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One Terabyte On a 12-inch^H^H^H^Hcm Disk

News for nerds writes: "At InterOpto'02 - international optoelectronics exhibition hold in Chiba, Japan - OPTWARE Co.Ltd. made up of ex-Sony engineers, demoed(in Japanese) 1-terabyte super-high speed optical disk system "T-VRD." It uses hologram and stores 1 terabyte data in a 12-cm-CD-size disc, with 100Mbps - 1Gbps transfer rate. Available in 2003 as 19-inch rackmount, 2005 for PC." Update: 07/16 18:33 GMT by T : Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)

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  1. 12 cm or 12 inch? by spookymonster · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a big difference there....

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    1. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by ryanr · · Score: 2

      Surely, it must be 12cm, which is more CD-size. I get that impression from the pics.

    2. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by breon.halling · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please don't tell my girlfriend!

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    3. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "12 cm or 12 inch? There's a big difference there...."

      Most blondes don't know the difference.

    4. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The first time I saw a terabyte of storage, it did use 12-inch disks. This was at a trade show well over 10 years ago. It was a juke box type machine the size of a couple of old-fashioned telephone booths. It was filled with hundreds of 12-inch optical disks.

      At the time, they were touting the amazing density of optical technology. I guess they've made a little more progress since then.

    5. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by Ioldanach · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its 12 cm, until you rub it. Then... ;>

    6. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by Ioldanach · · Score: 2
      If you take into account the fact that "^H" represents "backspace", the title makes an awful lot more sense.

      Yes, it does, now that its been changed. It only said inch before, like the editor's comment says...

    7. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by nachoman · · Score: 2, Informative

      12 cm is about 4.7 inches for you non-metric people...

      very nice.

    8. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by MSG · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but the difference of the area of two circles in relative terms is (r2 - r1)^2, not (r2 - r1)^2 * pi.

      I think I need a new sig:
      Don't be an elitist asshole. You're just going to look like an idiot.

    9. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? by edremy · · Score: 2
      Ooh, ohh, I get pedant points.

      12cm is the bore on an M1*A1* or *A2* tank. The M1 has a 105 mm rifled gun, the same as on the older M60 series.

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  2. Great... by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 2

    Another opportunity for the RIAA to change formats and resell everything!

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  3. Re:point? by eyepeepackets · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is your real name Bill Gates by chance?

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  4. Re:point? by (startx) · · Score: 2, Funny

    and there's a world market for maybe 6 computers total....and 256KB should be enought memory for anybody....and I thought I'd never find a use for my 250MB HDD.... as long as they keep building more storage and faster CPU, we will find ways to write in enough code bloat to use it.

  5. Holographic storage? by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Babelfish's rather loose translation:

    From the past it is researched, applying the " hologram system ", the system which was developed. With hologram system of conventional type there was a problem in compatibility and the like of the existing media such as miniaturization and cost and DVD. With the technology which this time is announced, you say these weak points were overcome by using the same company individual " polarized light Cori near hologram technology " and so on.

    Hologram technology until recently, using two object glasses, had the necessity to irradiate separate " reference beam " and " signal light ". You say with polarized light Cori near hologram technology these from one object glass the economical space, cost decrease is actualized by the fact that it makes lighting possible. In addition, we have assumed it can maintain also the compatibility of the DVD and the CD media.


    I'm not sure if the translation is making it accurate or not, but it looks like this is indeed using holographic storage and not just holographic printing.

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  6. Re:point? by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Computer technology has pretty much advanced about as far as is necessary.

    Its almost grammarically incorrect to say something like that without punctuating it by sticking your foot in your mouth in 3 years.

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  7. 640k is more than enough for anyone... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Redundant

    'nuff said...

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  8. cm to in. by bravehamster · · Score: 5, Funny
    NASA Scientist: 12 cm, 12 inches, whats the difference?

    (cut to shot of rocket blasting off, lifting 5 feet off the ground, then falling back to earth in a huge fireball)

    NASA Scientist: Oops.

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    1. Re:cm to in. by the+way,+what're+you · · Score: 5, Funny

      NASA Scientist: 12 cm, 12 inches, whats the difference?

      NASA Scientist's Wife: Ahem.

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    2. Re:cm to in. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2


      What, was it supposed to lift 12.7 feet off the ground before falling back to earth in a huge fireball?

  9. Re:point? by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one needs a terabyte disk. No one needs a 50" monitor. No one needs 10GB RAM. No one needs a 10GHz CPU.

    Can I put that in my quotes file, right next to "640K should be enough for anybody"?

    If you have a terabyte of storage, you can keep EVERYTHING you ever look at, plus about 3x the space for various indices in case you want to find it again.

    Now, if they were talking about a petabyte, you might have a point.

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  10. back to caddies? by lingqi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i wonder how scratch-resistant this is;

    i mean -- one little scratch will now render hundreds of megabytes unreadable...

    makes no difference to me if in the end half the storage space is dedicated to data-redundancy.

    i want those little data-cubes you keep seeing in Sci-Fi movies. those are neater than the disk format.

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    1. Re:back to caddies? by imta11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A local lab brought a prototype cube to my school a few years ago. You don't really need to worry about scratches as much as small vibrations causing dispersion of the bean as it travels through the 3-d space. Remember NextSetp on the discovery channel? They had a demo around 1996. It might be the same technology, just in disk form.

    2. Re:back to caddies? by Grape+Shasta · · Score: 2
      dispersion of the bean as it travels through the 3-d space

      Who would've thought, the future of data storage technology was with us the whole time: The simple, humble bean! Well, I'll be on eTrade if you need me.

