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Mac-Case Clone for PCs

An anonymous reader writes "Ever wanted a Mac case for your pc? Well this is your lucky day. Well sort of... you can read a preview of this yet-to-be-released case at hardware-unlimited.com." Smart design -- Now, if only this came in black ...

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  1. Nice! by Spazzz · · Score: 2, Troll

    Wonder how long it'll be before Apple sues them for "look and feel" infringement, though?

    1. Re:Nice! by Bedouin+X · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nobody because the damn thing looks NOTHING like a Mac case. It doesn't have the 4 handles like a Mac case, the drive covers aren't nearly as seamless, it doesn't open like a Mac case, the drives don't floor mount like a Mac case. It seems to have that slippery covering like a Mac case but I'm inclined to think that even that is a subpar knockoff.

      Pathetic... and I'm not even a big Mac fan, I'd hate to hear what they have to say.

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    2. Re:Nice! by GutBomb · · Score: 2

      mac cases are not just snazz. they are very functional as well (dumb handles aside)

    3. Re:Nice! by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pathetic... and I'm not even a big Mac fan

      You're a Burger King kind of guy, right?

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  2. Case color by tibbetts · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now, if only this came in black ...

    Now, if only this came in beige...

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  3. nice but by Ubi_UK · · Score: 2

    Yep looks great without anything in it
    however itt will look pretty crap with my beige floppy/zip/dvd/cdrw in it (although the top slot has a flip top by the looks of it)

    Will thety sell extra covers for these things?

    1. Re:nice but by FyRE666 · · Score: 2

      You can buy coloured drives you know, or you always have the option of modding a new drive yourself...

  4. Comments by kawaichan · · Score: 5, Informative
    OK, If you really want a MacCase lookalike, you might be better off getting an empty G3/G4 case on Ebay then mod the hell out of it

    G4 Case PC mod guide

    G4 Case Auction

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  5. mac case clone details by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'd wager 10 minutes before this gets slashdotted....basically, the case looks the same as a G4 mac case....from about 10 feet away and if you squint real hard. no handle on each side, just round bumps where there would be a handle. 3 5 1/2" bays, a 4th 5 1/2" bay with flip out cover for a CD drive. oh, and it doesn't unfold like a suitcase (like the mac cases do - one of the main reasons to want one).

    i can't say i'm altogether impressed with this one, but put some blue LEDs on it and you have a case-modder's dream :)

    as for making it black, 20 minutes with paint thinner should make those outside panels clear, like the G3/G4 cases, and you can paint it whatever you want. the front has a flip down bit, behind it is a firewire, usb, audio in/out ports, which could be useful.

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  6. Whaaa? by wazzzup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is no Mac case. Apple wouldn't be caught dead releaseing something this pedestrian.

    It's a beige box except it's not beige and it's covered in lucite. It is much nicer than standard issue cases coming out of PC manufacturers warehouses though.

    PC case, yes. Mac case,no.

    1. Re:Whaaa? by zapfie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Both the blue G3 and all the G4 cases have drivebays like PC towers, PCI expansion slots, etc. etc. This is something Apple fixed a loooooooong time ago. Nice troll attempt, though.

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    2. Re:Whaaa? by zapfie · · Score: 2

      Although I haven't looked inside, the G4 I work on has two 5.25" faceplates.. are you sure it's only one 5.25" bay? Also, you can have as many CD/DVD drives as you want (external Firewire), there's just a limit to the number of internal ones. I agree, though, I would like to see more bays.

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    3. Re:Whaaa? by Elbereth · · Score: 2

      What, it's impossible to own an Apple PowerMac and not worship Apple?

      I actually have TWO B&W G3 PowerMacs. You want the serial numbers?

  7. $150 for a case? by OneFix · · Score: 2

    Dunno about you, but I think your $150 could be better spent than on a Mac case look-a-like. Even retail stores have half-way decent cases for ~$30. Oh, I guess if you're the kind of person that'ld want to put a window in their harddrive or lights in their case, this might be right up your alley, but for the price difference, you could probably upgrade at least one of your major components (bigger harddrive, faster processor, better motherboard, faster graphics card, more memory, bigger monitor, etc).

    Wand then again, none of your hardware (drives, fans, monitor, etc) is going to match the case. Look at that case and imagine a bunch of white/beige components in there (makes it look ugly, doesn't it)...

    1. Re:$150 for a case? by adamwright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some cases really are worth that (and more). I paid £120 (around $180) for my new Lian Li, and don't regret a single penny of it. 4 Builtin fans (variable speed), entirely thumb screw based, pull out motherboard tray, and the chasis is 100% aluminium.

      $150 spent on a graphics card might get you top FPS for a few months. $150 on a decent case will last you the rest of your ATX sized upgrades, and save you a LOT of pain if you go inside your machine a fair bit.

