Zimmermann Suggests Freeing PGP Source

broody writes "NewsForge has an interesting article detailing Phillip R Zimmermann's lament at selling PGP. Since he cannot afford to buy it back outright, he is pushing for Network Associates to 'open source' it. Well, the GUI and SDK anyway. I'll say this, he's an interesting little capitalist."

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why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Sexual Asspussy]

proof

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[CmdrTaco (troll)]

Could someone please provide a descriptive addendum to this story? There were not enough details.

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Real World Stuff]

Modding this down promotes Terrorism. Mod parent Up informative and cross post that link!

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Anonymous Coward]

It's things like this that make me think the human race has no future.

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Anonymous Coward]

I think the story itself is a troll, where this happend is in India (Caste system) in Punjab. They are Hindu's btw. This is an old story, and it's not in Pakistan. Geez, get your news sources from non troll networks.

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Anonymous Coward]

If you mod me down, the terrorists have already won.

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Anonymous Coward]

Uh, this troll network says Pakistan. Perhaps the punishment is more common than we think, and this happens in India too. They really should nuke each other; sure people would die, but at least their cuture would die with them.

Re:why it's ok to kill all ragheads

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod this up. I'm shocked. Shit, let them nuke each other.

FP

[CmderTaco]

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Hahahaha

[Anonymous Coward]

Lament all you want, never shoulda sold it.

first?

[rppp01]

First sunlight? no
First day on the job? no
First lay? damn I wish
First time Cmdr Taco didn't mispell something? maybe

First post? HELL YEAH!

Re:first?

[Anonymous Coward]

Your post wasn't first. It was fourth :-) Well, at least you tried ;-)

double FP?

[YourMissionForToday]

Probably not, but check this out! And don't forget to visit Trollaxor.com.

Oh no!

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone trying to make money, and pursue the goal of Open Source development. Quick let's get RMS and beat that poor motherfucker down!

Where does this go?

[anonymous cowfart]

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[CmdrTaco (troll)]

The story posting is not regular today. My FP time predictions are off.

Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[(H)elix1]

Why bother? Its gone, sold, IP traded for cash. He knew what hw was doing when it was traded for money. If he really wants to do something, GnuPGP would probably welcome him with open arms...

First Toke #@ +420 Lewis !!!!!!!! @#

[Anonymous Coward]

Be Patriotic, Smoke Amerikan grown marijuana, not treasonous imports !!!!

Courtesy of About 420

Connotative Use/Meaning

420 is a phreak s (and not just a hippie s) favorite number for a
variety of reasons, or maybe for no reason at all, but colloquially
the number says pot -- let s smoke pot, or someone s smoking
pot, or gee, i really like pot, or time to smoke pot, either by
time (4:20 a.m. or p.m.), date (April 20th), or otherwise (e.g. State
Route 420). April 20th at 4:20 is marked by annual events in
Mount Tamalpais, CA (an informal gathering); Marin Conty, CA
(the 420 Hemp Fest); Ann Arbor, MI (the Hash Bash); and
Washington, D.C. (buildup towards the July 4th Smoke-In).

Original Source(s)

Conventional wisdom: The most common tale is that 420 is the
police radio code or criminal code (and therefore the police call)
in certain part(s) of California (e.g. in Los Angeles or San
Francisco) for having spotted someone consuming cannabis
publicly, i.e. pot smoking in progress; that local cannabis users
picked up on the code and began celebrating the number temporally
(esp. 4:20 a.m., 4:20 p.m., and April 20); that the number became
nationally popularized in the late 1980s and, more ferverently, in
the early- to mid-1990s; and is colloquially applied to a variety of
relaxed and/or inspired contexts, including not only pot
consumption but also a good time more generally (in contrast to
the drug war surrounding).

Conventions are legends: 420 is not police radio code for
anything, anywhere. Checks of criminal codes (including those of
the City of San Francisco, the City of Los Angeles, Los Angeles
County, the State of California, and the federal penal code) suggest
that the origin is neither Californian nor federal (the two best
guesses). For instance, California Penal Code 420 defines as a
misdemeanor the hindrance of use (obstructing entry) of public
lands, and California Family Code 420 defines what constitutes a
wedding ceremony (Marco). One state does come close: The
Illinois Department of Revenue classifies the Alcoholic Liquor Act
under Part 420, and the Cannabis and Controlled Substances Tax
Act are next, under Part 428. (RB 5/19/99)

True story?: According to Steven Hager, editor of High Times,
the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971,
among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who
called themselves the Waldos. The term 420 was shorthand for the
time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis
Pasteur, to smoke pot. ``Waldo Steve, a member of the group who
now owns a business in San Francisco, says the Waldos would
salute each other in the school hallway and say ``420 Louis! The
term was one of many invented by the group, but it was the one
that caught on. ``It was just a joke, but it came to mean all kinds of
things, like `Do you have any? or `Do I look stoned? he said.
``Parents and teachers wouldn t know what we were talking about.
The term took root, and flourished, and spread beyond San Rafael
with the assistance of the Grateful Dead and their dedicated cohort
of pot-smoking fans. The Waldos decided to assert their claim to
the history of the term after decades of watching it spread, mutate
and be appropriated by commercial interests. The Waldos contacted
Hager, and presented him with evidence of 420 s history, primarily
a collection of postmarked letters from the early 70s with lots of
mention of 420. They also started a Web site, waldo420.com. ``We
have proof, we were the first, Waldo Steve said. ``I mean, it s not
like we wrote a book or invented anything. We just came up with a
phrase. But it s kind of an honor that this emanated from San
Rafael. Maria Alicia Gaura for the San Francisco Chronicle,
4/20/00 p. A19; and thanks to Noah Cole for the submission

Alternate explanations

There are a variety of other explanations, all much more interesting
than police code, and many plausible. Some are more likely uses
of the 420/hemp connection rather than sources of it, such as the
score for the football game in Fast Times at Ridgement High,
42-0.

Known Myths: It isn t police code (see above). There are 315
chemicals in marijuana, not 420. And although tea time in
Amsterdam is rumored to be 4:20, it is actually 5:30 (Gerhard
den Hollander).
Sixties Songs: For instance, Bob Dylan s famous Rainy Day
Women #12 and 35 is a possible reference, or source --
12x35=420. And Stephen Stills wrote (and Crosby Stills Nash
& Young performed) a song 4+20 (first recorded 7/16/69,
released on Deja Vu 3/11/70) about an 84-year-old
poverty-stricken man who started and finished with nothing.
(Thanks to Sherry Keel 12/6/98.) Dylan aslo mentions 4 and
20 windows in The Balland of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest
(on John Wesley Harding).
Older Verse: But 420 in poetry is older than that - Greg
Keller notes the old nursery rhyme line, four and twenty
black birds baked in a pie. Revelation 5:14 (in the King
James Version of the Christian Bible) reads, And the four
beasts said A-Men. And the four and twenty elders fell down
and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. (Travis
Spurley 2/15/99) And in Midnight s_Children, Salman
Rushdie wrote, Inevitably, a number of these children failed
to survive. Malnutrition, disease and the misfortunes of
everyday life had accounted for no less than four hundred and
twenty of them by the time I became conscious of their
existence; although it is possible to hypothesize that these
deaths, too, had their purpose, since 420 has been, since time
immemorial, the number associated with fraud, deception and
trickery. (Comet 2/14/98) Comet s best guess is that this
refers to something in Indian mythology or numerology, since
the book is set in India and frequently involves Indian history,
culture, and religion. Given the high interest in Eastern
religion among the phish/dead community, this seems a likely
origin of 420 s current significance.
Temporal Significance: Hands on analog clock at 4:20 look
like position of doobie dangling from mouth Larry in
Tuscan and Alex Mack 5/19/99). Disruptive students are out
of detention and safetly away from school by 4:20, also
rumored to be the time that you should dose to be peaking
when the Dead went on stage Hart. The Waldos were a
group of teens back in the 70 s that lived in San Rafael, CA.
420 was the way they talked about pot in front of teachers,
non-smoking family members etc. Also it was the time of day
they could just go relax, and get baked. (PhunkCellar)
Jamaicans purportedly worked till 4 then walked home then
lit up. They would talk 420 like our parents talked about after
5. That s when partying began Larry in Tuscan). Albert (not
Abbie) Hofmann supposedly first encountered LSD at 4:20
p.m. on 4/19/1943 (Bart Coleman citing Storming Heaven by
Jay Stevens, recommended by Mickey Hart in Planet Drum).
Surrealist painter Miro was born April 20, 1893. And
www.filmspeed.com says the propoganda film Reefer
Madness has a copyright date of April 20, 1936 (i.e. 4/20).
(Patrick Woolford)
Misc: Could be that it comes from hydroponics, the practice
of cultivating plants in water often used by indoor marijuana
cultivators, since 4 is used for H on a calculator (420/H20).
(Nick Lowe 3/30/00) The number 80 (eight) is quatre vingt
(pronounced cah-truh vahn), meaning four (times} twenty.
Dan Nijjar 1/27/00 (No connection yet between the number
80 and pot. A quarter pound is roughly 120 grams, rounding
quarter-ounces to 7.5.) The titanic was supposed to arrive
4/20/1912. (Thanks to RB.) Perhaps the heavy use of vt420
terminals in the Berkeley area is to blame? (BTW, 420 in
binary code is 110100100.)

Ubiquitous?

Now there s a 420 Pale Ale. One of the late-97/early-98 Got
Milk ads featured a character eating cookies without milk and
then passing a sign that reads Next Rest Area 420 miles (as Ross
Bruning). Reportedly, all of the clocks in the movie Pulp Fiction
are stuck on 4:20. Shirts with the number 420 on the red-and-blue
interstate highway shield (Interstate 420?) have show up on the
sitcom Will and Grace (Paul Risenhoover 5/14/99) and in several
videos. UPS labelling software has a 420 postal code legend for
next-day/2-day deliveries (which is how Phish tickets are sent).
(Jack Lebowitz 10/3/98) MTV s 1997 Viewer s Choice Award (for
the MTV Video Awards) was decided by calls to
1-800-420-4MTV. And by May of 1998, the number was
appearing in so many ads (eg Copenhagen 5/14/98 Rolling Stone
p54, Corvette p55 5/98 Car & Driver) that its presence is
presumed to be intentional. Many songs are around 4 minutes 20
seconds long (since many songs fall between 2:30 and 5:30),
including for example Pink Floyd s A Great Day for Freedom (on
The Division Bell, 1994), the Foo Fighters My Hero, and
Smokin from Boston s first album. There have also been some
420 references on The Simpsons. In the re-run episode aired on
April 20th, 1999 at a special time (probably in honor of those
college students staying in the holiday spirit ;-), Homer mentions to
Flanders that Barney s birthday is April 20th. Also, the jackpot sign
in one part of the casino says $420,000. There are a couple less
concrete ones, but these two have to be legit, especially since they
decided to air THAT particular episode on 4/20/99. (Submitted by
Matt Meehan 4/21/99) And (as of Fall 99) the 60 free minutes that
Working Assets Long Distance offers, at the 7 cents per minute
rate, is $4.20 free. There s even a band named 420, and another
names . In the first fifteen pages of Karel Capek s novel War with
the Newts, a man diving under wonder stayed down for four
minutes and twenty seconds. Grant Garstka 1/6/00 At the
suggested retail price ($3.96) and Michigan (6%) sales tax, a deck
of Uno cards costs $4.20. Nic Boris 4:20 marks the first downbeat
of the drums in Led Zeppelin s epic Stairway to Heaven. (Dan
Harris) The bill authorizing force after the World Trade Center
attacks of 9/11/01 passed 420 to 1, and news reports in following
months noted many times that there are (or were then, anyway) 420
airports in the U.S. Allan Morris And don t forget that Adolf Hitler
was born on April 20, macabely celebrated (or at least
referenced) via the Columbine High School shootings.