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    3. Re:back to caddies? by Jherico · · Score: 2

      If its really holographic storage, depending on how its implemented, it will be much more resitant to scratches than typical CD's or DVD's. Every part of a hologram contains a bit of the whole. If you shatter a hologram of a rose, you don't get lots of little parts of the rose. You get lots of little holograms of the whole original picture, each less distinct and clear than the original. Combined with digital error recovery this could make the media very resiliant.

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    4. Re:back to caddies? by swb · · Score: 2

      I hate caddies, but I do like something other than bare optical storage. I understand that the original CD spec included the box/caddy as part of the medium (ala Minidisc or DVD-RAM carts).

      They'd be bulkier, but ultimately simpler to use/store.

    5. Re:back to caddies? by Hard_Code · · Score: 3, Funny

      *busily scratching hard drive platter* What was that you said?

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    6. Re:back to caddies? by trenton · · Score: 2

      RAID. That's what it's for.

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  11. Re:point? by fo0bar · · Score: 2, Funny
    I said the same thing about 10 years ago, give or take...

    Salesman: "For only $150 more, you could get a 1.2GB hard drive instead of this 850MB."

    Me: "What would I need all that space for?"

    Trust me, Windows 2012 Supa Dupa edition will find a way to take up a 1TB disk during initial install.

  12. Re:point? by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When technology exceeds what is needed for current tasks, new tasks will arise. We can't necessarily say what those tasks will be (if we could, we would start up companies to develop those products), but we can see some recent examples. When hard drive capacities shot up in the past few years, first MP3 collections took off, then TiVo and ReplayTV arose.

    (I guess I've been trolled. Oh well.)

  13. Re:point? by Mr+Krinkle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmmm
    No future sight there.
    What was the quote from the CEO at IBM, something like,
    "I believe worldwide there is a market for 25 computers." That was said in the 60's. And it did not sound ridiculous. As for the 50 inch monitor, for my desk NO, but damn would that be nice for a monitoring system on a wall. As for 10 GB RAM welcome to the minimum system specs for Windows (Insert random suffix here) in 10 years.
    Computers get more powerful. We force them to do more and more and expect them to be able to do more and more.
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  14. ITS CM by paradesign · · Score: 2
    its says so in the first line of the article, and its not in kanji.

    bla bla bla InterOpto'02 bla bla bla 12cm CDbla bla bla

    RTFA!

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    1. Re:ITS CM by PunchMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      its says so in the first line of the article, and its not in kanji.

      bla bla bla InterOpto'02 bla bla bla 12cm CDbla bla bla

      RTFA!


      Well, I don't know kanji!!!! For all I know "cm" is the kanji characters for "inches"...

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  15. Whats someone gonna do with all that? by Dunkalis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you had a terabyte of MP3s, you would have approximately 250,000 songs, if you assume an average song is 4MB. If there are approximately 12 songs on a CD, you would have to own 20,833 CDs.

    If you had 1MB of video per minute, you could hold one million minutes of video. That comes out to 16666 hours of video. It would take you 694 days to watch every minute of that, or a little under 2 years!

    Now, who has that much content? Hmm? Correct my math, if I messed up. I'm not feeling too good today...

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    1. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by hagbard5235 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's do you video calculation again. If memory serves compressed HDTV is about 19MB/second. Let's call it 20MB/second to make the calculations easier. So 1 terabyte gives us about 50,000 seconds. This is about 13-14 hours. So we are looking at about 13 hours of HDTV.

    2. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2

      Sounds like you could fit all of the contect that was available on Napster onto one disk. Now we can just mail it to each other!

      Time to start downloading some more...

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    3. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2

      Well, if I had that much storage space, to hell with MP3 - I'd store everything as 16/44.1 stereo WAV files. And, you're off by quite a bit on the video estimate. DVD-quality video averages closer to 30 MB/min. So you're really only going to get about 550 hours of video, and far less if you want HDTV-quality.

    4. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by mh_tang · · Score: 3, Funny

      All these numbers are very confusing to me. Can someone please break it down into meaningful numbers, such as how many Library of Congress's can be put on each disc??

    5. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by dolanh · · Score: 2

      A friend working at the "Death Star" (big black Sony bldg in San Jose) showed me a Sony product called a PetaSite that they used for storing broadcast-quality video during editing. Apparently the product is marketed as the PetaFile in Japan..

    6. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by pdp8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think US broadcast HDTV tops out at ~20 megabits/sec (not megabytes), so 1 Terabyte works out to ~100 hrs of HDTV (in practice much more because most HDTV content will probably be done at a lower bit rate...). Still wanting to put 4 years of your favorite show on to one disk is not an unreasonable thing to want to do (100 hrs is much less than one pro-football season worth of games....)

    7. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by Kredal · · Score: 2

      You could hold 500 bazillion 1:1 scale maps of Texas on a single disk.

      Or something.

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    8. Re:Whats someone gonna do with all that? by hagbard5235 · · Score: 2

      You are correct... mia culpa... I always forget
      the bytes to bits thing :)

  16. OK, how many LOC*s is that? by DeafDumbBlind · · Score: 2

    * LOC= Library of Congress.

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    1. Re:OK, how many LOC*s is that? by WEFUNK · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not including pictures, the answer is about .05 LOC per disk, or about 20 of these 1TB disks for the entire text of the collection.

      For added perspective, the Internet Archive lists a number of other comparisons to their over 100 Terabytes of web pages dating from 1996.