    2. Re:$150 for a case? by Elbereth · · Score: 4, Informative

      I seriously doubt that your $30 case can match my $100 case. For starters, my case has an Antec True 480W power supply. It also has four case fans. Your $30 case probably has room for one, maybe two case fans. You might not think this is such a big deal, but I've got a dual Pentium Pro 200 that's still running, not to mention a P233 MMX. My computers don't die, no matter how hot the summers get.

      Oh yeah, and that 480W power supply drives a dual processor Tyan Tiger MPX motherboard. You don't necessarily need more than 350W for that board, but you can't add more juice to your power supply when it turns out you miscalculated your power requirements.

      Your $30 case probably wouldn't hold half the motherboards I've got (with one exception, they're all dual processor). These motherboards are necessarily large, occasionally coming in sizes that won't even fit in a quality mid-tower case! I know what you're going to say: nobody uses dual processor motherboards. I'd mostly agree with that, but consider power users who want integrated IDE RAID (blech), Firewire, and 8 zillion USB ports. All of that takes up space on a motherboard. Some of the nicer motherboards require you to have a big case. Some of them even take up as much space as my dual processor boards! Let's not even talk about dual Xeon boards...

      Last but not least... you get what you pay for. I know, nobody wants to believe that, but it's mostly true. If you put down $60 for a motherboard, $20 for your RAM, and $30 for your case, I pity the stability of your computer. Every one of those components are going to be flakey, unless you're lucky (sometimes you do luck out and get good quality items). Chances are, though, that stuff is cheap for a reason... it failed QA testing, someone in China is dumping sub-par equipment in the West, or it's refurbished/returned.

      Don't get me wrong, I use $2 mice and $39 motherboards sometimes. But I know what I'm getting myself into, and I never, ever recommend anything but top quality stuff (Asus, Antec, Toshiba, etc) to my friends. Also, I never build systems for my friends or clients with cheap-ass components.

      Holy shit, this post is long. I better get moderated up for all this typing.

    3. Re:$150 for a case? by OneFix · · Score: 2

      $150 spent on a graphics card might get you top FPS for a few months.

      True, but $150 spent on a better motherboard will go alot further than a few months.

      $150 on a decent case will last you the rest of your ATX sized upgrades, and save you a LOT of pain if you go inside your machine a fair bit.

      Agreed, but that is an argument for a highly functional case, not this one which seems less functional than even a standard case since you have to be careful not to crack the case...

      The thing is made out of plastic, not aluminium. It is not likely to hold up to constant upgrades as well as say an all aluminium case.

    4. Re:$150 for a case? by OneFix · · Score: 2

      For starters, my case has an Antec True 480W power supply.

      Ok, my $30 case has a 450W power supply...you've got 30W on mine there...

      Your $30 case probably has room for one, maybe two case fans.

      2 fans (not including the power supply)...

      My computers don't die, no matter how hot the summers get.

      I didn't say anything about skimping on cooling...this case only has room for 2 fans that I see...and I haven't seen a system that needs more than 2 good case fans.

      Your $30 case probably wouldn't hold half the motherboards I've got

      It's a Mid-Tower case. And so is the "MacPC" case.

      you get what you pay for.

      And in this case you get "looks" and that's all...you either get more features or better quality at that price.

      If you put down $60 for a motherboard, $20 for your RAM...

      Agreed.

      $30 for your case, I pity the stability of your computer.

      Disagree.

      My $30 case is similar to This One...which is all the quality you should expect from this system. If you need a better case, you should buy one, but this one offers nothing over my $30 case.

    5. Re:$150 for a case? by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      Last but not least... you get what you pay for. I know, nobody wants to believe that, but it's mostly true. If you put down $60 for a motherboard, $20 for your RAM, and $30 for your case, I pity the stability of your computer. Every one of those components are going to be flakey, unless you're lucky (sometimes you do luck out and get good quality items).

      If you carefully research the components that you are interested in then you can often times get excellent parts for considerably less than top dollar. It's all a matter of evaluating needs versus cost. For example, I paid less than $100 7 months ago for my DDR Athlon mainboard and got an Epox 8KHA+. It's an excellent board, is very fast and rock-solid stable. No compatibility issues and it has plenty of slots for expansion. At the same time I paid $40 for my Enlight 7237 mid-tower case with a 300W PSU. It's easy to get into, installation was simple and it looks and works fine. Around the same time I picked up a TDK VeloCD 24x10x40 CDRW for $70. It works great, burns everything I need to burn and hasn't made a single coaster. There's a lot more at work here than simple dumb luck. While I'm at it, I'd also like to point out the obvious: just because it costs more money doesn't mean that it's any better.

      Don't get me wrong, I use $2 mice and $39 motherboards sometimes. But I know what I'm getting myself into,

      And the implication you make here is that nobody else does. That's a bit of a ridiculous notion, especially when you consider the talents of the average Slashdot reader.

      Holy shit, this post is long. I better get moderated up for all this typing.

      It's usually quality, not quantity that matters.