Phish-related Occurances

Whatever the origin, the number appears frequently... For the
summer 1997 tour, TicketMaster service charges were $4.20. In
the Fall 1997 Doniac Schvice Dry Goods section, a limited edition
Pollack poster printed on 100% hemp is order number 420P. The
Great Went was 420 miles from Boston (former home of Phish).
The official logo includes 4 gills and 20 bubbles (Gringo
11/12/98). As of 6/15/97, including covers and originals, Phish
had performed a total of 420 songs (thought its 486 by 4/24/98).
(David Steinberg). Lawnboy is 420megs of memory. Patrick
Walker Phish s The Vibration of Life underlies a whirling loop
with Seven Beats per second (which makes 420 beats per minute.)
Trey has used the altered line woke up at 4:20 in Makisupa
Policeman, which also often indirectly celebrates 420ing, e.g. by
mention of goo balls. One of the funniest shirts around takes light
jabs at both the 4:20 phenomenon and the rumored evolution
(collapse?) of the Phish.Net (especially rec.music.phish) from
being Gamehendge to Flamehendge, and beyond. The first day of
the Great Went started at 4:20 (with Makisupa Policeman. (The
second day started late, at 4:37.) Noah Cole The first single from
Slip Stitch and Pass was played on WBCN 10/14/97 at 4:20 pm.
An uproar at 12/31/96 can be heard on tape during the 2001, in
response to an enormous digital clock (which was counting down
to midnight) reaching 11:55:40 and reading -4:20. (Yoda)
During the 9-12-00 2001, Trey hits the first riff right at 4:20 into
the intro jam. (Cal 2/25/01) Some mail order tickets for the 1997
New Year s run were in section 420. The first Mass Pike toll
leaving Oswego was $4.20. (Camille Heath ) And the standard
shipping for The Phish Companion through Amazon was
originally $4.20.

420 Shows: Phish performed on April 20 in 1989, 1990, 1991,
1993, and 1994. The first day of the Great Went started at 4:20,
although that was called a soundcheck by Trey after three songs.
The Jazzfest Harry Hood 4-26-96 started at about 4:20 reported by
Trevor. At Big Cypress, David Bowie was playing at 4:20 a.m.
And the one event during the hiatus (10/8/00 - ?) featuring all
four members - for Jason Colton s wedding - was 12/1/01, 420
from: http://www.phish.net/faq/n420.html:

Moron

[Anonymous Coward]

a) This dude is a moron. b) The fact that there are even "rules" set by some "federation" for this is amazing.

Why bother?

[Anonymous Coward]

As Larry Wall likes to say, There's more than one way to do it.

Why should we care what Network Assosciates's proprietary privacy software does? There's no good reason one can't write their own Public Key Encryption software.

In fact, it seems to me GPG already did that awhile ago :)

Re:Why bother?

[Cally]

>Why should we care what Network Assosciates's
>proprietary privacy software does? There's no good
>reason one can't write their own Public Key >Encryption software

Because another Free implementation - of anything - will always be useful.

Why listen to him?

[BFD_Jon]

If this guy sold PGP five years ago, what authority does he have now to suggest the change?

Re:Why listen to him?

[Cally]

> If this guy sold PGP five years ago, what authority
> does he have now to suggest the change?

"This guy" developed the PGP protocol, and it's first implementation, then released it freely on the Internet when it seemed likely the US Govt. was about to criminalise *all* personal encryption.

So, only moral authority... which doesn't seem to be worth much on the free market, these days.

Re:Why listen to him?

[GodInHell]

If it were sold in Europe and treated as Art, which code can be, than Zimmerman would have full authority to audit and suggest changes in course on any future revisions on his 'art'.

Is Code a product, or a design, design's are art, objects are property.

-Gih
Didn't you read the sign? Accepting this lawnmower at discount enables us to come install this here billboard on your yard! Damn illiterate lawn users.

Re:Why listen to him?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not only that, but he was involved in a legal quagmire for quite some time, thanks to the U.S. government classifying encryption as a munition. It is hard to blame the man for selling PGP when his legal expenditures probably placed him in quite a bit of debt.

We should all be thankful that Phil was willing to stand up for something like this.

Re:Why listen to him?

[Anonymous Coward]

Phil never released the source code, dude. He knew what would happen, and wanted nothing to do with the release.

He was simply a paid consultant, and delivered the goods to the guy who hired hime. It was THAT guy who released it.

Don't forget, there were TWO people hauled up in front of the grand jury.

Re:Why listen to him?

[nomadic]

what authority does he have now to suggest the change?

Over here we call it the "First Amendment".

Re:Why listen to him?

[klykken]

Fact is, we need him with us more than ever. If not as GnuPG contributor, then as a speaker of technology/crypto and the freedom of the people. In both the U.S. and Europe, the 1984 ghost is materializing.

Re:Why listen to him?

[Anonymous Coward]

This guy SOLD IT.

He has (had, but that's his problem) the property.

Now he doesn't.

What was that earlier /. story about techies thinking the Internet needed new laws 'cos they couldn't understand the old ones?

He NEVER "released it freely", he "made it available for review". This is not an open source/free software hero. He's a "top 10 inovator in e-business" for f*ck's sake. (asterisk to save innocent minds of /. readers).

Commercial VPN client.....

[jsimon12]

What sucks is they dropped the commercial VPN client totally, the freeware version is still around (or was a couple weeks ago) but it only supports machine to machine, no machine to network connectivity, that was only in the commercial version.

Re:Commercial VPN client.....

[tzanger]

What sucks is they dropped the commercial VPN client totally, the freeware version is still around (or was a couple weeks ago) but it only supports machine to machine, no machine to network connectivity, that was only in the commercial version.

That doesn't suck at all, unless you're using Win95/98. Win2k has built in IPSec and it works quite well with FreeS/WAN (I am using it every day). vpn.ebootis.de (funny name, great documentation) shows you how to patch FreeS/WAN to use X/509 certs, and how to generate the certs, and how to make win2k and FreeS/WAN play nice together. PGPNet for Win2k was a little bit of a goofy thing.

Re:Commercial VPN client.....

[benjamindees]

Yeah, that does suck. I was just looking for this yesterday, to use with Gibraltar Firewall. Many home users still use 95/98/Me and upgrading a gaming PC to Windows 2000 is like pulling teeth compared to installing a third-party VPN client.

PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

For quite some time now, the PGP source has been available here. Admittedly, it's not the latest and greatest - but this is open source folks, surely some talented hackers out there can expand on what is already open?

Hell, we might even be able to create open-source, free PGP plugins for the masses to use. Transparent encryption for everyone!

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

That is a good idea. They already did some of it with the GPG project.

Yes, the international PGP site .. I remember downloading the sources of PGP three years ago to compile on my Sun box. I don't really see what the fuss is here either?

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes but unfortunately the latest and greatest contain desirable features, such as VPNs and hard drive encryption. I however do agree with you, the source is open so why can't someone else add it on for free?

Getting NA to open up seems more like laziness to me! And of course, it is of no benefit to them at all to do so.

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

The fuss is that people want the VPN features to be open source too.

I say just use something like FreeSWAN or get yourself an OpenBSD firewall and use that for VPNs.

Re:PGP Source already open

[autocracy]

Uh, that's great, but they still own it. Yes, you can look at the code, but you can't use or modify it without their consent - which I don't think that they intend to give. Open source means that you get those benefits.

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah but there's nothing to stop people using the ideas and algorithms implemented by that code. Hence the benefits of read only open source - interoperability.

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

i agree, its just free software zealots getting greedy and wanting more than they desreve!!

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

you can't get freeswan for windows yet. pgp is the only vpn package that works under XP too. (and don't suggest raptormobile, that shit is buggy as hell!)

Re:PGP Source already open

[sgtron]

"Yes, you can look at the code, but you can't use or modify it without their consent"

Actually you *can* modify it and use it as you like you just can't *distribute* it.

Re:PGP Source already open

[God! Awful]

Admittedly, it's not the latest and greatest - but this is open source folks, surely some talented hackers out there can expand on what is already open?

Try reading the article before you post. The article tells you why this couldn't happen.

-a

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

mod parent down, that link is a picture of shit covered dude exposing his penis. it locks up Mozilla too. quite an awful prank, good thing i'm not at work.

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

did you click on the link?
its shit porn.

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod this asshole down, the link points to a really sick picture.

Only idiot moderator would pass this through.

Re:PGP Source already open

[Anonymous Coward]

Why is this modded down? It just goes to a pgp site which mirrors the source code.

I noticed these trolls accusing other posts of having 'scat porn' links tonight, a bit of a snide tactic don't you think?

Re:PGP Source already open

[autocracy]

OK, let's put this one to rest for once and all. I can't even begin to use the code unless I've paid for the right to do so. PGP Freeware exempted yes, but if I'm trying to do something for, say, a company, then I can't do squat with the code. Sure, I could theoritically modify it, but I would be in trouble for using that code until I've bought the license.

It should be practice

[www.sorehands.com]

If a company is going to dump a product, they should open source it.

If they can't make money with it, and they don't plan on it, it could be used to build will and advertising. Part of the requirement would be to leave in the advertsing banners. Or require some form of license for inclusion into other commercial software.

Note that they have not conceeded that PGP cannot be sold off, yet.

Re:It should be practice

[MisterBlister]

While that sounds good in practice, there's a ton of issues that stand in the way of this becoming common practice.

The primary issue is that open sourcing previously closed source applications is not something the company can do for free. There's a ton of legal issues that must be considered (use of third party code, etc, etc) before a release can be made, that costs time and it costs a lot of money in most cases.

Then you hit secondary issues like shareholder reaction to the company not only giving its products away for free to whoever wants them, but also giving source code and thus some perceived competitive help (even if its not true) to the company's competitors.

