagram consisting of 2 sets.
2) label them 'the rich' and 'the poor'.
3) Note the lack of overlap.
4) Mark the positions in these sets of "yourself" and ""Bill Gates"
The solution to your problem should become clear to the mathemtically adept (if not , you can have a laugh at the pair of boobies you just drew).
A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
How long until someone ports Apache to their hottub, then posts the URL on /. so that the net traffic alone heats the water?
Not even when "emergency" occurs ?
OMGx2!
Thats usually first sign of a forming fetish ... =)
yush
Yeah, you said it, brother! What Clinton realized that Shrub and his papa never did is that when you put a little more disposable cash into the lower classes hands via healthcare cost reductions and less taxes, it still puts plenty of money into the rich people's pockets. What do you think we poor slobs do with our extra money after our bills are paid? We buy worthless shit that we don't need! The profits from which go back to lining the pockets of executives and shareholders of corporations that manufacture the products we buy.
That is EXACTLY why Clinton's financial policy contributed to the economic boon of the 90s (not the only contributing factor of course) and why Shrub and the rest of the silver-spoon Republicans will never, ever get themselves away from deficit spending. By cutting taxes mostly for the wealthy and cutting programs for the lower classes, thus bypassing the extra cash flow from the lower classes to the upper classes via disposable cash spending, our economy will never be what it once was.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Jesus needs one of these.
Kevin Fox
I suspect that this spa is wired a little better, but why not suspend the TV over the hot tub instead of in it?
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Things like floating remote controls and underwater lightning are also included.
Apparently, 'repeat customer' doesn't mean much to this company.
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Bill Gates , pre-"vaccinate the kids,we are the world communications counseling" era : "It's hard as giving out money as to earn it ."
When answering to "Why don't you give out more
of your vast wealth?"
Enough said.
As I have no reason for using a hot tub other than "quality time" with the missus, I think I'd have to pass on this model, regardless of cost.
Hated by those who goofed off in high school, didn't go to college, didn't finish college, or took some lame major (liberal arts, anyone?) in college...then spent all their time partying, doing dope, drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, got pregnant/got someone else pregnant, moved into a doublewide, bought a big screen TV to watch WWF, and now bitches an moans at all those nasty, awful rich folks who are just keepin' you down.
What are you TALKING about? Bush isn't bitching and moaning at rich people? He's PRESIDENT!
The first generation that received SS never paid into it. Think about that. It's literally a pyramid scheme based on population growth. The enormous SS taxes we pay aren't hanging around for us, they're already spent!
You might want to actually LOOK AT the numbers. Social Security is doing just fine. There is a very small shortfall that happens in about 38 years, and it happens FYI to be much less $$ than the Bush tax cuts during those years.
With terrorists and criminals from the ghetto, and trailor park biker gangs, and the mafia.
Look, its people who think like you, "be rich or die" attitude that makes people so willing to be a suicide bomber. Makes them willing to join a gang and rob people like you, makes them sell illegal drugs.
Just like you said, if its winner takes all, Why play by the rules?
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Very true, and of course what the rich republicans don't understand is that if they would only do it the other way around they would actually get richer. Yes they would be paying higher taxes but with more lower classes spending money they will make more themselves.
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"underwater lightning"
... I want to see how they implement this startling added attraction. In reading the small print I notice this device doubles as a self-heating soup pot and can make bouillabaise for 2,500 people in under ten minutes. :)
I agree, this is probably a feature most customers could live without
Get off my virtual lawn, you damned virtual kids!
To soak the rich of course
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What the hell did the "community" ever do for people like us?
No matter what you might think of democracy, community, charity, etc. you have to admit that spending public money to control epidemics saves YOUR ass as well as everyone else.
We ARE all in the same boat whether you like it or not.
The first community in the U.S., Jamestown, forced the rich to work because everyone had to eat, everyone needed shelter, and everyone had to pitch in.
Why should there be an overlap?
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
That has to be the best definition of envy I've seen in a long time.
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
Doesn't anybody remember quake 1??? Don't you remember what would happen if you tried to use the lightning underwater? I mean, this is pretty amazing.. .Can the whirlpool process the gibs easily or will they clog it up?
I hope people remember that to use the unterwater lightning to their advantage, there should be at least 2 other people in there with them.
"Now all you'd have to do is mod the tub with a computer and wireless internet, and you'd never have to leave!" Sure, easy to say if you don't mind looking like a prune!
The perfect place to settle down and enjoy the movie JAWS on DVD.
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No, but there is something evil about using political and economic power to take more money away from the not rich and therefore become more rich. That is what the poster was talking about.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
Nuke the whales, eat the hungry and buy more RAM.
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He who has too many gadgets along with his hot tub deserves to be electrocuted.