      Now, on to the matter of this "Mac-alike" case. It looks nice. It seems to be fairly well designed, though still not as well done as a true PowerMac case. The smoked glass/charcoal color doesn't really do much for me personally, but that's just a matter of personal taste (like the rest of my comments about it). When it comes down to it though, it basically looks like any other mid-tower case. I've got a room full of PCs that look basically the same as this one. What is really far more interesting to me are cases like the Shuttle SS40. I think that the small form factor is probably the way to go for the average user nowdays, and the Shuttle systems look damn good. And they're quiet. And if you're really obsessed with wanting a "Mac-alike", just pretend it's a G4 Cube.

    6. Re:$150 for a case? by yakfacts · · Score: 2

      Cheap cases are like cheap motherboards. You get what you pay for. I love it when I pick up a cheap case and it bends the board.

      A case under $80 is not worth looking at. I usually (I work in IT) spend around $100-$120, most expensive was $800 but that was a server case.

    7. Re:$150 for a case? by OneFix · · Score: 2

      I love it when I pick up a cheap case and it bends the board.

      I've bought tons of "cheap cases" (probably not over 100, but at least 75)...and I've never found one that actually BENDS the motherboard...I guess if it had a hole slightly off center it could bend the board, but I've never seen it...especially if you're using the proper connectors...

      I usually (I work in IT) spend around $100-$120

      I do too, and I've never spent that much for a mid-tower, of course I've done 20 and 30 systems at a time, where it was much cheaper to build a couple of extras rather than get more expensive parts. And cheap does not always mean bad. The power supply in my $30 case is perfectly fine....especially when you buy a case with signifigantly more power than you need. I have a $50 case powering a Linux box and it's been on (constantly...only turned off to move) for 5 years. And as for "defectives cases", if you are buying from any reputable firm, they should replace those cases at no cost...or at least that's what the BBB says :)

  8. No flip side by jonnythan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks nice, but doesn't have the functionality and *internal* configuration of a Mac. The current towers (starting with the Blue G3) are the best damn cases i've ever seen. Pull one small lever and the whole thing opens up, laying the motherboard flat right in front of you with nothing in the way. It's even got a very large, quiet case fan built into the side, opposite the PCI slots.

    Someone release a case like THAT for x86!!

    1. Re:No flip side by goober · · Score: 2
      The Dell Dimension 8200 is very similar to that. Push the release button, and you can open up the case just like the Apple cases.

      The key difference here though is that the G4 case you don't have to tip over to open up the case. You can open it while it is running without distrubing any of the cables or losing drive access. Beat that!

    2. Re:No flip side by 4444444 · · Score: 2

      Push the release button, and you can open up the case just like the Apple cases.
      I wouyldn't say just like the Apple cases. I have both a G4 tower and a 8200 It took awhile to figureout the 8200 and to tell the truth it doesn't open very easy. and turning on it's face to open it isn't anywhere near how a Mac case works

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    3. Re:No flip side by Matey-O · · Score: 2

      I got a case that would do just exactly that.

      Problem was, it wouldn't work more than 30 seconds with my 1 Ghz athlon...see, when you flipped the case closed, the processor was in a nice little nook in front of the Power Supply and behind the CDRW and DVD drives. It made for a nice little heatmaker.

      So I overcompensated, got a huge tower box and never had a problem --past getting a floppy ribbon cable long enough.

      Does it look like a Mac's case? Well from sitting at my computer, it might as well. It's behind the desk, hidden in the corner. I don't look at it much.

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    4. Re:No flip side by Rosonowski · · Score: 2

      Erm... what did you expect? It's a p4..

      Seriously, Athlons may run hot, but most of the time, the stock cooling fan and an exhaust fan on the case is all you need, unless you overclock.

      And mabye it's overkill on the huge HSF's for th p4's, because I have seen Dells with passive cooling on the p4, but be honest here... does the athlon really get hotter then any other comparably performing processor?

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    5. Re:No flip side by brad3378 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget to mention the spot for the padlock on the back of the case. It is very slick. Just a standard padlock and you can lock the case closed ***and*** lock the entire case down to the desk. This would be a great feature for a computer lab.

      If anyone here ever goes to a larger computer store in the near future, I highly reccommend "window shopping" down the Mac Isle. Those 22-inch flat panels are amazing!

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    6. Re:No flip side by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 2

      This thing looks like it was made to be a LAN party machine instead of a Mac lookalike. The handle, the flip cover for the connectors, all suggest that this box was meant for lugging to the next tourney. The question is why they didn't go to the logical conclusion and use more rubber or hard plastic to protect against scrapes and bumps. I would have gone for the yellow-and-black "sports electronics" style.

      Seriously, though, the builders ought to tone down their "looks like a Mac" spiel, or else they'll start drawing heat from Apple's rabid lawyer corps. I think the design is different enough, but there's no need to tempt fate.

  9. "Clone" is an unfair description. by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

    I am not a Mac fan by any stretch of the imagination, but to compare that ugly POS case with a Mac case is completely unfair. From an aesthetic standpoint, the Mac case is far more appealing and was clearly conceived by talented designers. Calling that a clone of the Mac case is like calling a Pontiac Firebird a clone of a Ferrari.