All in all, there are a lot of headaches involved. Its not something most companies will do unless there's some direct market benefit for them, ala commoditizing a compliment (see here).

Re:It should be practice

[Anonymous Coward]

What's in it for id software? They seem to be making a habit of it and their engine code is arguably worth a large sum of money.

Re:It should be practice

[Anonymous Coward]

If a company is going to dump a product, they should open source it.

If you have a lot of cash in the bank you should give it all to me.

Re:It should be practice

[dberger]

If a company is going to dump a product, they should open source it.

Great theory - it'll never work in the large. Large projects are often encumbered with 3rd party licenses (like for crypto libs, or O-R mapping tools, or the ever despised^?popular RogueWave components) which can't be extracted to produce a usable body of code and clearly can't be opensourced...

Re:It should be practice

[MisterBlister]

id is a private company (no pressure or threat of legal action from shareholders), and small enough by far that they can reasonably know exactly what third party depenencies might exist in their code without assigning a committee to investigate it.

The vast majority of software companies are nothing like id on both of those accounts.

Re:It should be practice

[schon]

If a company is going to dump a product, they should open source it.

If you have a lot of cash in the bank you should give it all to me.

Actually, if you're trying to draw an analogy, you should have said "If you have a lot of cash in the bank and you're going to throw it in the trash, you should give it to charity instead"

Of course, this completely screws your point of view, right?

Re:It should be practice

[www.sorehands.com]

If there are commercial libraries, then release the source, with the caveat that to build it you need that/those library. They could also release the binaries.

good newssource?

[gol64738]

not to bash slashdot, but why is it that Linux Today always posts the latest linux stories at least half a day before slashdot does?

anyways, on a side note, i think zimmerman is in the wrong here. if he is so concerned about the concept of pgp, then why isn't he focusing his efforts on GnuPG, which is a completely open version of the PGP concept?

Re:good newssource?

[Anonymous Coward]

This isn't a "linux story".

It's a PGP story.

PGP is not specific to Linux, and has been around on other platforms far longer.

Re:good newssource?

[Anonymous Coward]

He's concerned about having a decent product out there that everyone can use. GnuPG is great, but not everyone is willing/able to use it without a pretty GUI attached to it.

Re:good newssource?

[_Sprocket_]

He's concerned about having a decent product out there that everyone can use. GnuPG is great, but not everyone is willing/able to use it without a pretty GUI attached to it.

Then use one of the many GUI's or email clients / plugins that support GnuPG.

I don't get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

You can download PGP for free right now. And the source code has been published. The enterprise version is still for sale. What is he complaining about?

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Neon Spiral Injector]

No, they probally wouldn't. The IP belongs to NA, and I think he has probally seen the source code, so Gnu couldn't claim their code was a clean room implimentation.

Umm.

[MisterBlister]

Maybe he should have thought about that before selling it?

Considering Network Associates isn't developing it further, I somewhat see his point, but I don't see how he really has a say in the matter.

Re:Umm.

[Anonymous Coward]

Doesn't matter - worked with the folks at ViaCrypt in PHX and nobody has gotten past the ge-whiz tech of this stuff to actually think up how to put it to good use - and no, encryption/security aint it.

Phil - go talk to Dave at userland

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[jeffy124]

PGP is very good in Outlook for email and within Windows for it's other features. Not making it available for Windows leaves people stuck in Windows with only proprietary options bundled in with Outlook/Windows, or those supplied by other vendors. GnuPG (not GnuPGP) dont work in Windows (well, it might via cygwin, but I'm not counting on it).

What about....

[eyegor]

What about doing what Microplanet did with their Gravity news reader and making it freely available in binary format for all to use?

That way they don't have to give up the rights to it, but still have a loyal base of users. When they're able to make a buck off PGP again they can add some "must-have" features and the customer base will slowly come back to the commercial fold. As it is, the freeware versions will dominate and eventually PGP will be forgotten by most people.

Re:What about....

[CaptainZapp]

What about doing what Microplanet did with their Gravity news reader and making it freely available in binary format for all to use?

Because that reduces the credibility of the product to basically zero.

It doesn't matter if you understand the source, or are a crypto expert. If you can't analyze the source and compile it yourself, the product is essentially worthless from a crypto perspective.

Dead Man's Switch

[peterdaly]

His idea for a Dead Man's Switch license would be very interesting to see implemented. It would be nice to see something like that used in a lot of commercial software.

Think of all the software that might still be available if they had such a clause in their license. Hell, just the games!

-Pete

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[Bruce Perens]

This is sort of like source-code escrow, but not customer-specific.

In source-code escrow, the vendor promises to provide the source-code to the customer if the vendor goes out of business.

The problem is that bankruptcy courts often overturn source-code escrow clauses, because the source code turns out to be the firm's only salable asset.

The best solution is to free the code first, and for the customer to be careful not to become dependent on closed-source.

Bruce

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd like it, just to bang on the 6502 assembler source for the original Final Fantasy.

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[kalidasa]

His idea for a Dead Man's Switch license would be very interesting to see implemented. It would be nice to see something like that used in a lot of commercial software.

They used to have that. It was called copyright. One got a fixed term of copyright, could renew it for a small fee after that term to extend it to 75 years (net, not additional), and then it would go public domain after the 75 years were up. Then someone thought of the Berne Convention, and someone else thought of the Bono Bill, and someone else thought of the DMCA . . .

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[eli173]

I think BitKeeper had a "dead man's switch" clause that would place BitKeeper under the GPL, but I can't find it on the web site...
I found some info here, but it doesn't address the "dead man's switch".

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[gwernol]

In source-code escrow, the vendor promises to provide the source-code to the customer if the vendor goes out of business.

The problem is that bankruptcy courts often overturn source-code escrow clauses, because the source code turns out to be the firm's only salable asset.

Sorry to follow this a little off-topic, but this is interesting as I'm currently working with a commercial third party and we have a source-code escrow clause exactly of the sort you mention. Can you cite any specific cases where these have been overturned? I ask not because I disbelieve you but because it would be good to have case law to show my management so we can evaluate the risk of this happening to us (we're not confident of the future stability of the third party).

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[Bruce Perens]

I lost the original case but found the following on google - there's more there. The first two citations here directly address the bankruptcy issue:

• http://my.ais.net/~lawmsf/articl15.htm
• http://www.wernick.com/Articles/1986Jun01%20Sour ce %20Code%20Escrow.pdf
• http://www.softescrow.com/faq.html

Thanks

Bruce

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[FunkyChild]

I agree with the sentiment, but there's nothing in copyright law that commits people to releasing source code once the copyright term has finished. All it means is that you can re-distribute the copyrighted material (most usually the binaries) at will, legally. If the source code was never released to the public, there's no law that forces you to suddenly make it available.

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[DavidTC]

Yes, and no.

The problem is that software is a combination of trade secret and copyright, in a sense.

If the publisher of, say, a book, stops producing copies of that book, and doesn't renew it, it goes public domain. (And it's supposed to be about 20 years, not 75. Damned Mouse.) With a copy of the book, you can make more copies of the book, or modify it.

Software is unique because you don't get all of it. Sure, you don't get the script of a TV show when it falls into the public domain, but you can recreate the product by transcription. Anything besides software, you can take the 'tangible form' and recreate 'the source' from it, and build it again. (Note things have to be in a 'tangible form' to be copyrighted, you can't copyright, for example, a non-taped performance of a play, but that's okay because no one can copy one of those. You just copyright the script first.)

I think that software companies should have to submit all source to the copyright office for exactly this reason. The concept of things falling into the public domain includes them being in a useful state when they do, and software won't be.

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[Deven]

I think that software companies should have to submit all source to the copyright office for exactly this reason. The concept of things falling into the public domain includes them being in a useful state when they do, and software won't be.

I agree, and there's a good public-policy argument to be made here. Too bad the "content industry" has convinced Congress that the purpose of copyright is to enrich them, and the "copyright bargain" has been completely forgotten. Of course, for this to work, you'd have to reverse the Berne convention and go back to requiring copyrights to be registered. (Which probably would be a good thing for the public interest as well, but that's another point.)

Re:Dead Man's Switch

[kalidasa]

I think that software companies should have to submit all source to the copyright office for exactly this reason. The concept of things falling into the public domain includes them being in a useful state when they do, and software won't be.

Of course, for this to work, you'd have to reverse the Berne convention and go back to requiring copyrights to be registered. (Which probably would be a good thing for the public interest as well, but that's another point.)

The copyright office's Circular 61 requires that much of the source code be submitted with a copyright registration request, about 50 pages, with trade secrets blacked out. One could imagine a copyright reform requiring that registrations, to be accepted, must be accompanied by the entire uncensored source code of the work to be copyrighted, and that trade secrets which are patentable would be required to be patented before copyright is registered, obviating the need for blocking out trade secrets in the source code. Unregistered works would not get the more onerous protections of the DMCA, but just the standard Berne Convention protections. Of course, the producers would be up in arms. Can you imagine how MS would feel having to register an entire hard copy of the Windows source code to get protection under the DMCA?

BTW, in case it ain't obvious, IANAL.

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[Anonymous Coward]

ROB MALDA IS DEAD!

GPG is just fine but GUI needs work

[saphena]

PGP being sold out was the inspiration for the OpenPGP project which generated GPG, a perfectly good alternative to PGP.

The only real problem with GPG is the comparative lack of high quality "mere end user" facilities such as a good GUI.

Let's all dump PGP, it's served its purpose and its time is done. Put your effort into making GPG (real open source!) widely accepted and used.

Re:GPG is just fine but GUI needs work

[Anonymous Coward]

Why not check out WinPT?

They have a nice little frontend for GPG that can sit in your system tray, and related projects bring GPG in to the Mozilla and Eudora mail clients as well. Plus, it's GPL'ed.

That's only for Windows, but I'm sure there are plenty of good GPG front ends for Linux and other Operating Systems as well.

I've switched, and I'm not looking back.

Re:GPG is just fine but GUI needs work

[_Sprocket_]

It might be worth noting that WinPT isn't the usual front-end / GUI shell like the old PGP days. WinPT actually uses GnuPG's new API called GPGME.

Re:GPG is just fine but GUI needs work

[Anonymous Coward]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I second your recommendation. Nothing beats hitting Shift-Alt-S to sign messages in any edit box. I'm seriously impressed.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Anonymous Coward]

it does. i use it. please dont spread fud.
gnupg works just fine in win32

A thought

[Real World Stuff]

Since he developed PGP, why not develop a RGP, or Really Good Privacy. He can keep this one open, and it can compete with the closed source version.

It offers the liberty of being Free and Free.

Just my .0199999999

Ethics please!

[Anonymous Coward]

Some ethics would be in place, this guy SOLD it to network associates, it's quite immoral for him to request them to open source it now!

