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Live via Satellite: NATO Aerial Surveillance Video

Factomatic writes "The BBC is reporting 'NATO surveillance flights in the Balkans are beaming their pictures over an insecure satellite link - and anyone can tune in and watch their operations live.' All you need is a satellite dish. John Locker tapped into the NATO aerial surveillance feed over the Balkans from England and has been e-mailing, faxing and calling NATO since November to get them to fix the problem. NATO denies it is a problem at all. I wonder if this would work in Afghanistan, too?" No, the article notes that Afghanistan is taking up all the secure communications bandwidth, and operations in the Balkans are getting kicked over to unencrypted channels. We ran an older story about the military's growing bandwidth crunch.

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  1. hello by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: -1

    It's been 3 days since I've been back on my feet after my anal correction surgery. The doctors told me they have corrected as much of the damage as they could. I think I will get used to having to wear diapers the rest of my life, things could be worse. At least I am still alive, and I can still breathe the fresh air, smell the blossoming flowers, and hear the chirps of courting birds on a spring day. Although my life is much different now, I have the willpower and confidence to move on.

    My name is Rob Malda. I got anally feltched too hard.

    I remember the night like it was yesterday. Another fun and energetic Saturday at the discotech in the gay corner of town. I was being my normal flamboyant social butterfly self and talking to all the local cuties. There were a lot of muscly guys there and I must tell you the scent of raw, homosexual energy at the discotec always made the hair on my neck (and other places) stand erect. But there was this one guy who really stood out in the crowd. I would later discover his name was Jamal. The first time I saw his glistening ebony skin at the discotec I knew I wanted him inside me. I've always been good at picking up guys so I walked in my sharp female way, swinging my ass at each step, until I was right in front of that sexy piece of chocolate cake. He had short, frizzy hair, teeth whiter than milk, and a friendly smile that was out of this world. Man, I wanted his dick in my ass so bad. But I had to keep my groove. I said to him in my well crafted lisping tone, "Hey sweetie, I've never your sweet ass in these parts before, want to join me for a drink?" He smiled and replied in a deep yet touching voice, "Heh heh, I sure would you little sex muffin"

    This really hit it off from there, We talked and danced and flirted like schoolgirls. I found out he was from a town a few hundred miles away, visiting the big city for a little fun. He had muscles like you wouldn't believe, obviously worked out a lot, I felt like a little strawman compared to him (I'm fashionably slim). I was on top of the world, the envy of every boy at the place, a star. When we were resting from the thumping disco-house music, I asked Jamal if he wanted a bump of crystal meth. He gladly accepted, telling me that in the town where he came from it was hard to find good crystal. I took a bump myself. My nose is no stranger to this wonderful stuff! The energy from the crystal really made us move. His dancing skills were on par with mine (which are excellent, I have danced in a couple of small Broadway-style plays before). I was really getting hot and horny at this point though, I knew we had to find a quiet spot of our own.

    We walked very quickly to the bathroom; I couldn't keep my hands off his lucious abs. We found an empty stall and stormed into it, it was a whirling hurricane of passion. The speed made us very energetic. We didn't make out for long before things became hot and heavy. I slipped my hand into his tight leather pants and grabbed his sweet man package. I was thinking at this point 'how did a firehose end up in here?'. Then I realized this was his cock. It was the longest, thickest anaconda of a cock I ever witnessed. I pulled down his pants, which was difficult because he was getting real hard, real fast. I don't even want to guess how long his penis was, at least 12 inches, maybe more. And it was so think I couldn't even grab around it all with one hand. His cock was sweaty and glistened. I wanted this black staff real bad. I pulled off my own pants and bent down. I stuck the head of his cock in my mouth but it was just too big. I licked the rim a bit but I knew what I REALLY wanted. I turned around and assumed the position I have assumed so many times before. Face down, ass up. That's the way we like to fuck. My anus was not prepared for this brutal thrashing however. I've always described the sensation of anal intercourse as taking a long, incredibly enjoyable shit. But this didn't feel right at all. The walls of my anus were ripping, "PLEASE! Be gentle! I'm just a little white boy" I screamed. Jamal, fueled by crystal meth, wouldn't stop though. He began pushing his black cock into me harder and harder. The pain and pleasure was out of this world. I could feel his huge testicles smacking the back of my ass. He was grunting and groaning like a real man. I could hear the sensuous sound of blood and shit being packed by his violent fucking. I was in immense pain but I didn't want it to stop. He must have fucked me for 45 minutes before it was over but finally he began to cum. He was screaming so loud, "OH OH OH OH OH MY GOD, YES YES YES, TAKE IT LIKE A MAN, TAKE IT LIEK A MAN, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! OH YEAH!" At that moment I felt a gallon of cum spray into my ass, and I could hear shit, blood, and semen squishing inside me. It was paradise.

    After Jamal removed his penis from my ass the problems started. I realized I was bleeding a lot more than usual. It took a whole roll of toilet paper to clean it up. I got dressed and returned to the discotech to unwind before going home. As I was walking across the dancefloor I felt a sharp pain in my ass and lower stomach. I fell to the floor and started screaming, I was shaking and sweaty and pale. At that moment, a huge surge of watery shit spewed from my anus. It was mixed with blood and semen. I was crying and screaming and in pain. Everything started to go black and I vomited all over myself. I briefly remember someone pulling me out of my pile of feces, semen, blood, and vomit and on to a stretcher.

    I awoke in a hospital bed. A doctor was there when I opened my eyes. He explained to me how I almost died and how my ass and lower intestine were permanently damaged not only from Jamal but also from years of vigorous fucking by multitudes of men. It was a shock but I knew it was my own fault, you cannot lead this sort of lifestyle and not face the consequences one day.

    So life goes on, I no longer frequent the discotec where I met Jamal and then collapsed spewing watery shit. I lead a much more relaxed, normal life now. I still talk to Jamal, even though he damaged me I will never forget that night. He is in love now with a boy in his hometown, and I wish him the best.

    1. Re:hello by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: -1

      oh yeah, just to point this out... I got first post

      Propz to my 8 inch penis, and CLIT

  2. Now N.A.T.O. can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    read this.

    FIRST POST!!!

  3. I wish... by Antonio+Banderas · · Score: -1

    they would surveil my beautiful latino ass.
    CLIT

    fp, NAH!!!

  4. whahaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    how long until somebody starts a webstream of this stuff? that'll beat webcams any day of the week.

    1. Re:whahaa by LWolenczak · · Score: 2

      fuck yeah... I'd give it about a week... somebody is now setting it up.....

    2. Re:whahaa by zh3n · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now if they could just stream the audio from the special forces in the caves, we would be set. G.I. Joe - Hello arabs, all your cave are belong to us! Amir - What you say?
      G.I. Joe - Launch zig!

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    3. Re:whahaa by Elbereth · · Score: 2

      For great justice!!!

    4. Re:whahaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We get webstream!

    5. Re:whahaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      how long until somebody starts a webstream of this stuff? that'll beat webcams any day of the week.

      Finally starting to get bored of waiting for camgirls to flash their boobs, eh?

    6. Re:whahaa by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      It's just something to do during that "male refractory period".

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    7. Re:whahaa by Procrasturbator · · Score: 1, Funny

      Damn, it's JennyCam all over again. TAKE YOUR TOP OFF, OSAMA!

    8. Re:whahaa by TrollBurger · · Score: -1

      Thankyou for generating Slashdot autoresponse #298

    9. Re:whahaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      4 people did not read the article
      -4 The BBC have, it's in the main text
      mods -1 each, you should read the fucking article.

    10. Re:whahaa by iamplasma · · Score: 2

      Well, I think I know who hasn't been reading the article. If perhaps you had in fact done so before flaming others for not reading it, you would know that links to the BBC TV story (in realmedia format) on this. It is not a webstream of the footage.

      So, next time I suggest you actually do read it before flaming others for not reading it.

  5. dude, you're getting a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FIRST POST

  6. First Post!! by zh3n · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    w00t! Of course, by the time this posts, I will be #23000 in line because all the other slashdottians like me will want first post too... Hrmm, then I will get (Redundant: -1). There goes my karma :-P

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  7. Hrmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    guess it's equally entertaining when the spice channel is unavailible....

  8. NATO denies it is a problem at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe what they broadcast are fake operations to confuse adversaries?

    1. Re:NATO denies it is a problem at all by Herstel · · Score: 1

      Maybe what they broadcast are fake operations to confuse adversaries?

      Hmmm... I don't think so; the interested party also run radars, and knows his territory as well. It's hard to fool them that way.

  9. Slashdot is dying by Cryptopotamus · · Score: -1

    Give slashdot some more of that bandwidth. cause it's dying.

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  10. So? by NickRob · · Score: 3, Funny

    It won't be on for long. It's ratings are horrible.