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Envy...pure and simple. Someone else worked hard, got rewarded, and is enjoying the benefits of making good decisions...therefore they are to be hated. Hate by whom?
Fuck no, I ain't envious.
Now what I _AM_ is pissed.
Pissed because I have to watch my grandmother suffer in pain when she walks around everyday because her money grubbing HMO does not consider her condition "life threatening."
Pissed off because the one last remaining public school in the city for children with behavioral disorders was shutdown so as that the district could make that years financial report look at that little much better.
and I am pissed because of all the rich ass fucknuggets out there who think that those little poor people should stop bitching and that life ain't that bad for them and that they are all just envious.
Fuck them and fuck you.
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i do plan on buying one of these..as soon as i figure out how im going to pay for that 4 million dollar mansion..ideas? ;)
But couldn't you also say that taxing corporations and rich people more would cause them to hire fewer employees and pay lower salaries to them?
This isn't an abstract argument. This is easy to check. Look at what happens when the minimum wage is raised, or when taxes are raised.
This is what Clinton did in 1993. Look what happened - the best economy ever. AND look back in history to whenever this has been done before - very high economic growth results.
Under Bush taxes have been cut and government services are being cut - and the minimum wage has slipped way down (due to cost of living increases without increasing the minimum.)
Furthure, you could also say that taxing corporations less would give them more money to pay employers or expand business.
OK, this is also easy to check. So is that what HAPPENS? Guess what, it isn't. Corporations have much higher growth when there is MORE regulation. Look it up. Not hard to do.
You have 2 choices.
You can support the losers, or its winner take all.
if its winner take all, no one can afford to be a loser, losing is worse than death.
Get my point? I whine alot? We'll George Bush whines alot, alot of people whine when 3 thousand people die in twin towers.
Stupid. I whine, afganstan whines, people in the ghettos and trailors whine, we all whine, except you, who has everything.
Look, face it, you are a classist, do you know what that is? someone who believes they are superior due to their class. Because you are successful, you feel you matter more than someone whos poor, keep thinking like that and you'll cause the destruction of the world.
Terrorism, Crime, not a problem for you yet? Well wait until you cant step outside your mansion without worrying about people trying to rob you.
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I've heard from my friends in the financial market (including several VERY sucessful stock brokers) that econmic inpacts from government take several years to show anything.
Anything that happened under Clinton either was caused by the previous president, or at the BEGINNING of his term.
We're currently seeing the effect of Clinton-lead government policy (and those attacks) in our economy.
Bush has little to do with it right now. Yell about it in 5 years.
FunOne
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But after maybe 2 weeks all the water would smell like BO and cat pee.
This is a really simple question that can be answered easily by anyone who has taken a macroeconomics course. You are making your money from other peoples hard work, so this is society's way (remember the government is not some nasty organization out to steal money it is "We The People") of saying "hey, you wanna milk us and reap the benefits of a Capitalistic Republic, fine pay your dues back to society".
Lets have a little quiz:
1. There is a flat tax rate of %20. Person A made $500,000 and paid $100,000 in taxes. Person B made $20,000 and paid $4,000. Who paid more?
A: Wrong!!! Person B. Why, cause everyone spends a certain amount money every year on food and insurance and utilities and many other bills that everyone shares. So now Person B may only have $4,000 to spend on things they want while A still has $388,000.
And dont try to say "well I spend all that money and pay even more sales tax!" because all that is optional spending and we all get that nice fixed sales tax rate.
There is nothing wrong with helping people.
I give more than 10% of my gross income to
charities! The point is that it's *my* choice! It
is wrong for anyone - you - the government -
society - *anyone* - to take what is mine at the
point of a gun for any purpose whatsoever. Even if you have good intentions it's still theft. You'll
do much better by serving the needs you see around with what *you* earn voluntarily. I do, so until
you're giving more than 10% of your income to help
the needy, don't you *dare* call me selfish or
greedy for not wanting to be robbed.
And I spent time in those "crap jobs" myself when I was in college. After college I got a menial, crappy sysadmin job. I worked hard, and now after 18 years of effort I am an Information Technology Director in charge of all the assets of a $1 billion local airline. I make over $125,000 per year. I live in a nice home, I have a wife and two kids, and I drive a nice car. I have enough socked away for retirement that I can retire early, pay for my daughter's weddings (when she's old enough), and to pay for college.
No one helped me do this. Nobody from "the community" gave me one damn dollar. I worked my way through college, did not get a scholarship OR a student loan. My divorced parents had no money and paid for nothing. I bought my own first car with money I saved working two summers on a construction site.
My point? I don't believe it for one second that it's not possible to become a success in this world. It is hard, yes. It requires perserverance, hard work, and good decision making skills. It requires discipline and maturity, something not many folks have these days. And those that lack it always blame others for their misfortune. I'M NOT BUYING IT. It's full of crap, a "get out of jail free" card for the lazy and irresponsible.