  10. Case condom? by JustAnOtherCodeSerf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Color me silly, but once again a PC maker is attempting to make a sorta cool looking pc by adding some plastic to the run of the mill pc case.

    My favorites are the ones where they just replace the front pannel... kinda like building facades... stock brick building with greek columns glued to its face. Maybe I should just glue a picture of the case I really want to the side of my pc.

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  11. NOT a Mac case clone; lacks best Mac case feature by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A colleague of mine who doesn't like Apples was in the lab when the first Mac with the current case design (the Blue-and-White) came in. It's on and working when he comes over to see it.

    This is a bare-metal guy. All his machines in the lab have had their covers removed because he's in them so often he can't be bothered to take the time to take covers off and put them back on. (FCC? What FCC?)

    He starts ranting and raving about how stupid Apple stuff is, how jerky the case looks, etc. "All this meaningless decoration." Pointing to the ring on the right side, he says, "Look at that stupid thing, for instance. What's that supposed to be?" He starts to fiddle with it--and the case swings open, the interior is completely exposed, the motherboard is mounted ON THE PIVOTING SIDE PANEL so it is totally accessible from above AND FROM THREE SIDES (nothing to obstruct your knuckles!)

    And the Mac goes on working without missing a beat.

    "Wow!" he says. "That's the best case design I've ever seen!" Then he adds, "I still hate Apple, though."

    This case clone reveals the shallow understanding of most non-Mac users who think the Mac is all about appearance at the expense of functionality.

    Who cares about a case that just looks vaguely like a Mac (I don't even think they've captured the appearance very well--it somehow looks awkward and unaesthetic)--but that leaves out the Mac case's best functional feature?

  12. I prefer something more practical by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    In my opinion, a system case does not need to be the cutting edge of external design.

    What I really want from a system case is the following:

    1. A decent 300W power supply at minimum that works with all the current ATX motherboards.

    2. Easy installation of the motherboard itself.

    3. Designed so system cooling works well with just one case fan and the power supply fan.

    4. Easy to remove system covers.

    Fortunately, you can get cases meeting my criteria for under US$70 pretty easily.

  13. There Is No Spoon by Effugas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple does something slightly out of the ordinary -- shave off a few edges, put a spit shine on the thing, throw in a screen -- and they're the heights of hardware innovation.

    Yes, cloning Luxo Jr. makes up for it all, but it's the exception that proves the rule. For the most part, a tower is a tower is a tower.

    They don't have to be.

    Where are cases that look like they'd fit directly in with an entertainment system, replete with integrated DVD-ROMs and elegantly sliding front panels for expansion?

    Where are low depth mods of rackmount cases, meant for vertical deployment next to your monitor?

    Why is everything so angular? Volvos weren't this boxy. Why is every sharp angle in the computer world the kind of thing you could just *see* a prisoner filing down in about five minutes into a lethal weapon? I mean, I know programmers have a thing for powers of two (bug me, we'll chant 2^n, it's a real party lemme tell ya), and 90 is 360/2/2, but damn. Pass calculus already.

    Hell, just to be ornery -- where's a natural keyboard clone you can stick a PC inside? In case you haven't noticed, your keyboard is several times larger than the avarage laptop.

    This isn't random complaining. We've got cookie cutter cases with trivial modifications for a reason: Systems that *do* new things are apparently selling better than systems that *look* like they do -- or at least, the economies of scale of making nigh-identical cases are so incredibly massive that every deviation from the standard design introduces order of magnitude slashes of profit margins.

    You might say this has as much to do with the limitations of the ATX spec, which specifically for cost purposes enforces fixed locations for all motherboard connectors. I don't know. I saw one random hobbyist with an ATX machine made out of a hollow cylinder of transparent plexiglass, illuminated with LEDs and with a detailed LCD providing system stats. Damn thing was a work of art. Sony, the one company most known for its attention to industrial design, recently came out with the closest "competitor": A _dark_ grey box with a spinach green LCD.

    And that's the thing, folks. That hobbyist probably spent dozens of hours hand crafting that beauty. The processes required to make such a unique case are extraordinarily varied and unique, and if every new generation of computers needed completely new case designs, costs would shoot through the roof. Your case would become the most expensive part of your machine.

    And so...we don't have unique cases. And I think I'm OK with that. But everyone, please. Unless you're talking about that brilliant homage to Pixar, don't think there's any originality at all among corporate case design.

    There's just not. Your dollars have spoken -- maybe even wisely.

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    1. Re:There Is No Spoon by Effugas · · Score: 2

      Clueless Troll? Big words, AC ;-)

      The old iMac is a BOX. It's a BOX with a MONITOR.

      The new iMac. That's something else. It is gorgeous. Incredible. Beautiful. It's also Luxo Jr., the mascot of Pixar, which Steve Jobs *also* runs.