      Finally, in 2000 the "How Much Information?" project attempted to estimate the total amount of information produced in all major mediums: from books to TV to the Internet to photos to x-rays and more. Based on their data (from a few years ago), every American musical recording produced each year could fit on a couple of these new 1TB disks (compressed) and every new DVD could probably fit on about a dozen. The Internet is harder to estimate, due to hidden content (databases, dynamic pages) but they estimated the "surface" web to be 25-50 Terabytes and total "web-connected documents" to be as high as 7,500 Terabytes!

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  17. IBM Must be Seeing Red? by IronTek · · Score: 2

    This makes IBM look bad (well, even worse)...haven't they been working on holographic storage for years and years and years?!

  18. Re:Capacity or speed? by randomErr · · Score: 2

    From the article: 12-cm-CD-size disc, with 100Mbps - 1Gbps transfer rate

    From the previous poster: Solid state storage I want for speed, sure optical disc's are great for capacity at the expense of speed.

    From me: My network at work can't do a sustained 100Mbp. What the heck do you mean optical can't do speed?

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  19. In related news. by aengblom · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news. Sony announces it will immediatley begin selling these disks to consumers.

    Optware Spokesman:
    "We were thinking it would take 10 years the technology to be needed, but bad jokes about our hardware's "12 inch vs. 12 cm" capabilities, beowulf of them, and how much prOn one could store on it completly overwhelmed previous storage technologies" ;-)

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  20. 120 mm ! : go see the optware site guys... by pruneau · · Score: 5, Informative
    HERE they will explain you what their technology is. Go to the technology section, all you will need is a flash plugin ;-)

    And of course, it's 120 mm = 12cm != 12 inches ~= 36 cm...

    Because CD-media size is a must !

    Basically, they:

    • "split" the beam of light in differents rays, each carrying data, as opposed to CD/DVD where the beam carries one bit at a time.
    • They work into the "bulk" of the recording media, instead in a 2-D way for CD/DVD
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  21. Re:point? by dirvish · · Score: 2

    Can you say V C D? A movie is ~1.3 GB. If I wanted a decent collection I would need a lot of storage space.

  22. Re:Just imagine a RAID-0 of these guys by randomErr · · Score: 2

    Did they ever say if these lil' guy were re-writable yet?

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  23. resell everything by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Insightful

    on one disk!

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  24. Media size does matter. by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 2

    I think that most people would side with the fact that as a whole consumers have picked what size disc they want. We want media with the same diameter as a CD/DVD from here on out whenever possible. Why? They're easy to keep track of... unlike the little Dataplay cartridges that we've all seen stories about. I personally wonder why would you want something that small when you could have something of a more manageable size that uses the same technology... Discs maintaining the same size also ensures future drives will play old media. My DVD deck will play CDs etc... Which a very good point was made that record labels don't mind a format change to provide extra income once in a while. Collectively they've just got to learn to get over it and produce more new product worth buying... you know... good music. On the other hand you could also look at it this way. This data storage format will initially not be needed by your average consumer. Producing a propreitary system would cut initial costs to bring the technology to market. Then money could be made of the product and directed to adapting the technology to a consumer audience. It might cost much more for them to cram all the work into a 5.25 drive... or it might not be possible. Speaking of which... that is the weirdest drive enclosure I think I've ever seen... looks like a PS2 on crack.

    1. Re:Media size does matter. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2
      We want media with the same diameter as a CD/DVD from here on out whenever possible. Why? They're easy to keep track of...

      Speak for yourself, bub. CD's have a really crappy form factor. They're too big to fit inside a pocket, need specially designed carrying cases, and have crappy latency characteristics. Give me a non-rotating piece of storage the size of a credit card. These would fit in standard-sized pockets, we already have specialized carrying cases for them (called wallets), and they wouldn't have the rotational latency issues. Now all we need is the density...

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    2. Re:Media size does matter. by Ioldanach · · Score: 2
      We want media with the same diameter as a CD/DVD from here on out whenever possible. Why? They're easy to keep track of...

      Speak for yourself, bub. CD's have a really crappy form factor. They're too big to fit inside a pocket, need specially designed carrying cases, and have crappy latency characteristics. Give me a non-rotating piece of storage the size of a credit card. These would fit in standard-sized pockets, we already have specialized carrying cases for them (called wallets), and they wouldn't have the rotational latency issues. Now all we need is the density...

      What about business card sized? Do the same form factor with this optical technology as is already done with cd, and assuming the same 50:670 data capacity ratio you'll get 76GB of storage space on a business card sized disk. Would that take care of your needs? That'd be about 116 raw cd's, or 600 high quality encoded cd's.

    3. Re:Media size does matter. by Animats · · Score: 2
      The CD form factor was defined to fit the size of the standard hole for auto radios. Really.

      Personally, I'd rather have a more protected medium. CD carriers have gone out of fashion, partly because they were unstandardized and overpriced. But some protection for a 1TB recording surface seems indicated.

  25. Re:point? by Jorrit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A terabyte is really not THAT much in some applications. For example at my work they have very large medical images (electronic X-ray images and so on). These have to be very detailed so they are big. Since this is also the biggest hospital of Europe there are lots of images coming in every day (several hundreds a day, I don't have exact figures) so this grows quickly indeed.

    Keep in mind that a terabyte is only 1000 gigabyte. I have a digital video camera which I plan to connect to my future computer to work on video's. If you like to store huge movies on disk then this huge capacitity will get small very quickly indeed.