PGP has been a quite successful product but they charged to little for it, it's funny how many software companies there is out there that don't think people value their products. Low self-estem I guess.

Re:Ethics please!

[mindstrm]

It's not immoral at all for him to request this, anymore than it's immoral for anyone else to request it.

He sold it to them, yes, but now they've effectively killed it, and don't plan to do anything with it.. so it's fair enough that the pgp using world want's to see it opened. Zimmerman is one of those.

Re:Ethics please!

[fmaxwell]

Some ethics would be in place, this guy SOLD it to network associates, it's quite immoral for him to request them to open source it now!

How is it immoral for him to make that request? Suppose that you sold a car to your neighbor. Two years later, you find it rusting on blocks in their front lawn. Would it be immoral of you to politely suggest that they donate it to a worthy charity? I think not.

Re:Ethics please!

[Anonymous Coward]

How many worthy charities would want a car rusting on blocks?

Re:Ethics please!

[fmaxwell]

I didn't say it would be a good idea. I just said it would be an ethical one.

Sad for Zimmerman but irrelevant

[mikehunt]

When Zimmerman sold PGP, what did he expect? That people would start paying
Network Associates money to use something that most people still don't
see the need for?

Forget it Phil. You killed PGP when you sold it. GPG is there take over from
PGP and make sure that those who understand the need for good encryption still
have some reviewable source to trust.

Re:Sad for Zimmerman but irrelevant

[eyegor]

Perhaps he should buy it from them for what he paid. Then he can do with it what he wants.

Re:Sad for Zimmerman but irrelevant

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, there is lots of companies that would pay lots of money for a product like that, NAI charged way to little.

There are quite a number of IT-related companies run by people who are just clueless when it comes to business.

Re:Sad for Zimmerman but irrelevant

[_Sprocket_]

When Zimmerman sold PGP, what did he expect? That people would start paying
Network Associates money to use something that most people still don't
see the need for?

Maybe he expected a large company like Network Associates might know how to properly market and maintain the product. Its seems that if that assumption was made, it was incorrect.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[caca_phony]

he has probally seen the source code, so Gnu couldn't claim their code was a clean room implimentation.

Nothing of the sort is neccisary. BSD unix was a non-cleanroom reimplimentation of AT&T unix. BSD won when it went to court. It is easier to be cleanroom though.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[cygnusx]

GnuPG (not GnuPGP) dont work in Windows

GnuPG _does_ work on Windows: http://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32-1.0.6 -2.zip

But it's not graphical. For that, I've been using WinPT for some time. It's a pretty good replacement for PGPtray, not as pretty though. And it imported all my PGP 6.x/Win Keys fine too. Download with all dependencies here

I doubt it will happen

[Aknaton]

Didn't I read where they were "asking" people to remove copies of PGP for download, even though they didn't offer or support PGP anymore?

Doesn't bode well, if you ask me.

Unreleased Updates

[MacDork]

I've read on numerous occasions that NA has versions of PGP updated to run on OS X and XP, but aren't releasing them. Something to do with 9/11 maybe? It seems stupid to simply throw away a defacto standard.

Let's hope the geeks here make that problem irrelevant. So far the Mac side is doing *OK* with tools like GPG Tools, GPGMail, and Apple's own AES encrypted volumes using Disk Copy. However, syncing with key servers, file wiping and other functionality available in PGPFreeware is sorely missed. Maybe Phil Z should start a company focused on GPG rather than wasting his energy trying to get PGP open sourced...

Re:Unreleased Updates

[zulux]

To stroke the black helicopter theories...

Several friends of mine work at Microsoft, and apparently, according to one of them - important government types have been at the Microsoft campus. This gist is that has somthing to do with the whole DRM/encryption thingy.

It makes sense in a odd sort of way - if the govenment could get a back door into the worlds most popular operating system, they would have a goldmine. I'd be disapointed in the NSA if they diden't try.

Re:Unreleased Updates

[fferreres]

Some people just can't realize that if Microsoft can access you computer (DRM enforcing, Windows Update, Whatever), then the Goverment does as well. I cannot think of any reason why Microsoft would fight against goverment access. After all, they are their BEST allies.

What do they have to lose? If it ever gets public they'd say "How, they forced us, to prevent terrorism. There's nothing we can do. It's the price for our societies safety. We are glad we are helping our people win against terror".

We could do a poll about this topic, and see what the crow thinks.

Re:Unreleased Updates

[God! Awful]

I've read on numerous occasions that NA has versions of PGP updated to run on OS X and XP, but aren't releasing them. Something to do with 9/11 maybe? It seems stupid to simply throw away a defacto standard.

Why is the immediate reaction to news like this on Slashdot always a conspiracy theory? Have you considered the possibility that companies like NAI (which are in business to make money) simply don't see any reason why they should give a product away for free? They paid good money for PGP and it turned out to be a real turkey.

Apparently they still sell the command line version. In an odd-case of open source business cases reversing themselves, Phil wants them to open source the GUI. If they do that, how long will it be before someone writes an open source set of command line tools? I guess they could release it with a special license that prohibits you from developing command line tools. Of course, someone would do it anyway and lawsuits would ensue.

The whole dead man's switch thing is pretty funny. Basically what Zimmerman is saying is "here's a product that I know is going to drive you into bankruptcy, so I'm taking advance precautions." If you really want the program then go buy it. Get together a consortium of interested parties and start a fund to buy back the rights. Of course, it would never work, but that's never stopped people before.

-a
The advantage of the GPL is that your customers can maintain and upgrade your software, even after you go bankrupt.

Re:Unreleased Updates

[zenith744]

"...We could do a poll about this topic, and see what the crow thinks..."

I think we all know what Crow thinks:

"I want to decide who lives and dies!"

I think a poll of this nature would be unrevealing. But I've been wrong before.

Re:Unreleased Updates

[linzeal]

that would be the death knell of microsoft or any company.

Re:Unreleased Updates

[fferreres]

Not sure. The goverment will have a nice incentive to keep the monopoly alive and kicking. Maybe even force other verdors to license code from Microsoft, so that they can access everything.

It's just a posibility. If you can imagine the FBI saying "Oh, we could gather inteligence directly for Microsoft but, oh wait. The privacy thing! We'll have to find another solution."

Come on, have you switched ISP because of the gov. sniffing?

Phil, Please Join Us!

[Bruce Perens]

Phil,

We'd really like you to join the work on GnuPG, and on GUI projects like GNOME. I think it would be most productive to write off the PGP code base and continue your work on the existing Free Software projects. We've gotten most of the hard work done already.

Thanks

Bruce

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

Phil,

Dont waste your time on Gnome. Its written by a bunch of loosers just so they can be contrary. Work on a project with a future: KDE.

Thanks.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

He may be a troll who can't spell loser, but what he said is true.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[MAXOMENOS]

Let me second this. (Yes, I'm seconding Bruce Perens. How's that for chutzpah?.)

Most of the Gnu Privacy Guard code base is in place, but we still need a ton of help with GUIs, APIs, Web-based encrypted email, etc. And there is no GnuPGFone as far as I know.

I know PGP is your baby .. I can appreciate that, and I know what it's like to lose control of your baby. I'm not going to pretend that GnuPG is the same thing. Nonetheless, GnuPG is working toward (mostly) the same goals, and that's something worth considering. They could also use your help, as you have years and years of hard-won experience in this field. Yeah, they're young punks, but they mean well and they do good.

Just my two cents.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

Phil,

Do you understand now? The people behind GNOME are not developers. They are fanatics. They do not care that many people will be adopting an irrelevant, obsolete windowing system because of their activities. They do not care that there are valid criticisms of Gnome. They do not care that virtually no one outside their fanatical cult uses gnome. They only care about being contrary, and destroying anyone, such as myself, who stands in their way, while simultaneously creating astroturf support for a dead windowing system.

I repeat: Stay away from Gnome. Fuck gnome. KDE is the future!

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

the misspelling was intentional. looooooosers would have been too much.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

Most of the hard work is done? I think not. GPG is at the stage PGP was at in about 1995. Very bad Windows GUIs, and a command line utility. PGP is so much more than GPG. Even if takes a year to rescue PGP, the time saved will be more than worthwhile over basically starting from scratch with GPG. PGP is PGPdisk, PGPvpn, PGPmail, PGPfire, PGP Keyserver, PGP SDK, PGPfone, and much more developed, refined, and reviewed over a 10 year time period. GPL simply doesn't lend itself to security and GUI. Open source, yes. GPL, no. GPG has barely changed in several years. It is not the way to achieve the goal.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

What has GPG got to do with Gnome?

Anyway, Gnome is older than KDE, so wasn't made to be 'contrary'.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

There are other free software projects that take the place of PGPdisk, PGPvpn, PGPfire, PGP key server. While there isn't a PGPfone, there is a netmeeting-compatible phone and a phone server, I guess nobody's done their encryption. The netscape security SDK is pretty good, too. Gee, the PGP products might even have been derived from some of those free projects.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

WTF? Are you on crack? Gnome was created because of licensing problems with KDE, dipsmack. (This was back when Qt was not "truly free" or whatever. RMS, go to heck and take your stodgy bunch of yes-men with you.)

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

PGP is being held hostage more or less by NA... if Phil works on GnuPG he would be held hostage by the gpl... which is what make the entire idea of the gpl bad... in my mind.

Free open source encrypton, good... however the GPL requires all derived code to be gpl base bad... phil or anyone couldn't use any part of GnuPG as springboard to a commercial product... wasn't it just a few days ago someone posted here on slashdot about their company refusing to use OpenSSH since it is open source?

If you want to make something standard and you hope used by all GPL is a bad way to go my friend... you had cuff to many people down the road... even if they rework everything you did, made it better and put that back into the project they can not benfit for the fuits of their labor.

You might think your protecting yourself from others stealing your code... but you just could be prevention others down the road to use their code how they want.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[PatientZero]

"wasn't it just a few days ago someone posted here on slashdot about their company refusing to use OpenSSH since it is open source?"

No, the company refused to use any non-commercial product. Basically, they wanted someone to sue if something went wrong. Open source wasn't the issue.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Slashamatic]

Bruce,

You don't need prz for the GUI. The only 'secret' when preparing a crypto-GUI is to make sure that anything containing key or secret material is cleaned after use. That is, you *never* deallocate memory or free up disk space without zeroing, and in the case of disk space, overwriting with patterns first. The crypto engine is the hard part.

Whilst Phil is a good cryptographer, GUIs making the whole thing understandable are another matter. I think the other guys are doing quite well there.

GnuPG misses some things like secret sharing (should be there soon) and there is no API for philosphical reasons, however that can be dealt with. The OS crypto community is currently surviving well and will continue to do so as long as various governments/interests don't succeed in tainting the whole idea by the association with terrorism and copyright violation. On these last points we need everyone we can get to keep cryptography free and there Phil can definitely help with the advocacy.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Slashamatic]

The answer is LGPL.