I'm NOT special. I'm not some super genius whiz kid who graduated college at age 12. I didn't come from a silver spoon home. I'm not a trust fund baby. I didn't take advantage of any good 'ole boy networks to get where I am. I *am* where I am because *I* made it happen. I DIDN'T wait for luck to come calling, I went out and MADE it happen. If *I* can do it, anyone can do it. And I am damn well entitled to enjoy the fruits of my labors without being given a guilt trip by the damn "less fortunate" out there.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Regardless of who's statistics you look at, the truth is irrefutable: Social Security DEPENDS on the concept of todays worker's paying for today's retirees. The problem is, in the next 10-30 years there will be many, many more retirees than there will be workers. The simple law of supply and demand says that if you have more consumers than providers, one of the following MUST happen:
1. Benefits will be decreased.
2. The eligibility age will be increased.
3. Taxes will be raised.
Social Security DOES NOT WORK under the circumstances it is soon to be in. The rate of return on your dollars invested is lower than the absolute LOWEST PERFORMING mutual fund you can possibly find.
Also, your blaming Bush for the current ills is somewhat specious. First off, there's such a thing as economic inertia. Bush cannot snap his fingers, sign a bill, and put the economy into a tailspin (or revive it, for that matter). These things take time. If you prefer some unarguable figures, go to www.omb.gov and note that the "largest peacetime economic expansion in history" did not begin under Clinton, or even Bush #1...it began under Reagan! In his second term, not his first! You cannot argue these figures, they are true! The corrollary is, Bush #2's decision to lower taxes and/or give refunds may have SHORT TERM negative implications but long term POSITIVE results. If you've ever done any investing you know that to get the biggest gains you generally have to deal with negative growth for the first few quarters or years. If you don't know this, you've obviously not spent as much time RESEARCHING economics as you have spent SMOLDERING about Bush.
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I understand. Everything GOOD with the economy came from Reagan and now Bush. Everything BAD with the economy came from Clinton.
Got it. Understood. Wakarimashita.
Also, looking over historical charts that show the stock market ALWAYS doing much better under Democrats - that's ALWAYS from the preceeding Republican presidents.
And looking over the historical charts, showing that Democrats ALWAYS lower deficits or balance budgets, that's ALWAYS because of the preceeding Republican presidents - and Republicans ALWAYS increase deficits and debt, that's because of the preceeding Democrats.
Got it.
$125,000 a year isn't even NEAR what we're talking about here. You aren't even getting the tax cuts, dude. You're paying INTO Social Security and that money is being used to GIVE the tax cuts to those WAY above your pay grade..
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Regardless of who's statistics you look at, the truth is irrefutable: Social Security DEPENDS on the concept of todays worker's paying for today's retirees.
Actually you don't seem to know much about it. It is NOT financed by current taxpayers. It is financed by the money we set aside - OUR money pays for our RETIREMENT. Social Security has a multi-trillion dollar surplus built up.
Under Reagan, (after he cut taxes for the rich and there were huge deficits resulting) they pasSed a huge Social Security tax increase (which made the deficits look lower). Since then this surplus has been building up. Since then it is OUR money being set aside for our own retirement. (Which is why it is so bad that Bush is spending that money on tax cuts for the rich.)
If you prefer some unarguable figures, go to www.omb.gov and note that the "largest peacetime economic expansion in history" did not begin under Clinton, or even Bush #1...it began under Reagan! In his second term, not his first! You cannot argue these figures, they are true!
If you stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh and did your own research you would know that there was a big recession in 1991. That eneded the Reagan expansion (which started after the Deficit Reduction Act tax increases in 1984 by the way.)
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This shows how little you really know about the tax system. With my income and stock assets put together I reside in the absolute highest tax bracket there is. As a percentage of my income I'm paying about double what the lowest bracket is, and let's not EVEN get started on the actual dollar amount (around $50K per year) that I pay in just federal taxes.
You're absolutely right I'm not getting the tax breaks. Neither are those much, much richer than I am. We're all those nasty, eeeeeeeevil, awful, dirty, mean, terrible, run-over-old-ladies-and-children-just-for-fun rich folks that are keeping everyone else down. Never mind that we pay around 40% of all federal income taxes in existence while we constitute around 1% of the population....we're not paying (weeping, whining voice -- ALL TOGETHER NOW) OUR FAIR SHARE!