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  26. This is a step in the WRONG direction by Ark42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well sorta ...

    at 100mbit/sec, we can say about 12.5 mbyte/sec transfer rates. That is really slow now-a-days for a hard drive. 1gbit/sec (125mbyte/sec) is decent, but with UDMA100/UDMA133 standard right now, this technology seems to be behind times in speed when it finally gets released for PCs a year or two from now.

    Remember, the hard drive is probably the bottleneck in almost every PC and server, particularly with huge databases. I would really like to see hard drives get faster and faster instead of bigger and bigger.

    1. Re:This is a step in the WRONG direction by pmz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, aside from the fact that 12.5MB/sec is probably what people actually get from UDMA133, such a terabyte disk could be a very good application for WORM drives in systems that need permanant on-line storage of everything. Isn't this a feature of Plan 9?

    2. Re:This is a step in the WRONG direction by ottffssent · · Score: 2

      ...this technology seems to be behind times in speed when it finally gets released for PCs a year or two from now.

      By 2005, hard drives will probably be in the vicinity of 100M/sec STR (double today's value) so the gigabit high-end quoted in the article will be quite acceptable. Where these discs will really have problems though is in access time. Modern CD and DVD drives have access times of about 85-125ms, 8-30 times slower than modern hard drives. Fortunately, discs are used primarily for STR-bound tasks such as playing audio or video, backing up data, and the like. What is important, I think, is the expense of making drives and even more so of making the discs themselves. Then there's the issue of need. CDs are starting to show their age. DVDs haven't matured yet to take their place, but are begining to feel the pinch as well. Only backup applications would need a terabyte of space and until there is a mass-market need for the technology, it will be expensive and relegated to the market currently occupied by tape drives today.

      Remember, the hard drive is probably the bottleneck in almost every PC and server, particularly with huge databases. I would really like to see hard drives get faster and faster instead of bigger and bigger.

      I disagree. Granted, faster is better, but it really isn't a problem. Hard drives are a mass storage device, and should not be used for a computer's working data set. This is why 32-bit addressing is such a problem - 4G isn't much data at all for a large DB. I don't know much about databases, but it seems to me many DB operations are limited by access time, not STR. And access time is limited by the moving parts inside hard drives - you can only flick a read head back and forth so fast before things start to break (and melt too). On the other hand, data storage needs increase year by year and for 99% of them, the speed of access isn't very important.

      Personally, I'd rather see RAM get cheaper (and faster) than hard disks get faster. 50M/sec and 100-400 IO/sec is more than I need from a single drive. Besides, both those figures can be increased dramatically with RAID if needed. OTOH, modern CPUs are all starved for data in nearly all operations. I suspect in the future we will see more 3-level caches with the third level consisting of a fairly large amount (128M-1GB) of very fast DDR DRAM and main memory consisting of many RAM banks such as are found in modern servers. Apple's got a L3 DDR cache that delivers ~2-3G/sec, but many main memory systems can deliver that bandwidth. GFX cards on the other hand are in the 10-20G/sec range and would, I suspect, dramatically benefit high-end CPUs. See, for example, HP and IBM's MCM technology with large shared caches. Another approach may be to design an ISA with very many registers replacing the common L1 cache for efficiency, leaving only L2 and L3 caches buffering memory accesses.

  27. Re:point? by AJWM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No one needs a terabyte disk.

    Talk to the computer vision people. MPEG and JPEG compession work in part by throwing out a lot of information that the human vision system won't miss. Applying current machine vision algorithms to such data doesn't work at all well due to compression artifacts.

    Consider the latest digitally-produced Star Wars episode. If that were stored in uncompressed form, it'd take about three terabytes. (Assuming 2k by 3k frames, 24 fps, and two hour running time.)

    Nice troll, though ;)

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  28. Rough Translation by kawaichan · · Score: 5, Informative

    The corporation optical wear the 1TB (the tera- byte) announced the optical disk technology " tera- byte optical disk system " whose it is possible to write capacity, to the disk of 12cm CD size in the comprehensive exhibition " InterOpto'02 " of optical industrial technology.

    From the past it is researched, applying the " hologram system ", the system which was developed. With hologram system of conventional type there was a problem in compatibility and the like of the existing media such as miniaturization and cost and DVD. With the technology which this time is announced, you say these weak points were overcome by using the same company individual " polarized light Cori near hologram technology " and so on.

    Hologram technology until recently, using two object glasses, had the necessity to irradiate separate " reference beam " and " signal light ". You say with polarized light Cori near hologram technology these from one object glass the economical space, cost decrease is actualized by the fact that it makes lighting possible. In addition, we have assumed it can maintain also the compatibility of the DVD and the CD media.
    Difference of data record method such as CD drive Device of record to tera- byte disk

    Those where the reflecting horizon where structure of the tera- byte disk media puts the cubic measure hologram record material with the disk baseplate of the glass make, the pre- format is done is pasted in the one side. It is not the glass in the future, you call the schedule where the disk baseplate of the plastic make is used. In addition, at the beginning the media of the is offered, but you say relying tub Lu it will be able to offer also the media in the future.

    At the time of data record, signal light and reference beam are irradiated vis-a-vis this reflecting horizon, reference beam and the information light which are reflected to interfere inside the cubic measure hologram material, the data is recorded to the interference fringes which occur.

    When grasping the device which grasps the hologram which irradiates only reference beam, is recorded to the cubic measure record material.

