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Linux PDA From China
hama writes "There is a new Linux PDA from China from a Beijing Firm Golden Global View who has been in the PDA/Digital Dictionary Market in China/Hong Kong/Taiwan for some time. The model is
WalkPad GP1288 with a SRP of RMB1288 in China.
Use the fish if you cannot read Chinese." My favorite fishism in here is the "The whole world is in sole possession of the Chinese Linux operating system, steadily beats a drum to announce the start of a watch the freedom."
My favorite fishism in here is the "The whole world is in sole possession of the Chinese Linux operating system, steadily beats a drum to announce the start of a watch the freedom."
Let's hope it doesn't flounder.
Mmmmmmm
Most of the people using the PDA's won't even have a clue what Linux is, or how it came about. The only thing my Boss cares about on his PDA is if it can sync with his email. Let's face the facts, the only reason the companies would even try to leverage Linux over Palm is completely due to licensing costs. I feel PalmOS is a Superior OS for PDA's, proven thus far, but I can't speak for much as I have only compared it to WinCE.
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
Now now, remember when you laugh at a person for not getting your native tounge just right, its because they bothered to learn *your* lanaguage. Most Americans dont speak more than English, so it's not fair to make fun of this Mr. Fish. To Mr. Fish, we're sorry!
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
eXpardable: Highly expands the application space, unceasingly promotes the individuality world which renews;
"Networking: The splendid Internet along with grasps, the electronic mail immediately holds above transmits."
I think i'll pass for now, call me when there is an English version. Though I agree that the internet is splendid and it sometimes makes me grasp.
Thus above transmits mean I can only use AboveNet?
But I must say the thing looks cool. They could sell some more if they made an English version I guess...
Now you can support the freedom of Linux and the oppression of the PRC at the same time!
Unfortunately... the 10,000 button Chinese keyboard won't ship until next year. They're still developing a way to make a stylus on the molecular level.
"Derp de derp."
With the cost of the Walkpad unit itself, plus the price to import one, I think I'd rather have a Zaurus. The Zaurus has a higher resolution (not to mention COLOR) screen, and looks a little more polished. Albeit a bit larger. In a few months you'll probably be able to pick up a Zaurus on Ebay for a couple hundred bucks. Personally, I'd rather have a Zaurus than one of these, although it's nice to see embedded Linux popping it's head up in all these different places. :)
"There is a new Linux PDA from China ...
... in China/Hong Kong/Taiwan for some time."
So what's so new about this gadget?
1,288.00 CNY = 156.744 USD
1 China Yuan Renminbi = 0.121695 USD
1 United States Dollars = 8.21724 CNY
also:
1,288.00 CNY = 159.042 EUR
Since I don't have that currency conversion in my head.
+++ ATH0 +++
yes , yes it does.
The Ipaq is 10 times faster when you run linux instead of that crappy microsoft OS on it.
and every other PDa would achieve massive speed and stability increases by simply switching to a modern, stable OS instead of staying with the out-dated and poorly written Microsoft products.
This is the year 2002, quit using computer software written for babies and toddlers.. start using a real OS/apps..... LINUX!
Elsewhere on the page, there's a link with "Linux" in the text, which brings up this page (with even more amusing Fish-isms) which appears to be the same device with better pictures.
Anyone have any well-translated info on this?
Exactly how does this thing walk?
The only Chinese linux PDA in the world, more stable and more free(dom).
It goes something like this...
[Specification]
* Model: Retail Price: 1498 Yun (~ USD$181)
* CPU: Toshiba TX3911 (MIPS Architecture) 58MHZ 32bits
* ROM: 32M NANDFlash
* RAM: 16M SDRAM
* Screen: 160*240 STN16 Grey Scale, Hand writing recognition
* IrDA: 115200bps max
* Backlite: EL Backlite (??)
* Battery: Lithium Battery, 680mAh, 8 hours, stand-by 1 month
[Main Functions]
* Linux System: Chinese Linux system first in the world! More stable and more free (in the liberal sense)
* Infrared: International standard infrared transmission for short distance communication.
* Networking: Portable Internet access allows you to send emails from your palm (literally).
* Usb: High speed USB transmission. (It sounds like that it can be recharged from the USB cable, hmmm...)
* eXpandable: Highly expandable that give you space for upgrade.
* 32Mb Flash memory, 16Mb RAM, usable space up to 8.4 million Chinese character.
* MP3 play-back ability. Digital recording.
* Portable detachable (??) keyboard.
* Digital (??) library.