I wrote a bit of pgp back in version 2 days and it was a BSD license. I *know* my code ended up in some commercial products but I wasn't compensated. Later when the s/w was sold to (via another compy whose name I have forgotten) NA, I was approached a couple of time about another port, but never through the official NA commercial channels. As the use was commercial and the rights were a nightmare, I had to decline.

So Phil selling PGP effectively stuffed it for outside contributors. Phil has to eat, so I don't begrudge him that, but he could have sorted the licensing a lot better. Many of the rest of us tried to keep the older command line variants going but it proved more and more difficult and rights became very difficult.

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[gnugnugnu]

Anonymous Usability Nut Time (AUNT)

(speaking of losing control of your baby)
cool there seems to be GUIs for most platforms going, but are they consistant and easy to use?

Not invented Here, NIH and reinventing the wheel (or at least the fact the most projects waste time failing to invent a better wheel because they did not collaborate) seems like a curse of free software.
if free software developers can play friendly together and communicate it would be a lot better for all of us.

--
"This is not Troll"
Isn't that just what a troll would say

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Airline_Sickness_Bag]

The best example I know of this is Microsoft. Billions of dollars have been lost due to their buggy and insecure products. And how much money has been collected from them?

-asb

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, Phil, we just want your name, and perhaps your face to stick on our website? Pretty please...?

Re:Phil, Please Join Us!

[MAXOMENOS]

cool there seems to be GUIs for most platforms going, but are they consistant and easy to use?

NO, and that's a huge honking problem as far as I am concerned. We've got at least three different UI projects for GnuPG, none of them ready for prime time, each one working differently from the other.

I'm horribly tempted just to take the best of the bunch and port it to wxWindows. It would run more slowly, but it would work, damnit, on Win, Gnome/Gtk, KDE and Mac.

Opensourcing PGP

[NRAdude]

Yes, the GPL is a capitalist idea. The GPL preserves knowledge to be available and preserved unto future projects and products. PGP is outdated, yet still contains components that can be recycled into existing projects. I doubt it will happen though...this'll turn out to be like the Aqua-theme versus Apple's lawyers.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[jeffy124]

ok, then it just plain dont work well from a user's viewpoint (which was really my point). Or from Outlook, FWIW.

I like PGP

[dannyrap]

I actually paid for a license for PGP Desktop for home and still use it heavily for pgpdisk (the encrypted virtual disk software). I like the thought that even if someone hacks into my computers with my login, they still have some work to do to get the important files.

While it sucked to see NAI drop PGP, I made sure I pulled down the latest build before my license expired. I can still get another couple of years use out of it.

I would like to think that someone will eventually pick it up. It's entirely too useful to let it die. It be nice if it turned free, but I would still pay a reasonable amount of money to get a new enhanced version.

Re:I like PGP

[Anonymous Coward]

I would like to think that someone will eventually pick it up. It's entirely too useful to let it die. It be nice if it turned free, but I would still pay a reasonable amount of money to get a new enhanced version.

You don't get it! There is good reason to believe that NAI has put backdoors in for No Such Agency and/or others, and with only binaries available, it's impossible to be certain. Closed source encryption software is utterly useless, regardless of how much it costs.

Even if you aren't worried about the NSA reading your email (and you should be!), backdoored encryption is a fucking joke, because all it takes is for someone else to figure out the back door and exploit it. Even if nowhere else, at least use open source for your encryption needs.

PGP is dead. Long live GPG!

Re:I like PGP

[lightcycler]

Ok: real question, somewhat offtopic:

PGP-Disk alternative for linux, without having to recompile the kernel? Any ideas?

Re:I like PGP

[Glytch]

Loop-AES. Assuming you don't have the loopback filesystem module built right into the kernel, but have it as a module or not at all (look for loop.o), no kernel recompile or patching or even a specific kernel version is required. Patching losetup and mount, on the other hand, is required, but it's painless. And Reiser FS is a perfect companion to Loop-AES.

One handy little thing about Loop-AES I love is how the encrypted loopback filesystems can be burned straight onto a CD. The upshot of this is secure backups, like if you've got nosy roommates.

Re:I like PGP

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone mentioned the NSA here; what I find humorous is the fact that people *still* think there's backdoors in the S-Boxes of DES after 30 years. Surely larger government agencies would have no problem busting into CVS servers and backdooring the GnuPG code.

I'm curious to know how many people actually sit down and analyze their open source encryption code. Not too many I would guess. Everyone simply relies on the fact that "since it's open source, someone probably looked at the code".

However, how many developers actually know what 100% of their code does?

close

[martissimo]

but the article states that you can modify it and run the modified version on your machine, you just can't redistribute the modified code.

With the source code able to be modified, it might be easy for some people to think of PGP as Open Source. "You could modify it if you wanted to, and run it on your own computer, but you could not distribute a modified version," Zimmermann explains

Anyways, i dont think NA has any obligation to do as Zimm asks, he sold it to em, and it's now their's to do with as they please, even if that means that they let it just die basically. It's a shame but it is their right to do so.

Re:close

[benjamindees]

Is it acceptable to distribute a patch?

Re:close

[ReadParse]

You said:

but the article states that you can modify it and run the modified version on your machine, you just can't redistribute the modified code.

Nice selective clipboard. The article does not say that, it says:

"You could modify it if you wanted to, and run it on your own computer, but you could not distribute a modified version" (emphasis added).

The "could" here refers to past tense... before he sold it.

Re:close

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a shame but it is [NAI's] right to do so.
Bingo. Perhaps we need to make it worth NAI's while to free up PGP. If it's important that PGP not be killed off, maybe a boycott of other NAI products (including McAfee Antivirus and the Sniffer) would help drive the message home.

interesting?

[InsaneCreator]

he's an interesting little capitalist.

right now he seems to be a slashdoted little capitalist.

Re:interesting?

[Psiren]

Righty-dokey matey-bloke flap old salty sea-dog amigo skip-jack jockstrap piano-tuner, let's see you balls this one up!

righty dokey skip flip flap jack me old nick nack paddy wack slip de dip lipstick oh look mrs jones bomber harris tweed coat and hat it might be raining achtung baby psycho ward ten minutes please gentlemen its the lavatory express, I will!

Re:interesting?

[Anonymous Coward]

Heck the what?

The real reason this will never happen

[Monkelectric]

[you@someterminal you]# cd pgp-source
[you@someterminal you]# grep -c -r -i "nsa"
27

the GPL is a capitalist licence

[Anonymous Coward]

To me, capitalism boils down into a very simple principle, that is, do what is best for yourself, rather than trust a group of people to take care of you.
In the former, the vast majority of people do relatively well for themselves. In the latter, we get the mediocrity or tall-poppy-syndrome of socialism, or worse, the hopeless misery of the extreme socialism practiced by the soviet block and others.

In short capitalism does not restrict what you do, to preserve the interests of others; it is the role of the law to prevent others from stifling you, your advancement, OTOH, is your prerogative, not theirs.

Socialism however, places its trust (trust! in a political system! the fatal mistake - basing a political system on the will of the people? what optimistic naivete) in others supporting a system which supports you.
And? Useless, an abject and complete failure sans parallel nor exception.

So in short socialism == imposing restrictions (work not for the good of only yourself! etc) which the govt has no hope of _making_sure_ that the people follow (and as we see, self-interest leads people to violate that basic rule of socialism, which is why socialism is such a failure)

Proprietary licences == imposing restrictions (`do not copy') which the licencing authority has no hope of _making_sure_ the people follow (observe widespread software piracy, the BSA, for example)

Capitalism == NOT imposing obnoxious restrictions

OSS licences* == NOT imposing obnoxious restrictions

So, the similarities shoule be evident. OSS licences == Capitalist.

The main point behind "OSS == communist/socialist/unamerican" etc is that it is (apparently) un-capitalist to not sell software -- the economy will collapse because software vendors will go broke, so no taxes from companies(**). This is pathetically superficial. The point falls down when you realise that funds (of businesses, people) _will_ be spent. If people use non-proprietary software, the money they save will STILL go back into the economy (they'll buy beer, or whatever). The funds will get into the economy, just not through software.

Simply, this point is a lame attempt by businesses to protect their revenue stream from a paradigm shift which will _remove_ said revenue stream. My advice to them? Get into brewing.

OSS is very capitalist, once you get past the lame superficiality of "oss == non-capitalist because it raises no money" and delve into something less shallow.

final note: non-OSS does not necessarily suck; e.g. os x rox your sox.

* (well, the major ones -- i haven't delved into the less common ones, so i'll speak in terms of the major ones, that is, the GPL family, BSD and MIT licences, although the latter two are basically the same since the removal of the ad clause ~three years back)

** microsoft pays no corporate taxes: http://www.billparish.com/

Re:the GPL is a capitalist licence

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah yeah, offtopic :)

It's not really a battle of Captialism VS Socialism. It's more of a Free Market vs Protectionism.

IP laws are essentially Protectionism. They are legal barriers to competition meant to protect prior investment and nacent industries. The rhetoric used to describe IP is extremely similar to that used to describe agricultural protectionism, for example. We see that small companies (inventors) need to be protected from the big companies to maintain a diverse economy. This is why there are government loans available to family farmers. We also hear that food is essential to the well-being of a country, as any country that is dependent upon others for food would be vulnerable to food cutoffs. The IP people give us the same arguements related to economic health (US as largest IP creator in world), and to a lesser extent propaganda (Hollywood as conroller of world entertainment Media).

The GPL and other Open Source licenses reduce these economic and legal barriers to competition. Noone needs to buy several hundred dollars worth of development software to get started. You don't have to hire a lawyer to tell you if you can integrate the code, you just download it and do so. Thus more people can be competitive actors under a free software model.

The basic problems with Open Source and Free Software are the same as with capitalism. When you reduce those barriers to competition, suddenly the environment becomes much more competitive. Prices (and profits) fall, and the economy shifts to where the goods can be created most cheaply. This is a good thing for all of the buyers/consumers, but it is a very bad thing for all of the current producers. When Microsoft claims that Free Software is bad for the economy, they mean THEIR ECONOMY. The billions that people pay to Microsoft every year for software would not just evaporate if the cost of software dropped by 1/10. In a freer market, Microsoft and other current computer companies would loose money, but everyone else in the world would gain the same amount (or more, if the production process were more efficient.)

Michael

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[cygnusx]

> Or from Outlook, FWIW

Ah, actually there a plugin for Outlook _Express_ available now. GPGOE. Outlook will take some time -- and hacking on the office dev kit -- I guess. But yes, I get what you mean about "dont work well", but I can tell you it's getting better fast! And if you can, do give WinPT a try. You may be surprised.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[1010011010]

It does work in OutLook. I'm using it right now.

Go get it here:
http://www3.gdata.de/gpg/

Open source is a must for encryption programs.