      It's the exception that proves the rule: The new iMac is unique design, in a way that nothing else on the market is. Apple can pull stunts like that because, well, they're Apple. One of these days I want a collectible card game based on Silicon Valley figures; you'd play as Apple or Microsoft or the Non-Aligned Unix Worlds or something.

      Reality Distortion Field would be damn fun to see illustrated.

      But I digress. The multimedia box you pointed me at is a tub; another responder mentioned a case that -- no offense -- was outdated twenty years ago and actually *does* have lethal edges. I'm sure someone, somewhere has made a case that looks like real stereo equipment. Interesting how we're struggling to just achieve the status quo of blase from another domain...

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    2. Re:There Is No Spoon by SlamMan · · Score: 2

      The who reason behind the square boxes is the motherboards. Motherboards are big rectangles, and as such cases are made to go around them. Do what you want, but nobody's going to cut apart their mother baord to get it to fit into a smaller shape, and so everything case design is still going to have to have a big flat side to it for the board. Here's where Apple's got its nice touch, since it designs the boards AND the cases, it can make em in funk shapes to fit whatever design they want. If a pc maked did it, they get bashed to hell for have a proprietary design, and nobody would buy thier stuff. Maybe when mother boards start being flexable, something will change, but for now, you get a new iMac, or you get a box.

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    3. Re:There Is No Spoon by NeuroManson · · Score: 2

      The difficulty is twofold in regards to case design... One, coming up with a design that is truly innovative and original, second is coming up with a design that appeals to the masses at large...

      Case in point, the monstrosities that are unveiled by the major manufacturers, who are concentrating more on the bottom line, selling new machines, as opposed to actual innovation...

      There are a few exceptions, such as Lian-Li and others, but the primary difficulty is as old as the PC itself: The PC, from etching bath through soldering, testing, wiring and assembly, is an engineering task first, and a creative job second (or third, or fourth, etc)... It's overwhelmingly the "all" of using a PC... And unfortunately, there's little to no way for as vast an industry to make any real profitability from eclectic quirks and traits...

      Apple, in the meanwhile, has developed as a result of that very eclecticness, by essentially combining both the engineering AND artistic aspects towards the same goal...

      The (x86) PC market won't advance into that range until they learn to "think out of the box" as it were...

      And no, I have several unused aging Macs on a shelf in a closet, and a 1.5 Ghz PC on my desk, either are adequate as tools IMO, both have benefits and drawbacks... A terribly unpopular view in regards to technology, but hey, a wine drinker only drinks what brand is handy, a wine *taster* drinks all brands of wine one sip at a time...

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    4. Re:There Is No Spoon by Effugas · · Score: 2

      AC--

      Hadn't seen the NetVista before.

      Not particularly impressed, to be blunt. It's the mastery of sharp edges. Yay.

      Don't worry, I was also not particularly impressed by the original iMac or the toilet bowl iBook.

      OK, I admit some appreciation of the titanium iBook. But I agree with you wholeheartedly about Apple getting more credit than they're worth -- they do things slightly differently and get hoisted up as the bearer of all things new.

      And I think you agree with me too -- the point about the $50 beige cases being exactly what I was originally posting about.

      --Dan

  14. Smart design? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uhm, we're in the 21st century, and our "computers" are STILL huge metal boxes. Everything in the computerindustry shrinks, but aparently the case is the exception to prove the rule, as they keep making bigger and bigger cases.

    Place the latest and greatest Full-Tower-Ultra-Plus-Mega-Giga-ATX case next to say, a Flex-ATX or Micro-ATX case, like the one Tom's Hardware has their hands on here, and tell me which one embodies progress.

    Not to mention how nice it would be not to have to lug around a 30+ pound case (not to mention the heavy-ass 21" trinitron monitor) just to go to a LAN party.

    *sigh* Big Iron isn't a description of mainframes - it's a description of the standard cases you and I use and the cause of our hernia.

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    1. Re:Smart design? by Psiren · · Score: 2

      How many PC owners regularly lug their machines around? Very few I would expect. I certainly don't, thats what I have a laptop for. And I'd much rather have a spacious case than a tiny one. If you're messing about inside with cables etc, there's nothing worse than having no room to work with.

    2. Re:Smart design? by cjpez · · Score: 2

      And you tell me how that little tiny thing is going to hold three hard drives, a CD-R, regular CD-ROM, Zip drive, floppy (yes, I still use a floppy), and my video card / sound card upgrades I periodically buy. There's a reason some of us like big cases.