* Powerful dictionary with 110,000 English -> Chinese and 60,000 Chinese -> English dictionary. Other dictionaries are available for download.
* Personalised reminder/notification in voice, vibration and flashing lights (or something like that).
Note that I've removed some marketing terms 'coz I have no idea how to translate them, and they are nothing useful than praising how good/great/powerful it is.
What on earth are "dodges saves?"
maybe this will be actually useful but I dont see what they are useing as the windowing system
also they use the Toshiba TX3911 a MIPS but they clock it real low
(the tx39XX was the part done for sony EE was it not ?)
and anyone who has actually tried to use a sharp zarus when away from the office knows its not much use as the power dies because of the LCD the same is true of fancy CE machines
(when will people learn that haveing your contacts in colour is pointless if you cant see it better to go with greyscale and have a couple of extra hours of use)
they claim USB & networking is this built in ?
(I dont remember tosh doing a mips part with eth MAC on chip)
my hopes are high that this will work I am curious to how they get input and what they use to display CJK chars
regards
john jones
Shouldn't that be the WokPad?
Fishism: Contains the fence exhausted the regulation turtle defends the luck. In other words, with a little luck, you can build a fence that will exhaust the turtle and he won't come after you.
With linux for the iPaQ do we really need to discuss a platform with less memory, slower processor, less polished Linux port and (wait for it, wait for it) documentation in English (assuming most /.ers don't read chinese). Just buy the iPaQ and be happy.
...usually turn out only slightly more grammatically incorrect than the write-ups some of the editors here on Slashdot do.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
blessing from the chief resident and crackhead who currently lives in The White House
Thanks and have a marijauna-induced weekend.
This Linux business certainly can't be too popular in Redmond after yesterday's announcement.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
(crawling back to a chair from the floor) It reminds me "Galactic News Network" from "A Fire Upon The Deep" by Vernor Vinge. Language path and stuff. Even more fun. "Babel, translations are trolling a fish". "All the world is in the singe possession of Linux of a chinesse man, steadily defeating the drum...". Visit http://www.translate.ru . They are also selling their stuff, really.
According to my Chinese co-worker, the direct translation is something like this:
The world's solely Chinese Linux operating system, more stable and more free.
After much discussion with him about what "the world's solely" meant, we came to the conclusion that in English the best translation is: "the world's unique" as in,
Unique in the whole world, the Chinese operating system is more stable and more free (as in freedom).
OK, inquiring minds want to know: what's this Chinese text that you translate as "ROM" and BabelFish translates as "Dodge Saves"?!
Yes! Fanatacism!
Fuck software, we want handhelds powered by ideals!
Sorry to make fun, but you're clearly an idiot. You are the reason I can't convince my boss to run linux on our local webserver. You just spout off completely unfounded "facts" about linux, but where's the hard data that says linux is "10 times faster"?
This is the year 2002, and it's high time we started evaluating our software based on it's merits as software, not it's idealistic value.
--
pants ahoy
Uh, you do know that Babelfish isn't a person, right? It's software. Always cool to make fun of software!
I went and browse the Golden Global View's Taiwanese website, and found more information there (the web pages are in Chinese).
:)
Funny that big the blue'ish text across the top of the page, with "blood" dripping from above, says "Even Bill Gates is scared".
Anyway, it appears to be using some 32-bit RISC processor running at 58Mhz, weight at 139g, with a jog dial, and there's lots of emphasis on the freedom Linux has given you. It *is* charged from its USB cable. However, it does not seem to have any external expansion capability, i.e. more memory via SD or CF.
Equipment made in China thats actually owned by a chinese company. Imagine that.
He who knows not and knows he knows not is a wise man. He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool.
I think the /. editors are probably the last people that should be making quips about grammar, especially aimed at a system that can spell correctly
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I've always wanted a Chinese PDA. Good way to learn the language.
just what we need. another fucking clueless linux zealot.
i vote the above post the most pointless microsoft-bashing post of the day.
fuck you.
from the fish: "The high speed USB transmission, the information exchanges, the abundant electric power at will supplements"
I assume it ships with CDE by default?
CDE = Communist Desktop Environment
eh, sue me.
Either pinyin input or maybe pen devices.
Not any more. The 9th District Court of Appeals ruled earlier this week that the Pledge of Alegience is unconstitutional because it violates church-state separation due to the inclusion (from the 50s, thanks to Macarthyism) of the phrase "under God."
We are, once again, godless, at least in the 9th Circuit.
Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
I'm almost afraid to ask!
I'm too retarded! Duh!