    1. Re:So? by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 1

      ...but still better than geeks in space's ratings!

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  11. +1 Informative by handybundler · · Score: -1









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  12. Maybe they don't care... by wadetemp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... because they're bogus feeds designed to throw someone off?

    1. Re:Maybe they don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You made sure to use different words, but your post is still shamelessly ripped from an AC above you. Leech.

    2. Re:Maybe they don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the most assanine thing I've read on slashdot all day!

      At 11:43pm too! That late in the day is must be a record.

    3. Re:Maybe they don't care... by unclelib · · Score: 0

      Agreed. These guys are not morons -- they know what they are doing. If this had been an unintentional security lapse, the problem would have disappeared very quickly, considering the article says that intelligence authorities were alerted a while back. It leads me to think that perhaps this is not such a big deal as it initially seems, and perhaps these images are purposely being put out there to throw someone off track.

    4. Re:Maybe they don't care... by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 1
      Agreed. These guys are not morons --

      Maybe, maybe not. But even the best generals have been known to make short-sighted and down-right stupid decisions. Signals Intelligence people are no different. [Nor is anyone for that matter, military or civilian.]

    5. Re:Maybe they don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, truth is somebody in the military suddenly had to suddenly find a semi-plausible use for all those X10 spy cams he bought, since they were discovered before he managed to install them in the women's barracks.

    6. Re:Maybe they don't care... by sean23007 · · Score: 1

      Maybe they don't care because the video they're showing just doesn't matter. I mean, what can people actually do with the data they get from pirating the video stream? In the Balkans? I mean really, who cares?

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    7. Re:Maybe they don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Exactly it's called get a fucking life you're not james bond you're just a channel surfing lay about who bought a giant satellite dish to make up for having a minuscule pecker. Get a fricken life please.

    8. Re:Maybe they don't care... by OracleX103 · · Score: 1

      I mean, what can people actually do with the data they get from pirating the video stream?

      Yeah, really. I can see this now, little balkan 6 year olds telling their mothers "Look mommy I see daddy on top of that hill over there!! I don't think that it matters if whoever we're watching can see it on TV. They probably can see or hear the plane too.

    9. Re:Maybe they don't care... by Herstel · · Score: 1

      Agreed. These guys are not morons -- they know what they are doing. If this had been an unintentional security lapse, the problem would have disappeared very quickly, considering the article says that intelligence authorities were alerted a while back. It leads me to think that perhaps this is not such a big deal as it initially seems, and perhaps these images are purposely being put out there to throw someone off track.

      I agree, mainly because of political conditions over there; the war is over in Balkans, the point of NATO involvment was to remove Milosevic's troops out of Kosovo, to stop genocide over Albanians. After military intervention they all got democratically elected presidents who comply with UN standards on minorities etc. The only enemy was crazy Milosevic, noone else. It is very different than the situation in Afganistan right now. In Afganistan there is a war going on, while in Balkans it's all over, the only enemy Milosevic who was giving headache to all of his neighbours and domestic populations as well, is ousted from Kosovo, and he is in Den Haag, sitting in his little cell. There is nothing to hide anymore, the war is over, three years ago. No more enemies, nothing to fear by a domestic army which is loyal to the new president.

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    1. Re:Big 600!! by handybundler · · Score: -1

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    4. Re:Big 600!! by YourMissionForToday · · Score: -1

      You win, dude. Keep posting Mr. Goaty, and enjoy this slspecial tribute to Big Ass Spork !!!

  14. Behind Enemy Lines by bryans · · Score: 0

    This story reminds me of the movie..

  15. "Hi Timmy!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "I'm Tommy"
    "Oh, well eat your breakfast, your mother said you should eat healthy before 8"
    TOMMY DRINKS JUICE
    "I wonder where that brother of yours is"
    TOMMY ARCHES EYEBROWS
    "I'll go get him"
    TOMMY CHANGES SHIRT. WE SEE TIMMY'S DOOR LOCKED WITH A CHAIR IN FRONT OF IT. HE CANNOT GET OUT.
    "Hey Tommy! Let me out!"
    TOMMY THEN GOES AND DRINKS TROPICANA BLENDS FRUIT JUICES. IT IS REVEALED THAT THEY ARE DELICIOUS AND NUTRIOUS AND TASTE GOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE FRUIT BLENDS. TOMMY THEN DECIEVES HIS GRANDMOTHER IN ORDER TO GET MORE JUICE.
    "I wonder if your brother Tommy would like some juice"
    TOMMY ARCHES EYEBROWS THEN EJACULATES INTO HIS EGGS.
    "Oops."
    "Timmy! YOu are sucks!"
    TOMMY IS THEN DISOWNED AND COMMITS SUICIDE. WE THEN SEE THE TROPICANA BLENDS JUICE BOXES BEFORE WE FADE TO BLACK.

    Drink TRopicana!

  16. IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Just say no.

  17. Re:Now N.A.T.O. can love Daddy by xdfgf · · Score: -1

    Her body throbbed. She stopped the car in the driveway and
    shut everything off. A tiny whimper popped from her smeared lips
    and she sank into the seat for a moment. Her pussy pulsed inside
    her soggy panties. She squeezed her thighs together, thinking
    about the hard cock that rammed into her hungry hole only a few
    minutes before, pumping a gusher of hot come into her cunt.
    Finally swinging her high heels to the concrete, she locked the
    car and crossed to the stoop and paused.

    Her fingers searched her purse for a moment and then
    extracted the translucent latex. Her long fingers weighed the
    milky contents in the yellow porch light. A tingle ran though her
    as she remembered his jerking cock filling the rubber with his
    first load of come. She made up a story about no pills and he had
    consented to use the rubber.

    She shivered and hurriedly untied the knot in the tube and
    holding the top open, sniffed the pungent odor of come. For one
    final minute she looked at the thick, still warm liquid then she
    tipped the rubber and poured the love juice into her open mouth
    and rolled it slowly on her tongue. The tangy flavor permeated
    her palate and she held the still warm love juice captive in her
    mouth.

    She unlocked the side door and stepped inside. Holding the
    strong flavored come in her mouth, she paused and listened. The
    soft sounds of the TV bobbed through the house. She crossed the
    kitchen and paused in the dinning room. He was sitting nude on
    the carpet, his eyes fixed on the TV screen. The VCR whirred
    softly. On the TV screen, a large cock plunged slowly onto a
    hairy pussy and slowly pulled out to the head. She could see his
    hand stroking at his lap as he gazed at the fucking on the
    screen.

    Her high heel clicked on the narrow expanse of bare floor at
    the dinning room floor. His head swiveled and he smiled at her.
    His fingers were circling the head of his rigid cock, slowly
    massaging the head. For a moment she gazed at his swollen cock,
    the purple head appearing between his thumb and fingers then
    disappearing. Her slushy cunt pulsed and she almost swallowed the
    mouthful of come. She crossed the room and stopped next to him.
    He stared up at her expectantly.

    "Did you bring me something?" he asked.

    She nodded slowly and bent down. He tilted his head and
    their lips met. Parting her lips, she let the warm thick come
    slide from her mouth and into his open mouth. A low groan escaped
    his throat and his tongue probed her open mouth, scraping the
    dregs of the come from its hot wet corners. As she ground her
    lips against his, her nostrils flaring, her body began to heat
    up. Her hand found his jerking cock and pull his hand away and up
    under her skirt. Her knees bent and her thighs parted as she
    guided his strong finger up to the crotch of her panties and
    clamped her thighs around his hand. His fingers clawed at the
    soggy nylon.

    Tearing her mouth from his, she gasped, her breath coming in
    raspy rushes. He gazed up at her, licking the traces of come from
    his lips. His fingers pulled the nylon band aside and slushed
    into the oozing hole it covered. He stirred her cunt, rolling her
    clit and driving his fingers deep inside her molten cunt. He
    pulled his dripping fingers from her crotch and out from under
    her skirt. Looking into her passion glazed eyes, he lifted his
    coated fingers to his mouth and licked the combination of come
    and cunt juice from them.

    "You like the taste of come, don't you Daddy?" she rasped.

    "And pussy juice."

    "But you like come." Her eyes were slits and she pushed her
    own hand up her skirt and dug into her drooling pussy with her
    fingers. "You like sucking come first hand out of a cock!"

    He looked at the lust distorted face of his oldest daughter
    and smiled. She was very much like her mother. Hot pants! He
    could see her slender fingers plunging into the gaping opening of
    her cunt as she coaxed him and teased him.

    "Yeessss!" he hissed. His hand had found his throbbing cock
    once again and stroked it as he gazed at his daughters distorted
    face.

    "You'd suck off your own son if you had one. It would turn
    you on if this was a cock instead of a cunt, wouldn't it!"

    He nodded. He dropped back on his elbow, almost lying down
    and watched her as she finger fucked her self and worked them
    both into a impassioned frenzy.