    3. Re:Smart design? by cjpez · · Score: 2
      Ditch the three hard drives for one large hard drive. Partition as necessary.
      But why just throw away 100 perfectly good gigs of storage? Besides, I like it great the way it is now. My /home partition's on it's own drive, immune to crashes from the others, one holds my (long-dormant) Win95 installation plus swap and some space for the root partition. Someone else brought up the issue w/ speed in this thread, too . . .
      If you're got a CDRW, you don't really need a "regular CD-ROM drive." In fact, if you buy a CDRW/DVD drive, you've got all of your bases covered.
      Well, I refuse to buy a DVD drive for DeCSS-related reasons, so we won't go there, but I'm not going to waste money replacing hardware, like I said above. I've got a perfectly good double-speed burner I got three years ago which, like I said, still functions perfectly, and I've got a 32x regular CDRom that I've had for ages, too. Also, it's nice to be able to copy disc to disc without having to copy to the hard drive first.
      Put an IDE internal ZIP drive in the floppy bay, or use an external parallel port/USB ZIP drive ... Put it in the 3.5" floppy drive bay. Duh!
      Well, it *is* an internal IDE ZIP drive that I've got, and obviously it can't share the 3.5" bay w/ the floppy drive itself. And again, I'm not going to waste money (and resources) buying USB versions of hardware I already have that still works perfectly. Oh, and parallel port solutions are just plain awful. That CD Burner of mine actually used to be a parallel port drive until I ripped it apart to find it was just IDE inside. I've been much happier ever since (although at the time it was very convenient).
      There's already a PCI slot for your sound card upgrades, and the next model is supposed to have an AGP slot so that you can upgrade your video card.
      Sure, but then I've got the second IDE controller I need for all those devices, also if I feel like getting a new NIC or Modem or TV tuner card, or this or that or the other thing. Plus, what if I get sick of dealing with IDE and decide to get a SCSI card? I like having ROOM to expand.
      I'm not trying to be a troll here, but you did ask how to put it all together. I'm just answering.
      No need to justify responses, it was obviously non-troll. Thanks for the responses, although I think you're wrong. :P
  15. Reach for a bucket by boris_the_hacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A lot of the others posts hightlight one of the very important points about apple cases - the ability to open them up and have everything there easy to access. Brilliant. PC cases have cut me up and stabbed me so many times that this was ground breaking. Like most simple ideas are. But, alsa, that is not my point.

    Forgive me, but this case is disgusting. I would be embarrased to show anyone this case, it looks cheap tacky and the sort of thing a wannabe design student from school designed. To coin a phrase, "close but no cigar". Yes the apple case has curves, yes it's smooth plastic, yes it has handles and yes if you copied it out right you would have a law suit on your hands. But if you can't come up with something usefull and good looking dont even goto production.

    Let me ask a few questions, can you imagine a group of designers using this case? No neither can I. Can you imagine your parents using this case? Nope, not them. Can you imagine walking into work with your machines looking like this? Nope neither can I. Schools? Nope, Universitys? Nada. yet these are all places where Apples feature and look correct. Please, please, please can someone not come up with a case that is nice to look at, unobtrusive and functional. Surely I am not alone in wanting something like this.

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  16. Case mods, car mods by eyepeepackets · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A friend of mine in the mid-seventies put an aluminum V8 into a little Toyota (or maybe it was a Datsun, I forget.). Took quite awhile and a lot of mods on the poor little Toyota. He then drove the thing to Kansas.

    The point? Well, I think he did it so he could say he did it. That and the little Toyota could smoke anything else on the street. Computer hardware mods are kinda like that too. Fun to do and the result is you have something unique (or at least different from the mainstream.)

    I once hacked an Atari ST into a beige tower PC case. Wasn't much point in the exercise other than my ST looked a whole lot different than other STs and I learned alot about hacking hardware. Case modding is overall pretty damn cool, IMO.

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  17. Disappointed, no oven door by Apogee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmm, well, looking at it my first impression was "really nice", but then, looking more closely, some things are off ...

    1) The "handles" are not handles, but rather ugly protrusions. What a pity!

    2) as some ppl before me mentioned, as soon as you put your standard-beige drives in the drive trays, it will look a lot crappier than now. Do they plan to provide some way to cover the beige ugliness?

    3) and most important: You can't swing open the side door. That feature alone (and only that one, maybe) would convince me to go for such a case, despite the price tag. Because that is just a plain good idea. But no, not in this case.

    This makes me wonder: Is there a technical reason (I am no big hardware tweaker myself, so I am asking) that an assembly as seen with the G3/G4 macs can't be done in the PC world? Mount the motherboard on a swing-out side panel and leave enough room for the connectors so that it can be opened even when the box is running, and nothing snags or breaks? Why isn't this the standard way of mounting a PC?

    questions, questions, but I am sure the /. crowd has some answers :-)

    1. Re:Disappointed, no oven door by Junta · · Score: 2

      Though not a side door, many Dell's ship where you can open things up that wide and easy.... Hard to do in a DIY system, but OEMs are certainly capable of such systems...

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  18. The Hi-Fi PC by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 2

    If you want a case that would go well with your stereo / VCR / TV, check out this one:

    ATC600

    RMN
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  19. Re:NOT a Mac case clone; lacks best Mac case featu by rattler14 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I admit, I used to be just like this guy. I used to work at a PC store/repair shop and I despised macs to no end. In fact, the company I worked for wouldn't even allow someone to drop one off because no one wanted to deal with "those damn macs".