[Anonymous Coward]

No sufficiently paranoid person is going to feel comfortable using encryption unless he/she can actually see the source and build the binary him/herself. The NSA backdoored NAs PGP years ago... Don't use it if you've got something to hide :) YOur better off using your Captain Crunch secret decoder ring!

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[GGardner]

BSD unix was a non-cleanroom reimplimentation of AT&T unix. BSD won when it went to court.

But only an organization like BSD, backed by the University of California and their lawyers, had the resources to stand up to AT&T in court. I wouldn't suggest being cavalier about clean-room issues to any random Open Source project.

Access denied

[Netw0rkAssh0liates]

Dear PHIL ZIMMERMAN.

In response to your recent request, we must notify you that you lack sufficient group privileges to access PGP-7.0-final_src.tar.bz2. In retrospect, this message will self-destruct in 5 seconds. If you would like to re-negotiate your contract with Network Associates Inc., you may do so at your discretion by contacting Bob Lovingston and submit you ple*$!##$@! k-a-b-o-o-m.BOOM.BOOM &$%#@

Sincerely,
Bob Thirston (Stability Supervisor)

And Some FREE BEER too, please.....

[Anonymous Coward]

FREE BEER NOT PGP!

PGP owns...

[ImaLamer]

That being said I tend to think that the push towards GnuPG isn't as great of an idea as some think.

While there is many "free" or open source projects out there that are great on multiple platforms, GnuPG hasn't yet been fully (if at all) accepted by the Windows users.

Before you flame me; encryption needs to be open, and it needs to be easy to use in some respects. If my grandma (or male lover) has to go to the command line to encrypt his/her e-mail - it isn't happening. Now I see one project to bring it to the Windows desktop but it's being developed by linux developers.

If people expect Phil to come over to the GnuPG camp then you have to be ready to develop as much time to the Windows product as *nix.

Maybe I'm just not making sense because I'm typing fast... but simply: Gui, Gui, Gui. Equal time on all systems. Then I'll put my support behind GnuPG.

Otherwise Network Ass. should release their control over a product they raped.

Re:PGP owns...

[ImaLamer]

Maybe I should say this:

Pub. Key Encryption should belong to the common man and it shouldn't take any _real_ computer knowledge to be private.

GnuPG lacks this... maybe Phil should just get it back and do it on his own again.

Paypal donations...? ...lol

Re:PGP owns...

[lightcycler]

"If people expect Phil to come over to the GnuPG camp then you have to be ready to develop as much time to the Windows product as *nix."

Why bother with platform-specifics at all? Use GTK+ for the frontend, it'll run fine on windows _and_ linux, especially with the rise of the linux desktop so everyone has/uses gnome now...

Re:PGP owns...

[_Sprocket_]

Now I see one project to bring it to the Windows desktop but it's being developed by linux developers.

I've found a whole series of GnuPG interfaces and email plugins for windows (WinPT being my favorite sofar). I don't know if the developers are "Linux developers" or not - but I fail to see how that matters.

If people expect Phil to come over to the GnuPG camp then you have to be ready to develop as much time to the Windows product as *nix.

Nobody is stopping any developers from running with GnuPG development on their favorite platform. In fact, as already pointed out, Windows development is definately picking up (probably due to NAI's dropping PGP - way to create an itch / need). And the GnuPG developers are definately thinking ahead with libraries such as their GPGME API. No more shell front-ends like the old PGP GUI days. GPGME provides direct hooks in to GnuPG (WinPT uses it).

In short, the door is wide open.

Re:PGP owns...

[ImaLamer]

This is what I wanted to hear... actually I feel better now.

The problem is that _right now_ it's just kinda weak.

GPL/OSI developers _usually_ put their win32 work on hold that is what scares/bothers me.

I hope though that GnuPG becomes the de facto standard, because free as in speech is a Good Thing.

Re:PGP owns...

[_Sprocket_]

The problem is that _right now_ it's just kinda weak.

I agree that the GnuPG GUI/Windows clients do not yet meet the level already found in later versions of PGP. But once again - I would point out that until NAI started to esentially kill PGP as a product line, there was little incentive to drive that development. Now, in a relatively short period of time, we are seeing some real progress.

GPL/OSI developers _usually_ put their win32 work on hold that is what scares/bothers me.

I would suggest its less a matter of puting win32 work on hold and more a matter of a lack of win32 developers. Open Source development seems to be far more common within Unix and (not suprisingly) Linux environments. I suspect its a cultural issue; the whole Open Source concept seems very foreign in a Windows world. That's not to say there aren't some really nice OS projects for Windows (or excellent work to extend OS projects to Windows).

But there is now more of a demand for GnuPG solutions for Windows. And OS development has been showing up more and more often in Windows environments. So the future is good, I think.

Re:PGP owns...

[ImaLamer]

I really hope you're right.

I would like to maybe see a sourceforge section entirely devoted to win32 Open Source projects.

Like I said, the problem I see with GnuPG is only that the Windows clients will be always a step behind and that won't help.

Yes, we need more developers, but I'm not the person to talk to. I've got a better chance of getting "Hello World" out of C++ than Holyfield has getting his ear out of Tyson's mouth.

I think you've changed my outlook on the situation, and now I DO with that Phil goes with the team. Maybe he can bring the Win32 developers with him.

[[the situation of win32 GPL development as I can see it is that most people who will develop on the platform realize they can charge any amount for any application. When I first tried Linux years ago I realized that you don't have to pay for simple tools that should be free(like i ever did!). Have a problem in Windows, the software to fix it will cost a pretty penny. Quality over Cash...ah, the beauty of linux]]

Re:PGP owns...

[_Sprocket_]

I would like to maybe see a sourceforge section entirely devoted to win32 Open Source projects.

I understand what you're getting at. But I don't think the distinction is needed. You can already find projects on Sourceforge that have a very heavy Windows focus to them (Quakeforge, for example). Windows projects can live on Sourceforge just as easy as Linux projects... or PalmOS projects... or cross-platform projects (like OpenRPG).

[[the situation of win32 GPL development as I can see it is that most people who will develop on the platform realize they can charge any amount for any application.

My own theory (completely unsubstantiated, you understand) is that of currency. Linux works on a gift culture - if you work with, use, or develop for Linux (and other OS-centric environments) you've already taken advantage of OS software. So developing more OS projects is simply enriching the environment and returning the favor.

In a Windows environment, you've paid hard cash for your OS, cash for your development tools, small amounts of cash for the various little shareware apps that make life nice... and can expect to spend MORE cash in the future if you ever wish to upgrade and/or expand your current holdings. Its no suprise developers wish to replenish that pool of available cash.

And that's the difference in currency - code vs cash; a gift culture vs a monetary system.

That's not to say one can't mix cash and gift cultures. But it would go towards explaining the vastly different software landscapes between Windows and (for example) Linux.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[(startx)]

I'd beg to differ. read the (currently highest moderated) post by Bruce Perens begging Phil to Join the GPG team

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[packeteer]

they ont HAVE to claim their code is clean room... as long as no code is copy-pasted over then its ok... if there is some type of bug or other problem in the code and he knows HOW to fix it but not the exact code he CAN tell them how to do that... he can give them ideas about what to do as ong as he doesn't drop in some code...

GPGDisk?

[sysrequest]

The only piece I really use is the PGPdisk feature. Creating a totally encrypted virtual harddrive is very cool.

I create 649 / 699 MB PGPdisks, fill them with my 'backups', "unmount" them, and then burn them onto CD. Voila, encrypted CD contents. Works beautifully.

It would be the coolest thing in the world if GPG was able to mount the same PGPdisks. Heck, even using other filesystems should be possible.

It's great for keeping data private (as long as the encryption will hold, a couple of years longer maybe).

Once GPG can at least mount and hopefully also create "GPGdisks", I'll ditch PGP.

Re:GPGDisk?

[Anonymous Coward]

Get yerself a Mac and use Disk Copy. You can make disk images suitable for CD burning that are encrypted with 128 bit AES (Rijndael).
Yet another reason why Macs kick butt. :)

Re:GPGDisk?

[Meefan]

Use Scramdisk. It's free, and works on Win9x. (Or better yet, use Linux and any of the numerous encrypted file solutions there.) -Meefan

KDE Free Qt Foundation

[_|()|\|]

a Dead Man's Switch license would be very interesting to see implemented

You mean something like the KDE Free Qt Foundation? Qt is triple licensed: GPL, QPL, proprietary. If TrollTech discontinues the free edition of Qt, then the last available version will be released under the BSD license. (I'm not sure whether that's with the advertising clause.)

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[flonker]

He could probably join the project as an advisor, as long as he didn't write any code, and not break the "clean-roomliness" of the code.

What would you expect from CA?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ask any (ex) Informix employee about how well the hostile takeover and fire everyone "software company" strategy works. Computer Associates: milking support contracts for all their worth for years now.

Slashdotted - google cache

[geeky-troll]

Should be Here in the cache

One reason for PGP over GPL

[DrXym]

Assuming PGP was open sourced and was covered by a sensible licence, it could easily steal a march over GPG.

The principle issue that faces any developer wishing to integrate GPG is that it is covered by GPL. That means that even if it had an SDK (which the isn't) you couldn't link with it without infecting your own code. Even LGPL libs can't link with it. At present if you wish to use GPG, you must mess around constructing command line arguments, opening pipes etc., invoking it and then parse the results. It is a major pain. There are libraries such as GPGME that hide some of this from you but it is still slower than running in-process and has significant issues running on platforms like Windows or Mac where piping etc. might be done differently.

If PGP were opened up with either a LGPL or BSD style licence I can see it being used in preference to GPG. GPG has the better command-line interface and might be ok for scripts but PGP has an SDK (as well as a great UI on Win32) and would be ultimately faster if software can link directly to it.

Re:One reason for PGP over GPL

[Nicopa]

In fact, this is a good thing. Accessing to the gpg process through pipes gives you the greatest security. If you link GPG with your favorite GUI program, any hole or fault in GTK+ or your program could compromise your keys.

Other programs do the same (have a separate security dedicated process). Check ssh and its privilege separation, and postfix and its multitude of little processes.

Re:One reason for PGP over GPL

[DrXym]

I don't see it makes much difference. You still have to feed the password and data to GPG and it has to return it. Seperating GPG doesn't prevent a GTK app from leaving a copy of the password in memory for example.

Phil should work on Mozilla

[PingXao]

PZ should get involved with Mozilla. For literally years I've been waiting for someone to build in some sort of public-key email (and newsgroup) crypto. It's still not there yet, and THAT has prevented several people I know - including myself - from adopting Mozilla as my sole internet access tool. I'd love to be able to dump some of the crap I run for email and usenet.