    "But you like to suck pussy just as much as you'd like to
    suck a cock." Her voice was a bare whisper.

    She fixed her eyes on his eyes and licked her lips. Pausing,
    she unzipped her skirt and dropped it to the carpet. She rolled
    her panties down almost to her knees and spreading her white
    thighs, opened the lips of her pussy with the fingers of one hand
    and rolled the swollen knob of her clit with the fingers of her
    other hand.

    "Watch me, Daddy! Watch me jerk my pussy off!" She whined.
    His hand stroked the swollen head of his pulsing cock in rhythm
    with her fingers.

    "You'd like to suck my slimy pussy, wouldn't you?" She
    waited, her fingers pausing between the fleshy lips of her cunt.

    "You want to suck the come out of my cunt, don't you!" she
    demanded.

    Unable to vocalize, he nodded emphatically.

    "His cock was big and so hot, Daddy. I fucked him first,
    catching his come in a rubber. That's what I had in my mouth,"
    she revealed. He moaned and jerked.

    "Then I sucked him off. His cock jerked and spurted for a
    long time and I swallowed every drop! I love to suck cock, too!"

    Her body was arched above him, her fingers tearing at the
    soggy hole between her legs. She whimpered and jerked.

    "Ooooh! Oh! its coming!" She shuddered and jerked, waves of
    pleasure engulfing her.

    "Its.....soooooo.....good, Daddy!"

    His hand flew over his cock. His ass bounced on the floor.
    He forced his eyes to stay open so he could watch the girls
    climax. Suddenly,the dam broke.

    "Baby!... Oh!... Daddy's coming!" he wailed.

    Still shivering from coming, she forced her fingers from her
    pussy and dropped to her knees. His hand had frozen on the shaft
    of his cock and she could see the purple head of it swell and
    spread as the hot river of come flowed up the column of hot
    flesh. Her head dipped quickly and her small mouth opened, wide.

    He jerked and groaned as through the fog he felt her hot
    mouth close over the head of his bursting cock. His fingers
    tangled in her hair and he held her head in position.

    "Suck, Baby! Suck Daddy's cock!" he wailed. "Suck all my
    come out of it! Does it taste good with Mom's cunt juice still on
    it?"

    The girl whimpered and sucked faster. She identified the
    strong second taste on his cock. Her tongue rolled the head, her
    fingers cupping his balls, rolling them in the soft skin sack.

    "Uuuhhhhhhh!" He slammed his cock deep into her throat and
    pumped glob after glob of hot thick come into her suctioning
    mouth.

    After long seconds the last stream flooded her swallowing
    throat. She pampered his cock with her mouth and then rolled
    aside, her fingers still circling the softening shaft.

    Curled together, their naked bodies damp with the the
    afterglow of passion, he stirred and stroked her hard nipple.

    "Can we take this too far?" he asked.

    "Nooo. This is just our play time," she soothed.

    "How old was this guy, tonight?"

    "He said twenty-two but he wasn't a day over nineteen," she
    replied. "He got off so quick, I almost didn't get the rubber on
    to catch it." She laughed softly.

    "Its a good thing we don't have a daughter. If she were as
    hot as you, I'd have to fight to stay away from her."

    She smiled at him. Her slender fingers scraped the underside
    of his half hard cock.

    "I'm all you can handle any way," she cooed.

    "I know," he responded. "Next Saturday you're the mother and
    I'm the son who discovers her naked?"

    "Ummmm Hmmmmm!"

    Her mouth clamped his and her hot tongue stabbed into his
    mouth.

  18. Ban! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Conserve bandwidth! Ban P2P! For the love of your God, Country, and Military!

    You do love your country, don't you?

  19. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by speedfreak_5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you paid taxes during the cold war, you ended up supporting terrorism. What's your point?

    --
    Why yes I am paranoid! Thanks for asking!
  20. Hmm... by theRhinoceros · · Score: 2, Redundant

    My question to NATO is: Why are any of the feeds not secure to begin with? Shouldn't all they have implemented all secure transmissions from the get-go?

    1. Re:Hmm... by gibler · · Score: 0

      Maybe its a PR stunt. They want Joe Taxpayer to know that they don't just sit around the mess hall all day, eat chow and watch Full Metal Jacket.

      They also like to compete with the Al Gezahra (or however it is spelt) tv company ;)

    2. Re:Hmm... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Auuuh come on, this way it gets on CNN 5 minutes faster than normal.

  21. At last, some real competition by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2, Funny

    At last, some real competition to Rupert Murdoch's crappy satellite-based PayTV service!

    Now if they can just get a good looking weather-babe the military might be on a winner here!

  22. How hard can this be to fix? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting
    No, the article notes that Afghanistan is taking up all the secure communications bandwidth, and operations in the Balkans are getting kicked over to unencrypted channels.

    Surely they could buy a $1000 PC at each end and do:
    cat /dev/video_capture | mpeg_encode | unexportable_munition_software <secret-key> | /dev/satellite_modem

    and:
    cat /dev/satellite_modem | unexportable_munition_software <secret-key> | mpeg_decode | /dev/video_out

    1. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It is not as simple as you think

      The $1000 PC would need to be patched into (for example) the P-3's surveilance and comms circuits. It is quite likely that this would require non-trivial bespoke hardware, not to mention things like special power adapters, rack mounting, vibration and RF hardening and so on.

      For an unmanned drone, it is likely to be that much harder because of tight limits on available space and power.

    2. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the image resolution they require for proper annalysis, I doubt they could use any kind of lossy compression.

    3. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You DUMB fuck!
      The surveillance plane communicates with the operations center on local free airwaves. This is encrypted.
      The ops center then reviews the information and (if necessary) dispatches troops.
      The ops center also either has a live outgoing stream via satellite (what this guy is claiming to see) or storage onto physical medium and later transmission (over air, or physical transmission of the medium.)
      If every US surveillance plane had direct access to a broadcast satellite, it'd be a real mess up there.

    4. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by ptbrown · · Score: 1

      err... Why are you piping to a device file?

      But I second your point. NATO and the US are not idiots and certainly know how to do digital transmission. I suspect this isn't a mere "oops" or lack of bandwidth problem. (They've known since before November. They won't admit to the press but Locker says they confirmed to him.) More likely the people in charge of operations in the Balkans have dropped down a few rungs on the political ladder. So when someone asks to use some of the secure bandwidth (because the US doesn't run it's communications like Pixelon and actually cares about image quality, unlike Real.) the powers that be say, "Oh, sorry. You can't have it. We need it all for Afghanistan et. al." They could share, of course, but they won't. This was the old administration's war. And second because it's not considered part of "the war on terror." Yes, I know, this is all utter bullshit; that's why they call it "politics." Which is too bad when one of these at-large "war criminals" realises that no one is breathing down his back anymore, and recruits a few mercenaries (who, ironically, could likely have been trained by al quaeda) and start causing trouble again.

      --
      Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
    5. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unencrypted = x bytes per second
      Encrypted = x bytes per second + y bits per second encryption overhead.

      To stream real time when you only have x bytes per second you have to
      a) Send unencrypted
      or
      b) send at a lower Q.

    6. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Unencrypted = x bytes per second
      Encrypted = x bytes per second + y bits per second encryption overhead.


      Well since the first step in any encryption scheme is a lossless compression it is likely that they would actually take less bandwidth than the unencrypted channel.

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    7. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well maybe the plain channel uses lossless compression also...

    8. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by dcm1101 · · Score: 1

      If the military had to shift to commercial satellite space, then they're probably using a commercial uplink provider, transmitting analog or DVB signals. If that's the case than you can't encrypt anything until you spring maybe US$100K on hardware.

    9. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 0
      You DUMB fuck!

      Thank you for sharing your insight with us. Not to mention your dazzling command of the English language.

    10. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by mpe · · Score: 2

      Unencrypted = x bytes per second Encrypted = x bytes per second + y bits per second encryption overhead.

      There is no reason for the cyphertext version to be larger than the plaintext. Also, assuming we are talking television here, you could use the undisplayed lines usually used for test signals, teletext, etc for sending out of band data.

    11. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as YOU obviously did not clue in, SOMEONE had to point it out to you!

      My suggestion is that before you hit submit, why don't you THINK about what you're posting? While you're thinking about it, try to figure out if it actually makes sense.

    12. Re:How hard can this be to fix? by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 1
      OK ... so if I'm totally clueless, how come the AV version of news report also apparently said that the spy plane had a direct satellite link? (I didn't download the AV myself ... this is what someone else reported.)

      The real truth about military comms capabilities and operational comms utilisation is likely to be classified. So how would you know? And why should we believe you Mr Anonymous Coward?

  23. If only it wasn't in Real Audio format. by neo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Can't you broadcast in something else?!?