    With the former DVD and CD drive, using single laser light, it does reading and writing, but with hologram technology, the bundle of the light whose large number is thin is used. In addition, the data was recorded until recently level at the bit unit, but with hologram record, it is possible to record to three-dimensional cubic measure hologram layer as a page data.

    Because of that, with the disk media which uses hologram, it is possible to write the data of 3 ten thousand bit inside hologram of diameter 500 mu m. While the respective hologram to be piled up, because it is existence possible, we have assumed it is suitable for large increasing capacity. In addition, only the 1bit data transfer could do with the pickup of former DVD/CD drive, at one time, but because with hologram system the data of 3 ten thousand bit can be read and written at one time, also data rate improves substantially, you say data transfer with the 100Mbps - the 1gbps becomes possible.

    Appraisal device " T-VRD " of the tera- byte optical disk system was displayed in the InterOpt meeting place, demonstration was done. At the same company, at the beginning we have assumed, introduction in TV station and the Government agency is anticipated, we have assumed on end of 2003 offer of 19 inch rack-mounted type system, furthermore it miniaturizes drive itself in 2005, it develops in for the foam/home server and the PC market as a consumer product.
    The drive part of T-VRD When drive was opened. As for the media being stored by the cartridge, it is The corresponding disk was displayed from each company

    Actually hologram it was recorded the media As for this way unused media. The record aspect has like the mirror high reflectance

    Yoshio Chairman and CEO Aoki Chief Executive Officer

    At the announcement meeting place, Yoshio the Aoki of Chairman and the CEO Chief Executive Officer greets, " presently in communication industry, per second also the 1TB thing data has become transmission possible. This the movie of 2 hours is something which is made transfeable in 0.1 seconds. Is, but when it reaches the point where it can exchange the large capacity data instantaneously, even on the storage side which retains that data large capacity and high speed the media which had transfer speed becomes necessary ", necessity of the tera- byte optical disk system was expressed.

    " With the former CD and DVD drive, NA value of the object glass was increased, precision of recording density was increased by the fact that wave length of the laser is reduced. Is, but with this method already the limit has been visible ", also you talked, the disk system which uses hologram emphasized that it is the system which system differs until recently completely.

    Home page of optical wear
    (As of July 16th, the information regarding this product is not published)
    Http: //www.optware.co.jp/ja/main.html

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  29. Re:Capacity or speed? by blamanj · · Score: 2

    From me: My network at work can't do a sustained 100Mbp. What the heck do you mean optical can't do speed?

    Two words: seek time

  30. DVDs. Nuff sed. by freeweed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A terabyte is roughly what, 100 dvd's? Hell, I own more movies than that, and I'm not even 30 yet. I'd love to not have to swap them just to watch.

    Of course, by your line of thinking, a Commodore 64 suits everyone's needs: it has color, you can do programming, word processing, can get online, and even save your games on disks! Why would anyone need anything more?

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  31. News blast from the future. by supabeast! · · Score: 5, Funny

    Headlines from 2003/2005

    Software pirates in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia immediately began selling copies of NBC's entire 2006 TV lineup, Warcraft IV-10, Photoshop 2008, and MS Office Xtra-Ultra-Uber-Nextgen on the new disks for a street price of $5, all on one disk.

    RIAA and MPAA lawyers assaulted Sony with lawsuits today, claiming that the disk assited in storage and dissemination of intellectual property and violating copyright control schemes.

    Immediately after, Canadian and European lawyers under the control of movie and recording lobbyists added a hefty tax to the sale of each disk, with collected fees sent to movie and music companies.

    Australians quickly installed $1 per/disc copy machines in Lucky Dragon stores across the continents.

    Citizens of the USA tried to read reports about the new discs, but because a Microsoft lead consortium refused to provide digital certificates to news releases, Americans cannot view the files on their computers.

    1. Re:News blast from the future. by glwtta · · Score: 2

      hmm, is Sony only a member of RIAA, or is it both RIAA and MPAA? though I'm sure suing yourself will get some interesting tax loopholes.

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  32. Re:Does this mean DVD's with 120 movies by randomErr · · Score: 2

    Well that isn't a new DVD standard for HDTV yet so your idea may not be that far off. About a new movie media, and the kid.

    It would be a killer to the new dVHS as well.

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  33. Re:point? by cosmosis · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You're right about a Terabyte being just in time to hold ALL of our music, videos, and digital photo's, as well as everything else.

    Here is what I can see for future increases in storage:

    Petabyte: Store your entire DVD collection, CD collection, MP3 collection, all of your digital photo's from a lifetime, books, documents, etc.

    Exabyte (1 million Terabytes): This amount of storage will be useful if you want to record in hig-quality digital video all of yor life from your wearable computer that you take everywhere. You will be abel to access every moment of your life, every conversation and play it back at anytime. The type of memory would also come in handy for storing large, highly detailed Virtual Worlds of your own creation. This is exactly where I see 100GHz machines coming in handy - the ability to render realistic virtual worlds on the fly.

  34. Q: Who Needs 1 TB? A: Video by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    I've got a couple of TiVo's, one with 200 GB of IDE disk in it and I'm running out of space. It's a nicer quality archive format than VHS, but limited in quantity.

    I can foresee cheap wireless video cameras being used around the house for security monitoring being recorded to disk. That kind of application will eat up disk space in a hurry.

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  35. centimetres or inches? by DrVxD · · Score: 2

    > Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
    Scarcely matters if it's in a 19 inch rackmount, does it? I mean the technology is neat but a 19inch rack is a 19inch rack - doesn't matter how small the contents are (unless they don't fit in a 19inch rack at all...)