First it was the export restrictions that were deterring Mozilla crypto. Now it's something else. I guess these projects qualify for some of what's being done today, but I needed Mozilla to do built-in crypto years ago. The standard Mozilla comeback is "do it yourself". Well, I have neither the time nor the skill to do that. But Phil does!

Re:Phil should work on Mozilla

[Chandon Seldon]

http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ should be a good start...

NSA

[zootread]

Maybe the NSA will buy it and then open source it, then include it with their SE Linux.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Anonymous Coward]

Using outlook to send secure email? Wouldn't those two cancel eachother out?

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course in 2005 (when the copyright is up), PGP will be in the public domain and we can all use it.

Mainstream email encryption

[jessohyes]

I don't believe email encryption will become mainstream unless these things happen.

1) Major email client providers agree on a standard
2) The ability to encyrpt/decrypt is provided with the default install of their product.

Re:Mainstream email encryption

[mlk]

3) Keys are easy to create, authenticate and well use (for NORMAL people)

nobody gets it.

[Anonymous Coward]

Network Associates is sitting on the code to squash it. They don't want to sell it. They don't want to make money off it. They want to keep it unavailable. Texaco owned the patent for fuel injection systems in cars. Until that patent expired (patents used to expire), no cars had fuel injection. If you don't remember, they might want to look back at the date on the press release that Network Associates (a.k.a. McAffee) released, stating that they planned to discontinue PGP. It's pretty close to September 12, 2001.

Re:nobody gets it.

[dbrower]

"Texaco owned the patent for fuel injection systems in cars. Until that patent expired (patents used to expire), no cars had fuel injection."

And as soon as that patent expired, the black helicopters flew off with the formula that turned water into gasoline.

This is a specious claim by Mr. AC. Diesel engines have been fuel injection since their creation; Mechanical fuel injection was used in cars in the 30s, but was generally too complicated for mass production-- but see the 1957 Corvette for an example. It was used in aircraft, see the DB601 that powered the Bf109 from the 30s through the end of the Reich. Alfa Romeo used MFI in the 60's just to make life especially hard for rare US Giulia owners for whom Weber carbs would be even more fiddly.

Electonic injection was invented in the UK in 1966, according to this; on the other hand, Ford says Bendix patented it in the early 60's (maybe the same?). Porsche started using FI in 1968.

EFI wasn't widely popular until there were cheap computers to do the thinking. This wave started in the 80's and was basically over by 1990. It had nothing to do with patents, and everything to do with regulations that made it effectively impossible to meet cold-start emission limits with carbs anymore. (The same thing that killed air-cooled VW engines in the 70s, and Porsche boxers more recently.)

-dB

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[jarnot]

I'd say that the fact that no one seems to know conclusively where you can run GnuPG is a sign that it's not ready for prime time!

Over the wall

[fm6]

Used to work for a big company that started Open Sourcing some of their products. Set up a special comittee to supervise the process. Which started getting all kinds of OS requests, many from ex-employees who wanted to regain access to the source code for their pet projects.

The generic response was "Open Source does not mean taking a product we don't want any more and throwing it over the wall. It means taking a product we continue to maintain and donating rights to it to the open source community. We can't just give away software without assessing the legal and PI risks. That's an expensive process, and we just won't do it unless it helps us start an OS project with some real potential."

I might be misquoting (that's why I don't name the company), but you can see the issues.

NA PGP client only for win32?

[motorsabbath]

Out of curiosity, I went to NAs site looking for a client. They only make one for windows? I didn't see one for any other opsys's.

Guess we do need to save PGP.

JB

What I'd rather see...

[DJ Wipeout]

is a KAP (Kick Ass Privacy) or maybe TFSP (Totally Frickin' Sweet Privacy).....

1: Why listen to him?

[TripleRippleTroll]

Because he knows what he's talking about. That's a lot of authority.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course in 2005 (when the copyright is up),

HahahahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Zeinfeld]

If he really wants to do something, GnuPGP would probably welcome him with open arms...

Have you tried to work with Phil Z.? Oh... thought not.

People who end up in the mess Phil did are not always the folk with the best social interfaces...

The problem with PGP is that overall it is tending to hinder the use of crypto than help at this point. There is perfectly good crypto built into Outlook, Outlook Express, Notes, Netscape etc. Only thing is people don't know its there because they are being told that only crypto persecuted by the NSA should be used.

PGP has a somewhat different PKI design, but not all that much different. Anyone can be a CA with X.509, the only technical difference being that certificate signing certs have the key signing bit set.

Rather than attempt to resurect the PGP message formats it would be better to spend time building S/MIME key signing code.

Give me a break

[Anonymous Coward]

I see this kind of comment on /. all the time, and it demonstrates perfectly the narrow-minded, myopic approach to the world that's so typical on this site.

Sure, someone pays a lot of money to develop or acquire software, so when they no longer want to market it as an end-user product they should just give it away, with no consideration for all the legal and financial entanglements? Please. I'll take such claims seriously when the /. crowd does something similar. (And no, developing OSS projects from scratch is not even close to being the same thing.)

Re:Give me a break

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashot crowd do something similar? How do you expect a disparate group without any common product or organisation to release a non-existant closed source product as open source?

I'll take you seriously when pigs genetically engineer themselves to fly.

So why didn't he free the source to it himself?

[discogravy]

Zimmerman has a lot of balls asking someone to do what he wouldn't when he had the chance. It's a shame, but it's shameless the way he's going about this.

For a good read w/r/t Crypto in general (including Zimmerman and some of his past,) check out Stephen Levy's book Crypto. It is excellent.

Enigmail

[Anonymous Coward]

Try out Enigmail [http://enigmail.mozdev.org/].

Enigmail is a "plugin" for Mozilla/Netscape7 Mail which allows users to access the authentication and encryption features provided by the popular GPG and PGP software (see screenshots). Enigmail is open source and dually-licensed under the GNU General Public License and the Mozilla Public License .

Windows users: try GPGshell with Nullify GnuPG

[Jim Efaw]

I was using WinPT for a while, until I stumbled on GPGshell. It calls GnuPG to do the work, so you never have to worry about entering your passphrase into a GUI. IMHO, it's a lot nicer than WinPT. When you install it, you get 3 programs, which don't need each other to work:

• GPGkeys, a program to do manage all the keys.
• GPGtray, which has a lot of the options on the system tray, and magically knows the "right" thing to do with the clipboard if you double-click it. Highlighting a PGP key in a terminal window then double-clicking on an icon makes importing keys really slick.
• GPGtools, which lets you drag-and-drop files onto it.

So anyway, here's what you do:

1. Get GnuPG (1.0.7 or later) from Nullify. It comes with an installer, plus contains those sinful patented algorithms (like IDEA) that PGP was fond of using in various versions.
2. Get GPGshell, install, and tell it where you put GnuPG.

So far this setup has had no problem dealing with any PGP messages I've encountered, from 2.6.2 to 7.x, but I haven't tested it extensively.

Mozilla and Enigmail

[flashk]

This won't solve the Outlook problem, but in Windows you could use Mozilla Mail and the Enigmail plugin for Mozilla.

Right now GUI wise, it's the easiest and nicest way to use gnupg for emails in Windows.

How Much is that Doggy in the Window?

[Anonymous Coward]

Does anyone know how much NAI wants for PGP? Yes, we all know that it's more than Phil Zimmerman can afford, but how much is that? Maybe some other individual or organization -- by himself/herself/themselves, or together with Zimmerman -- could buy it and Open Source it...

Who is kidding who?

[Woodrow Stool]

I always find this kind of subject amazing. Examine the realities of the situation:

(1) If the author has given the source away in the past, there is little commercial gain to be had by someone selling a compiled binary. Ergo, Network Associates can't make a go of it.

(2) If a commercial company (with money in the bank) owns the IP to a piece of software there is no (repeat, NO) incentive to release the source or the binary for free. Why you ask? Because some slimebag somewhere will sue their ass if they think (1) they've been wronged, and (2) the IP owner has money in the bank. This is less of a risk of you are selling the IP, too much risk if you are giving it away.

C'mon guys, and Phil, wise up.

Could the community buy it?

[CNeb96]

Could the Open source community buy it? I know I'd donate. If every one who thinks its important keep donates something, would it be enough? We could put it under a decent license (BSD, MIT, GPL, etc) and donate it to GNU, MIT, or the EFF.

Are there any sites out there which take donations to buy closed source products and open source them?

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Gleef]

Zeinfeld writes:

PGP has a somewhat different PKI design, but not all that much different. Anyone can be a CA with X.509, the only technical difference being that certificate signing certs have the key signing bit set.

Sure, anyone can be an X.509 CA, but that doesn't help much. In order to issue meaningful X.509 certificates, you need to be a widely trusted CA, and that means commercial certificate distribution deals with Verisign, AOL and Microsoft, and that pretty much rules out all but big businesses.

PGP's web of trust has a much lower barrier of entry.

Nope.

[Anonymous Coward]

The plug-in is THAT good.

What Outlook problem?

[Anonymous Coward]

Although I use enigmail at home, I use the gdata Outlook plug-in at work. It is much easier & smoother that enigmail.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[stealthyburrito]

This is one of the problems of GnuPG vs. Commercial PGP.

With GnuPG, you expect "normal" end-users go download GnuPG that has been ported to Win32 from somewhere... then go download a GUI from somewhere else, then go download an email plug-in from yet ANOTHER place.

Just getting people to understand the basics of asymmetric encryption is difficult enough without making a career out of finding a usable installation.

Complain all you want about "stupid users", but in the end, a simplified installation package is what gets people to use it. Encryption for the masses, not encryption for the techno-elite.

-SB

Like PGPDesk? You might like BestCrypt

[Wee]

If you're a heavy PGPDisk user, then you might like BestCrypt. Does pretty much the same things, except it has both Linux and Win32 "clients". So you can tote encrypted loopback files around, just like with PGPDisk, except you can tote them between a good and a marginal-at-best OS. Works with Win2K and XP, too. And it has some pretty good crpyto algorithm support (even GOST). On the Linux side of things, you can even do funny stuff like have encrypted home directories, encrypted samba shares, etc. The Linux GUI leaves a little to be desired, but the Windows one is pretty good. It's free-as-in-beer for personal use.

Anyway, I highly recommend it.

-B

GnuPGP Win Has Problems.....

[Slashamatic]

Actually it (GnuPG and WinPT) don't work at all well in a 2K/XP professional environment with non-privileged users. I have started work on it, but can't even get the toolchain to function properly for rebuilds under Win (it uses a non-cygwin compatible version of MINGW32).

In MS business environments you don't tend to Admin rights on the box where you are working. I don't even have at home on my Windows box.

No he didn't...

[Slashamatic]

No he didn't. Phil developed the first version of PGP and guided it's development afterwards. A lot of the formats (key rings, etc) were developed by others. Phil continued to guide development though. He released it on the Internet after a row with RSA (the Feds only came in later) over the use of their patented algorithms.