    So, i was a mac hater for a long time. And i would use all the excuses that people still use. They don't have any software support, they are expensive, people only buy them cause they're pretty, etc etc.

    But,a few months ago a friend of mine bought a powerbook, and i began my usual mac taunting. He then told me to come over and try it out. Now I own a powerbook and i'm happy as all hell with it.

    Point being, give'em a chance. Go and try using one at an apple store for a little while. Mac bashing without ever trying one (especially since OS X) is like posting comments on /. without reading the damn article first.

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  20. Re:NOT a Mac case clone; lacks best Mac case featu by ckd · · Score: 5, Informative
    Does anyone know where there are some decent pictures of an Apple case thats opened up?

    Try Apple's Power Mac "expansion" page.

  21. Bud Tuggly by bill.sheehan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wow - Slashdot is letting AC trolls select the front-page stories! Nevertheless, I'll bite.

    It's not a Mac. Doesn't look a blessed thing like a Mac. Doesn't have any of the attractive features of a Mac (flip down motherboard, e.g.) It doesn't have the fit and finish of a Mac. It's not ergonomic. It doesn't look like the ventilation is all that good, either.

    I was recently in the market for a new case. This is what I wanted. Unfortunately, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Keeper of the Privy Purse shot me down. So I've got a big beige box with beaucoup fans. It's functional, and sits under the table where big ugly boxes belong.

    Now, how about some Stuff That Matters?

    News for birds. Stuff that splatters.

    1. Re:Bud Tuggly by bill.sheehan · · Score: 2
      Counting her bonus, last year she made more than me. I guess that makes me a kept man.

      "Just a gigalo..."

  22. Or... by asavage · · Score: 2
    Ever wanted a Mac case for your pc?

    You could Build a PC Inside of a Mac

  23. Re:This is lame. by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    Tell that to this guy who made an XP skin for OS X.

    Seems like the grass really does look greener on the other side.

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  24. Re:NOT a Mac case clone; lacks best Mac case featu by Scooby+Snacks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The picture the other poster linked to is nice, but to really appreciate it, I suggest you visit a computer store that sells Macs, find an understanding salesperson, and ask to have a look inside the case (even if you don't do it yourself, have them open it up). It's really a thing of beauty.

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  25. This isn't a clone... by greygent · · Score: 2

    It's farkin' hideous... the design, the color, the functionality, etc.

    The only thing it has in common with a Mac case is the shiny plastic.

  26. Mac hardware design has BEEN superior for years by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a former repair tech at a PC/Apple shop, I've known for years that Apple has been consistantly (not 100% of the time, just most times) superior to other consmer PCs as far as hardware design goes. Cases included.

    And has anyone has the occasion to use Apple ServiceSource? Simply the best repair documentation ever. Down to sample startup sounds for the laser printers. We used to put the new guys on Apple repair because just about any moron with average reading comprehension abilities and a screwdriver could follow the procedures in there.

    The problem has always been the OS, and the costs of the hardware.

    Fixing one out of two isn't bad, right?

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    1. Re:Mac hardware design has BEEN superior for years by Toraz+Chryx · · Score: 2

      The problem has always been the OS, and the costs of the hardware. I'd say they've managed to fix the first of those pretty well.

    2. Re:Mac hardware design has BEEN superior for years by Toraz+Chryx · · Score: 2

      Apple gear is still fairly expensive from a price/performance perspective. (Though the Xserve DDR memory controller seems to help a LOT there, and I'd be surprised if we don't get that in the PowerMacs at MWNY)

      It's less expensive from a price/functionality or price/geeklust perspective, but for raw numbercrunching it's difficult to argue with an AthlonXP 2000+ :)

  27. mac case, what? by passion · · Score: 2

    That doesn't look much at all like a mac case - first of all it doesn't have the trademark handles, and feet that lift it up. Secondly, there's no distinctive trademark on the side.

    Just because it doesn't look like a hunk of junk doesn't mean that it looks like a mac.

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  28. Re:besides eBay.... by Toraz+Chryx · · Score: 2

    I do believe Apple Spares centres stock them?

  29. Re:Cool case links by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2
    Coolcase.com! Thay have a model here called Radon!!!

    I'm looking for the rest of this series:
    Asbestos
    P.C.B
    Dioxin

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  30. This looks more like a Mac Mini-tower... by MsGeek · · Score: 2

    In fact, this is very reminiscent of my trusty G3 Blue-and-White, aka "Yosemite":

    http://www.xoxide.com/ecmid.html

    It's reasonably priced too...

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  31. Re:Not your case by OneFix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would you also argue that anyone spending $1000 on a leather couch is an idiot because you can buy cinderblocks and foam rubber mats for much less?

    No, but I'ld argue that spending $1000 on cinderblocks and foam rubber mats covered with leather makes that person an idiot...