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  36. You are oh so mistaken by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eh, what's the point of having that much storage space? Computer technology has pretty much advanced about as far as is necessary.

    Nice to see you joining us on slashdot, Bill.

    I still remember when you told us all we'd never need more than 640k of RAM. Still trying to live that one down, aren't you? :-)

    On a more serious note, until I can render my entire featurelength movie with full 3d animation effects in realtime I won't be satisfied.

    Indeed, that is only equivelent to a 1x CD-RW or DVD-RW, so even real time won't be acceptable.

    Which means, until I can render my entire featurlength movie in 1 second and ship it out to all my friends and relatives in another second, I won't be satisfied.

    But wait! I want to do that featurelength movie in HDTV 1080p format. Actually, since most of my friends have 1200p capability, I'd like to be able to render in 1920x1200 30 fps, 48bit color in under a second.

    Well, movie making was fun, but now I prefer fully immersive virtual reality, at resolutions sufficient that the human eye can't tell the images aren't real. While realtime was initially fast enough for this rendering (no matter how fast I turn my head!), I find I want to render my worlds much more quickly than that to support multiple presences, so I can meet friends in my virtual world. So, until I can render all 3-d objects down to the molecular level in my entire, vast virtual world, in under a second, I won't be satisfied.

    But wait! I'd like to ...

    1 Terabyte sounds like a lot now, but I suspect we will find it to be very limited a few short years after it comes out. Human creativity is an amazing thing, and tends to push the boundries of whatever technical limits are placed upon it. I see no sign of this changing anytime soon, or of human creativity having come close to reaching some ephemeral "limit."

    We won't be using the same computers in 20 years that we are today. Well, maybe some of the less flexible of us will be, but our children certainly won't be, and those of us more willing to keep up with a changing world likely won't be either.

    Unless, of course, Hollywood is given veto power over all new technologies, in which case our children will be using computers more akin to the old IBM PC/XT my parents used back in the 80's, rather than what we're using today, but that is a tangent for another day.

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    1. Re:You are oh so mistaken by isorox · · Score: 2

      On a more serious note, until I can render my entire featurelength movie with full 3d animation effects in realtime I won't be satisfied.

      If its in real time, it doesnt really matter how long the movie is does it?

  37. Yeah except... by sterno · · Score: 2

    That example is irrelevant because the broadcasters will never let us record anything :).

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    1. Re:Yeah except... by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Nah, you just have to record the raw video streaming out of the DVI port.

      Which means that 1 TB gets you about 10 seconds of video.

    2. Re:Yeah except... by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      At 1920x1080x24bit, a frame of HDTV is just under 6MB. 1TB should hold about 176000 frames. At 30fps that's about 98 minutes. That doesn't include audio, but 10 tracks of 24 bit 96kHz digital audio for 98 minutes will fit in about 16GB - less than 2% of the disk. Figure 95 minutes of audio/video, almost enough for an average length movie.

      Of course, there's nothing stopping you from compressing the A/V between the DVI port and the disk. Even with lossless compression, you would be able to fit just about any movie on the disc.

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  38. So much data to lose by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2

    One TB on a single disc. Man, I hope the plastic coating is much more sturdy than on current CDs and DVDs, it's a lot of data to lose because you didn't set the disc properly and the drawer scratched the disc as it closed.

    And titanium alloy jewel cases that aren't going to shatter and splinter when sent through the USPS or sat on by your kid/dog.

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    1. Re:So much data to lose by glwtta · · Score: 2

      sat on? I have never shattered or splintered a CD or DVD without delibrate intent (and much effort); in fact, I can't recall a single one becoming unusable (or at least un-rescuable), CDs and DVDs are very durable media (at least in comparison with hard-drives)

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  39. Re:crappy sig by idfrsr · · Score: 2

    complain to Terry Pratchett, unfortunately I can't fit his name in too....

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  40. Re:point? by Trinn · · Score: 3, Informative

    As for the 100GHz machines, unless clustering has induced much more delay than I am used to expecting, you would still need many of those to render realistic virtual worlds on the fly, given the time it took to render scenes on render farms for films like Monsters, INC., toy story, FF:TSW, and others. a 10THz machine, with well optimized code, however, should be able to pull it off. Your 100GHz machine though would almost certainly be able to throw a primitive polygon-based version in realtime. Anyway, just my $0.02.

  41. It wasn't NASA by tg_schlacht · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was Lockheed Martin that was using Imperial units.

    NASA however apparently failed to read Lockheed Martins' code.

  42. Re:Capacity or speed? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Optical Solid state storage?

    IT'S CALLED PAPER.

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  43. Re:point? by anonymous_wombat · · Score: 2
    Now, if they were talking about a petabyte, you might have a point.

    If they were talking about a petabyte, then you could keep all of the scientific satellite data being sent down (terabytes daily) for awhile on one disk. Even a petabyte isn't enough for some purposes.

  44. Year 1981 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Computing_timeline

    Check it out

  45. Hrmph by spottedkangaroo · · Score: 2, Funny
    There seems to be some confusion about this ... lemme see if I can help.

    bash$ stty erase ^H

    That should take care of the problem.

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  46. Who cares? by md17 · · Score: 2, Funny

    '640 Kb should be enough for anyone.' - Bill Gates

  47. The size of a CD by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can see it now..
    "Free with a purchase of a new Dell!: Sony's all-in-one 40x/12x/32x/CDRW//20x/8x/4x/DVDRW//2x/1x/T-VRDRW.. con't. on p.44"

    All Your media are belong.. oh screw it

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  48. In the next chicktechno movie by gelfling · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah in the next Angelina Jolie movie some government agency will accidently lose the entire genetic code of every living thing on earth on one of these disks and there will be massive quantities of Chick-Fu to retreive it.