I know, I worked on it for a while back in the early days.

Why doesn't he ask for donations?

[LuYu]

It seems that under circumstances like these, the online community often coughs up quite a bit of cash. Why not ask for donations?

If the online community gave him this money, he would be obligated to act in good faith and open source the entire thing (including the commandline wrapper if Network Associates is truly selling PGP).

Sorry, I'm not actually living in the real world. My imagination tends to get the better of me...

"Normal" end-users ...

[vrai]

... don't use encrypt, period. They find it confusing, obscure, and not worth the effort as most 'normal' users don't email anything of any value. Even commercial implementations (like the excellent PGPTray) are far too complex for your average AOL monkey.

For encrypt to really take off amongst technical lay-people someone like AOL will have to seamlessly integrate it into their mailer: complete with automagic key-fetching and hiding all that nasty ASCII armoured 'garbage' (like KMail does). Unless the PGP or GNUPG creators can solve this problem then neither of them are any use to the average email user.

Re:"Normal" end-users ...

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem isn't the encryption programs. Look how seamlessly PGP/GPG integrate with either Sylpheed or KMail. The problem is Microsoft isn't going to write an interface to some *free* encryption scheme and include it in Outlook as a default available option. Neither is AOL for that matter. The real problem is that you still need a centralized and secure keyserver that can withstand the additional traffic. Now I don't know about you, but I wouldn't use a keyserver provided by either Microsoft or AOL.... and finally, even a keyserver doesn't do anything useful. You still have to build a real web of trust with the keys at some point. The whole process is not simple, that's why no one does it.

/. offending people

[Anonymous Coward]

"I'll say this, he's an interesting little capitalist."

Very unprofessional journalism.

Errrrm... x.509 certificates! See this link.

[SomethingOrOther]

x.509 certificates are supported as standard in shitloads of mail clients (inc. Netscape and the ever popular MS Outhouse). Many people regard those as an "industry standard"

However, x.509 is more suited to compannies, as each public key must be signed by a trusted certificate authority to be valid. (e.g. Signed by Thwate.... otherwise use openSSL and set yourself up as a certificate authority and generate your own x.509 certs). This is only really practacle for a large company.

Individuals are better suited to PGP because of its "web of trust" model eliminates the need for certificate authoritys, but will be impractacle for a large organisation. (Its no wonder NA failed to sell PGP to companies.... the existing x.509 standard is mutch more suited)

See this link

All Platforms Available! See pgpi.org

[SomethingOrOther]

You need one of the international versions of PGP available from www.pgpi.org you do

Available on a shitload of platforms
And pgpi is a very trusted site

(I could also mention the Cyber Knights Templar builds. Also very trusted + open source)

Opposite of Snort

[Eythian]

An interesting comment in the Newsforge article:

This would allow Network Associates to continue to sell and make money from the command-line version, more popular with corporate techies. "End-users don't pay money," Zimmermann says. "It's the businesses with their techies who pay money and they like to have a command-line product to run in a shell script, so that a big Web site, for example, can encrypt your credit card number. Their command-line product is for one of those raised-floor machine rooms with a bunch of servers and nobody around."

Compare this to the reference in the snort article, where the core code is free, because its the techies who use that, and the GUI addons that cost.

I'm not really going anywhere with this, but it is a little surprising to see two completely diametric viewpoints on the same idea.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[IXI]

Well, the GNU Project is not "any random Open Source project" either. Though the FSF might prefer the current situation, without PZ involved in GnuPG.

But I doubt that PZ would be interested in working on GnuPG anyway. Seems he's more interested in his project surviving.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[wossName]

GnuPG is partly backed by the german government:

gnupg.de
gnupp.de

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Conare]

Not really. If your only concern is encrypting/signing mail (and other stuff) within your organization, than the CA only needs to be trusted within your organization. Trust in the CA can be enforced as a condition of employment. This makes PKI practical for many mid size businesses as well, although small businesses should look elsewhere due to the large inital outlay required. If you wish to explicitly trust the PKI of another business than your CA's can issue each other Cross-Certificates.

Also, only one of the three businesses you mention is in the business of selling commercial certificates (Verisign). MS sells PKI products that allow you to generate your own self-signed certificates. MS has a PKI offering coming in .NET but my industry sources tell me that it is about 3 generations behind Entrust and 2 behind Verisign as far as capabilities, security, and (surprise) interoperability. This doesn't surprise me given the MS record with PKI and security in general. I'd better stop there or I won't get any work done today.

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Zeinfeld]

Sure, anyone can be an X.509 CA, but that doesn't help much. In order to issue meaningful X.509 certificates, you need to be a widely trusted CA,

That has nothing to do with the format of the certificate. It is simply basic math.

All the major email programs allow you to install your own trust roots, always have. The problem is getting a trust root widely recognized.

The diameter of a graph is the length of the longest path between two nodes. If the diameter of the graph is small then either the graph cannot be large or there must be at least soe nodes of very high degree. [The Moore bound on the diameter of a graph is k * (k-1)^d where k is the degree of the nodes and d the diameter.

Applied to PGP it means that if you have a Web of trust with a trust chain length of 5 and each person signs ten other keys you can have no more than 90,000 members if the members align themselves perfectly. In practice the size of the graph would be much smaller since the connections would be either random or highly locally connected which gets you down to about 10,000 users.

PGP works largely because people take untrusted keys of key servers and because there are folk like Jeff Schiller who have signed hundreds of keys.

If you want a global PKI then you need intermediaries. PGP is not designed to scale to be a global system. But if you are prepared to put up with the size limitations of the PGP model you can do the same in S/MIME.

Microsoft even ship a mini CA tool with Office and Visual studio - makecert.exe. It is a bit idiosyncratic and you need to get another tool fro the Microsoft site to convert the private key formats to PKCS12 format but it certainly works. The SSLeay code also has a cert signer.

Consistant user interface

[gnugnugnu]

I really love that expression "like trying to herd cats".

I would be right there ready to test binaries if you do something like this, but the idea of going off and starting yet another project worries me. You never know, diplomacy might actually work (especially if Phil Zimmerman was the diplomat).
You might try doing a cross platform but different native toolkit kinda thing like Abiword does.
The Mozilla plugin has potential, interesting.

My GUI design philosophy is if in doubt copy what everyone else is doing (in this case copy the official PGP). Do it differently only if you can demonstrate why your way is better (and even then it has to be substantial better to overcome the problem of inconsistancy+learnability).

Trying desperately to stay on topic and protect my meagre Karma ...

Re:Free PGP? How about GnuPGP

[Gleef]

Conare writes:

Not really. If your only concern is encrypting/signing mail (and other stuff) within your organization, than the CA only needs to be trusted within your organization. Trust in the CA can be enforced as a condition of employment. This makes PKI practical for many mid size businesses as well, although small businesses should look elsewhere due to the large inital outlay required.

X.509 is a clumsy tool for internal encryption. Most programs using it are using it for communications, not storage. A good chunk of any businesses need for secure communications is with other businesses. You can't make your parts supplier trust your internal CA as a condition of employment, and you usually can't even require it as a term of your contract with them.

If you wish to explicitly trust the PKI of another business than your CA's can issue each other Cross-Certificates.

Again using my parts supplier example, that would basically be me going to my parts supplier, and asking them to trust that every certificate we issue is valid. That's a lot of trust. Most people are prone to say "no", particularly if they don't understand the full ramifications of that trust.

With the PGP/GPG "Web Of Trust" model, all I would have to ask them is to trust that my key is validly my key. Much easier to do, the guy at my parts supplier can do this over the phone in many cases. Then he can sign my key and put it on their keyserver. Anyone at my parts supplier who accepts his signature will automatically trust my key. They are only asked to trust themselves, and what they can readily verify; a much more palatable trust model.

only one of the three businesses you mention is in the business of selling commercial certificates (Verisign).

The other two are the leading distributors of X.509 capable products, and therefore the leading distributors of "Here are the trusted Certificate Authorties" lists. To get on those lists takes money.

Legitimise the CKT builds?

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The CKT builds http://www.ipgpp.com/ (get 6.5.8ckt08, *not* the beta version unless you actually want to help test) of PGP have been around for a while.

They haven't always been popular with prz, because they permit the use of monstrous public key sizes (which meant little without a monstrous symmetric algo and big hash algorithm to back them up), and monstrous public keys are slow and of insignificant practical use without the accompanying Faraday cage, dedicated terminal and tinfoil hat.

They are, however, the "best" version of PGP out there and the only one that's still being worked on.

GnuPG is another implementation of OpenPGP (RFC2440), of course, as many other people have mentioned - but that isn't terribly suitable for Windows, not having a GUI of it's own (for philosophical reasons - it is, after all, a command line utility) and lacking a good, stable GUI to the standards of PGP (they're new - give them time and support and they will get better). Also, GPG has no support for locking pages of memory which contain security-critical data against being swapped out under Windows (and currently relies on being suid root under Linux for this too, before you all cry victory - don't start beaming until it starts using capabilities - suid applications make me nervous).

The CKT builds of PGP 6.5.8 work under XP, and there are no (as far as I am aware) reported problems with the Outlook and Bat plugins. They just suck a bit less than the vanilla builds. I know of no vulnerabilities in the current CKT build (don't use the beta in production environments though, it's broken on a few things).

Their copyright is probably a bit dodgy. I'm only saying probably because I'm not a lawyer; it's moot - trying to shut them down would be a Bad Idea (because of the million mirrors theorem) and a Bad Thing (because Encryption Is Good(tm) and what else is there of the same quality now?). It would be lovely if that could be resolved - if the CKT builds could be legitimised, and more people worked on them.

I can't speak for the third-party licensing situation though. It could be too complex to resolve - as I said above, I'm no lawyer.

As for the command line version being saleable, NAI are in a fantasy world. The PGP command line pales next to GnuPG for so many reasons I don't even have to list them (besides, it'd start an argument if I did).

The loss of the PGP command line would be frankly non-critical. The OpenPGP crypto core could be replaced or rewritten, probably more easily than you think, especially as there are independent, clean implementations to crib notes from (i.e., GPG). The GUI and SDK (and the plugins) are the important bits. It'd be a shame if they were lost... not to mention all the ancillary bits like PGPnet (did that ever get stable?... OTOH, there's SSH port forwarding so I can do without it), PGPdisk (not a panacea, but useful - I just plain don't like Scramdisk, but that's a viable option too) and so on.

By getting the SDK and GUI back you'd get all the really important stuff that PGP has over what, were it to be commercialised again, would be its competitors. You might have to rewrite the actual cryptography because of excess legal baggage, but given quite large revisions in the OpenPGP standard like MDC support, and for the sake of cleaner code, would that be such a bad thing?

Best of luck, Phil. Oh, and by the way - thanks. Probably too few people remember to say that.