  24. The Guardian by minesweeper · · Score: 1
    This story is also being reported in Thursday's Guardian:

    Now showing on satellite TV: secret American spy photos

  25. encryption? by Patrick · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The primary purpose of encryption is to take insecure channels and turn them into secure channels. If the military has spare insecure satellite channels (or is using insecure civilian channels), why not layer an encrypted tunnel?

    Encryption is a munition, remember?

    --Patrick

    1. Re:encryption? by dlc915 · · Score: 1

      Maybe because it costs money? If you watch the video, they are actually being sent from the Balkans to Virgnia securely, and then back to Europe so it can be watched by NATO people there via civilian satellite. They probably figure that if they were doing anything really important they could simply cut the feed to Europe, and that its not worth the money or time required to set up hardware encryption in BOTH europe and U.S., because they believe it to be a temporary sititution until the Afgan incursion blows over.

      --
      I still haven't found the "any" key.
    2. Re:encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The primary purpose of encryption is to take insecure channels and turn them into secure channels.

      Gee really? That's so fucking insightful!

    3. Re:encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unencrypted channel xbits per second.
      Encryprited channel xbits per second + y (overhead).

    4. Re:encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      D00D J00 ARE G00D AT MATHS J00 SHOULD BE A HAX0R FOR THE NSA CUASE J00 ARE EL33T PHD TYPE ENCRIPTOIN MASTOR!

      what this lame filter say i not yelling i saying eleet haxor math master d00ds from slashdot are 3l33t!

    5. Re:encryption? by Patrick · · Score: 1
      Gee really? That's so fucking insightful!

      My point was not to take credit for thinking of encryption. My point was to wonder why the military isn't using it.

      Was my message too subtle? I'll try to use smaller words next time.

  26. I have the footage on my computer by systemapex · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I taped that BBC interview and they had included the feeds in their little piece. Most of the footage seemed to be from an airplane looking at an acute angle downwards at road traffic like trucks - perhaps it was from a satellite but the camera seemed to move laterally in both directions. I've never seen a satellite feed but the shots seemed to come from a shaky airplane than a satellite in orbit. I have to admit I'm skeptical that these are true feeds. I honestly think it's misinformation. The quality of the footage was much better than the public ever sees in those press conferences, as if they were begging for the "enemy" to use the feeds. In fact, it seemed much better than the footage from helicopters during police chases. On second thought...maybe this is high quality military grade stuff:-)

    1. Re:I have the footage on my computer by cetan · · Score: 1, Informative

      How stupid are you? You taped and watched the interview and you didn't hear them mention the AIRCRAFT about 20 different times?

      Maybe you're just a troll, I donno.

      --
      In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
    2. Re:I have the footage on my computer by sh0rtie · · Score: 4, Informative


      The BBC news 24 report says its from nato remote spyplanes not satellites , hence why its shaky

    3. Re:I have the footage on my computer by cetan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's funny. Me pointing out the ignorance of others getting marked as a troll.

      Ah slashdot, how I knew you well.

      --
      In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
    4. Re:I have the footage on my computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On second thought...maybe this is high quality military grade stuff:-)

      This is slightly OT maybe, but I recall seeing a short security lapse during the gulf war. You know how all the "bombing videos" we see on CNN are messy, sort-of-inverted B&W low-resolution? Well, one clip that was shown a single time on CNN had about one second of pure, high-res color video at the start, which then switched over to "obscure the flying body parts" fuzzy B&W.

      Never saw that one again.

    5. Re:I have the footage on my computer by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      fancy sharing over p2p?

      -Nano.

    6. Re:I have the footage on my computer by Zazm · · Score: 1

      I can tell you for absolute sure that one of the aircraft they describe as listing itself as the host in the captioning, the P-3 Orion is a fully crewed, big arse bird.

      The Australian military operates these aircraft in long duration border (ocean) recon, where the typical crew is at least 8, working shifts and sleeping on board.

      I don't know about the other aircraft they refer to.

    7. Re:I have the footage on my computer by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      sigh - I guess if you watched the clip you'd notice the planes are shipping pictures back to a satellite uplink.

      Definately not sattelite photo's - problem with sattelite photo's is the exposure time to get a nice colour picture like that... most sattelite close ups I've seen are black and white.

    8. Re:I have the footage on my computer by cetan · · Score: 1

      haha. this is fun!

      Moderators are dumb as rocks these days.

      --
      In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
    9. Re:I have the footage on my computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't remember that particular piece. I remember a bit from press conference that I never, ever saw replayed. A low-ranking British officer mentioned that if Iraq were to use chemial weapons then retaliation with tactical nuclear weapons was a possibility.

      That one sort of disappeared too.

    10. Re:I have the footage on my computer by dcm1101 · · Score: 1

      Er... they never said the actual video originated from a satellite. The video came from airplanes and was bounced to Virginia on a MilSat then bounced back to Europe on an unsecure commercial satellite.

  27. Well by URoRRuRRR · · Score: 1

    At least they're voluntary. Anything vital is still secure. I mean who wants to watch the decimination of food to poor people? So what they'll show is some simple peacekeeping missions, nothing's in danger really. But really.. with the money we spend on them, they could stand to get some more secure channels.

    --
    "Oh no, 3 horny women and only 2 condoms...Thank god I read slashdot"
    1. Re:Well by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1
      I mean who wants to watch the decimination of food to poor people?

      I want to watch the decimation of food for poor people! "Hey, you look hungry their? Care for this steak dinner?" *BOOM* "Too bad, I made it go boom!" ha ha what a riot. truly this program would dissemenate yuks to the affluent like nothing else would.

  28. Hey, Look! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I can see Jon Katz's house! Who're all those little boys?

  29. Could it be... by Mhrmnhrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that because the Balkans are relatively "stable" now, that NATO just doesn't care if someone's watching? Milosevic is on trial in the Netherlands, there aren't mass riots against right-wing government candidtates (eg. LePen in France), and while their economy isn't anything near that of mainstream Europe, they're not starving in lines or causing problems, either (Even Quaddafi learned to keep quiet back in '86). Granted, this whole Afghanistan thing has got to be chewing up a lot of satellite space, but I really doubt it's eating *all* of it. Especially when you think about how many satellites are up there (Take the ones we know about, then double or triple to taste to count for the ones we don't)

    --
    I suspect that one of these choices is incorrect. Correct.
  30. ObMonty Python by Throatwarbler+Mangro · · Score: 5, Funny
    Remember the Monty Python sketch with the television program that would show blackmail videos and only stop when the person in question called in and made a payment? Maybe something similar could work with love bomb feeds?

    "Ah, here's an interesting little number... This is a live feed from a 'bunker buster' bomb. If there's a Mr. S.H. of Baghdad listening, call now to pledge $50 million or this little beauty will turn up on the front steps of your presidential palace..."

    dan

    Of course, this could all be avoided if he knew "how not to be seen..."

    1. Re:ObMonty Python by Antonio+Banderas · · Score: -1

      your mother smells of elderberry, CLIT@!

    2. Re:ObMonty Python by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: -1

      Your excuse for humour is terrible, cockgobbler.

      You need to learn a few things from us trolls

    3. Re:ObMonty Python by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 1

      If he took lessons on "how not to be seen" from Monty Python, I expect he'd be quite dead by now (like all the others).

      -Paul Komarek

    4. Re:ObMonty Python by Retron · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Maybe something similar could work with love bomb feeds?

      Wow - I wonder what one of those would look like? ;)

    5. Re:ObMonty Python by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1

      And besides, we all know that the best way not to be seen is to stand inside a filing cabinet.

  31. Lateral Movement by systemapex · · Score: 2

    Let me clarify the lateral movement. It didn't seem like intended movement by a camera operator but unintended jitter.

  32. Watch it on our daily news by sh0rtie · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The BBC is broadcasting the report on BBC News24

    Live news stream hereThe report is being shown approx every hour

    I think someone is going to be in trouble

  33. read video by Partisan01 · · Score: 1

    well doesn't matter if it's broadcast to the world if it's in real video format, i mean c'mon how much info can be gleamed from a 20 pixel by 20pixel box?

    --
    ahh, the egg in the basket..
    1. Re:read video by david614 · · Score: 1

      Well, once you have *regular* access to this imagery you can get the following information: - the type of aircraft being used to spy; - the locations of regular patrols, and the timing of ground surveillance and raids that accompany them - the resolution of the cameras being used, and their capacity for tracking individuals on the ground (in vehicles and on foot) Based on other information sources (like the real location of suspects in the war crimes tribunals), you can figure out how close they are to really arresting wanted criminals, and you might also be able to identify leakers within your own organization who are "queueing" the NATO surveillance and investigative resources. Because the imagery is also tagged by date and time, you are able to correlate surveillanec patterns with public statements by NATO officials about likely arrest targets. This is just a start. If I thought about it, I am sure I could think of some *real* intelligence value in these pictures. Someone should be fired over this snafu. Unbelievable! D

      --
      ELITISM: It's always lonely at the top. Uninvited company is rarely welcome.
  34. mE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I
    Love
    Football on TV
    Shots of Geena Lee
    And... Twins

    I
    Love
    Hangin' with my friends
    Burritos at 4 AM
    And.. and.. TWINS

    AND I LOVE YOU TOO!!!!1

  35. Yes the videos are from planes by PlaysByEar · · Score: 2, Informative
    Did the BBC interview fail to clarify that the surveillance videos are taken from planes like the P-3? The videos are being *transmitted* over sattelite, not taken from them.