  49. Re:Well, all those development are great by Kredal · · Score: 2

    Offtopic I know, but I've got "excellent" karma to burn...

    why say Y2K+2 requiring 5 key presses, and 3 shift key presses, when it only required 4 keypresses total to type 2002?

    I've seen this year written as 2K2 which is kinda cool, but adding in more stuff just takes more time to type. So why do it? So you look like a 1337 h4x0r?

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  50. Re:point? by ajs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In email from Bill Gates he denies the quote, but instead of offering up context for its origin or any explanation of why the quote originated, he waxes on about memory limitations. He even claims credit ("I and many others have said") for "Moore's Law", though he uses a mildly modified form of the assertion (1 extra bit every 2 years).

    As rebuttals go, it's pretty weak. I'd love to hear from the original citer on when/where it was quoted from.

  51. Johnny Mnemonic could only hold 160 GB by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was amused by the Johnny Mnemonic movie, in which Keanu Reeve's head would explode if he didn't get the 320GB of data out of it (Johhy's capacity was only 160GB, or 'leakage' would occur). Given how far into the future it was supposed to take place, that amount seemed pretty small. Johnny's 'futuristic' capacity looks ever more ludicrous with each new jump in real-world capacity.

    1. Re:Johnny Mnemonic could only hold 160 GB by ErikZ · · Score: 2

      Hey, it was in his HEAD.

      How much functional hardware can YOU stick in your head? None? Well then 160GB is pretty damn impressive.

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  52. We Need More... Lots More by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its remarkable to me how unimaginative this community is at times. Terabytes are nothing to use even with today's technology.

    This is barely enough to start cracking the doors to the real future of computers. With this, you may be able to store a few seconds of fully immersive video. I'm talking the kind of stuff that gives you limit of human sight resolution for anything beyond arm's length no matter what direction you look in. Add this storage to flight simulator technology that notes your head position and dynamically reproduces the right resolutions across your field of vision using 210 degree goggles, and you've got an experience in the making.

    Another technology that would soak it up in seconds would be life recording. I've got a fairly poor memory and generally forget completely almost anything beyond three years ago. I'd LOVE to be able to wear a device that records my every moment in 360 degrees with fully directional audio. But, really, the recording technologies, including storage, won't be the most difficult part of the development. The really tough part will be the technology to search the database. It will need to be able to interpret everything seen and heard in order to be able to replay what I'd like without my having to remember times and places. Furthermore, it would need to do so in near real time as the only time that it might have to "catch up" would be when I slept...actually, I'd probably won't much of that time recorded too. Expand that to recording not only my personal experience but anything occurring anywhere on any property that I own in full 3D realistic resolution and bringing things to my attention that I've told it too and the task is at least 30 years of technology away (2^^30 * current storage capacities + 2^^24 * current processing capacities). Add recording of other aspects of the environment like smell, temperature, RF, etc and you could soak up technology forever. People will want these things.

    The day will come, probably within this century, when petabytes and petaips are to us what bits are today.

  53. You really want terabyte-level storage by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    I think the need for terabyte-level storage is a lot larger than people think.

    This is especially true for the entertainment industry. People forget that a digital copy of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones used for DLP theatrical digital projectors need something like 300 gigabytes of storage capacity. What will be needed in the future when digital projectors go to higher resolutions and 96 fields per second display to improve picture quality? In that case, easy-to-transport terabyte-level storage becomes very necessary.

  54. Actually by RobinH · · Score: 2

    Actually, these non-metric people would say 12 cm is about 4 11/16 inches. ;-)

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  55. Re:Why did the blonde go to church? by CyberDruid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because she heard they had a guy hung like _this_ *stretches arms*.

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  56. Re:point? by cosmosis · · Score: 2

    We could use this argument to say that cave man got by without any technology at all other than the use of fire and chiseled bone and rock.

  57. Ob MS Bashing by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    1TB disk... should just barely be enough for the installation disk of Microsoft Windows XXXXP 2005!

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  58. Re:point? by Hercynium · · Score: 3, Funny

    One word for you: Holodeck!

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  59. Re:I think you missed the point by CyberDruid · · Score: 2

    Since he had to pass through customs (or something like that), he could not keep the data on regular media. Bear in mind that the actual data that he downloads is originally on a tiny CD-like thing. He had to use "natural" media (the brain) so that they wouldn't suspect him of being the courier.
    Thus it is really the brain that is supposed to have 160 GB of free space, that can be utilized before it starts to write over personal stuff. You can hardly expect the brains storage capacity to follow the same exponential laws as hardware, now can you? ;)

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  60. Why do you think they sold their HD business? by jonr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course IBM has something up the sleeve. Good bye, rotating media!

  61. Re:point? by Space+Coyote · · Score: 2

    MP3 collection? With that much space, who needs lossy compression at all? :)

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  62. for the "who needs this much space?" people by glwtta · · Score: 2
    this is actually pretty old

    In IT terms, the human genome is a text of seven billion characters, and together with its associated annotations, Celera already maintains a 70-terabyte database, after only a year and a half of operation. That database is growing rapidly - by 15 to 20 gigabytes a day, or eight terabytes a year - as is the number of people accessing it.

    I don't know when this article is from, but they are already over 100TB.