Has the MP3 broadcast function, ultra long time digital sound recording
Not to enforce any negative cultural stereotypes, but for some reason this gave me the image of the Vietnamese prostitute (yes I know, wrong country) standing on a street corner from 'Full Metal Jacket' holding a PDA.
'Hey G.I., you like PDA?'
'You like PDA? You like MP3'
(holds out PDA)
'Play mp3, ultra long time. You record ultra looong time. Yeah baby... digital. It play digital all night long, ultra looooong time'.
The Internet is generally stupid
So I'm curious: what would be the characters for "Linux"? I checked out the web site for RedFlag Linux, but as far as I can tell, all references to "Linux" are in latin letters. Although now I know how "Red Flag" looks like in GB. :)
:Peter
> "The whole world is in sole possession of the Chinese Linux operating system..."
Sort of sounds like "All your base are belong to us."
Say the name out loud and you'll see why it's a funny name for a Chineese PDA.
-- The reader anything less than completely failing to not misunderstand this sig is cursed.
We are, once again, godless, at least in the 9th Circuit.
;-)
Thank God for that...
Heh. Actually, since the development of input methods such as CangJie, writing chinese on a conventional keyboard is not that hard.
:)
And 10,000 buttons is not enough for traditional chinese, of course (it's enough for simplified, though)...
--- Sueños del Sur - a webcomic about four young siblings
Spec:
Model: GP1288 Retail price: 1498 Yuan
Flash Memory: 32M NAND Flash
Memory: 16M SDRAM
Screen: 160*240 STN16 [steps] grey scale, Hand writing touch screen
IrDA: maximum 115200bps
Backgorund illumination: EL
Battery: Lithium Rechargable, 680mAh, fully recharged in 8 hours, last for one month in standby
Main Features Overview:
Of course, I am interested to know how it recognizes Chinese hand writing. Do they have to simplify the strokes? And whether its translation from English to Chinese and from Chinese to English is as bad as the fish's.
I mean, I still don't care about the different Chinese input methods. They are either impossible to learn in a few minutes, or they use pinyin or something like that. That has made me a read-only person as far as Chinese is concerned. If the thing has a good hand-writing recognition program, we can always expand that to a hand-writing device for an ordinary PC.
Anyhow.
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Virginity like bubble, one prick, all gone.
Man who run in front of car get tired.
Man who run behind car get exhausted.
an with hand in pocket feel cocky all day.
Foolish man give wife grand piano, wise man give wife upright organ.
Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.
Man with one chopstick go hungry.
Man who scratch ass should not bite fingernails.
Man who eat many prunes get good run for money.
Baseball is wrong: man with four balls cannot walk.
Panties not best thing on earth! but next to best thing on earth.
War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left.
Wife who put husband in doghouse soon find him in cat house.
Man who fight with wife all day get no piece at night.
It take many nails to build crib, but one screw to fill it.
Man who drive like hell, bound to get there.
Man who stand on toilet is high on pot.
Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.
Man who fish in other man's well often catch crabs.
Man who fart in church sit in own pew.
Crowded elevator smell different to midget.
dmarien
iPAQ uses a StrongARM chip, which is an Intel product. It's such a buggy chip, I can't understand its success--- other than Intel's marketing muscle. Oh, and Microsoft's clout, through the PocketPC OS--- which has, conveniently, "focused" itself on the StrongARM, and left other, more appropriate chips unsupported.
:^)
And yes, I've run Linux and PocketPC/CE on StrongARM. On an iPAQ, and on a couple of other StrongARM-based devices. I've written Linux framebuffer and USB drivers for StrongARM. I know what I'm talking about here.
MIPS chips, like those found in the Agenda and this Chinese PDA (and the now discontinued Vadem Clio and others), are more cleanly designed, have less errata, and are much cheaper. Buying something that contains one of these units tells the market that you want them to select the right chip for the job, not just pick whatever Microsoft and Intel have decided to give you.
I won't buy an iPAQ, ever.
If you do, you're just giving Microsoft and Intel another sale of PocketPC+StrongARM, even if you never boot the iPAQ to anything but Linux. If you're happy with that, then you may as well run XP on your PC, too.
And don't get me started on XScale, Intel's "replacement" for the StrongARM that does even less, yet costs more. Even Microsoft admits that XScale is a real disappointment. But that's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?
b.g.
From the fish translation, does this mean it has or supports a harddrive ?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The original title of this book was 'Jimmy James, Capitalist Lion Tamer' but I see now that it's... 'Jimmy James, Macho Business Donkey Wrestler'... you know what it is... I had the book translated in to Japanese then back in again into English.