    The article makes it clear in the first sentence: Nato surveillance flights in the Balkans are beaming their pictures over an insecure satellite link - and anyone can tune in and watch their operations live.

  36. the military's growing bandwidth crunch. by Quirk · · Score: 1

    It's that old butter versus weapons argument again. Now let's see if the military needs bandwidth or anything else and I have to forgo in order for them to go... then I forgo. The US military didn't purchase their bandwidth from Enron did they?

    --
    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
  37. Ummmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the other end is a plane or a sattelite or something, kinda hard to get a pc on one of those i think.

  38. All your bases.... by Ibjr · · Score: 1

    And what did the evil dewers say when they were able to tap into this? All your base are belong to us!

  39. Fools... by mad-seumas · · Score: 1

    That's what they get for using WEP...

  40. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by HFXPro · · Score: 3, Funny

    You: Senator, why did my tax money support terrorism?
    Senator: I have no knowledge of that fact.
    You: Is it not true that currently TV shows are running commercials claiming that drugs support terrorism?
    Senator: That would be true.
    You: Well, says that my taxes, taxes which you helped passed went to support Afgan freedom fighters who later became terrorist to us.
    Senator: Umm.
    You: Therefore if this is true, should I not stop paying taxes since they went to support terrorist?
    Senator: umm... umm.. umm. Your un American!

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  41. Cached. by poptix_work · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Took forever to bring it up..

    By Mark Urban
    Newsnight's Diplomatic Editor
    line

    Nato surveillance flights in the Balkans are beaming their pictures over an insecure satellite link - and anyone can tune in and watch their operations live.

    The discovery was made last November by John Locker, a satellite enthusiast in north west England.

    Satellite enthusiast John Locker
    John Locker tried to alert the US military
    He told Newsnight that he spent months e-mailing and faxing US and other Allied military officers to warn them of the dangers before finally deciding to go public.

    Our investigation produced responses from Nato and American spokesmen that the pictures were unclassified. They said they would reveal nothing of value to a potential enemy.

    One officer even told me that the broadcasts contained no information about the position or types of aircraft conducting the surveillance missions.

    Watch and learn

    Having reviewed many hours of pictures from recent operations, I can say this is quite wrong.

    Satellite image
    The images contain a wealth of information
    The symbols around the edge of the pictures show the aircrafts' position, altitude and heading. Omitting this information would make the broadcasts useless to Nato intelligence analysts.

    What's more, regular watching of the satellite channels allows you to learn much about the technical capabilities of sophisticated spy planes like the P-3 Orion and unmanned drones such as the Hunter.

    During broadcasts by these aircraft, the letters 'P-3' or 'Hunt' are helpfully included on the bottom of the picture.

    I have seen some of these aircraft operating during my reporting from Balkan trouble spots, and would have assumed that the presence of aerial surveillance was usually revealed by the sound of an aircraft or drone overhead.

    Reviewing the Nato footage, it is apparent though that planes like the P-3 can track a target from up to 20 miles away, through cloud, at night.

    Why is this secret trap door open ? Since official spokesmen will not even concede there is a problem, it is hard to get them to discuss how it might have occurred.

    New priority

    Instead contacts suggest that the timing of the unencrypted pictures' first appearance, 11 November 2001 is significant.

    America's response to the 11th September terrorist attacks was gearing up, and surveillance of Afghanistan began soaking up all the available military secure satellite channels.

    The US military have not introduced encoding even of the type used by commercial broadcasters

    Mark Urban
    Shunting the Balkan operations onto an insecure transmission was a matter of priorities, say analysts. The problem is, that doing so endangers a whole host of Nato operations ranging from hunting for Radovan Karadzic to stopping Albanian guerrillas infiltrating into Macedonia.

    It is surprising though that in all the months since John Locker started warning people that the signals could be pulled down by anyone using amateur equipment, the US military have not introduced encoding even of the type used by commercial broadcasters.

    The military procurement bureaucracy apparently cannot come up with a set top decoding box quickly enough.

    Who might be watching these transmissions, apart from retirees like Mr Locker ? Last month Nato raided two Bosnian Serb military installations, saying they were eavesdropping of the alliance's signals.

    Those able to monitor the transmissions around the clock - like a military intelligence department or guerrilla group - will learn much from them.

    At the very least the broadcasts allow a Karadzic or a smuggler to check before they step outside their front door whether any Nato surveillance aircraft are in the sky and what they are doing.
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  42. Hmm.. by Loki_1929 · · Score: 2

    "Gee, Bob, ever since we started streaming those NATO satellite images over the web, our traffic has increased over 700%!"

    "Hmm, looks like most of the traffic is coming from... Afghanistan, Serbia, Somalia, and Pakistan. In fact, that's where *all* of the traffic is coming from. What do you think it means, Phil?"

    *Phil suddenly turns very pale and starts shaking and sweating*

    "I ..uh... think it means we'd better buy up m..m..mmore bandwidth... and pray the website doesn't go down."

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    1. Re:Hmm.. by Maserati · · Score: 2

      I'll be keeping an eye on UserFriendly. Just in case.

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  43. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by DopeThrone · · Score: 3, Informative

    a government poll taken after the campaign against drugs using the "your supporting terrorism if you buy drugs" showed that the beginning stages of drug use had gone up 30%, not to mention our government shelled out over 2 billion dollars on the adds , paying for a professional director, and then airing them nonstop for several months. Maybe its me but i think its about time we legalized something

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  44. New meaning by sheepab · · Score: 1

    We ran an older story about the military's growing bandwidth crunch.

    I guess if you get drafted it gives new meaning to the phrase "Will work for bandwidth?"

  45. Nulunix V 1.0.0.0 by Genghis+Troll · · Score: -1

    The mimencoded text below is a compressed ISO image of the first release of the new Linux distribution Nulunix. Nulunix features a cutting-edge package management system, a high performance, closed-source VM, and a ground-breaking new proprietary compression algorithm that offers compression ratios as high as 1,000,000 to 1, the output files of which can be uncompressed by the standard bzip2 utility.

    To get started with Nulunix, simply "mimencode -u | bunzip2 - > nulunix-1.0.0.0.ISO" the text below. If working in the console, you may simply paste the encoded text after entering the above command, followed by "ctrl-D". The spaces inserted into the encoded data by slashcode will not affect the integrity of the archive. The uncompressed ISO will require approximately one gigabyte of hard drive space. The ISO should be burned to a 99 minute cdr with "cdrecord". Have fun!

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  46. no, it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not anything to do with the plane. If you watch the news report, you'll have found out that it's the link sending the data back from the US to Europe for analysis.

    Spy plane >> Military Satellite >> Virginia, USA >> Civilian Satellite >> Europe.

    Of the four transmission paths (represented by a '>>'), the last two are unencrypted as they're leasing a civilian satellite. Put an (en/de)cryption PC at both ends, and it should be quite do-able.

    1. Re:no, it is by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 4, Funny
      OK, so it is not as hard as I thought.

      But, even the "simple" case may not be as simple as you think. It depends on how hard-wired their comms centres are, and how inventive the tech support people are. We can only speculate ...

      And don't forget the "organizational" issues. I can imagine conversations like this.

      SigInt guy: I need to run crypto XYZ over this unencrypted link.
      Crypto guy: We cannot allow that.
      SigInt guy: Why not??
      Crypto guy: You don't have "need to know".
      SigInt guy: ...sigh... How do I solve my problem then?
      Crypto guy: ...click...

    2. Re:no, it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      CGFH: XYZ, what XYZ??

  47. thanks for the laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >to stopping Albanian guerrillas infiltrating >into Macedonia.

    Wait, you meant the same guerillas that the
    CIA called the biggest and best armed terrorrist organization in the world? The ones the US trained and armed? The ones that the US bombed a country for 3-4 months non-stop (New Yorkers would have shit on themselves if there were exploding buildings for 3-4 months!)?

    In case you missed it last summer (well, most of the Europe heard about it but the 'free' US press, when the Macedonian police surrounded a few hundred Albanian terrorist, the US flew into Macedonia with helicopters to airlift these trapped troops for 'supposedly' humanitarian reasons (interesting..i wonder if they have the same atittude towards AL Quaeda or is this just compassion for terrorrists who work/worked hand in hand with US forces) and flew them back to Kosovo.
    Maybe the dozen US military 'observers' that were along with the Albanians had something to do with it|?