Bullshit. Total, indescribable bullshit. I'm paying far more into the system than I can ever hope to reap. In fact, I'm only paying to subsidize those are in the lowest income bracket, as many of them pay no federal taxes at all due to Earned Income tax credits (a Clinton invention). So you just go right on blaming us horrible rich folks for being one notch below baby killers...we're used to it. I, for one, refuse to feel guilty because I'm well off. I work hard for it, and damn it I deserve what I've got. I will begrudge NO ONE their right to enjoy what is theirs, and if you weren't so damn green with envy you'd see the illogical fallacies that you keep on spouting.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Actually you don't seem to know much about it. It is NOT financed by current taxpayers. It is financed by the money we set aside - OUR money pays for our RETIREMENT. Social Security has a multi-trillion dollar surplus built up.
Your level of ignorance on this subject is absolute amazing, nothing short of a collossal poke in the eye of logic. YOUR money today DOES NOT go into some special account JUST FOR YOUR RETIREMENT! It goes into a general fund that has lately been referred to as the "trust fund". The dollars you are paying in today are being paid out to those who are retired or retiring today. YOUR money is going TO SOMEONE ELSE. You, assuming that you're of college age, will not be able to draw upon SS for at least another 35-40 years, at which time SOMEONE ELSE'S dollars will be paying for your retirement. The figures are there, the process is available to anyone who cares to go to www.omb.gov and look up where the government's money goes and where it comes from. Given your striking level of misunderstanding of this system, I can only assume that you've never, ever, EVER bothered to research any of this, and you are going on pure, unadulterated hatred of the wealthy. Typical. Pitiful, but typical.
If you stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh and did your own research you would know that there was a big recession in 1991. That eneded the Reagan expansion (which started after the Deficit Reduction Act tax increases in 1984 by the way.)
Ah, yes, the tactic of "The Big Lie". Big recession, heh? Go check www.omb.gov, the organization that keeps the books for the entire nation. Facts of GDP growth, income levels, and tax revenues are available for at least thirty years. If you have the balls to do it, check the site. You'll note that during 1991 we had two consecutive quarters of economic shrinkage. Just two. It meets the technical definition of a recession, but only barely (the tech. def. is two consecutive quarters of negative growth). You'll also note that the economy started growing again BEFORE Clinton actually took office. You've gotta hand it to Clinton, he's so damn good he can turn the whole U.S. economy around BEFORE he even set foot in the Oval Office.
Of course, that's pure tripe. Clinton did NOT turn the economy around. He just happened to be "on watch" when it happened. Democrats love to capitalize on this, and you've obviously swallowed it all like a cheap whore in heat. As I said, you probably don't have the guts to actually check the figures. If you did, you'd see you were wrong. Of course, you don't care about facts, logic, figures, or any of that other crap, you just want to hate Bush and rich folks, and nothing is going to stop you, is it?
BTW, I don't listen to Limbaugh. Unlike you, I'm capable of arriving at an opinion without being told what to think by someone else. Unlike you, I actually have researched the subject and drawn my own conclusion. Unlike you, I've engaged my brain instead of my emotions. I don't know why I waste my breath -- you won't check the figures, and if you do you'll just dismiss them as propaganda (never mind that Clinton's OMB came up with the very figures that I'm quoting...must be more of that vast right wing conspiracy, eh?).
If you'll check the figures, you'll see you're wrong. But you won't check, will you? It's easier to believe your fantasy. Go on doing that. Perhaps you'll grow up soon and discover that sometimes the truth is ugly, but it won't go away just because you refuse to see it.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
That NO one is in poverty, and that everyone has a fair chance.
This means no one should ever starve, even if they dont have a job everyone deserves shelter, and food.
This means no one should ever be denied education no matter how old, if they cannot afford college they should still be given some other chance.
Lastly, welfare SHOULD exsist, but in a diffrent fashion, perhaps instead of welfare, public shelters with paid empoyees who help the poor, and help raise children etc
this way people cant be on welfare and take the money and use it to buy drugs, or something stupid.
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Take this from a larger perspective. You claim that you pay far more into the system than you can hope to reap. So you may never get back that money back directly, but that doesnt mean you are getting no benefits. Im not talking about the stuff taxes pay for either.
Im talking about all those people who work for pidly wages so you can have a larger wage. You are making money off of those people, and Im not blaming you for sapping their wages or anthing like that either. But at the same time you were and still are supporting those higher up on the chain. And even more important those people recieving that EIC are supporting you. This whole system is hooked together.
Just remember that everyone feeds of off everyone else. And before anyone starts bad mouthing people having to recieve money from the government, remember that they, not your boss, are who are making your wages possible. And I will guarantee that they will generate far more income in their life than what the government (or you) gives them.
Ill also re-emphasize my original statement (posted before I registered) that there isnt enough money to make everyone rich. Someone will also work damn hard and get paid next to nothing, but someone has to do it. Even if everyone on the whole planet knew how to program a computer, build a space shuttle,and perform brain surgery, some people will still have to get paid nothing for farming or making shoes or working in a sweat shop.