  32. Uh, no. by EvilStein · · Score: 2

    The power supply isn't proprietary. I cobbled together a G4/400 in a B&W G3 case a few years back from parts found around the building when I worked at Apple. The power supply was a plain old ATX unit.. nothing proprietary about it at all.

  33. Talking about color ... and a bit OT... by afxgrin · · Score: 2

    I have always been a fan of cheap beige cases. Not for the color itself, but specifically for the price. I also look for functionality - since I spraypaint my cases another color anyways.

    What I would like to see is a good spray that will coat my case/laptop with that 'wet'-looking gloss, and not wear down easily.

    I attempted to use one type of gloss coat on my laptop, but parts of it still wear down. (such as the corners)

    Anyone have any advice for this 'magical' gloss I'm looking for?

  34. Re:keyboard PCs by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    I've seen a few in some of the industry rags that I get. I thought about it, for space reasons, then I remembered how often people at work drop their keyboards. Ugh.

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  35. Re:The worst of both worlds by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 2

    Have you ever used a Chieftec workstation case? You can reach just about every single component easily (boards, memory, CPUs, etc. - not that you'll want to replace those while it's on ;-), even on large motherboards. The front panel also comes off, the disks use cages that snap into place and have a place to attach an 80 mm fan, and the external bays all use plastic rails (to avoid vibration). In all, it has 13 bays and is only a mid-tower. Also, doesn't use any screws (except for the cards). Pretty good, considering PC cases have to be designed to accomodate unknow peripherals. And looks pretty good, too.

    Some branded PCs also come with pretty good cases, namely some Compaq workstations, but I'm allergic to Compaqs so I don't even like them when the case is closed... :-P

    P.S. - Still waiting for the "flames", dear moderators...

    RMN
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  36. Fundamental problem: it's nothing like a Mac case by connorbd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the thing: I've seen a PC case that is built like a Mac case, and it's a clusterfuck.

    Walk into any CompUSA and go looking for a case that bears a significant resemblance to a late-model HP Pavilion case. I don't even want to get into the quality of the case (execrable; it's meant for a full ATX board but has piss-poor ventilation; it also falls apart a bit too easily) or the looks of the case (copies HP's design while completely failing to capture its elegance). The big problem is that the ATX spec just doesn't work for this kind of design.

    The case in question (I think it's OEM by Fujitsu, but this is more speculation than anything else) initially appealed to me because of its easy access design. Just like a Mac case, it's a drop-side design, and in theory could probably be opened up while running. The big problem is that it's just not practical with the current design; the ATX power connectors are usually towards the top of the board, which is a very inconvenient place for a power cable; not only is the cable in the power supply that comes with the case too short, there is no obvious way to get it out of the way of daughtercards, fans, etc.

    I do think a case design like this is a really good idea. Unfortunately, it's just not practical with the ATX spec, and the case featured in the parent article (which is a very poor rendition of its inspiration to begin with) is just a plain old case. At least the Lian Li cases have easy-removal mobo trays and substantial sex appeal... /Brian

  37. Re:Since when do looks count for anything? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

    And then everyone in the x86 world runs out and starts bragging about their Enlightenment setup. :-)

  38. Re:We have all the good brands: Sorny, Panaphonic. by oldstrat · · Score: 2

    My E-one(433)'s are still ticking along just fine.
    I know there were a number that had problems with hard drives (one of mine did, right out of the box), and that the power supplies are too small.
    But to fault the design as too, mac'ish is too simple an approach to the reason for the demise.
    The All-In-One approach, using notebook components is a solid, right idea, green lowpower computers with tight integration between components.
    Just the computer for Mom, or the kids.
    The addition, or non removal of the PCMCIA slots was great, and the inclusion of RCA video in to capture video straight from the VCR, great.
    I'm not claiming the the machines were powerhouses, they were not, and were not mean't to be.
    The killer was the law suit over 'look infringement'.
    That combined with production flaws and shipping induced failures killed the EOne, but only the Courts can hold back the concept.
    The All-In-One has been here before, and it will come back again, the popularity of all notebook homes (homes with more than one PC, but no desktop PC's) is a sign of consumer demand.

  39. Re:Multiple HDs improve performance by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

    Ummm... neither the PC floppy bus nor the ATA bus is hot swap capable.

    Which would almost be relevant if I had actually claimed that either of them was. But I didn't, and I find it odd that the only way you could come up with anything to post about was to cut and paste my post to make it look like I have made claims that I have not made. Are you really that bored?

  40. Re:But why? by BasharTeg · · Score: 3, Funny

    I agree with you! Great thoughts, thank you for sharing them with us!

  41. PC Cases? by TibbonZero · · Score: 2

    But don't most PC cases look and feel close enough? If not, I am going to go patent a Black computer case and the "Retro" Beige case right now..

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  42. Re:Since when do looks count for anything? by Tokerat · · Score: 2

    *shakes head*

    Actually, I said I could care less about how a Mac looks, and more about how it functions.

    Troll...

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