    You have to forgive the Macedonians if they think that the War on Terrorism is full of shit

    Of course this is the same government which is letting the Albanian drug lords still control 60-80% of europes heroin traffic.
    Check out a map of yugoslavia,, then check up the American protectorate of Kosovo which is a small part of it. Youre gonna tell me that the US army is that pathetic that they cant keep taht small swath of land from being used as staging ground for terrorist attacks?

    C'mon...you truly belive that BS?

    And they said that the people who believe every word in Pravda were sheep. CNN'ers are much worse.
    The Soviet peoples knew they were being lied to, you revel in your own ignorance.

  48. The military usually encrypt everything by Kajota · · Score: 5, Informative

    I worked in satellite communications in the army for 8 years. This story is hard to believe. Everything I worked on in the Army was encrypted up to 3 different times before it was transmitted to the satellite. Even GI's phone calls to their wifes were encrypted. There was an bulk encryption stage after the voice to digital encoding/multiplexing. This stream was fed into a data multiplexer and multiplexed with incoming data circuits. The output of that multiplexer was encyrpted again. The other incoming data circuits were probably already encrypted when they got to us. This is all before anything is modulated so it's not like they can't encrypt the data because they are using civilian satellites.

    It's either counter-intelligence stuff or just real stupid.

    1. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by Raindeer · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know it is hard to believe if you've worked in the military and know what is possible, but this one is really true. If you look at the .ram-movie it becomes clear that everything is encrypted untill it reaches virginia, then it gets beamed back to the intelligence community in Europe over a public sattelite with no encryption. I saw the tv-program and they had this American officer working for NATO, who kept answering that it since it went over the public broadcasting system it was unclassified and therefore wouldn't be of use to enemies of NATO. This is ofcourse the other way round. If his reasoning was correct we would also be allowed to watch life footage from Afghanistan. Better yet, why go through the trouble of encrypting it when it leaves the plane, if it can be seen within a minute from the sattelite. Another gentleman from the Pentagon was kind enough to say that they were looking into securing this information again. :-)

    2. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even GI's phone calls to their wifes were encrypted.

      So all GI wives have encryption/decryption hardware attached to their phones at home?! Sweet.

    3. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by mpe · · Score: 2

      If you look at the .ram-movie it becomes clear that everything is encrypted untill it reaches virginia, then it gets beamed back to the intelligence community in Europe over a public sattelite with no encryption.

      This dosn't make sense, since the satellite dosn't need to handle any encryption. All it needs to do is receive a signal and rebroadcast it.

    4. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by dgb2n · · Score: 2

      Notice that this is NATO as opposed to the US.

      You're correct, the US military does encrypt virtually all of its communications.

      Video feeds require high speed encryptors becasue of the bandwidth involved. Its likely there were insufficient devices necessary to equip all the forces so they defaulted to an insecure mode. Much of the US crypto gear is US-only and not releaseable even to NATO nations.

    5. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by Raindeer · · Score: 1

      Which part don't you get? The pentagon is doing it this way, whether it makes sense or not to you is irrelevant.

    6. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by oni · · Score: 2

      Everything I worked on in the Army was encrypted up to 3 different times before it was transmitted to the satellite.

      It looks like it was encrypted on the way to the US, but unencrypted when sent back to NATO in Europe. I think the problem is that the recipients in England (or wherever) don't have TEDs that use DES, so rather than try to get them one, someone in the US made the decision to just transmit in the clear.

      Probably a civilian.

    7. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by ZPO · · Score: 1

      The key in this application is that the data has to be shared with all the NATO nations participating in the operation (is it still called the "Nato Stabilization Force"??)

      All these nations do not necessarily have interoperable crypto systems. You also only have a limited amount of bandwidth on the NATO/DSCS birds. Add in a very broad interest community of all the rear command centers of involved units and their own national command structures. Now you've got a very interesting problem.

      Very likely the video is coming back from Bosnia over an encrypted military channel to an uplink station in Europe. One of the features of the DBS signals is that everything on one transponder carrier has to be uplinked by the same station.

      One of the best ways to get this data out to all the interested parties is to run it out over an open channel. It requires digital service so its a bit harder to find than most.

      There is another very interesting possibity in the story. During Operation Joint Endeavor they had problems with various groups refusing to admit they had military equipment in certain areas when the US/NATA told them to move it. The US got a much better response when the parties were shown pictures of their equipment through AH-64 Apache gun sight cameras. It seems something about the cross-hair centered on their non-existent (according to them) BMP/BDRM2/SA6/etc convinced them it would be a good idea to leave the area.

      This is a long way of saying the NATO probably wants folks to see it. If they know they are being watched perhaps they won't cause as much trouble.

    8. Re:The military usually encrypt everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US military may work this way, but NATO doesn't always. I work on the software for air surveillance systems that are NATO compatible. These systems share air picture data using the NATO Link-1 protocol. For example, the systems in Germany and Poland are connected so each country can see the air traffic over the other country. Nothing is encrypted and the data is sent over normal commercial landlines. The only protection is that the message formats are classified. More "security by obscurity" thinking. The fact that this data is sent without any encryption doesn't surprise me at all.

  49. So what satellite? by polymath69 · · Score: 1

    I've got a C-band dish... so where can these feeds be found? W4/24? C7/8?

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    1. Re:So what satellite? by dcm1101 · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to the Guardian article, it's on Telstar 11 - which is a Ku only bird. Check the footprint to see if you are in the beam. Plus, of course, you'll need a Ku LNB.

    2. Re:So what satellite? by RESPAWN · · Score: 2

      Figures. I think I've finally found a good use for our old satellite dish now that we've got one of those little digital satellite dishes, and I find out T11 is a Ku satellite. I wonder if it's too late to try to talk my dad into getting the Ku band add-on package.


      On a slightly off-topic note, the only thing I miss about our old C-band dish was the wildfeeds back in the day. Fox not airing the game you want to see in your area? No problem. Tune to T6 (or whatever satellite they used) and flip around on the channels until you find the right game. Going out of town next week and going to miss the new episode of ST:TNG (yeah, this was a while ago)? Simply pick up your sat guide and find out where and when the wildfeed will air and watch the new episode as it's beamed out to all the local affiliates. I guess the old C-band satellite dishes did have a few uses.

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    3. Re:So what satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you wont get any of it live unless you are in the footprint. likely you are not. even if you are in a fringe footprint area, your dish would have to be fairly large to assimilate the signal from the transponder(s).

      gatt0n

    4. Re:So what satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those interested: it is on Telstar-11. The lyngsat page for it is here: http://www.lyngsat.com/t11.shtml
      It is the first transponder listed, 11495 MHz (Ku band). It covers western europe and can be seen with a 90-100cm dish.

    5. Re:So what satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likely the original poster was not in the footprint, but I bet there are many suitably equipped watchers all over western europe!

    6. Re:So what satellite? by sleepy+capt · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I'm joining in late. Do you mean to say that there is no way that a (small) digital dish can receive Ku-type signals?

    7. Re:So what satellite? by RESPAWN · · Score: 2

      Nope. AFAIK only the larger, old-skool dishes can recieve Ku signals.

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  50. New channel! by British · · Score: 2

    Maybe this is the C-SPAN for the military. 24/7 surveillance footage of Eruope!

  51. Hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    My name is Blake and I am a homosexual.

    If any males want to have hot homo cyber sex, please IM me at alertb5 on AIM.

    If you really love me I will even give you my AIM password which is firevbbm, oops.

  52. Wish List? by CleverNickName · · Score: 2

    So where's the NATO Wish List?

    I wanna see the good stuff.

    1. Re:Wish List? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You drunk, Wheaton? What the hell are you talking about? The good stuff is in the brown paper bag sitting on your desk... oh wait you drank all that already.

  53. remember the movie by foodb4nk · · Score: -1

    "enemy of the state"

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  54. What do you expect from government? by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    I think the government should pass a law that good folks who point out security vulnerabilities in the government's stuff get a huge reward... I'm talking something in the seven digit range, not including decimal places. It would be an amount like 3,001,526.72. (Kind of like the $271 fine for running a red light--why 271, as opposed to a round number?) Then, if you suggest how they might fix the problem, you get another 5 million or so (or a lifetime supply of Negra Modelo, at your option), even if they don't take your suggestion. And furthermore, if the vulnerability isn't fixed within 24 hours, you get an additional 10 million or so, and written permission to f*ck with the systems that contain the vulnerability, as a punishment to the government for its negligence.

    Hey, the government punishes people when they do stuff against the government. It should punish itself for doing stuff against the people. That's only fair. This program would be given a short and coherent name like the the Government Computer Systems Security and Vulnerability Repair and Rewards Act.