...Glorious sunset of my heart was fading.
Macho Business Donkey Wrestler... well there you go... it's got kind of a ring to it don't it? Anyway, I wanted to read from chapter three... which is the story of my first rise to financial prominence... I had a small house of brokerage on Wall Street... many days no business come to my hut... my hut... but Jimmy has fear? A thousand times no. I never doubted myself for a minute for I knew that my monkey strong bowels were girded with strength like the loins of a dragon ribboned with fat and the opulence of buffalo... dung.
Soon the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy has fancy plans... and pants to match. The monkey clown horrible karate round and yummy like cute small baby chick would beat the donkey.
Well, you know... it's LIKE when a clown is making like a car... racer... it's sorta... like... the FCC. The CLOWN... the clown is like the FCC... and I was opposed to the FCC at the time, right? So it was like I was declaring War. WARRRR!
What did you mean when you said, "Feel my skills, donkey donkey donkey, donkey donkey?
--News Radio -- Episode #57
Simplified chinese means simplified characters that's easier to write, not in the number of characters.
Traditional Chinese to simplified Chinese is a many-to-one mapping. So simplified Chinese has fewer characters.
Breakfast served all day!
Human Bone?
Get your Unix fortune now!
unceasingly promotes the individuality world...
what's funny is that it takes the Red Chinese to finally make a PDA for the American hippie market.
You mean. they haven't?
On a related topic, does anyone have any birth/death statistics for America and China and juat about anywhere else? Preferaby multiple independent sources to get an idea of how badly the books are cooked. Enron, Global Crossing, Worldcom, anyone?
"That's Chinese GNU/Linux operating system!" -Stallman
doesn't make sense to me.
Efren Belizario
headspeak.com
Wrong, and you're an idiot. The Chinese have had gods for the past 5 milleniums. For example, there is "Guan Dong", the god of war, whose statue is commonly found in Chinese resturaunts and stores. It is their belief that this god provides security for their property. They also hold traditional polytheistic beliefs, and Buddhism. Some in China are also Muslim. If you can't tolerate other's beliefs, then you have the option of committing suicide.
FYI, there are over 10 religions with believers(not including Christian denominations) living in the US.
You must be that same intolerant bastard polluting the board with "White Pride" messages. Get lost. Nobody, if not most people on this board want to hear your racist trash.
AMEN brother!
Finding God in a Dog
but only because it is just so wrong... For more examples look here and here
no. Simplified chinese has just as many words and traditional chinese, just the characters (forgot the correct term) have been made more SIMPLE. Meaning they have less strokes (usually).
Sorry, wrong.
Read the history of the simplification of Chinese characters here.
"In 1955 1,053 variant characters were eliminated."
Traditional characters are making a comeback though, as they are easier to recognize for meaning and pronunciation than the simplfified equivalent.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
You've never seen fridge-magnet-poetry before?
the province shakes the liver moss barium generation
Chinese zither fiercely
Mr. Wu Chang for the organizational arrangements.
Mrs. Yan Liu, software/hardware coordination engineer.
Microsoft Corp. USA for providing funds for this and other Linux projects (Thanks, Bill, cya).
....
PS:
Note to lawyers: This is parody, so try somewhere else.
Sounds like Korean soccer fans. TO BE THE RED!
GUAN DONG means Manchuria
My god is my rifle. Sorry , Jimmy.Gotta go, the sheriff is here.
I am fluent in Chinese, ;-)
Also, it depends on what dialect you are talking about. You're correct-"Guang Gong" is the Cantonese pronounciation of this god. Also, "Guang Di" is the Mandarin pronounciation. It seems I got the 2 letters of "Gong" and "Di" mixed up. Thank you again.
Just like the Founding Fathers intended it to be, a Christian nation
.. not freedom of christian denomination. Why didnt they specify the part about denomination?
How is it christian? How come Jesus Christ isnt mentioned in the constitution?
freedom of religion
Ignorant Moron.
Read the second paragraph of the declaration of independence. Rights of all human beings come from God. But fuck off if you expect a GOVERNMENT to tell me who God is.
As long as you're on a roll, how about recommending a good book on learning written Chinese?
1 Portable detachable (??) keyboard. -- Portable hard disk. ** That hard disk is a little small for me. hehe. 2 Digital (??) library. -- Easy Digital Library. ** It's true, I uesed their products when I was in China. It's really easy.
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That is not offtopic, morons. GOD you are all stupid.