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  63. "...copy machines in Lucky Dragon stores..." by tlambert · · Score: 2

    Oh!

    Most Excellent subtle reference to William Gibson's "Idoru"!

    Extra points awarded for the Australians doing the installing...

    -- Terry

    1. Re:"...copy machines in Lucky Dragon stores..." by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Sorry; didn't read that discussion.

      -- Terry

  64. Re:tera, peta, whata? by Fweeky · · Score: 2

    Yup.

    Look at http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?prefi x. And memorize it this time ;)

  65. Re:A Couple of Thoughts... by Dynedain · · Score: 2

    ummm.....i think your math is off.....

    if you can read a gigabyte in 80 seconds, then a 50 gigabyte file should only take you 50 x 80s / 60 s/m = 67 minutes

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  66. Re:12 cm or 12 inch? Tape by billstewart · · Score: 2
    The first terabyte system *I* saw was a 12" reel of inch-wide digital write-once paper tape, from Creo. The drive was about the size of a conventional tape-drive (i.e. refrigerator-sized, in those days). The drive cost about $250K, and each tape reel was about $10K (as opposed to typical magtape at $25/reel.)

    Somebody else at the same trade show had a video-cassette-based jukebox that could be expanded to about 6 TB if you used enough bays and enough tapes. Times change :-)

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  67. Re:point? by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

    If only it was 2k by 3k then I'd be all for digital. It was only 1k by 2k and that's why it sucks compared to film. When digital reaches about 3k by 6k it will have equaled films potential. In reality the optical soundtrack reduces the potential space for visuals, damn it. Why stop at 24fps anyway? I'm looking forward to 3k by 6k at 70fps. That will be enough so I can't see jerkyness at all. *cues quake players to bitch 70fps is too slow*

  68. Re:point? by cosmosis · · Score: 2

    Advanced in optronics alone will give us computers operating in the Thz range, and when we start seeing the fruits of nanotech, and nanotube circuitry, we will easily be getting into $1000 machines millions of times faster than what is available today.

  69. Write-Only Filesystem by jelle · · Score: 2

    Such technology asks for whole new filesystems.

    Instant-snapshot logging filesystem

    Nothing ever gets deleted and any file ever written can always be retrieved.

    Put a new medium in the drive once a month and you've got full backups too.

    Who needs a versioning system then?

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  70. Re:point? by Saeger · · Score: 2
    I'm looking forward to 3k by 6k at 70fps.

    And I'm looking forward to that kind of quality being beamed into each of my eyes, for a full FOV, stereoscopic experience... vs. the boring 2D screen.

    I'd easily pay over 10 grand to be an early adopter of this tech. Too bad Microvision's current stuff pretty much sucks - so it'll be a while yet.

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  71. s/s/c/ by BlowCat · · Score: 2, Funny
    12 cm must refer to the floppy disk version, while 12 inches is the hard disk.:-)
    12 cm must refer to the floppy dick version, while 12 inches is the hard dick.:-)
  72. That's just plain wrong... by schmaltz · · Score: 2

    12 inches == 30.48 cm.

    1 inch == 2.54 cm !~= 3.0 cm...

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  73. Re:point? by bay43270 · · Score: 2

    An Exabyte might be more useful for recording all video from the 23 cameras in your small store. You will want to keep high resolution copies of all of the video for each camera for years. This way a cheap e-machine (300Ghz AMD Superion) can analyze changes in customer blood pressure, eye contact and body language as they look through your merchandise. This data can be used for future direct marketing product customization and of course for resale to other institutions.

  74. Transfer speed SUX by mattr · · Score: 2

    Okay. A terabyte disk, right on schedule.

    Maybe it's fast enough to serve a few channels of TV simultaneously, but it takes what, an hour and a half just to make a copy? Doesn't sound like something you are going to be able to stamp out for 10 cents each.

  75. Re:point? by Quixadhal · · Score: 2

    "No one needs a terabyte disk..."

    Yeah, you say that now, wait until Windows FP (Fat Porker) edition is released, THEN you'll wish you had that terabyte disk for your swap file!

  76. Re:point? by ajs · · Score: 2

    As mentioned in a previous post, can we add this to the list of "handy quotes that were never said", right up there with Al Gore "inventing the internet"?

    Al Gore never said he invented the Internet. He DID however, claim responsibility for it, which is partially true. He was one of the senators who lobbied for the funding that DARPA needed for many projects which included the creation of a research network (ARPANet) which would eventually evolve into the Internet.

    What upset me about the statement was the fact that he was tacitly taking credit for the foresight to fund the creation of the Internet, when he almost certainly had no clue what rammifications ARPANet would have.

  77. Re:"check out `All Tommorrow's Parties'" by tlambert · · Score: 2

    I've already read all of William Gibson's writing that has ever been published. 8-).

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  78. Peta! Peta! by fm6 · · Score: 2
    Now, if they were talking about a petabyte, you might have a point.
    Well maybe. Isn't that about the maximum size of an NTFS partition? Maybe I'm thinking of an exabyte.

    I'm reminded of my boyhood back in the cybernetic Jurassic. We thought it was a big thing when the university mainframe went from 512K to 1 meg RAM. An expensive proposition, since this model, like most computers of the time, didn't use IC RAM. It used clay-ferrite "cores" (hence "core memory"), with all the logic wiring hand-weaved. The punchline: it took the MIS people precisely a week to write a COBOL program that wouldn't fit in that humungous address space!

    The moral being: people use the resources available. That's what they "need".