    Oooooooooooooooh well.

    1. Re:What do you expect from government? by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

      Hey, the government punishes people when they do stuff against the government. It should punish itself for doing stuff against the people

      I think you're more than a little confused. It's not possible to punish the government.

      If you try and inflict a fiscal penalty -- the money doesn't come from "the government" it comes from YOU -- the taxpayer!

      Remember, bureaucrats have an incredible ability to accept bouquets whenever they're passing by -- but pass on brickbats to whoever is too slow to avoid them.

    2. Re:What do you expect from government? by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

      Your argument that the government can't pay a penalty to the people because the money comes from the people is a valid one.

      In that case, I propose a better solution: This is a way to actually fine the government, for a poor job even though the government gets its money from the people. It's very simple. If the government wrongs you in any way, a really hefty sum of cash money is hand-delivered to you within 24 hours of your request. (In addition to other things, the government would impose published time limits on itself to complete every process it takes upon itself, regardless of what it is, eliminating the all-too-common cases when government tells you, "it'll be done when it'll be done; don't call us, we'll call you." When the government exceeds its time limit, it pays you a pretty hefty sum for each day overdue.)

      Where does this money come from? The amount of money the government loses through the fines it pays will be paid for by the people who caused the problem in the first place: The people of the government, whether they're employees, elected officials, or whatever. The amount spent in fines will be computed so that an equal percentage is deducted from each official's or employee's pay. Suppose the government loses 320,000,000 dollars in fines it pays in one year, and it's computed to be 18.92% of what it pays its employees. (I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass... they aren't real-world values in any sense.) Every government employee and official would subsequently lose 18.92% of their pay. This way, government penalties on itself won't be paid with taxpayer dollars. They'll be paid by the employees who cause the penalties in the first place, and those employees who earn more will lose more from this process.

      If you think this is a bit unfair to the government employees, the same system described above would provide means for folks to donate money to the government when they feel the government has done an exceptionally good job at something. This money would be split according to the same methods and to the same people who lose when the government pays a penalty. (Yeah, I know nobody will actually donate, but the system would be in place.)

      What does this solve? Government employees often treat people with contempt. This system gives government employees and officials a really damn good incentive to do an exceptional job, if only because they'll be punished personally when they screw you over.

  55. NASA too! by cmoney · · Score: 2

    An acquaintence in NASA once told me all of the satellites he's worked on for NASA (3 of them at the time) were controlled via unencrypted communications. They felt secure with this "security through obscurity" because it's a little harder to actually transmit the commands up to the satellite than it is to simply put up a BUD and start listening to all the data streams out there.

    1. Re:NASA too! by JetScootr · · Score: 0

      Everything in this post is my own opinion and viewpoint, not NASA's or my employer's. I have worked at NASA for 22 years. NASA does NOT encrypt ANY of its downlinked data (not anymore). The concept is that this data belongs to the public. It's there for the taking, and if you don't know how to use it, don't worry - you can get most of it from NASA publications. Poke around at NASA.gov and you can find out anything you want about US space program - including (nearly) raw data from space.

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  56. NATO thinking new? by Miska · · Score: 1

    Might this not be NATO trying to get into the entertainment industry?

    (after all, how else can new members pay for their new defense expenditures?)

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  57. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Damn, I didn't know that growing marijuana in my basement and smoking it and getting all peacefull was supporting terrorism in any way!

    Oh, wait, I see! I understand! I'm enlightened!

    Pass the bong please.

  58. Bangalore TV by scumdamn · · Score: 2

    My hotel in Bangalore has the "worldwide" CNN and BBCNews, but they both loop after about an hour. I've seen this story about three times now with live footage. The worst part is that the footage also contains the aircraft's location. It's just silly that the live footage isn't encrypted at all. I mean, how hard could it be?

  59. Maybe it really is not a problem by Adam+J.+Richter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Maybe it is to NATO's advantage that this information is public. NATO countries often disagree on Balkan politicies and try to put different political spins on the reliability of information driving these decisions. Plus, others may believe that the information that they're getting about the Balkans is being filtered in some politically-oriented way. By being public about this relatively innocuous data, it makes NATO come off as presenting "just the facts", avoid creating some other little opportunities for member countries to argue about what the facts are, and eliminates some politics about which photos to release.

    Of course, if it started to look like fighting was imminent, and the short term knowledge of what NATO saw or missed during yesterday's flight becomes dangerous information, then I would expect then I would expect NATO to secure the video feed, or perhaps even at any point when a few more fighting words than usual were emerging from Serbia.

  60. So.... by SparkyTWP · · Score: 1

    What VCD group is encoding and releasing this? What's the quality? It's not on vcdquality.com for some reason.

  61. Hazard by Char+Lander · · Score: 1

    So far I think Bush has done a good job on the American side of things when it comes to this current war on terrorism. He is keeping all live feeds out of the loop and not letting anyone know what is going to happen next which was his fathers mistake during Desert Storm.

    Sun Tzu preached in all his teachings about war, that knowing your enemey and knowing yourself would result in countless victories. Yet these teachings seems to have been disregarded over the course of 2000 years. They are still legitimate.

    If there is the potential of a leak or a security hole, there should be no denial of it but an active investigation on to why it is allowing this to happen. It is the equivalent to having a security hole in your OS yet denying its existence yet it seems to be getting taken advantage of. It is slow death. You can't let the enemy know what you are doing.

    This just seems like a hard story to believe yet if true is beyond silly. Oh well, I am not a military leader, I just base this off common sense and a few books. (i.e. Sun Tzu's Art of War and the Art of War II)

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  62. A little recipe by animah · · Score: 2, Informative

    Satellites broadcast to anyone on their path, so anyone with a small budget and some spare time can toy around with them -but crypto is the hard part.

    A beginner's shopping list:
    - A PC-controlled ICOM PCR-1000 SSB receiver ($300)
    - A turnstile or better, double-helix antenna ($150)
    - Satellite tracking software to know when to listen (eg NovaWin from Northern Lights Software, $60)
    - Frequency lists, grab them on the web.

    Plug the receiver's audio out into your soundcard's audio in, and voila ! save transmissions as .wav for processing.

    http://www.gravitywell.org/ is a good example.

    Have fun!
    Denis the menace
    The Goelette Project

    1. Re:A little recipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plug the receiver's audio out into your soundcard's audio in, and voila ! save transmissions as .wav for processing.

      You forgot one thing about that, either wire up an isolation circuit, or go to Tigertronics and get one of their signal links to interface your sound card with the radio. at another $50. Still cheap.

  63. Next: Unencrypted head-cams by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 0
    I want to see the Prez. Bush 24/7 head cam---or maybe the Osama 24/7 head cam.


    Now that would be good tv.

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    1. Re:Next: Unencrypted head-cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe the Osama 24/7 head cam.

      Ya watching a pile of dust float around some frozen afghan mountains sounds thrilling...

  64. Its a 3rd party contractor from Florida. by sh0rtie · · Score: 5, Informative


    The video or though not visible on the streamcast but visible on my TV (BBC) are overlayed with a fine transparent Airscan text logo which a quick google turned turned up a "Airborne Surveillance Security" company based in Murrell Road, Rockledge, FLorida

    presumably its their equipment/responsibility/fault as they seem to be a 3rd party contractor for the US Army/Security, below is taken from their About page
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    AirScan was created in 1989 to provide airborne surveillance security for US Air Force launch facilities. During seven years of surveillance missions, AirScan supported every mission on time. AirScan has in-depth knowledge of the space launch program and the vital service airborne surveillance provides in supporting this program. Sensor aircraft equipped with infrared, TV, LIDAR, and multispectral and hyperspectral sensors operated by experienced crews using innovative tactics combine to form a responsive, dedicated airborne surveillance operation. The result is proven capability based on operational expertise, thorough planning, and carefully chosen mission objectives.

    Over the years, AirScan has greatly expanded its capabilities to perform a wide range of airborne surveillance missions. We are currently conducting surveillance and remote sensing missions in Africa, Europe, and throughout the US in support of diverse governmental and private projects. We also remain under contract to NASA and the US Air Force in support of the space and missile programs. AirScan is under contract to the National Response Corporation to respond to any major oil spill in US inland or coastal waters. We also conduct maritime surveillance, ground security, wildlife surveys, research and development, and aircraft modifications and systems integration.
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    So is this their fault or the Armys or both ?

  65. Dyam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that gives new meaning to:

    Suprise by the obvius

    I supose that means big brother realy is waching

    of course so is half the globe

    if it were GPL'd we could stream it to, well almost any place realy

    we cam anyone body or is the pure genius of the RIAA stoping you slashdoters again?

  66. -1 troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    lazy mod's, come on, mod that dam troll down!

    1. Re:-1 troll by cetan · · Score: 1

      Awww are you upset because I called you stupid. Maybe you should watch the video again to hear where they mention the airplanes over and over and over.

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  67. Words of Wisdom, by George Constanza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The most unfair thing about the life is the way it ends. I mean, life is tough. It takes up a lot of your time. What do you get at the end of it? A death. What's that, a bonus?!? I think the life cycle is all backwards. You should die first, get it out of the way. Then you go live in an old age home. You get kicked out for being too healthy, go collect your pension, then, when you start work, you get a gold watch on your first day. You work forty years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement. You drink alcohol, you party and you get ready for High School. You go to primary school, you become a kid, you play, you have no responsibilities, you become a little baby, you go back, you spend your last 9 months floating with luxuries like central heating, spa, room service on tap, then you finish off as an orgasm!!

    Amen

    GC

  68. If we learned from history ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    than one of the most effective way to win a war is:
    - to know your enemies and to give your enemies guided/controlled/manipulated/(all you can think about) informations

    In this digital millenium if you believed every single bit you've captured! than you are doomed!

    1. Re:If we learned from history ... by Herstel · · Score: 1

      than one of the most effective way to win a war is: - to know your enemies and to give your enemies guided/controlled/manipulated/(all you can think about) informations

      The Balkan's dog of war and his goons are sitting in a jail in Den Haag. A domestic government is chasing the rest of them. A domestic army is loyal to a new president who has no such genocidal, mad ideas like the prevouis one.. Who, in your opinion, exactly is the enemy in Balkans ? In newspapers read some articles sometimes, on political conditions over there. The war is over in Balkans, three years ago.

  69. Bitch, whinge, moan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    We'll comment weather or not we read the damn article. And guess what? You can't stop us! Nyah!

  70. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    To bad 75% of the terrorist money is clean from islamic charities and businesses...

    That's the whole reason they are having so much trouble tracking it, becuase it's clean!

    Anyone who has even been paying a tiny bit of attention would have heard this. Even the Ashcroft has admitted this...

    Seriously the war on drugs was just corny prohibition failed enough already.

    P.S. Who wants to bet $5 the U.S. was actually secretly helping the taliban previous to the african embassay bombings becuase the taliban OUTLAWED HEROIN PRODUCTION in what had previously been the world largest illegal drug exporter. Yes period, colombia nothing... So tell me where all this funding was coming from?

    Oh i know maybe it was like when the CIA was using noriega to fund and launder arms shipments to right wing rebels in central america becuase everyone one was pissing in the boots in terror over communism...

    God the government must think we are fucking so stupid.

  71. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    So what you're saying is:

    • If you buy drugs you're providing justification for the 'war on drugs'
    • The 'war on drugs' has resulted in US money being paid directly to terrorist organisations in Columbia, Afghanistan and South America.
    QED: If you buy drugs, you're supporting terrorisim. The conclusion is logically sound.
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  72. I always knew the military was ignorant, but� by kiwipeso · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This takes the cake, what a pack of ignorant fools they are.

    Sure, I'm in a lot of crap with those people for merely wishing to maintain the illusion of privacy of private information, but if this isn't straight out of "Planet of the Apes", then I don't know what is.

    Are these people in contact with their inner monkey, or just shaking about with it ?

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  73. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by anonymous+cowfart · · Score: -1

    You: My un American what?

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  74. John Locker's Homepage by mishmash · · Score: 1

    was here Google's Cache is still here.

  75. what exactly is "secure communications bandwidth"? by rassie · · Score: 1
    "secure communications bandwidth" "getting kicked over to unencrypted channels."
    Since we are talking about communication over the air, it is done at one frequency or another. How can one frequency/channel be more secure than any other? If they have filled up all bandwidth at one frequency with secured comms from Afghanistan, why don't they use another frequency for the Balkan stuff where they also encrypt the communications?
    It makes absolutely no sense to talk about "secure communications bandwidth".
  76. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: -1

    the US created it's own problems just like it always does.

    USA is not # 1

  77. Not *strictly* true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the guy they interviewed last night about this (someone from the US army), the planes send their surveillance to a ground station, which then sends the data to Virginia (?) via an encrypted link. The surveillance footage is analysed in Virginia, and then anything rated unclassified is sent back unencrypted; the implication being that anything rated classified is sent back encrypted.

    Since (I guess) anything rated unclassified is probably available to anyone anyway, this means that this whole story is a storm in a teacup.

  78. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by hpeg · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Weren't people told to grow hemp and marijuana to help with the war effort in WWI? Mind you, that was for ropes and clothes, you can't fight a war stoned... Hmmm, now there's an idea.

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  80. UK troops used 'secure' Welsh language in Balkans! by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 1

    No suprises there then!
    Previously in the Balkans, the Uk troops couldn't afford encrypted radios. The soultion to this was to employ troops from one on the Welsh regements as radio operators. They chatted away in the Welsh language as a means of "security".

    Thus, the fact that NATO can't set up a secure sattelite link dosn't suprise me in the least!

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  81. That would make one hell of a website! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    could someone with a sat dish and a big pipe set up a stream of this? If they deny there is a problem, then they cant get mad if you setup live streams of it.

  82. It's A Honey Pot by Lethyos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are letting us see the Balkans so that people are less interested in seeing what's going on in Afghanistan. They've set up a honey pot. Or at the very least, they really want to hide what's going on in Afghanistan. I wonder what they consider the security threat model to be from a bunch of desert nomads with a lot of plastique and too much time on their hands?

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  83. Bandwidth Crunch? by jwilhelm · · Score: 2

    Yeah, so let's help them out with that bandwidth crunch by /.ing their servers... :)

  84. Military Intelligence? by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

    Nato broadcasting this stuff in the clear is proof that military intelligence is a contradiction. Their claim that the footage shows nothing the enemy can use is the kind of arrogance that causes the west to get caught with it's pants down every time terrorists strike.

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  85. Re:UK troops used 'secure' Welsh language in Balka by Mhrmnhrm · · Score: 1

    This isn't any different than the Americans using the native Cherokee language during WW2 to throw off the Germans :)

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  86. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by emn-slashdot · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't suppose Bush's ties to the oil industry (and thus Osama Bin Ladin) explained in detail in a recent issue of High Times magazine means that if you drive a gas-powered car you support terrorism...

    2 billion dollars? I wish George "Dubbi" Bush would get a clue.

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  87. Another link, with videos :) by niola · · Score: 2

    Check this out: http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID =189&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0

    This site has stills and videos. Unfortunately I cannot get the videos to work. Looks like they may be some kind of Windows Media Player format :(

    --Jon

  88. another format? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't use Microsoft/Real products.. can someone convert/provide a link with another format? (MPG/AVI/etc)

  89. Unclassified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until someone can explain what use ariel photos of various parts of the Balkans are to our 'enemies' and who those enemies might be I'm going to assume that this isn't really classified information. This is a non-story. Ther is a wealth of non-encrypted information available by monitoring military transmissions. Also... anyone can order their own satellite pictures of the balkans from various private satellite companies.

  90. It's likely intentional by Phrack · · Score: 1

    Think about it. What better way to keep the peace than to prove that you're watching?

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  91. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by mikestro · · Score: 1

    If the USA not #1, then who is? China, EU, Russia?

    Someone has to be #1.

  92. hmmm by rocket97 · · Score: 0

    Can you install Linux on it?

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  93. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legalize terrorism? I'm game if you are...

  94. Not in our Army by Nf1nk · · Score: 1

    First the barracks are coed
    second the when I was in the army there wasn't a handful of wome I wanted to see naked (shudder)
    Third In every barracks I ever lived in there was some sort of wierd jamming field in place that made it so that nothing wireless worked unless it was in the same room as the base. no radio, no pagers, no cordless phones, no....(etc)

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  95. Bah! Locker pulled his pics :((( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The website of the guy who pulled these pictures out of the ether now has a black hat shoved really close to the lens :( http://www.satcom.freeserve.co.uk/

  96. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    you can't fight a war stoned

    Vietnam

    tell me that 75% of our troops weren't steeped in hashish...

  97. Re:IF YOU TAKE DRUGS, YOU'RE SUPPORTING TERRORISM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's why we lost

  98. If you support the war on drugs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're supporting terrorism. If drugs weren't illegal, terrorists wouldn't be making money from it.

  99. Re:UK troops used 'secure' Welsh language in Balka by tomkarlo · · Score: 1

    It was the Navaho, and they were used in the Pacific theater, not Europe. Their language is particular problematic to translate or learn.

    "The Code Book" by Simon Singh has a good chapter about this.

    I believe the Cherokee were considered but not used. The need in the Pacific theater was primarily for extremely rapid encryption of transmissions by forward air controllers for strikes, and for whatever reason this was not a tactical need in the European theater.